"Fallujah Marine veteran beaten over mistaken case of stolen valor"

2015-11-23T16:59:45-05:00

From: USMC Life

A Marine veteran who fought in Fallujah was attacked by an airman who believed he was lying about serving in the Corps. It happened over the weekend at The Long Shot, an Arden-area bar, according to CBS Sacramento.

The Marine veteran, Michael Delfin says he tried to show the airman his ID, but he believed he was looking for a fight.

“I noticed a guy had a fade and he asked me if I was in the service and he said, ‘Yeah, I’m in the Air Force,’ and I said, ‘Oh I was in the Corps,’” he said.

The airman was looking for an active duty CAC card, but since Delfin was a veteran, he only had this VA card – he was accused of lying about serving on the spot.

“So, I asked him to read my ID, and he was like nahh stolen valor, stolen valor; this guy’s a fake,” he said. “He’s ignorant. He needs to learn how to read an ID, plain and simple,” he said. “When a vet tells you he’s a vet and he’s obviously wearing a fallen brothers bracelet doesn’t even recognize that.”

Things started turning ugly and the Delfin tried leaving, but was jumped in the parking lot by the airman and one of his friends.

“And before I knew it I couldn’t get off the ground. My leg gave out; it was kind of a blur,” Delfin said.

Delfin’s tibia is broken, and his jaw might be too.

“I did over 12 years in the Marine Corps; I was a tracker and I was in combat in 2004 in Fallujah,” he said.

“Because everybody that’s in the service does their job, but when you go to combat it’s a different thing, so to claim on me I’m stolen valor, that’s a slap in every veteran’s face,” he said. “He needs to get caught. He needs to get made an example of, plain and simple.”

Sacramento Police have filed a report, Delfin has also heard from an Air Force investigator.

http://usmclife.com/2015/10/fallujah-marine-veteran-beaten-over-mistaken-case-of-stolen-valor/

Fallujah Marine veteran beaten over mistaken case of stolen valor

A Marine veteran who fought in Fallujah was attacked by an airman who believed he was lying about serving in the Corps. The Marine veteran, Michael Delfin

Response by Sgt Spencer Sikder made Nov 23 at 2015 5:15 PM

2015-11-23T17:15:08-05:00

Sue the hell out of the SOB!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 5:19 PM

2015-11-23T17:19:00-05:00

That idiot Airman is piece of crap and finally, I am getting tired of this SV stuff because we have people ready to start a fight. Too much sensationlism...

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 23 at 2015 5:21 PM

2015-11-23T17:21:37-05:00

I wish people would use there darn heads. People get too upset about stolen valor and don't take time to get to know the person before they get upset or come to conclusions. If they would just take time to get to know some of them I actually find out what really happened and where they really served.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Nov 23 at 2015 5:23 PM

2015-11-23T17:23:07-05:00

If this NCO worked for me there would be wall to wall counseling. Totally unacceptable.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Nov 23 at 2015 5:29 PM

2015-11-23T17:29:32-05:00

Like the young Marine said, I hope they find the guy and make an example of him. Let's not make an intra-service "thing" out of this. It's one guy, acting stupid. Just regretful that it was one of our own.

Response by MSgt James Mullis made Nov 23 at 2015 5:29 PM

2015-11-23T17:29:37-05:00

There was a similar incident to this recently, in that case it was a Senior citizen. As in that case, I would like proof that the attacker was actually and Airman and not just some drunken idiot out to beat someone up. If he is an active duty Airman his commander needs to prosecute him as appropriate for a criminal assault.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 5:32 PM

2015-11-23T17:32:25-05:00

Well, I hope that Airman can produce really good evidence in his defense at his court-martial. And before he steps in that court room, his higher NCO's need to take him to a visit to the woodshed.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Nov 23 at 2015 6:22 PM

2015-11-23T18:22:32-05:00

two things I have come to embrace 1. some of us are obsessed with genitalia measurement 2. if I ever say something, and you don't believe me...feel free to go F yourself.
that is all, carry on.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Nov 23 at 2015 6:25 PM

2015-11-23T18:25:45-05:00

Airman beats up Marine...is this a duffle blog story?

