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Part of American Exceptionalism is that we changed the rules in governing; rights come from a higher power, government was established by us to protect those rights and then we listed them. We can vote out leaders rather than stage a revolution and we have rights the government can't take away! Why does it seem that our leaders (Mil, Pol, Civil) have not read this document they swore to defend?
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LTC Stephen C.
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Interestingly enough, MAJ Charles Blake, the same oath taken by commissioned officers of the armed services is also taken by the Vice President, members of the Cabinet, federal judges and all other civil officers and federal employees other than the President. That oath is as follows: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. (So help me God*)."

Of greater interest (at least to me) is the oath of office taken by the U.S. President, which is as follows: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, PRESERVE, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." In the Presidential Oath, the President swears to preserve, as well as protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, which to me, is a notable difference from the oath taken by others.

It seems as though if you're willing to swear an oath to "support and defend" or to "preserve, protect and defend" you might at least have read the U.S. Constitution at some point in time. However, the oaths don't make you swear that you've read it or even have a working knowledge of its contents!

*Now optional, I think.
CPO Donald Campbell
CPO Donald Campbell
6 y
CPO (Retired) It seems to me that certain folks in congress are looking to line their pockets with $ and are telling the C in Chief to go to H___. That is not the people I worked for during my 27 years in the USN
SN Michael Cember
SN Michael Cember
>1 y
CPO Donald Campbell - With respect, the people you worked to defend were the people of the United States; not their elected leaders.
The legislative branch has always attracted SOME grafters out to "line their pockets". But here we have a president who acts as the "Pocket Liner in Chief", and who, daily, attacks the Constitution he (and we) swore to defend. His daily attacks on the Constitution. His obvious preference for autocracy over democracy, and his corruption MUST be a main concern for those of us who are NOT oath breakers!
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
SSG Stephen Rogerson Thank you for your help. Many of us ~need~ VSO's and their wisdom, knowledge, and tenacious pursuit of earned benefits. Y'all fought for me when I could no longer fight for myself. It's interesting how often y'all reaffirm your oaths. Bless you for your time and assistance set aside for fellow sisters and brothers .

Peace,
SGT Thomas Paretti
SGT Thomas Paretti
>1 y
Honestly I personally think most people don't really know or care what's in this very important document until it starts to affect them. My biggest concern is that that I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution but what happens if the Constitution I took a life long oath to protect and defend gets changed and starts to not at all look like what I agreed to protect and defend. Like a for instance would be if there was an added amendment that suddenly repealed the second amendment, I need my firearms in order to keep my oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and once all the firearms are gone what's to stop with just the second amendment next they could make an amendment to repeal the first and next the fourth, sixth and eighth
amendment. Really after the second amendment is repealed there would be no need to make anymore amendments to repeal anymore because at that point no one would be able to just stop the government from just doing whatever the government wants to do. Just my ridiculous and "impossible" thoughts, I know I went way off topic from the original post but again just my thoughts.
SrA Edward Vong
From my experiences, some don't see it as something meaningful, maybe just what they have to do before they accept a position. I look at it as my duty while holding that position.
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
Maj John Bell I hope you politely handed that teacher her ass on a platter. It is as if she is deliberately against reading the Constitution when it's her ~job~ to do so. Explaining the document necessitates the students read it for themselves. And ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐to your daughter for standing up for herself and reading aloud the document that sets the parameters of our political and private lives.
#ThingsDaddyTauhhtMe
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
Maj John Bell *sigh* I am afraid you're right.
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
Maj John Bell lolz! I hope they're at least Krispy Kreme!
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
LTC Charles Blake Absolutely. Talk is essential. When talking ends war begins
MSG Jay Jackson
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (Thomas Jefferson.)
Just a personal though, I believe that our rights are given to us by the creator or for our non religious folks by virtue of your birth as a free individual. Often today we are busy with life and forget that old tattered document that gave birth to this nation. MY guess is they are to busy catching poke'mon.
PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
>1 y
Level 2 of this conversation has been debated before even by Congress in 1963

1963 Congress Report Military Members Constitutional Rights

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/const-rights-mil-pers.pdf

Add the the 14th Amendments premise of "Equal Protection" of the laws

So the same very thing we swear to defend the Constitution and your rights under the laws are interpreted differently when you are in a military enlistment unlike all other federal workers from what I understand.
PFC Kimberly Staiti
PFC Kimberly Staiti
>1 y
PO3 Aaron Hassay Correctamundo. We are designated to kill people and break in sh!t.

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