Posted on Apr 16, 2014
1SG Alan Bailey
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SFC Stephen Hester
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No. I knew "Soldiers" who could pull a 300 on the APFT but couldn't find their ass with a GPS. 
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SFC Stephen Hester
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Ha! Are the coordinates backwards when the batteries are reversed? i put them in my PLGR upside down and it told me I was in Argentina...
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SGT Toby Woodrich
SGT Toby Woodrich
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I think by re asking the question, ( Does having a lower than 300 apft score make you a bad leader?) We can see the answer is no at least I do. So what this tells us is that a 300 may not make one a better leader but it does make a leader a better leader and certainly more looked up too.
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SMSgt Kevin Bishop
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To give those soldiers a little credit, with a high APFT score, there is a good chance that their ass is always on the move making it a bit harder to find with a GPS. :) (not much more credit mind you but, a tiny bit)
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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That's a pretty good way of putting it, book smart doesn't always convert to actually being able to do the job.
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CSM Brigade Command Sergeant Major
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The APFT is an individual accomplishment, now if your whole section scored 300s because you motivate the heck out of them, develop a plan, focus on each individual weakness, now that's leadership. I rather have a guy who scores 240 and works hard, technically competent and presents themselves as a well rounded Soldier opposed to the guy who scores 300 on his APFT and is a POS.
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SFC Stephen Hester
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SGT Military Police
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The sad thing is when you see outstanding leaders who are overlooked because they don't have the PT score of a self-centered, arrogant player in the unit who is all about image. I had a squad leader overseas who scored high on PT but his primary mission was to cushion his service record in a non-combat area and fucked over everyone in his squad to do so. The real question regarding leadership is this. Are you a leader, or a pay grade?
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SGT Water Treatment Nco
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SFC (Join to see) - How does your APFT score make you a good leader? So, in your world- at what point does your score make you a BAD leader? What is the "cut-off" score which determines if you are a worthy leader or not?
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SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder
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300pt paperweights
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<p>MSG Bailey</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>To me if you are a natural athlete and you get 300's with no effort, it does not impress me at all</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In the other hand, if you score a 210 for example, you set a&nbsp;300 as a goal&nbsp;and work your way up to a it, that will tell me a lot about the person and their character, discipline, dedication etc</p>
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SPC Launcher Crewmember
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I would love to say no, but the Air Defense Artillery Branch would disagree. Unless you get a 260 or higher your not allowed to go to the promotion board according to every unit I've been in. I don't know how that's working out though because in every unit I've been in I've also had at least one CSM relieved and/or a 1SG and the last unit our LTC was kicked out the country we were protecting. All were 300 PT studs.
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SPC Recovery Vehicle Operator
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What ever happened to taking care of one another and training the subordinates to replace the next level/rank in their absence? My very first unit taught me to do this and it has helped me prepare for all these "mandatory" meetings and training for my direct leadership. I can fully run my section as a Recovery Specialist without any of my leaders present.
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SGT(P) Team Leader
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I have seen both sides of this. Just because you can score 300 on your PT test doesn't make you a good leader. I have had several leaders that were highly motivated when it came to PT, but dirt bags when it came to work. Constantly berated me because I couldn't score over 250, even after having knee surgery. I have Bachelors Degree, and I am almost done with my MBA, these guys ask ME to proof read their memo's and make sure they don't sound like retards in their correspondence. --SGT P
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SPC Jacob Hostetler
SPC Jacob Hostetler
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Neither, APFT is personal test, if one can not pass the test with the min score of 60% or at least 50%, with improvement heading in the right direction. The Soldier can stay in, on the note, and the soldier has to leave; let them leave with either an honorable or ELS discharge. Which all depends on their time in grade. Okay off topic, to answer the question, they men that can pass an APFT with 300 or better are bad ass infantrymen, but put soldiers in any other MOS... bad things happen. This is just a fraction of fraction to % of soldiers that score 35 on ASVAB. Please keep in mind; this is just insert of my thoughts.
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