Failed AIT , reclass to a combat mos , can I get discharged?

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:10:41 -0400

I'm in the national guard and failed 92y AIT and getting reclass to combat engineer. I didnt sign up for a combat mos . What would happen if I refused to do that MOS? Would I be able to get out . I dont want to quit and know it's the needs of the army but I really dont want that mos .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 3:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:12:55 -0400

You shouldn’t have failed the AIT in the first place. I don’t believe you can just refuse to do an MOS because you signed a contract. Either suck it up or do enough to get kicked out

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 3:16 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:16:47 -0400

You signed the form, I guarantee there's a clause that says if you fail to complete the training agreed upon, then you go needs of the Army.

Another note - you went to 92Y AIT, now going to 12B, yet your profile says you're a "Field Artillery Firefinder Radar Operator"......

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 3:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:18:48 -0400

You signed up for training in the MOS and your contract states that you are not guaranteed the MOS but the training. You can separate at your ETS or you can just not show up and get kicked out.
It’s one weekend a month; 39 days out of 365 in a year. Half of your training time is doing normal Soldier stuff that you would do no matter what your MOS is. People don’t join the NG for a career, they join for the benefits. Have some fun, blow some stuff up, and take advantage of the extremely generous healthcare and tuition assistance.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 3:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:21:57 -0400

PVT,

Have you talked to your National Guard Liasion and your Recruiter? The Liasion is on station and will be able to help you directly, but your Recruiter can also work your issue back home as well. Both sides will eventually have to talk to resolve your issue, so the sooner you set things in motion the better.

You are correct in that it will be needs of the Army(or your state in this instance), but you may also be limited by your ASVAB Line Scores as well as if you currently possess a Security Clearance.

What also may help is if you express to both the Liasion and the Recruiter that you are willing to travel an extended distance for drill. One of the closest units to you may have been a Engineer Company, and you were probably slotted to be a Supply Clerk there. When you failed, they simply bumped you over to 12B for convenience. If such is the case, you'll sign a waiver saying you're willing to drive the xxxx miles to drill every month without compensation from your state.

Another scenario may be if you had contracted to receive a bonus. Typically states will do their best to allow you to retain the bonus, but that too will also limit the jobs you can select to keep moving forward.

Good luck.

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 30 at 2020 3:49 PM

SSG Brian G. — Sat, 30 May 2020 15:49:38 -0400

You signed a contract for 92Y. You are in breach of that contract with your failing AIT , as a result you are now needs of the Army. So they assign you a new MOS that they need rather than you want. You could refuse to do that MOS, in which case you would be chaptered out of the NG and likely not be able to serve any branch again in the future.

Suck it up, do the training, get qualified and do your time and move on. At your re-enlistment you can always request a reclass.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 4:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 16:18:53 -0400

You probably shouldn't have failed in AIT then...

Why does your profile say a job that has nothing to do with 92Y or combat engineer?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 4:53 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 16:53:25 -0400

PVT,
Combat Engineer is an extremely cool job and sounds like just what you need: a little sun and adventure. As National Guard, you can reasonably expect that your day-to-day will be almost the same as if you were a 92Y. That said, if you failed 92Y AIT, you are likely to fail Combat Engineer course too - at which point the Army will probably separate you - unless they just decide to perpetually recycle you, which is also possible. Live a little.

P.S.
If you do make it through Combat Engineer school, try and go Sapper. It'll open up a world of other doors for you.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made May 30 at 2020 5:05 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Sat, 30 May 2020 17:05:58 -0400

How could you fail 92Y school, I went through it at the age of 38 years old, and I didn't find it that hard to do.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made May 30 at 2020 6:14 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Sat, 30 May 2020 18:14:52 -0400

They are all combat MOSs. Just sayin. The Army fights and wins the Nation's wars. In case you missed it in the brochure.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 6:36 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 18:36:14 -0400

My biggest question is how do you fail 92Y AIT? Ive had supply guys that couldnt tie their shoes or count to potato, but they passed AIT.

