Does attending a school like Ranger school count as non-rated time?

2017-05-09T21:48:55-04:00

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made May 9 at 2017 10:03 PM

2017-05-09T22:03:17-04:00

I don't know if things have changed since I retired but your 1059 served as your rating document while you are in school.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 10:15 PM

2017-05-09T22:15:41-04:00

1SG Dennis Hicks is correct. Your 1059 covers that period and can/should be considered and mentioned in your NCOER for that rated period.

Response by SSG Eduardo Ybarra Jr. MS Psyc made May 10 at 2017 2:28 AM

2017-05-10T02:28:09-04:00

Any school whether professional or a specialty school will have non rated time; however, the 1059 that you receive from these schools should be annotated by your rater when conducting your annual evaluation. This will cover that "dead time".

Response by SFC John Hill made May 10 at 2017 3:20 AM

2017-05-10T03:20:30-04:00

I retired before the new rating system went into effect but this is what I found: From Army Regulation 623–3 Evaluation Reporting System and Department of the Army Pamphlet 623–3 Personnel Evaluation Reporting System

3–33. Preparation and submission requirements (2) Nonrated time encompasses periods of time when a rated Soldier cannot be evaluated. These periods include a Wide variety of circumstances when a Soldier is not performing duty in an assigned position under a valid rating chain. Qualifying periods of nonrated time are documented on OERs and NCOERs using nonrated codes and they become part of a Soldier’s rating history (see DA Pam 623–3). Comments on events or accomplishments during periods of nonrated time will not be made on OERs or NCOERs (see paras’s 3–16a and 3–17a).
(3) Gaps in a Soldier’s evaluation history may occur for various reasons. A majority of these gaps are acceptable, while others are unacceptable

Table 3–17
Reason codes for nonrated time for DA Form 2166–9 series NCOER
“S” Student at military or civilian school

School is considered acceptable. I couldn’t find where it specifically states whether or not a DA Form 1059 is submitted as an attachment to the NCOER but it does discuss it as part of the process. Normally the school Commandant is responsible for submission of 1059’s. For senior NCO promotion board consideration the board would already have your records. Not sure about semi-centralized junior NCO’s.

Noncommissioned Officer Evaluation Report Forms and Preparation
3–14. DA Form 1059 Service School Academic Evaluation Report

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2017 6:05 AM

2017-05-10T06:05:29-04:00

I learned something today thanks guys.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2017 8:52 PM

2017-05-10T20:52:51-04:00

Roger, thank you all for the feedback. Ranger school now does not produce a 1059 even though it is a military school. This is the dilemma I am running into, I do not want to have my NCOER get pushed up for a full 12 month annual when I was in school for 91 days. It does make sense though to put in the school code and suck up the fact that for those three months I was not being rated.

Response by SSG Dale London made May 11 at 2017 12:24 AM

2017-05-11T00:24:42-04:00

Unless the army has changed since I left, when you leave an army school you are given an academic evaluation report which effectively replaces your NCOER for that period. The time is rated.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 11 at 2017 9:14 AM

2017-05-11T09:14:12-04:00

Yes but......
It is "unrated time" by reg, but it is still covered by a 1059..
"(b) School evaluations. The applicable evaluation report forms are DA Form 1059 (for military institutions) or DA Form 1059–1 (for civilian institutions). These evaluations focus exclusively on the Soldier’s performance and accomplishments while attending a school or course.
Note. The time period covered by AERs is counted as nonrated time on OERs and NCOERs covering the same period.

Its is "unrated time" because you are not being evaluated by your rating chain, nor are you performing your assigned and observed duties as normally tasked.
It is understood and "acceptable" unrated time so long as the 1059 shows accomplishment in the service school.

If the 1059 shows the SM "failed to meet course standards" well then thats another story....

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2017 1:34 PM

2017-05-11T13:34:45-04:00

Yes

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2017 3:01 AM

2017-05-12T03:01:45-04:00

Are all schools supposed give you a 1059? The only schools that have given me one were NCOES, everything else just a cert/asi orders

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2017 5:06 PM

2017-05-13T17:06:09-04:00

Could you not just have an extended annual then to bring you back to 12 full rated months?