Does anyone other than myself disagree with Kasich and his view on Illegal aliens?

Sgt Kelli Mays — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:47:54 -0500

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/10/live-fourth-republican-presidential-debate-11-10-2015
I have been trying real hard to stay out of POLITICS....especially here on RP...but after watching the GOP Debate last night I wanted to slap Kasich on the back of his head. He is no better than all of the democrats and the Forced illegal immigration policy.

Kasich said we should just leave them be. That we should not round them up and send them back. Those ILLEGAL Immigrants already here should just be slapped with a FINE and let them stay. That they are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

Please tell me...if you are illegally here, how could you possibly be law abiding?

Back when REAGAN was president....when we only had 3 million illegals here as opposed to the ?? 20 million now...the same thing was proposed....They let all of the or a lot of the illegals stay and try to do the right thing and get legal and decided that they would not continue to let illegals into the country...that they would increase border patrols and enforce the laws better.

Well Guess what? After they let them stay, the borders were not more protected, the patrols were not stepped up and immigration laws were NOT enforced and now here we are with a gazillion more living here and Kasich and Obama and the Democrats want to just let this go and sweep it under the carpet.

My mother, three of her sisters, my great grandparents on my fathers side and many other relatives were immigrants...BUT! They did it the right way. I feel and believe everyone should do it the right way. We should enforce the laws. PERIOD!

Yeah, I don't think so.

Ok, I've said my two cents.
What do you say?

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Response by SSgt Terry P. made Nov 11 at 2015 1:53 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:53:53 -0500

Sgt Kelli Mays Like you ,i am not into politics.In this situation,i do agree with your comment.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2015 1:58 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 13:58:07 -0500

Out of the 11+ million here illegally, I would say the vast majority are here on good intentions (for work). I'm not sure of the percentage of that 11+ million belong to the youth category - but I'm sure most of them aren't exactly committing felonies.
Sure, they are breaking the law by being here illegally - but again, I would go on a limb and say that's probably the only major crime that they are committing. We all know there are criminals within that 11+ million - and LEO's in areas of high illegal populations should focus on weeding them out.

I'm in no way defending Kasich, as I'm not one of his supporters - but I do believe it's ridiculous to think our federal government could force 11+ million people to leave the country. It's political suicide by whatever party would agree to do so imo. That being said, you do have to develop some kind of tracking mechanism to identify the illegals, and provide some kind of "roadmap" to citizenship. If you do that, I would like to believe most of the illegals would make an effort to become registered in whatever tracking database it is - receive their work visas, and continue their lives. The ones who don't register, are probably the ones we really need to be concerned about and if caught - provide fair judicial process and deport as necessary. But deporting 11+ million people, not going to happen.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 11 at 2015 2:00 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:00:47 -0500

Sgt Kelli Mays I agree with your thought process, however, a number of our lawmakers do not, and unfortunately, the number of illegal votes for the party who can make illegals "legal" are far more important that the thoughts and opinions of the American people or the process to becoming American...
The bottom line is, as it pertains to immigration, illegal is illegal, regardless of why, and the current laws need to be enforced, not circumvented for an extra number of votes... After all, the laws were placed there for a reason...

Response by LTC John Shaw made Nov 11 at 2015 2:13 PM

LTC John Shaw — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:06 -0500

Sgt Kelli Mays I live in the Central Ohio area and I don't understand how Kasich went off the rails on this one. I agree that the lack of enforcement is what got us to this point. We are a nation of laws and we need to start enforcing them.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 11 at 2015 2:17 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:17:55 -0500

Sgt Kelli Mays, well said.

Response by MSgt Darren VanDerwilt made Nov 11 at 2015 2:19 PM

MSgt Darren VanDerwilt — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:19:20 -0500

I feel it's neccesary to secure our borders, prevent and discourage illegals from entering, find those that are here illegally and deport them, and fix our imigration proccess.

My mother came to this country from the U.K. with a green card. She had to get it updated every two years for the better part of 40 years. After congress changed the rules for recieving Social Security she decided to become a naturalized citizen. That proccess took nearly five years! Meanwhile, certain political hopefuls in Southern California, after changing their names to sound Hispanic, and with the help of bureaucratic political allies, expidited potential voters through the proccess. That individual won a congressional seat. Later, it was determined that many of those that were quickly naturalized had disqualifying circumstances.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 11 at 2015 2:26 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:26:28 -0500