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Nov 23 at 2015 6:37 PM

2015-11-23T18:37:50-05:00

So the Air Force wants to "play tough" being one of theirs finally got some recognition for "gettin some" with a terrorist. This wasn't the way to do it. Another Marine vet was beaten for "faking it" over the last week. Damn shame what the internet and some FB vet sites have caused some to become.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Nov 23 at 2015 7:35 PM

2015-11-23T19:35:03-05:00

Just wait,one of these days the guy getting accosted is going to plug one. I know these guys believe that the Military began the day they peeked into the recruiter's office and no one else could have possibly served because damn history. All I can say is protect yourselves. If it comes down to ending one of this morons, better them than you.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 23 at 2015 8:06 PM

2015-11-23T20:06:18-05:00

I'm not saying this didn't happen to this individual, and I hope they find him, but I'm have a hard time believing this is just over stolen valor, or he was attacked by AD (Any Branch) personnel... Just my opinion only...

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 23 at 2015 8:39 PM

2015-11-23T20:39:13-05:00

That's all we need is to get stupid on each other.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Nov 23 at 2015 9:01 PM

2015-11-23T21:01:01-05:00

Unsat! what is up with these Boots on a witch hunt....1st a Vietnam Vet, now a Fallujah Vet? Brig time and Big Chicken Dinner for all of them! Conduct Unbecoming!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Nov 23 at 2015 9:31 PM

2015-11-23T21:31:37-05:00

Sad but not Surprised! With all the "Press" about "Stolen Valor" that someone wants to take the law into their own hands and is Wrong on All Counts.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 24 at 2015 1:20 AM

2015-11-24T01:20:49-05:00

Two AF jerks need to spend some time in the Graybar Hotel.

Response by MSgt Matthew Meindl made Nov 24 at 2015 7:29 AM

2015-11-24T07:29:55-05:00

Stolen Valor never justifies vigilantes. Need to know your facts before challenging somebody. The burden of proof lies with the person making the challenge, not the veteran. I am no longer subject to an active duty chain of command and am not required to prove my veteran status to anyone unless i am seeking something based on it (discount, access, etc). The sooner the people issuing these challenges figure out to respect and investigate first, and to properly challenge second, the better.

Response by SrA Erin Hood made Nov 24 at 2015 7:40 AM

2015-11-24T07:40:52-05:00

Similar Event:

https://military.id.me/stolen-valor/vietnam-veteran-accused-of-stolen-valor-by-younger-marines-attacked-in-airport/

Completely unacceptable. I understand that SV rubs folks the wrong way, as it should, but it's a slippery slope to call someone out on it, as has been stated on this forum. The person calling out the suspected violator needs to keep a cool head and maintain professionalism if they want to have any recourse for having made an honest mistake. Acting in such a manner only serves to cast a poor reflection on their branch and the DOD in general.

Discrimination is still an act. Service members getting hot headed over a potential SV incident are not doing anyone any favors.

B.F Skinner, Just Behave...

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Nov 24 at 2015 9:17 AM

2015-11-24T09:17:54-05:00

That punk airman is a disgrace to the Air Force and the Armed Forces as a whole.

Response by Sgt Tom Vaughn made Nov 24 at 2015 11:57 AM

2015-11-24T11:57:25-05:00

Take that non combat wish he was and send him to Marine Boot Camp , then to SOI. Then ask him. Do you want combat or is that little office in the supply warehouse ok. , this punk needs to be caught

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Nov 24 at 2015 1:58 PM

2015-11-24T13:58:37-05:00

If drinking was involved, then I can understand why we have idiots starting fights. Enough said!

