Does being on or off an installation while on leave with a trimmed and lined beard make a difference?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’m currently on leave and had went in to check my email and ask about updates while PCSing. My 1SG mentioned my beard was out of compliance due to being lined up, when my commander said he’s on leave, 1SG replied “He’s on a military installation”. I checked AR 680-1 and TB Med 287, and found nothing pertaining to leave. I’m not on duty or in uniform. If I’m ignorant I’d really like to educate myself on the subject because for 15 years this is the first I’ve heard that. But I know he KNOWS regsWed, 04 Aug 2021 19:11:37 -0400Does being on or off an installation while on leave with a trimmed and lined beard make a difference?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’m currently on leave and had went in to check my email and ask about updates while PCSing. My 1SG mentioned my beard was out of compliance due to being lined up, when my commander said he’s on leave, 1SG replied “He’s on a military installation”. I checked AR 680-1 and TB Med 287, and found nothing pertaining to leave. I’m not on duty or in uniform. If I’m ignorant I’d really like to educate myself on the subject because for 15 years this is the first I’ve heard that. But I know he KNOWS regsSSG Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 04 Aug 2021 19:11:37 -04002021-08-04T19:11:37-04:00Response by SSG Laurie Mullen made Aug 4 at 2021 7:15 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Double check AR 670-1, it's been a while, but I belive that it address being clean shaven (or within shaving profile compliance) while in an off duty status.SSG Laurie MullenWed, 04 Aug 2021 19:15:05 -04002021-08-04T19:15:05-04:00Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 7:25 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I remember being told shaving still applies on or off duty, leave or no leave, and even to Reservists (I'm sure every reservist is thinking, yea right........ me too but......... I heard it from a General speaking to us as a group and wasn't going to push back on it............ anyway..............) <br /><br />I'm going to say it's one of those things not commonly harped on, but I certainly wouldn't flaunt it walking into the office to check my e-mail.CPT Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 04 Aug 2021 19:25:23 -04002021-08-04T19:25:23-04:00Response by SSG Keith Evans made Aug 4 at 2021 8:01 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>AR 670-1:<br />3-2. Hair and fingernail standards and grooming policies<br /><br />(b) Facial hair. Males will keep their face clean-shaven when in uniform, or in civilian clothes *ON DUTY.* Mustaches are permitted. If worn, males will keep mustaches neatly trimmed, tapered, and tidy. Mustaches will not present a chopped off or bushy appearance, and no portion of the mustache will cover the upper lip line, extend sideways beyond a vertical line drawn upward from the corners of the mouth (see lines C and D of fig 3–1), or extend above a parallel line at the lowest portion of the nose... <br /><br />BUT ALSO<br /><br />3–1. Personal appearance policies<br />a. Soldiers will present a professional image at all times and will continue to set the example in military presence, both on and off duty. Pride in appearance includes Soldiers’ physical fitness and adherence to acceptable weight standards in accordance with AR 600–9.<br /><br />It seems 3-1 could be used to trump 3-2 at the discretion of whomever is senior to the Soldier in question.SSG Keith EvansWed, 04 Aug 2021 20:01:36 -04002021-08-04T20:01:36-04:00Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 8:03 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Grooming standards apply in and out of uniform, on or off post, on leave or on duty.SFC Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 04 Aug 2021 20:03:24 -04002021-08-04T20:03:24-04:00Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Aug 4 at 2021 8:37 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Keep checking regs, I am pretty certain 6-7 years ago they came out with a change we had to be clean shaven even on leave. I thought it was BS and never looked into it, plus I never went in on leave anyplace someone would heckle me about it.MAJ Byron OylerWed, 04 Aug 2021 20:37:23 -04002021-08-04T20:37:23-04:00Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 9:41 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's an old rule they got rid off sometime ago. Might still be a policy in your Division Blue Book though.MSG Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 04 Aug 2021 21:41:20 -04002021-08-04T21:41:20-04:00Response by PO1 David M Burns made Aug 4 at 2021 10:50 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The army talking about uniform and grooming regulations? you got to be shitting me! the Army has sunk so low in the past few years that I am expecting pink berets any day now. turbans, ear rings, corn rows, etc!PO1 David M BurnsWed, 04 Aug 2021 22:50:05 -04002021-08-04T22:50:05-04:00Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Aug 5 at 2021 10:39 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>AR 670 1 is pretty clear on the grooming standards and states "on and off duty". The Marine Corps has similar guidance. I don't think there was anyone who didn't skip a day or two over the weekend at some point or while on leave but if you are on base or in the barracks you are expected to shave. You can't walk around with a beard (especially a lined up one because that shows intent) on base regardless if you are on leave. It's just like hands in pockets. It's one of those things everyone has been guilty of at some point but it's a universally known rule. Going into work without a shave is just asking for static. The exception of course being a no shave chit or profile of some type. You've been in 15 years and didn't know you expected to shave your face?SSgt Christophe MurphyThu, 05 Aug 2021 10:39:23 -04002021-08-05T10:39:23-04:00Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2021 9:01 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well read the reg.SGM Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 05 Aug 2021 21:01:40 -04002021-08-05T21:01:40-04:00Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Aug 6 at 2021 3:08 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO BEARDS!! WERE NOT THE TALIBAN.SFC Randy HellenbrandFri, 06 Aug 2021 03:08:36 -04002021-08-06T03:08:36-04:00Response by PO1 Lyndon Thomas made Aug 6 at 2021 12:20 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I've always been told. If on leave, don't come to base!PO1 Lyndon ThomasFri, 06 Aug 2021 12:20:45 -04002021-08-06T12:20:45-04:00Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Aug 6 at 2021 2:32 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you're on Leave, not shaving isn't a big deal ... UNLESS you go to your unit where you may be told to shave. If you're staying among civilians, like at your HOR (Home of Record), it's no big deal. On base, your command has authority over you whether your on/off duty or on leave.SSG Bill McCoyFri, 06 Aug 2021 14:32:48 -04002021-08-06T14:32:48-04:00Response by SPC Chris Ison made Aug 8 at 2021 2:28 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you are on leave youd do not have to meet hair requiremnts, they are for uniforms only.SPC Chris IsonSun, 08 Aug 2021 14:28:29 -04002021-08-08T14:28:29-04:00Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Aug 8 at 2021 6:40 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No matter what your assignment, leave or otherwise, you always represent the Military in the best possible way.LTC Ken ConnollySun, 08 Aug 2021 18:40:02 -04002021-08-08T18:40:02-04:00Response by PFC Andrew "Tommy" M. made Sep 27 at 2021 3:15 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>' But I know he KNOWS regs" <br />It seems like you already know the answer before you asked it on here, you have known since basic training that you are expected to shave every day as a member of the Army. So if you are on leave and don't want to shave cool, just don't show up at work and not expect to catch some flack for it.PFC Andrew "Tommy" M.Mon, 27 Sep 2021 03:15:41 -04002021-09-27T03:15:41-04:00Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Oct 26 at 2021 9:10 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>"Roger, Top. It won't happen again." That just seems easy as shiite to me. Just call me old school.SSG Sidney GallowayTue, 26 Oct 2021 21:10:29 -04002021-10-26T21:10:29-04:002021-08-04T19:11:37-04:00