Response by SGT Eric Davis made May 30 at 2020 7:01 PM

SGT Eric Davis — Sat, 30 May 2020 19:01:03 -0400

I went the AIT in 2005 as a 92Y and loved it then got out the military for 7 years then got back in the guard two years ago and learned GCSS-Army. So if I can learn that the. It’s your fault. You signed a contract and if you don’t want the MOS they give you then let them kick you out other than that hush and learn the new skill! Good luck!

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made May 30 at 2020 8:04 PM

SGT Justin Brothen — Sat, 30 May 2020 20:04:44 -0400

Suck it up, or go back on your signature. Either is your choice, I'd advise not "refusing to go".

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 9:57 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 21:57:20 -0400

You are going to learn to blow stuff up. It's a hard job, but it's a fun job. I was once a 12B. Give it a shot.

That being said....you signed an agreement with the military. You must uphold your end of the agreement. You don't want to get kicked out but here you are talking about refusing to do that MOS. You'd get sent home as a PFC (Private Frigging Civilian) if you refuse.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 10:12 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 22:12:55 -0400

You can succeed through AIT but if you can’t pass a PT test you get chaptered .<•>_<•>.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2020 10:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 May 2020 22:31:40 -0400

12B is a blast... LOL... seriously though, it is a great MOS. Do your time and ETS. You'll hate yourself if get kicked out, bro.

Response by SP6 M. R. Teeters made May 30 at 2020 11:30 PM

SP6 M. R. Teeters — Sat, 30 May 2020 23:30:33 -0400

SFC Carroll is 100% correct!! When you enlist MOS specific the Army guarantees you a shot at completing the AIT for that MOS. If you SUCCESSFULLY complete the AIT you're golden. If you fail out of the AIT the Army, including NG, still owns you for the duration of the contract. I am not sure what another previous poster meant by "don't show up and get kicked out" that used to translate to 1) Don't show up, 2) Get COURT-MARTIAL ED out with dD, 3) Lose any chance with a job that requires no criminal convictions, or any federal job, or any job requiring a security clearance, or any federally backed student financial aid for higher education.

I agree with another poster, welcome to reality based adulthood, suck it up, do your time, and get out.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2020 1:55 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 May 2020 01:55:05 -0400

If I were you, I would stick it out. It's part time, has great education benefits and quite frankly you may find you like it better than being a supply clerk. Don't let the "combat" or lack of "combat" in the job title fool you. Both would have pretty good chances of being involved in a combat encounter, especially as a junior Soldier.

Let's take supply specialist job for example. In garrison or back in the drill hall you will be involved in mundane jobs such as passing out weapons, helping to issue equipment, and doing busy work for your supply sergeant. But, during a deployment, you might be part of a logistics run to battalion companies spread out in various locations and risk being hit with insurgents that want your supplies or IEDs just for the sake of taking out more Soldiers. This is very simplified, but I am just trying to illustrate that being a supply clerk may not be an safer then a combat MOS.

I was active duty in a combat engineer unit as a chemical soldier, and guess what, we also had a supply section. We pretty much went where the combat engineers went (although I was left in the command post helping out company operations).

Response by TSgt Carl Johnson made May 31 at 2020 7:24 AM

TSgt Carl Johnson — Sun, 31 May 2020 07:24:43 -0400

You would be wise NOT to take the advice of those telling you to, "...just not show up." When I was a police officer, I was tasked numerous times with serving arrest warrants on AWOL National Guard soldiers. Arrest warrants mean that we can search your home, workplace, etc. for you, and when we find you you will be wearing handcuffs as we take you to the police car to transport you to jail.

You signed a contract and took an oath. Soldier up! Go where the Army sends you, do what the Army tells you, and do it to the very best of your ability. Then, when you are old like me, you can look anyone in the eye when you tell them that you are proud of your service. Don't be a WIMP - Weak, Incompetent, Military Personnel. When you have grandchildren that you want to set an example for you will thank me for this advice. The Army's recruiting commercials used to say, "Be all that you can be!" Do just that! Show up ready and willing, and you will be surprised where it will take you.