Response by SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc made Nov 24 at 2015 5:12 PM

2015-11-24T17:12:53-05:00

That's just messed up. I hope they kick him out!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 10:41 PM

2015-11-24T22:41:11-05:00

Everybody wants to copycat others. People confront the stolen valor individuals and feel the need to upload the videos on the internet. I understand the public shaming aspect of it but you're always going to get that One Upper who feels the need to get violent and in certain instances it backfires. You can call the fakes out but that doesn't give you the right to assault them. One of these days they'll test the wrong vet and ....shots fired.

Response by Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce made Nov 24 at 2015 11:40 PM

2015-11-24T23:40:52-05:00

First off neither party was thinking with 100% brain power since they were in a bar. The airman must have some issues and be in need of counseling for anger management.

I actually have a picture of my DD-214 on my phone because I had to send it to RP to get verified and to join my local Amvets post. However I have never been asked to show it to the general public to prove I am a Veteran. Maybe it's because I don't wear military item's or go to bars and talk smack. I prefer to visit Vets in the Nursing home or VA clinic.

People that pretend to be War Hero's are a special kind of scum and will answer for their actions come judgment day.

Response by PFC Terry Kuehner made Nov 25 at 2015 11:22 AM

2015-11-25T11:22:58-05:00

We need to get a few of us old devil dogs together and through this air force pos, a good old blanket party and see if he crys stolen valor then

Response by MSgt Darren VanDerwilt made Nov 25 at 2015 8:24 PM

2015-11-25T20:24:59-05:00

This is a monster of our own making. I've been wondering how long it would take before it got to this level. The whole thing makes me sick. It's long past time to reign in the "Stolen Valor" crap. Turn your back on those groups and individuals using this issue for notoriety.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Nov 26 at 2015 12:26 AM

2015-11-26T00:26:01-05:00

They would have beat me up too, because I would have been laughing too hard, Air Force? I would have died laughing maybe. I guess I will definitely have to go armed if I ever wear any of my stuff again. I am quite disabled , so I can't "defend" myself by kicking people's butts anymore. Friggin Air Force,who'd thunk it.(no offence to any of you AF dudes here) This SV stuff and wannabe heroes is is getting out of hand.

Was there some kind of racial difference here? I suspect there was something else going on than SV.

To be honest, when I was still in and stationed in America, I always was armed off base and my friends were too.We even had our own unofficial shooting club. The SV BS is nothing compare to getting robbed and jumped by several MFer's, this case IMO went past SV.If guns ain't your thing, and they are a heavy responsibility, At least carry a good fighting knife or a good lock blade and learn some basic moves. We carried guns besides knives, it was dangerous off post , and that was Ft. Pork in the late 1980's, I am certain it is more dangerous now off post at any base CONUS.

And don't ever fist fight off base with fools you don't know. Dirty fighting can happened real quick. And in this case I think Marine got hit with a weapon. Tibias don't break readily. I 'd say a bat or a club was used.
That calls for the martial arts of "ching-chang", when you cock that slide. Then you can do a "survey" of who wants to die. Most people don't.

And don't party off post alone.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Nov 26 at 2015 1:33 AM

2015-11-26T01:33:20-05:00

Um, so we all take the word of someone who got beat up in a bar fight on why the fight happened. No witnesses stepped forward. To be honest it could have been anyone who stomped him out for any reason. There is also a Go Fund Me set up for the "victim". The only thing that irks vets more than stolen Valor is false accusations of stolen valor. Use your judgement before jumping on the band wagon and believing one side of a story.

Response by TSgt Jerry Clemens Jr made Nov 26 at 2015 9:58 AM

2015-11-26T09:58:12-05:00

Freakin' dirt bag airman (notice I did NOT capitalize) needs to have his mosquito wings ripped off.

Response by TSgt Aaron D. made Nov 29 at 2015 5:56 PM

2015-11-29T17:56:07-05:00

They don't even know who the guy was, the guy who jumped him more than likely wasn't even in the military at all. Regardless, it's a stupid situation and something that our vets should not have to go through.

