Posted on Feb 17, 2020
During the draft period, what happened to conscripted members who could not make it past the initial training?
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In an all-volunteer military, there are a certain amount of recruits who just do not make it through basic or the job-specific (AFSC, MOS, whatever the Navy and USMC calls it) training. They are discharged for failure to adapt or to meet standards.
What would have happened to these conscripted members who were unable to meet the minimal standards? Were they just pushed through the system after the training was "presented" to them without having to prove they could actually do the job? Would they have been honorably discharged?
What would have happened to these conscripted members who were unable to meet the minimal standards? Were they just pushed through the system after the training was "presented" to them without having to prove they could actually do the job? Would they have been honorably discharged?
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I went through BCT in 1971 toward the end of the active draft so there was still plenty of draftees still being brought in. There are always people who never developed any self discipline and had a hard time adapting. I thought I was in Boy Scout camp , I got to sleep and eat regular, as I worked 2 strenuous jobs before enlisting and my dad was as an accomplished disciplinarian as the DI’s were so I adapted pretty readily. But the the guys who couldn’t be brought around in a regular unit were first taken out and put in specialized remedial platoons, where the training and discipline were very intense 24-7. There were some good soldiers that came out of those platoons. If the were so bad that they failed in that environment they were given a general discharge as being unfit for military service. While not a dishonorable discharge it didn’t come with the benefits of a regular honorable discharge. I believe that our society has been way too gentle allowing us to believe that we shouldn’t encourage the toughness that is really needed to be a responsible adult.
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Think what you want, but I was there. In 1966 I was 20 years old and had not been drafted. I was classified 1Y marginally fit for service in case of a National Emergency. I was overweight, had stomach ulcers and bleeding hemorrhoids. That was the results from my first physical at the draft board at 17 years of age. Summer of 66 they recalled me and said that ALL 1Y's were being reclassified, because President Johnson declared war and that was a national emergency!
In the reception center we had one man who was 1Y because of a heart murmur. They said no big deal your drafted. Two days in we were double timed to the mess hall, this man fell down and was taken to the medics. He had a heart attack. I hope he got a medical discharge. I recognized a lot of guys I knew that had not been drafted when they were young, because they were in Jail. I guess juvy records were sealed at 18 so it was now ok to draft them.
I guess I must have been one of those morons, because once I was in I volunteered for Vietnam Combat duty. Myself and 30 other morons who had done the same were sent to Fort Riley Kansas. The 9th infantry division was training there to go to Vietnam as a Division. We had men in basic who did not even know their Right side from their Left side. In my company we had many men who had trouble with the minimum required physical tests. We were regrouped and tested again so we could graduate Basic. The NCO's in charge were told by the Captain that we would be given passing grades.
We had 2 men that went AWOL and as far as I know wound up in Federal prison. I noticed at graduation that all those with high physical scores were sent to infantry training. While myself and others who took the second test were assigned to support outfits like Artillery.
Thinking that if someone was mentally or physically unfit for a job and would get an Honorable discharge is laughable.
In 1967 we went to Vietnam, I was in commo, wireman and radio. I will say this some of the bravest and most courageous men I knew had trouble writing their own name. They were also at maybe a second grade reading level. However these men that I knew personally had won several Silver and Bronze stars, so I guess you don't have to be a genius to be a hero. Sadly some of those names are engraved in that sad wall in Washington D.C.
In the reception center we had one man who was 1Y because of a heart murmur. They said no big deal your drafted. Two days in we were double timed to the mess hall, this man fell down and was taken to the medics. He had a heart attack. I hope he got a medical discharge. I recognized a lot of guys I knew that had not been drafted when they were young, because they were in Jail. I guess juvy records were sealed at 18 so it was now ok to draft them.
I guess I must have been one of those morons, because once I was in I volunteered for Vietnam Combat duty. Myself and 30 other morons who had done the same were sent to Fort Riley Kansas. The 9th infantry division was training there to go to Vietnam as a Division. We had men in basic who did not even know their Right side from their Left side. In my company we had many men who had trouble with the minimum required physical tests. We were regrouped and tested again so we could graduate Basic. The NCO's in charge were told by the Captain that we would be given passing grades.
We had 2 men that went AWOL and as far as I know wound up in Federal prison. I noticed at graduation that all those with high physical scores were sent to infantry training. While myself and others who took the second test were assigned to support outfits like Artillery.
Thinking that if someone was mentally or physically unfit for a job and would get an Honorable discharge is laughable.
In 1967 we went to Vietnam, I was in commo, wireman and radio. I will say this some of the bravest and most courageous men I knew had trouble writing their own name. They were also at maybe a second grade reading level. However these men that I knew personally had won several Silver and Bronze stars, so I guess you don't have to be a genius to be a hero. Sadly some of those names are engraved in that sad wall in Washington D.C.
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
Always remember the "Mai Lai Massacre" because it could happen here again just like Kent State University where UNARMED Americans were legally protesting. Tramp is going to use the "Insurrection Act" of our Constitution to order the US Army to Kill American Protestors as a "REBELLION". If that happens I will be in that protest and let's see if todays Soldiers will kill American War Veterans..........Prove me wrong.
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I enlisted in July 1966. In my BCT unit we had one person who was absolutely a mental case, who honestly couldn't tie his boot laces, or dress properly, and no he wasn't putting this on. We had another guy who couldn't red or write, add or subtract. Quit school at a very young age..
It appeared they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. After the cycle completed, they did discharge the mentally incompetent guy, but the guy with no education went on to be a grunt. The strange thing about all of this was that, about 75-80% of our BCT group were OCS candidates!
It appeared they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. After the cycle completed, they did discharge the mentally incompetent guy, but the guy with no education went on to be a grunt. The strange thing about all of this was that, about 75-80% of our BCT group were OCS candidates!
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Recycling was the norm. That could prove a strong motivator to get out of basic. More than a few acted mentally I’ll and unless they were obvious fakes they could get out as unfit, with a general discharge.
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Seriously? We, who were drafted in 1965, were mainly highly patriotic, motivated and adapted to the military. We were just out of high school and in fairly good shape. As soon as we arrived at Ft. Lewis, WA, we were told "you're in the 4th ID and are going to Vietnam". It was train and retain. Instead of DI's, we had cadre that mostly had already been to Vietnam. They motivated us to take our training seriously and provided great leadership. We served with honor and fought hard.
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Good afternoon @MAJ Vance Fleming. Excellent post. Thank you for sharing this Sir. :->
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Conscripted is absolutely the wrong term
They where drafted into the military
Where conscripts will serve their time in various positions in government organization
So as a public affairs officer you need to consider that
Most ineligible or unable to make it through basic training where medical out or less than honorable depending on the situation
They where drafted into the military
Where conscripts will serve their time in various positions in government organization
So as a public affairs officer you need to consider that
Most ineligible or unable to make it through basic training where medical out or less than honorable depending on the situation
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I was RA in 1969. During the medical that was given prior to being sworn in. The majority of men going thru the medical stations were drafted. One fellow had a STD so everyone had him pee in their cup. Hearing test after the tone they either did nothing or pressed the button. Needless say everyone was medically cleared and sworn in! Nobody failed!!
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