Posted on Apr 3, 2015
Does the AD 'look down on' 'hate' 'despise' 'joke about' the RESERVES? ever or in general?
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Does the Active Full Time Force ever:
Look down on the reserves in any way as a half witted attempt to be a REAL SAILOR a REAL SOLDIER a REAL AIR FORCE Service Member?
In my experience 'YES' this does happen.
Why else would R.ADMIRAL 1983 Chief of NAVAL RESERVE in ALL HANDS Service Magazine as the NEW CHIEF of NAVAL RESERVE state this in print?? Part of the settling-in process with
his new job involves Admiral Dunn’s
carrying the word to the active Navy.
He’s intent on correcting certain misconceptions: “Just because an individual wears
the uniform only one weekend a month or during two weeks in the summer and
somebody else wears it all year long, doesn’t mean that the first one is less of a sailor or less of a naval person.”
R Admiral Dunns experience includes He’s had air combat experience during
the Vietnam War-once as commanding
officer of Attack Squadron
146, operating in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Holder of two Silver Star medals, he’s
had command of the USS Mount
Whitney (LCC 20) and the carrier USS
Saratoga (CV 60), besides command of an attack carrier air wing and a carrier
battle group. His service in both the Mediterranean
and the Pacific provided the
building blocks for his present command-
he knows the needs of the active
Navy and he knows the value of a
trained pool of ready manpower. Now
he intends to follow through with programs
his predecessor, Rear Admiral
Frederick F. Palmer, got started as
Chief of Naval Reserve.
Now even with that said let me add a little feedback as I have had time to think about even this quote. A Reservist under obligated enlistment to drill every month is nothing less then a Part Time Service Member. The liberty and time off out of uniform is just longer then the full time Service Member. And indeed 'NO ONE' Wears the uniform "ALL YEAR LONG" even if they are full time, they get time off every day usually at some time, have duty sections, go home hangout with the wife and kids, drive around do their own thing. The full time service member gets more pay for more time in uniform as should be the case. But both are deployable war assets based on a phone call for the entire enlistment obligation. Both are humans. Both are humans with stress hormones that can be released in a seconds notice of a stressor in service regardless of this piece of paper that states RESERVE or ACTIVE DUTY. Both can be assaulted by another service member in 1 minutes time with the uniform on on a weekend drill or during the full time work service members week, sexually or physically, causing PTSD, and be intimidated not to report it due to retaliation.
Infact the Reservist may come from a weaker stance and more fear based stance of retaliation if they are working for and assaulted by full time active duty service member who is training them or in charge of them or ordering them on their quote unquote DRILL WEEKEND that is really just a weekend to do hard labor in Support of Active Duty Gaining Command AUGMENT Ops, then get sent home all sweaty and beat up after 48 hours of this.
A Reservist has more to loose also in reporting and then having the tables turned on them for a less then honorable discharge or Personality Disorder Discharge that will affect the rest of their lives just for part time Service.
Hell it seems even the laws USCODE are written or interpreted in way to call a reservist working "INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!, feeling the same exact stressor and possibly and actually mathmatically worse stressors due atrophy of skill sets and or inexperience compared the Active Duty Full Time Service Member in Combat Operational Weekend Drills that he or she is working with SIDE BY SIDE doing the same exact same thing.
What does Inactive Duty really mean in this situation?
I am still looking for the DOD NAVY AIR FORCE or ARMY medical manual that states that a RESERVIST has a special immune system that can not register in service operational stressors over 48 hours beause side by side an ACTIVE DUTY Service Member because (1) the Reserve Member is a reserve member and does not feel stress until the 49th hour when his orders are complete and sent home (2) Reservist are doing INACTIVE DUTY meaning their immune system is inactive the whole weekend and can not register pain and can not be injured (3) if they claim they are pain then they have to prove with all the burden being on them that their injuries are happening in uniform which is 100 complete opposite of the Active Duty Service member they are working with who has presumption of illness on his side like NO FAULT Workers COMP.
But in the military it seems that RESERVIST are a unique breed of part time humans who are relied on like pillars when called upon but are immune to injuries of even anxiety and stress attacks while performing 48 hours of INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING next to and with a FULL TIME Service Member.
Look down on the reserves in any way as a half witted attempt to be a REAL SAILOR a REAL SOLDIER a REAL AIR FORCE Service Member?
In my experience 'YES' this does happen.
Why else would R.ADMIRAL 1983 Chief of NAVAL RESERVE in ALL HANDS Service Magazine as the NEW CHIEF of NAVAL RESERVE state this in print?? Part of the settling-in process with
his new job involves Admiral Dunn’s
carrying the word to the active Navy.
He’s intent on correcting certain misconceptions: “Just because an individual wears
the uniform only one weekend a month or during two weeks in the summer and
somebody else wears it all year long, doesn’t mean that the first one is less of a sailor or less of a naval person.”