SOS, there is no one with a bit of sense and an understanding of what it would take to send millions home that are here illegally. That is the boogey man set up by the "open borders" crowd. What needs to happen is enforce existing laws regarding the employment of illegals (from any where, including overstays). Also if that is not practical in the short term, determine how much it costs the local communities that pick up the freight for these illegals, and fine/tax them for their share of the cost. If we continue holding out a gold ring with no limitations, everyone around the globe will be here to catch it. When we have a nation with nearly 40% of the available population unemployed/underemployed, there is no reason to bring in more workers. IF, it is necessary, only through a worker temporary worker's VISA, with the provisions to track anyone using such a VISA. For those of you that are interested, read the TPP Deal/Treaty, chapters 10 & 12 to see how our politicians are selling us out again.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Nov 11 at 2015 2:31 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:31:12 -0500

What are the other "solutions"? I've heard it from both sides. Deport them , keep them with caveats. Bottom lime is we cannot deport all of them, it's not possible. If we used profiling tactics, we could end up getting the wrong people along with the right ones. It would become a loose loose situation riddled with lawsuits that would stop the legal system in it's entirety. Think of the sheer caseloads to work all of them. And are we going to hold businesses who hire these illegals accountable? It's much cheaper to pay them .50 on a dollar (or less) under the table, than to actually hire an American to do the same work. And if we go after the businesses are we going to get caught in our feelings.."ohh mom and pop store couldn't afford to get naturalized citizens due to taxes, Obamacare, legal requirements", so to stay afloat they took what was there and paid them pennies on the dollar under the table? There's no clear cut solution to this, and no one's going to go out too far on a limb and hang themselves off it making a policy they know they cannot enforce.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 11 at 2015 2:33 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:33:15 -0500

If Kasich and Bush had any conservative followers before the debate, they are gone now, for this reason and many others that are anathema to us.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Nov 11 at 2015 2:40 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:40:34 -0500

Republicans want cheap labor, democrats want votes. These asshat politicians will surely cut their nose off to spite their faces. Meanwhile all that was sacred to Americans will be lost as the banana republic replaces a modern industrial nation. The only bright side is that we won't live forever and have to deal with it for all etenity

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Nov 11 at 2015 3:02 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:02:42 -0500

Sgt Kelli Mays I also am a child of legal immigrants. My parents came from England to this country with me in my mother's womb. I had dual citizenship until became a citizen of the USA when I enlisted in the US Army 41 years ago today!
I certainly believe we should enforce the laws that are already on the books. However there are so many Federal statues that there is no way to enforce them all [some statutes contradict each other in specific instances].
Getting a POTUS and a Congress which will actually govern effectively and efficiently may seem like an impossible dream. However, I think we incrementally move towards that goal if enough voters are educated on the issues and vote with wisdom. I hope the courts will side with the southwestern states and permit those states to protect the borders and round up offenders. I hope that DHS will be directed to help in the permanent deportation of serious offenders who are also illegal immigrants.
It would be great if we could discourage potential illegal immigrants from coming to this nation. One of teh best ways would be if illegal immigrants were denied basic goods and services including education, drivers licenses, and non-emergency medical treatment.
Rounding up all illegals makes no sense because they are distributed all over this nation. I believe an iterative approach needs to be developed in conjunction with the embassies of the nations where these people come from. In addition to discouraging illegal immigration we should use carrot and stick approaches to the nations with embassies in this nation to help them dry up the flow - part of this would be longer-term improvement in those nations and short term reduction of benefits from this nation until they dry up the flow of illegals and repatriate many of the them - starting with worst offenders.
In the short term we need to ensure that serious criminal offenders released in this nation from Cuba in the 1990's through current offenders who have been deported at least once are never allowed to enter this country. Nations which allow them to get back to this nation after being deported need to pressured or penalized depending on their role in illegal immigration.
I concur with MSgt Curtis Ellis LTC John Shaw and SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Nov 11 at 2015 3:21 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:21:12 -0500

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-eisenhower-dealt-with-americas-first-illegal-crisis

How Eisenhower Dealt With America’s First Illegal Crisis

This is not the first time the US has dealt with an illegal immigration problem. Only last time it was dealt with in a decidedly swifter and sterner manner

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 11 at 2015 3:36 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:36:39 -0500

Illegal is illegal and if you break the law to come here you must be sent back to your country...

Response by PO1 John Miller made Nov 12 at 2015 12:50 AM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:50:42 -0500

The answer is so simple. The left and right won't like it, but it will work. Vote out ALL Democrats AND Republicans and put a Libertarian in office. Their border/immigration plan will work.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Nov 12 at 2015 1:00 AM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 01:00:13 -0500

I think that he should be deported too.

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Nov 13 at 2015 12:48 AM

Cpl James Waycasie — Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:48:46 -0500

I agree with you 100%