Response by SGT Curtis Earl made Nov 29 at 2015 5:58 PM

2015-11-29T17:58:42-05:00

I do not draw attention to myself or my service. Every member of my family has served and I have nothing to prove to anyone. I will never, as in NOT EVER, pull out my ID or any other form of documentation to prove my service. I don't pull my ID to get discounts or free shit and I don't feel the need to flex nutts in front of civilians. I carry an ACU pattern laptop bag and that's only because I can rock it in and out of uniform without breaking any regs. I refuse to buy another. It will go badly for anyone that starts a confrontation with me over something like this.

And in case anyone doubted it, this stolen valor nonsense is assault. SM aren't law enforcement and we don't have the authority to stop and harrass anyone because *we think* someone's uniform looks funny. Mind your own business.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Nov 29 at 2015 7:23 PM

2015-11-29T19:23:16-05:00

Infuriating.

I've said it before, I'll say it again; it's ALWAYS better to let 100 fakers go, than to falsely accuse and shame even 1 legitimate veteran or service member. More often than not these guys are a bunch of damn YouTube warriors looking for their internet fame.

If you aren't 100% sure, AND aren't willing to publicly take 100% responsibility for your actions if you're wrong, put your damn phone away and don't accuse people of Stolen Valor!

Response by CPL David Martin made Nov 29 at 2015 8:08 PM

2015-11-29T20:08:16-05:00

What an idiot. Kid had his VA ID card but this airman obviously had too much to drink and wasn't using his head. What a slap in the face to this vet..... Shame on that airman and I hope his chain of command gets his ass and handles this piss poor behavior.

Response by SFC Don Ward made Nov 29 at 2015 8:57 PM

2015-11-29T20:57:54-05:00

Problem - this is what we are breeding in the ranks today. Last week it was 4 Marines jumping a Viet Nam Veteran. We've got a Lieutenant Colonel on here stating that he would go wall to wall with the young man. The Army started a campaign just a few years back that they are a "profession" of "professionals" and this just shows how late they are. If you have to declare yourselves "professionals" to the world, you have already lost it. And our privates in training aren't allowed to carry rucksacks, they carry laundry bags.

Response by SPC Kortney Kistler made Nov 29 at 2015 9:38 PM

2015-11-29T21:38:30-05:00

It seems every "Vet" I had talked to before I joined the service was 101st Sniper in Desert Storm. People need to get over themselves. You served great! Thank you for your service. You want to lie about the capacity in which you served, how am I to know, you can live your fantasy. The people I don't have time for are the no count individuals that did whatever they needed to do to avoid deployment. I know way more than I'd care to.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 11:20 PM

2015-11-29T23:20:39-05:00

It really is turning into an epidemic, almost, the lengths some people are willing to go in order to claim they found some Stolen Valor. One of the golden rules I live by whenever meeting another veteran is a simple one, especially if they're in uniform. Stay in your lane. My uniform abides by AFI 36-2903, I do not expect every soldier I meet to know said AFI, and likewise, unless you know AR 670-1, you have little basis to nitpick a soldier's uniform violations. In this case, had the Airman known DODI 1000.13 regarding identification, maybe this could have been avoided.

TL;DR - Be courteous, and only confront someone if you know for absolute certain something is wrong, and have the documentation to back up your claims. If not, things like this happen. Don't jump into a situation half-cocked, and stay in your own damn lane.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2015 11:46 PM

2015-11-29T23:46:47-05:00

An ugly trend has started. We can all spot fakes. Do we really need to do anything unless they are doing so for personal gain? This will ruffle feathers I am certain. Also, does anyone else find it bizarre that an airman was successful in carrying out this level of violence on a Marine?

