EO Complaint / Urban Myth?

SFC Laura Whitehead — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 02:38:31 -0400

Does anyone know of an EO complaint that started out as an on the SPOT Correction for appearance / or any other reason not listed? I hear male soldiers use the excuse they don't want to correct female warriors due to "EO; I don't work with females...", and how they will get in BIG trouble if they even look at a female warrior the wrong way. Has anyone really been written up or is this an Urban Myth?

Response by SSgt Gregory Guina made Jun 1 at 2014 2:42 AM

SSgt Gregory Guina — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 02:42:00 -0400

While I cannot say that it is an urban myth I cannot say that it hasn't heppened. I have never heard of something like this happening but I have heard plenty of Marines (especially in combat arms that donb't work with females) say this before.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2014 12:04 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:04:54 -0400

I personally went after an incompetent SGT who was female to bar to reenlist her and she filed not one but two EO complaints against me. Both were unfounded and then dismissed. But there was a history of this SGT of doing this in order to avoid being processed out of the Army.

Response by SFC Lamont Womack made Jun 1 at 2014 12:21 PM

SFC Lamont Womack — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 12:21:31 -0400

I have never seen an NCO or Officer that has PROFESSIONALLY (key word) corrected a Soldier receive an EO complaint.

Most complaints I received is about some NCO or Officer flying off the handle, making a scene, cursing at the Soldier and not treating the Soldier with dignity and respect.

It's one thing to correct a Soldier and it is another thing to embarrass the Soldier and belittle them in front of their peers and other people. Sad to say there are a lot of "leaders" who think these are the same thing.

Once you get down to the facts it always comes down to HOW that correction was made. Like I said I have never seen a complaint on a NCO or Officer who pulled a Soldier aside and respectfully told them about whatever correction they needed to make.

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Jun 1 at 2014 1:37 PM

SSG V. Michelle Woods — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:37:51 -0400

EXCELLENT question SFC Whitehead!

I always ask guys this question in regards to the idea they can't correct women in uniform, "what women are you talking about?" "Who do you ACTUALLY know for sure this happened to? Were you there to witness or are you just hearing your buddy's side of the story?"

Every response I've heard so far comes from someone who knows someone thus making this generally bogus in my eyes.
(Im not saying it doesn't happen. Duh I'm sure it does.)

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2014 2:55 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 14:55:59 -0400

Urban myth. A EO rep will hopefully listen and make the call. I would also ensure in my command or Soldiers know what my standards are up front. Leave no question. That way no one Soldier is being singled out. I have no quarrels correcting any Soldier not to standard.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2014 9:25 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 09:25:38 -0400

Oh if I had a dime for every time I heard that. It's my experience that most males who have said that come from combat arms and aren't used to dealing with females. But if one is tactful and uses common sense (announce what you are going to fix before you do or say "I'm going to touch you ....where ever and wait for the ok) that they should be fine. I'm sure it has happened and will again.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2014 10:44 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:44:42 -0400

You cant get an EO complaint if you address the Soldier professionally. Its funny because some MOSs tolerate yelling, screaming and calling Soldiers everything but their name.