Posted on Mar 15, 2015
Do you think the "veteran" was justified with his argument or did he go overboard?
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So it appears that the Facebook link has either been taken down or it's broken. Here's the story from The Advocate:
http://theadvocate.com/news/11856098-123/veteran-raises-flap-over-us
So it appears that the Facebook link has either been taken down or it's broken. Here's the story from The Advocate:
http://theadvocate.com/news/11856098-123/veteran-raises-flap-over-us
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We are guilty of trying to force our military ethos on the civilian population. We the Military serve the citizens.
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SGT Edward Greenslit
There is no teeth in the flag code, people can follow it or not follow it. The code is more of a guide...unfortunately
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SFC George Gutzmer
MSGT George Dealing with folks in the public who do not know and understand what the Flag means to the Military of this country is hard to put into words. 23 Years in and I tear up over all sorts of ms-understandings of flag codes. Being on a Veterans Commission for the Governor of Utah Our group approached the state with a outline of military ranks and terms, and issues that get military/veterans upset. So we taught them what all of that means by designing and printing a manual and presenting them with it. Also it was requested to develop a notification system for businesses within the state, not just government agencies. Our Governor is very conscious of military/veteran issues, and so reaching out across the aisle has worked for us. I think all would be well served to try the same methods. Contact Your state Government and see if they have a Veterans/military advisory council, and if not suggest that one be formed and ask to be assigned to it .
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The Walker, LA McDonald's is no less patriotic that thousands of other businesses. If a veteran wants to have a PERSONAL policy to not frequent business that do not lower the flag with every military death, so be it. But we -- collectively -- need to quit being so sensitive and so confrontational with civilians.
I feel terrible for the employees. LA is a great state; plenty of supporters of those who serve and who have served.
Any loss of military life is tragic -- all loss of life is bad for someone -- but we don't have to circle the wagons or send in the cavalry just because one veteran thinks they are being "disrespected". Aren't we better than this?
I feel terrible for the employees. LA is a great state; plenty of supporters of those who serve and who have served.
Any loss of military life is tragic -- all loss of life is bad for someone -- but we don't have to circle the wagons or send in the cavalry just because one veteran thinks they are being "disrespected". Aren't we better than this?
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Maj (Join to see)
I don't think anyone disagrees that lowering the flag was the best outcome. Realistically unless we are going to schedule a rally to have 100 vets shop at an establishment that offers a military discount, it's disingenuous to schedule a protest. There are plenty of more creative and effective positive ways to influence change.
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As a junior enlisted it appeals to soldiers to comply with regulations more often than not.
Part of this appears to be observing, and respectfully educating those without correct knowledge while simultaneously learning about ourselves fro the respectful interaction.
As a soldier I serve the Constitution with my life, every heartbeat calls for a left step, with a sense of purpose.
That purpose, is certainly not to make my charges (best word I can muster for those I would permanently change station for) feel as if they do no have help amongst their own, help in the citizen that I as an American soldier can render, should I be ordered, called upon, or simply needed.
It makes me feel awesome and a part of the real deal to read that senior officers through NCOS through junior soldiers as myself are backing the play of simple, equitable respect.
Part of this appears to be observing, and respectfully educating those without correct knowledge while simultaneously learning about ourselves fro the respectful interaction.
As a soldier I serve the Constitution with my life, every heartbeat calls for a left step, with a sense of purpose.
That purpose, is certainly not to make my charges (best word I can muster for those I would permanently change station for) feel as if they do no have help amongst their own, help in the citizen that I as an American soldier can render, should I be ordered, called upon, or simply needed.
It makes me feel awesome and a part of the real deal to read that senior officers through NCOS through junior soldiers as myself are backing the play of simple, equitable respect.
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LTC (Join to see)
I have read the posts by SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. , self-identified as the veteran involved. It is still somewhat disappointing. The issue seems to be about lowering the flag, implying if not lowered then this is a sign of disrespect. The flag being flown should be respect enough.
What I fail to understand is the need for this to get pushed on social media, exploiting the McDonald's workers and trying to cast this restaurant in a negative light. What purpose does this serve, other than promoting a web site and potentially furthering the divide between veterans and civilians -- of which a good many in Louisiana are very patriotic!
I hate that you sir SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. have to deal with PTSD as many of us do, and I am thankful for your service. But your desire to film, confront, post and spread this issue does not seem -- in my opinion -- productive to resolving any of this: the respect to the fallen, the respect to the flag and what it represents, respect for your service and even helping you deal with your current issues.
We as a community are here to support you and all others that feel conflicted when issues like this arise, but maybe you might consider being less promotional with some of these causes and more appreciative of signs of support (like a company flying a flag) as opposed to critical.
I wish you the best.
What I fail to understand is the need for this to get pushed on social media, exploiting the McDonald's workers and trying to cast this restaurant in a negative light. What purpose does this serve, other than promoting a web site and potentially furthering the divide between veterans and civilians -- of which a good many in Louisiana are very patriotic!
I hate that you sir SSG Douglas M. Ducote Sr. have to deal with PTSD as many of us do, and I am thankful for your service. But your desire to film, confront, post and spread this issue does not seem -- in my opinion -- productive to resolving any of this: the respect to the fallen, the respect to the flag and what it represents, respect for your service and even helping you deal with your current issues.
We as a community are here to support you and all others that feel conflicted when issues like this arise, but maybe you might consider being less promotional with some of these causes and more appreciative of signs of support (like a company flying a flag) as opposed to critical.
I wish you the best.
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I think when he got angry (He who gets angry first, loses.) and went to the restaurant, he made it about himself regardless of his stated intent. Had he stifled his personal pride, none of the confrontation would have happened. Being hung up on could easily, and more appropriately, have been addressed with the Baton Rouge office.
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