Response by TSgt David Woodford made Nov 30 at 2015 12:00 AM

2015-11-30T00:00:10-05:00

That airman needs to go to jail.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2015 12:35 AM

2015-11-30T00:35:40-05:00

This is an epidemic that needs to be stopped! Leaders, you need to mentor your subordinates and teach tact. This climate of self entitlement and over glorified rhetoric dealing with "stolen valor" needs to stop. We are all getting a tarnished image! This also includes the "POG" comments. Self entitlement shows weakness and insecurity...let's help our troopers see this.

Response by Cpl John Welsh made Nov 30 at 2015 12:48 AM

2015-11-30T00:48:12-05:00

Fucking Chair Force homo, wish I was at that bar w ya brother, woulda crushed it their skulls

Response by SGT Freddie Richard made Nov 30 at 2015 2:18 AM

2015-11-30T02:18:53-05:00

The number of mistaken Stolen Valor incidents seems to be on the rise. Vets and Active duty soldier are looking for stolen valor. I wonder if it is from a non-combat guilt? or just 15 minutes of fame. Anyway it falls, you don't get to kick anyones ass for stolen valor and that is the odd additive to these situations, they all have a physical component to them.

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Nov 30 at 2015 4:12 AM

2015-11-30T04:12:46-05:00

The guy was an airman - I would have been embarrassed to have even admitted that.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 30 at 2015 4:33 AM

2015-11-30T04:33:18-05:00

This ridiculous behavior has to stop! Insults are one thing, fighting is another

Response by Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns made Nov 30 at 2015 8:18 AM

2015-11-30T08:18:04-05:00

Violence is never a way to defend "stolen valor" frankly because valor can never be stolen. It can be replicated and in some cases duplicated but it can never be stolen. Valor is not something someone or something gives you, valor is bestowed and if it never was bestowed upon you, it can never be stolen. One should never have to prove their service because if you served, it will be written all over your face, not a uniform.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2015 8:37 AM

2015-11-30T08:37:31-05:00

This SV vigilantism has to stop. Far too many innocents are getting caught up in this mess because the medal they are wearing is slightly crooked. Unless someone is trying to get a real benefit, and I don't mean 10% off at Dunkin Donuts, then move on.

Response by SPC Adam Terhune made Nov 30 at 2015 10:47 AM

2015-11-30T10:47:12-05:00

This totally pisses me off. I am a Vet, as well as my Father, two Uncles, Grandfather on Dad's side, and my Brother is now 24 years in service. My Grandfather and both Uncles have passed. One Uncle fought in WWII, my Dad served during the Korean war, I served during the first Gulf War, and my Brother has deployed I don't know how many times anymore. My Dad does not carry around anything to prove his Veteran status, nor do I. I signed up to serve my country and defend our constitution, our way of life and our Freedom. I never served with the anticipation of getting some kind of recognition from Civi's for doing so. I was taught from my family of service members before me, from my DS, my First Sgt, my Capt., etc... that this is a selfless service we provide and not one that we do for praise and prizes from those we protect. So... I don't go around wanting to flash ID's and so on and brag about being a Vet. In fact I rarely speak of it as it always bring the Thank You etc etc... I don't feel like that is necessary and almost makes me a bit uncomfortable.
That being said, if someone were to challenge my status as a Vet it would deeply offend me as I am very proud of the time I spent in the Army, and can still say to this day that it was the best thing I have ever done in my life, and the best time in my life. Those Vet's and Active Duty folks that feel it is there duty to somehow police people on their Veteran status are completely delusional and so caught up in there own ego that I would challenge their purpose in serving and question if they have any true honor as a soldier. Was it a self serving to get recognition or to be hailed as a 'badass', or do they have honor, integrity, discipline, dignity and selflessness that makes a true soldier? In my mind wearing a uniform does not make one a soldier deserving of valor. Being a soldier is much more than putting on the uniform and showing up. Our Civi's don't understand the world of a soldier and those people are easy to pick out if they are frauds, but in no way does that mean one should set aside their core values as a soldier and attack anyone. That is unbecoming behavior at every level. I hope that they make an example of the Airman. Court Marshall and dishonorable discharge preventing him from carrying a Vet ID card that he apparently thinks is some kind of golden ticket. He should never be allowed to claim status as a soldier as his behavior is not that of any soldier I would honor as a Vet myself. I hope all active duty and Veterans, when encountering someone guilty of stolen valor that they do the right thing. Make it known and contact law enforcement to have them charged. That is your duty, not to become judge, jury and ' executioner to feed your own ego under the guise of defending honor and valor. If you do that later you have disgraced the uniform and every other soldier out there that truly knows what it means to be a soldier and not just some asshole in a uniform.

