Does The Marine Corps Still Award Battlefield Commissions??

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:12:58 -0400

Has the Marine Corps eliminated Battlefield Commissions??

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Sep 30 at 2015 5:23 PM

Sgt Tom Cunnally — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:23:27 -0400

I recall several officers who received a battlefield commission in WWII, but none from Korea..In Vietnam two of my comrades from 1st Radio CO received a battlefield commission and they said there were many more who did receive one from 1963 - 1973..I think the number was @ 70..???
But I have not read of any in Iraq or Afghanistan...

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 5:57 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:57:34 -0400

Nips. It's all about having a useless degree now.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2015 10:59 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 22:59:28 -0400

I do not believe so.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2015 11:17 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:17:23 -0400

No, if you're a SNCO you need at least an associates degree, and even then it's not run as a battlefield commission. My battalion commander in 2012 floated the idea for me, that's the answer he got. If I remember correctly it would have to be a "direct commissioning program" and I would have still had to go through OCS.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 7:51 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 07:51:47 -0500

The concept exists, of course, but is not grounded in law (and yes, the US Code gives us the requirements for commissions). Even back in VN, as I understand them, those commissions were temporary, unless the recipient met the other requirements. Yes, Cpl Bube, that "useless" (your words) degree is a federal law requirement.

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 26 at 2016 7:58 AM

Sgt Lonnie Rush — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 07:58:30 -0500

Back when Officers bought their way in it was no big deal. That was actually happening in the Civil War. As of Vietnam the Army has not had any. The Marine Corps had 62 in Vietnam but none since then. It is still an official policy with no end date but it is not used.That kind of thing is just not practical in the modern military.

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 26 at 2016 8:02 AM

Sgt Lonnie Rush — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:02:27 -0500

No not since Vietnam. It is still an official policy but it just doesn't happen anymore.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 8:47 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:47:38 -0500

I recall an instructor at the basic school in 2005 who had received a battlefield commission as a ssgt couple years earlier.

Response by Col David Couvillon made Jan 26 at 2016 10:35 AM

Col David Couvillon — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:35:50 -0500

I enlisted right out of high school in the buddy program with a childhood friend. I had planned on joining the fall after high school, but ran into a recruiter at the post office in June and signed up. I was one of the last people to enlist for a 2 year contract (no Reserve requirement!). While on active duty as a Personnel Clerk, I tried to get into the Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS) and then into the Academy. Got screwed around by some prick Major at HQ MCRD, so I dropped to the IRR and went to LSU. Working my way through school, and taking care of a younger brother and sister, I needed a few extra bucks (and I REALLY missed the Marine Corps), so I joined the local Reserve Unit in Baton Rouge as their Admin Chief. Shortly thereafter, I was promoted to SSgt, I really didn't join the Marines to work a typewriter, so I asked to move to one of the platoons. Became the Plt Sgt for the 81mm Plt and changed my MOS. During this time I decided to become an officer, but the only program in the Reserves was for Warrant as a Postal or NBCD Officer. Being hard-headed and a firm believer in the Marine Corps law that 'anything can be waived' I applied to be a Gunner (03xx) - 3 times! There were no Gunners at all in the Corps at the time; so, of course, my applications were denied. Moving to apply again, I went past the MCO (In the Old Corps we had paper!) in the file book and noticed MCO 1040.xx "Marine Corps Reserve Enlisted Commissioning Program".

There were a number of requirements. Most of which I had already accomplished/met. One of which was to have a panel of 7 officers interview and recommend me for commissioning. So, I put together my package; had the panel interview; and submitted the package up the chain of command to Battalion HQ. The XO calls me and tells me there is no such program in the Reserve to commission officers. I refer him to the MCO and I get an, "Oh, SxxT!" After an interview by the 3/23 BnCO, I get his recommendation and the package is forwarded to 23d Marines; then to 4th MARDIV; then HQMC (no MARFORRES at that time), at all stops I had the same the little dance about 'you can't do this'; "well, refer to MCO 1040.xx!" The Adjutant at HQMC had a little twist, "SSgt, that Order was for the Korean War and as you know all MCOs have a self-cancellation date - no such program exists any longer!" (Refer back to the top of this story and you'll notice that I had been a 'Remington Raider', so I knew my way around MCOs and PUBS). I recommended the G-1 relook at the order - there was no cancellation date on MCO 1040.xx. It was still in effect! He was a bit stunned and said he'd call me back.

About 3 weeks later I get a call from some Colonel at HQMC who says, "SSgt, I have a package for a Marine Corps Officer's Commission here on the Commandant's desk and he want's to know what the hell is going on?" I explain everything, much the same as written here. The Colonel acknowledges that's it's a hell of a story and asks if I could hang on a few minutes. About 15 minutes later he comes back on the line, "Well, I told the Commandant your story and he said, 'If he's got balls enough to apply, I've got balls enough to sign it!'" And that's how I got a direct commission in the Marine Corps! (Never went to OCS, PLC, or The Basic School!). It was, then, just a matter of hanging on long enough to pin on the ole chicken wings!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2016 4:20 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:20:50 -0500

Yes, they have effectively been eliminated, as there is no requirement to continue the practice. This was used within wartime when there were officers dying left and right and required someone to take responsibility for the accomplishment of the assigned mission when there was no officer available to do so. Unless extreme circumstances arise requiring officers to be selected from the ranks due to attrition in war, this will likely not take place anytime in the near future.

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made Jan 26 at 2016 10:14 PM

LtCol Dennis Ivan — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:14:14 -0500

Battlefield commissions are a product of losses. We havent absorbed the number of losses that would require them. If the USMC (and US Army) were to enter into another major war like WW2, there has been no change to policy prohibiting them. Remember that the WW2 battlefield commissions were almost always nullified at the end of the war.