R Admiral Dunns experience includes He’s had air combat experience during
the Vietnam War-once as commanding
officer of Attack Squadron
146, operating in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Holder of two Silver Star medals, he’s
had command of the USS Mount
Whitney (LCC 20) and the carrier USS
Saratoga (CV 60), besides command of an attack carrier air wing and a carrier
battle group. His service in both the Mediterranean
and the Pacific provided the
building blocks for his present command-
he knows the needs of the active
Navy and he knows the value of a
trained pool of ready manpower. Now
he intends to follow through with programs
his predecessor, Rear Admiral
Frederick F. Palmer, got started as
Chief of Naval Reserve.
Now even with that said let me add a little feedback as I have had time to think about even this quote. A Reservist under obligated enlistment to drill every month is nothing less then a Part Time Service Member. The liberty and time off out of uniform is just longer then the full time Service Member. And indeed 'NO ONE' Wears the uniform "ALL YEAR LONG" even if they are full time, they get time off every day usually at some time, have duty sections, go home hangout with the wife and kids, drive around do their own thing. The full time service member gets more pay for more time in uniform as should be the case. But both are deployable war assets based on a phone call for the entire enlistment obligation. Both are humans. Both are humans with stress hormones that can be released in a seconds notice of a stressor in service regardless of this piece of paper that states RESERVE or ACTIVE DUTY. Both can be assaulted by another service member in 1 minutes time with the uniform on on a weekend drill or during the full time work service members week, sexually or physically, causing PTSD, and be intimidated not to report it due to retaliation.
Infact the Reservist may come from a weaker stance and more fear based stance of retaliation if they are working for and assaulted by full time active duty service member who is training them or in charge of them or ordering them on their quote unquote DRILL WEEKEND that is really just a weekend to do hard labor in Support of Active Duty Gaining Command AUGMENT Ops, then get sent home all sweaty and beat up after 48 hours of this.
A Reservist has more to loose also in reporting and then having the tables turned on them for a less then honorable discharge or Personality Disorder Discharge that will affect the rest of their lives just for part time Service.
Hell it seems even the laws USCODE are written or interpreted in way to call a reservist working "INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!, feeling the same exact stressor and possibly and actually mathmatically worse stressors due atrophy of skill sets and or inexperience compared the Active Duty Full Time Service Member in Combat Operational Weekend Drills that he or she is working with SIDE BY SIDE doing the same exact same thing.
What does Inactive Duty really mean in this situation?
I am still looking for the DOD NAVY AIR FORCE or ARMY medical manual that states that a RESERVIST has a special immune system that can not register in service operational stressors over 48 hours beause side by side an ACTIVE DUTY Service Member because (1) the Reserve Member is a reserve member and does not feel stress until the 49th hour when his orders are complete and sent home (2) Reservist are doing INACTIVE DUTY meaning their immune system is inactive the whole weekend and can not register pain and can not be injured (3) if they claim they are pain then they have to prove with all the burden being on them that their injuries are happening in uniform which is 100 complete opposite of the Active Duty Service member they are working with who has presumption of illness on his side like NO FAULT Workers COMP.
But in the military it seems that RESERVIST are a unique breed of part time humans who are relied on like pillars when called upon but are immune to injuries of even anxiety and stress attacks while performing 48 hours of INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING next to and with a FULL TIME Service Member.
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I've joked about it, giving other Marines I know back home shit cause they are reservists but at the end of the day, for me at least, we are all Marines.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
That makes sense. Marines generally I believe are like that. I just know my experience on a Frigate being a less experienced NAVY sailor first due the way the reserves are set up and how much training time that is given. But on the ship the Full Time Guys were made to take weekends they normally would have off on duty section and man the ship and deploy for really no other reason then a RESERVE weekend.
I can see it from their eyes. But I was young 18 and being what is termed a reservist made me a target.
I never drank with them off the ship. They never invited me to do off ship funtion. The brotherhood was not really on display.
I am still trying to figure out how this affected me when I was 19 getting these messages on the ship in the fleet. Just months before I was in bootcamp fitting in and succeeding and no one labeled me a reservist even though I was 1 of 3 young guys who had this enlsitment out of company of 100.
I can see it from their eyes. But I was young 18 and being what is termed a reservist made me a target.
I never drank with them off the ship. They never invited me to do off ship funtion. The brotherhood was not really on display.
I am still trying to figure out how this affected me when I was 19 getting these messages on the ship in the fleet. Just months before I was in bootcamp fitting in and succeeding and no one labeled me a reservist even though I was 1 of 3 young guys who had this enlsitment out of company of 100.
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Sgt Martin V.
I see your point. I don't have the best answer except that people are just snobs.
I encounter the same thing in civilian life with a social club I am a part of. I am a member but I'm not there constantly because I have a young family and I prioritize. So I get left out of some stuff.
Happy Easter!
I encounter the same thing in civilian life with a social club I am a part of. I am a member but I'm not there constantly because I have a young family and I prioritize. So I get left out of some stuff.
Happy Easter!
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