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Nov 30 at 2015 2:28 PM

2015-11-30T14:28:11-05:00

Let's hope this time, the perpetrator is charged and convicted, instead of always hearing, give them another chance, he was stupid, didn't know what he was doing BS. I think that once some of these people that are going after SV before they know the real truth get convicted, punished or dishonorably discharged, they will keep doing it. I hope that this Veteran pursues legal action against the idiot and he is charged. Him and the Asshole buddy.

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Dec 1 at 2015 3:23 AM

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Response by MAJ David Wallace made Dec 1 at 2015 5:18 AM

2015-12-01T05:18:45-05:00

Pretty scary stuff. Looks like this airman has a lot of growing up to do. If you are not a subject matter expert on every type of issued military ID, you should refrain from calling someone on their military service. When I turned in my CAC card a little over a year ago, I thought my retiree ID card would be of similar quality. Not so! I think I could have made a better ID card on my home computer. If this AF kid has so much spunk in him, he should be transfered to the USMC as an infantryman so he can expend some of his misspent energy in destroying our enemies and not his fellow countrymen.

Response by Sgt Alan Voracek made Dec 1 at 2015 11:16 AM

2015-12-01T11:16:27-05:00

It makes me wonder if the "airman" was or actually is an air force veteran!

Response by CPL Donald Pelton made Dec 2 at 2015 12:41 PM

2015-12-02T12:41:24-05:00

This stolen Valor crap is getting out of hand by both sides. If you go out LOOKING for stolen Valor you are part of the problem. THAT'S like hunting for trouble. If you see it and can show that it truly is, then good for you.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 2 at 2015 2:40 PM

2015-12-02T14:40:22-05:00

Did they catch the bastards?

Response by SSG Steve Lovett made Dec 2 at 2015 6:49 PM

2015-12-02T18:49:17-05:00

Holy fucking shit are folks really getting that bent out of shape over some fucking ribbons?This is the second time I've heard of this sort of stupid shit over supposed stolen valor,get over yourselves,fuck me

Response by SPC Thomas Bourland made Dec 2 at 2015 10:19 PM

2015-12-02T22:19:24-05:00

Assault is a criminal act, and needs to be pursued as such just because a person suspects another of stolen valor there is never an excuse to provoke a physical confrontation.

Response by SPC Danny Boy made Dec 3 at 2015 5:25 PM

2015-12-03T17:25:48-05:00

I think I served in the Army to protect the freedoms if every American. Even the ones that try to claim they are former military. That means if some guy wants to stand on a street corner and claim he is a vet so he can get some money then so be it. It isn't my job or duty to figure out his past. Some people just need to get over it and move on.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 6:04 PM

2015-12-03T18:04:09-05:00

There's stolen valor, and then there's the adults who wear the uniform like kids who wear a superman cape. It sickens me when you see videos of men ganging up on an adult who is either obviously mentally delayed or shows some sign of it, and they think they are being all high and mighty picking on some poor individual who is just looking for attention. Stealing a thank you, and a pat on the back isn't stolen valor. Stolen Valor is when someone intentionally frauds a bank or organization for financial gain or employment.