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made May 31 at 2020 8:36 AM

SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr — Sun, 31 May 2020 08:36:53 -0400

Failing AIT was your fault. Not completing contract will be your fault. You could ask for release based on YOUR FAILURE or suck it up and soldier on. As SFC Boyd stated " you were guaranteed training Not MOS".

Response by PFC Nicholas Efstathiou made May 31 at 2020 8:57 AM

PFC Nicholas Efstathiou — Sun, 31 May 2020 08:57:55 -0400

Don't look for a discharge. See this as an opportunity to learn an extremely applicable skill set.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2020 9:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 May 2020 09:00:05 -0400

How’d you fail 92 Y, I’m curious ?

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made May 31 at 2020 1:27 PM

MSG John Duchesneau — Sun, 31 May 2020 13:27:10 -0400

I'm glad you don't want to quit. If you believe in "service above self" then you should take the job the Army gives you and do your best at it. Besides, combat engineers get to blow things up! You also get to learn things which will help you in civilian employment. That's a great job!

Response by SPC(P) Timeo Williams made May 31 at 2020 3:22 PM

SPC(P) Timeo Williams — Sun, 31 May 2020 15:22:10 -0400

Hey man,

Stick through it until you reach your ETS.
The reprecussions of missing drill, ext could hurt you for the rest of your life, i.e dishonorable discharge.

Be a good soldier, utilize the education benefits at hand and complete your service.

The option to reclass is always available once you get to your unit. The NG has options for expedient MOS reclass training, so you'll be fine.

All the best!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2020 3:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 May 2020 15:49:09 -0400

If you truely want to be in the Army I suggest you do the AIT they are offering. You can always reclass later to what you want.

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Jun 4 at 2020 12:36 AM

CW2 Jalistair B — Thu, 04 Jun 2020 00:36:41 -0400

News flash private, all MOS's are combat MOS's. When your unit is deployed you will find yourself in positions you didn't know you would find yourself in. In Iraq we were using artillery as infantry knocking on doors and spreading the love of the USA. If you are afraid of combat you never should have joined the military. It isn't a social club.

Response by Sgt David Hutchinson made Jun 5 at 2020 3:51 PM

Sgt David Hutchinson — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:51:40 -0400

You know you joined the military and even though you don’t have a combat MOS, you may still in fact be involved in combat.

I think you need to talk to someone in the command and talk to them about that aspect of the military before you do anything stupid like miss a movement.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2020 3:21 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 15:21:16 -0400

Speak to your 1SG or Commander, i know a colleague in AIT who respectfully refused what they gave her after she failed and she got it changed to CBRN 74D or something, just don’t be stubborn about it.

Don’t hold me to it if he or she refuses though

Response by SPC John Coleman made Jun 10 at 2020 12:00 AM

SPC John Coleman — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 00:00:27 -0400

Sounds like you need to shoot yourself. You’re a soldier first and then your MOS..!!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 1:05 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:05:29 -0400

Becoming a 92Y is one of the easiest jobs. I don’t wanna sound like a jerk but when I went through, the only people who failed where the ones who didn’t try. If you didn’t try to pass a literal open book test every week or so, maybe you should get out of the army. We wouldn’t want you as a unit supply specialist, much less as someone who we would have to rely off in combat

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2020 9:34 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:34:57 -0400

Should have studied harder. Sorry not trying to be mean. I just retired after 35 years and seen most everything. Never liked seeing a quitter.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2020 9:39 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:39:06 -0400

Don't think you should be wineing about your situation here. You should of not signed the dotted line in the first place. Are you going to get out and put in for a VA disability claim. Wouldn't surprise after what I've been seeing lately. Once again not trying to be mean but the military has turned soft since I first joined.

Response by SGT Franklin Walker made Jul 4 at 2020 4:52 PM

SGT Franklin Walker — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:52:59 -0400

You can request to try to Fort McCoy Wisconsin they have the same course and it's less than a month they put you in a walk thru on hand position

Response by TSgt Carl Johnson made Oct 26 at 2021 4:35 PM

TSgt Carl Johnson — Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:35:29 -0400

PVT Private RallyPoint Member Well, it's been almost a year and a half since you posted. Howsa 'bout an update? What did you do, and how did it turn out?