Posted on Jan 1, 2014
Do you think we should get rid of the Change of Rater NCOER?
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Far too often you will see someone get 2 or more NCOERs in a twelve month period merely because the rater changed not the rated position. An a leader it is nearly impossible to write a quantifiable NCOER for someone you have only rated 90 days when there was nothing significant going on. Take for example the holidays when it's DONSA after DONSA, half days, leaves, no real training etc....
The NCOER should be for the rated soldier and rated position. If they change the position then obviously they are going to need a rating for that job. However if they are going from let's say one squad leader slot to another they are still a squad leader. A letter of continuity from one rater to another should suffice. This will alleviate a pile of menial reports with blatantly exaggerated bullets.
We know all NCOs think they are a 1/1 Among the best but it nearly impossible to report that unless of course they are surrounded by incompetence. A full year gives them more of n opportunity to prove and earn that rating.
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This is an interesting topic. I will say that last year's Master Sergeant AAR from the board stated that a bunch of short COR NCOERs were looked upon unfavorably by the board, but I don't see how you can avoid it sometimes.
You can't help as an NCO if your rater changes out.
I was considered a "fixer upper" and sent to various platoons to fix poor leadership and get them organized. So I had several change of raters which I wonder if it's going to hurt me on this board. I took over one platoon. Then I merged that platoon with another that was having issues so I effectively had two platoons. So that's two change of raters. Then I moved back to my HUMINT platoon to do my job for a year, but three months of that I was gone at ASOC. Then I had another COR to become the 1SG. Then in the middle of my rating period my commander changed out.
Ugh.
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I concur with SSG Beutler's comment that a COR should be more than 180 days. I have had my fair share of COR NCOERs and always thought it would hurt me but to answer SFC Jones' point the answer is simply no. The board will look favorably on you for performing in a lot of different duty positions as long as your evaluations are quantifiable, particularly your 1SG NCOERs. The board always looks favorably on selectees for previous performance in the next higher grade even more so if they attain solid results.
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First Sergeant, I'd love to send some of the senior NCOs on their board some of my evaluations to get an idea of what you guys think in terms of my future chances...
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Yes and no. Let's replace everything under 180 days rated time with a memo of continuity (as suggested in a few HRC briefs about the proposed new NCOER).
Yes, there are too many 90 day NCOERs because an annual is due and the rating change kept changing every two months. This doesn't make for a good evaluation of actual demonstrated potential and performance.
No, every rater has different requirements. That's why the initial and quarterly counselings are so important. Some raters want their rated NCOs to be PT studs, experts in the SMCT, and lead field exercises. Others want a technical NCO who can write SOPs, get property in line, and still complete an associates degree.
While the standard for excellence is pretty easy to divine (awesome at everything or almost everything) it gets dicey when we're talking about honest evaluations of those who are inbetween by-the-book satisfactory and 1/1 excellence. That is where the subjective evaluation of the rater comes into play big time.
While the standard for excellence is pretty easy to divine (awesome at everything or almost everything) it gets dicey when we're talking about honest evaluations of those who are inbetween by-the-book satisfactory and 1/1 excellence. That is where the subjective evaluation of the rater comes into play big time.
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I avoid a CoR like the plague. It is hard to write a 3 to 6 month NCOER and get a 1/1 or 2/1 and among the best with substantial bullets to back up any excellence ratings. If there is some type of continuity between raters and the NCO didn't change duty positions I will sit all parties down and have them go over the outgoing and incoming. Usually the outgoing will build a really good shell with valid bullets. The incoming will look them over then both will talk about where the rated NCO needs to improve on.
Once it is time for the NCOER to be written I shoot a copy to the old rater and make sure they are good with it before it is signed.
Not the regulation but I think it affords the rated NCO the best opportunity for a solid NCOER.
I saw an NCO that had 4 Change of Rater NCOERs in a 15 month period. It was crazy and I had to have him go a few years past that period so I could get an honest assessment of the NCO.
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