Does the Creed of the Non-Commissioned Officer say “tactically and technically” or “technically and tactically"?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Feb 2018 22:35:24 -0500

Is is “tactically and technically” or “technically and tactically?” I learned it as “tactically and technically.” I googled the creed of the non commissioned officer and it shows both ways! So what’s the REAL answer?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2018 10:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Feb 2018 22:44:04 -0500

"Technically and tactically." If somebody gives you crap, show them this url. lol
https://www.army.mil/values/nco.html

NCO Creed - Army Values

The following is the NCO Creed (Non Commissioned Officer Creed)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 1:36 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 01:36:53 -0500

I’m on staff duty right now. This is the NCO Creed in our BN......it says “tactically and technically” so my BN SGM and BN CDR are wrong!?!

Response by SFC Mike Edwards made Feb 28 at 2018 2:30 AM

SFC Mike Edwards — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 02:30:55 -0500

You are technical before you can become tactical in the military.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 28 at 2018 2:39 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 02:39:10 -0500

TC 7-22.7 (FM 7-22.7) The Noncommissioned Officer Guide states it as "technically and tactically". Having said that, older versions of the creed reversed it. But as of the latest edition, its "technically and tactically".

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 3:55 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 03:55:46 -0500

I've always known it as technically then tactically.

But I have been known to get things wrong. For example, I always thought that later in the Creed it said "Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties, they will not have to accomplish mine, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO. But I think the last part of that sentence is incorrect.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 8:16 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:16:11 -0500

I went to basic training before I went to AIT, OK not really I went to OSUT but most people will understand where I am coming from. This to me means I would have to be tactical before I could be technical. Everyone is a soldier first right? Either way you need to be both, and some good idea fairy with a twisted mind like me is probably the reason for the discrepancy. I'm sure I didn't answer your question, just mudding up the water a little.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 8:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:35:15 -0500

I've seen it done both ways, and one of the stories (and I emphasize story) is that it flips depending on if we're in an active time of war when tactically should take precedence. I've also heard it can be read technically first if you're in a support MOS versus a combat MOS. All taken with a grain of salt. I tend to prefer saying it as technically first.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 28 at 2018 8:52 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:52:58 -0500

SSG Private RallyPoint Member It was originally written “tactically and technically” in 1973, published that way many times to include FM 22-600-20, The NCO Guide, November 1986.
It seems it remained “tactically and technically” until 2001 when the Army contracted out the creation of FM 7-22.7, The Army Noncommissioned Officer Guide. By intent or mistake, it seems the phrase was transposed in the sentence to I will strive to remain technically and tactically proficient.
It has been published that way officially since ...
Mostly......LOL, kind of...not really... BUT it has remained that way in the document that takes precedence.. The Field Manual
This idea was reinforced by an article in the NCO Journal, when they printed a story for the May 2010 edition, which correctly stated that a field manual has precedence over other forms of publication, in example DA pamphlets, DA certificates , Army produced "Guides" and of course anything locally published.

But those are just words from an old retired guy, so trust but verify before using those words in a discussion or correction.
If you research the key points above
Original NCO Creed
FM 22-600-20, The NCO Guide, November 1986.
First publication FM 7-22.7, The Army Noncommissioned Officer Guide
NCO Journal, edition May 2010

You can find the cites needed to support your discussion (and prove I did not just make up the above..lol)

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Feb 28 at 2018 10:09 AM

SFC Stephen Hester — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:09:15 -0500

It has been a long time since I've read the NCO Creed so I don't recall there being different versions. In the end I don't think it really matters. As an NCO you are required to be both.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 1:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:54:34 -0500

Tactically & technically.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 6:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:38:55 -0500

I've always learned it as "tactically and technically."

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 6:53 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:53:23 -0500

It appears that technically it is technically and tactically, but if your CSM thinks it is the other way then you might want to tactfully go with tactically and technically, even if that is not technically correct. Or you could could wait for a tactically good time to tell him tactfully that technically it is technically first, but that may not be a tactically good career move, technically speaking.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Feb 28 at 2018 8:25 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:25:15 -0500

Sorry Army, but I have to ask. You have a NCO creed? Is there one for the AF NCO? but my pay when i went in was $68 per month.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2018 8:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 20:30:36 -0500

If you're a "Proficient Leader", does it really matter what the word is, as long as everyone understands what we're all talking about, and the accomplishment. Salute!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2018 9:17 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Mar 2018 21:17:33 -0500

My NCOER has tactically and technically proficient, dated in 1992 and I always say tactically and technology proficient. So I guess progress changes s lot of things.

Response by SFC Dennis Rodriguez made Mar 2 at 2018 1:16 AM

SFC Dennis Rodriguez — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 01:16:35 -0500

The creed means nothing. No one lives by its words.

Response by SFC Dennis Rodriguez made Mar 2 at 2018 1:17 AM

SFC Dennis Rodriguez — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 01:17:22 -0500

Response by SSgt Robert Prest made Jun 19 at 2018 8:57 PM

SSgt Robert Prest — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:57:16 -0400

Wikipedia: 'Tactically' and 'technically' discrepancy on the original.

This was found on the internet so it must be true.