Does a change of command inventory negate current subhand receipts (DA 2062) once current CDR transfers over inventory to incoming CDR?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:07:20 -0400

Assuming everything is accounted, specifically for TPE in a deployed setting. Thanks

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2020 8:13 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:13:52 -0400

Confirm with your S4, Sir. But, from my experience down in Honduras....all of my SHRs became null and void once the new Commander signed for and took receipt of all equipment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2020 8:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:15:35 -0400

Regulation states that 2062s are as good as long as the person who signed it out still has possession of it. Now for 2062s for change of command I usually will have my equipment signed out, returned to me in which I can show to gaining commander and the update the 2062. If you are taking command I recommend having eyes on it also look to see when the last time your supply Sgt has updated the 2062 and reverify the location of such said equipment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2020 8:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:22:28 -0400

A new 2062 will need to be issued because the new commander is now signed for everything. The sub-hand receipt holder will need to 2062 the specific stuff to the holder following the inventories

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Aug 13 at 2020 8:25 PM

CW4 Guy Butler — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:25:52 -0400

No. As long as they’re current, they remain good.

First, there is no such animal as a “Change of Command” inventory. It’s now a Change if Primary Hand Receipt Holder inventory.

Second, sub hand receipts are good for six months from the first change document posted. Ideally, the sub hand receipts will all be updated and resigned (clean copies) just prior to the change of PHRH inventory. This tends to make the PHRH inventory much easier to complete (and, in the Reserves, eliminates the need to physically inventory that property).

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 13 at 2020 8:56 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:56:29 -0400

It has been my experience that right as the new commander signs, the Sub Hand Reciept holders sign their new sub hand receipt in PBUSE, now GCSS-A, has this all configured so no equipment is left on the Commander's Hand receipt, except may be his desk. This reflects the CoC inventory results and their may be some MFR describing the open FLIPLs to resolve shortages or other elements of mitigation and relief at the time the PHR changed hands.

Ways to ensure you are properly accounting for property and executing your responsibility and accountability:
- everything is subhand reciepted away from you. Encourage the hand receipt holders to HR to the user level.
- ensure that there is a system to secure the property, including key control
- do your 10% inventories, on the training calendar, flesh to metal. Don't delegate it.
- conduct field recovery and identify losses and shortages. Seek relief/mitigation
- if there are items you were told "don't order those" obtain a MFR stating this. This is especially helpful when SCs change.
- ensure your SI inventories are done and make a DA6 for it to ensure the same disinterested parties don't do it back to back.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2020 7:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:32:26 -0400

No, it does not but they should be updated with current date after CDR signs property book.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2020 9:58 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Aug 2020 21:58:07 -0400

Sir, negative. A CDR should have their sub hand receipt holders update them, but the last thing the incoming commander says during the ceremony "All policies remain in effect." Soldiers are hand receipting government equipment from the commander, who is interchangeable, not from CPT Schmedlap, who is replaceable.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2020 6:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:36:46 -0400

DA PAM 710-2-1 Ch. 9-3(b) “Change of hand receipt holder inventory”

“Make sure all hand or subhand receipts and annexes with change documents are updated.”

The answer is yes, sir. Immediately following a Change of Primary Hand Receipt Holder Inventory (Change of Command/CORO), the subhand receipts need to be updated. There’s also a point in DA PAM 710-2-1 Ch. 9 to notify subhand receipts holders of when and how a Change of Primary Hand Receipt Holder Inventory is conducted.