Response by SSG Vincent Jauregui made Dec 3 at 2015 8:32 PM

2015-12-03T20:32:14-05:00

WHAT A IDIOT AIRMAN...I HOPE HE FELLS GOOD.....AND PROUD.......OF IT.......

Response by TSgt Steven Lodahl made Dec 4 at 2015 3:34 AM

2015-12-04T03:34:50-05:00

An airman questions a MARINE. Talk about hypocritical given that many MARINES served 12 PLUS month in Iraq and Afghanistan while members of the air FARCE early on only spent 120 days in either location.

As an air force retiree it disgusted me to hear air force personnel WHINE while being interviewed by the media about the hardship they and their families would have to endure while he or she was serving in either Afghanistan or Iraq for a MEASELY 120-days. Thank god I retired in 1991 when air force personnel were still professional. Those currently serving in the air force today are nothing but a bunch of whiny, pissy pant crybabies.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 9:43 AM

2015-12-04T09:43:00-05:00

Servicemen fighting in a bar??? Say it isn't so!
That has never happened before. Like ever.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2015 9:15 PM

2015-12-05T21:15:16-05:00

This is what happens when you become obsessed with a witch hunt instead of just living your own life and minding your own business.

Response by Sgt Jim Wertz made Dec 6 at 2015 8:47 AM

2015-12-06T08:47:28-05:00

Those with valor should not tarnish their own valor over someone who only pretends to have valor. The Airman's valor, because of his own bad call, is now in need of a bit of brasso...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2015 11:25 AM

2015-12-06T11:25:44-05:00

Yet another young or incompetent military guys screwing up shit for the rest of us. Who ever you are airmen Deflin before you go smashing and accusing get your head out of your ass. Your battle buddy who played as an accomplisher you both should be a shame for the actions you both did (beating a fellow vet). You both should get the hell out of the military service for your characters are not that of any values or core you were taught either being in the airforce,army,marine,navy or coast guard boot camp.

Response by PO3 David Davis made Dec 6 at 2015 6:03 PM

2015-12-06T18:03:32-05:00

This has to stop. The actions of these airmen are unbecoming of the uniform. That is worse than stolen valor. My trust in this Military Generation are falling fast. News flash your not that special. In the 80's many were fighting a non-commercial iced battles. And didn't receive much for it. I personally boxed up bones in a 3 inch by 4 inch box and one dog tag in 1987. He was a seal team member. The entire Unit was killed except one man. They are unsure hero's to me. These asslings, think they are special, they make me sick.

Response by SPC Chris Fajardo made Dec 7 at 2015 7:58 AM

2015-12-07T07:58:49-05:00

Marine beat up by chair force guys... thats just funny!

Response by Sgt Scott Ottaway made Dec 7 at 2015 9:21 PM

2015-12-07T21:21:57-05:00

There is absolutely no excuse for the Airman to have question this Marine. A Veteran is a Veteran and we should have the respect for each other and stand by each other. There are some people that have stolen valor, I still can't fathom why someone would behave in that manner but I would not waste my time giving them my attention. My.heart goes out to the Marine and shame to the Airman, what a fu@#^n embarrassment.

Response by CPL Collin Sigler made Dec 8 at 2015 10:06 PM

2015-12-08T22:06:45-05:00

If it only took two Airman to kick his ass he wasn't much of a Marine

Response by CPL Collin Sigler made Dec 8 at 2015 10:10 PM

2015-12-08T22:10:14-05:00

If it only took two airman to kick his ass he wasn't much of a Marine... ARMY STRONG!!!

Response by SGT Mathew Canfield made Dec 9 at 2015 12:06 AM

2015-12-09T00:06:20-05:00

Its hard enough for us Vets to get any help from the VA as it is, then crap like this happens. This Airman should be ashamed to do this to his fellow Vet. In fact I believe the Airman should be court-martial for their action. Doesn't matter if its stolen valor or not. There is no excuse whatsoever to act out as what the Airman did. I believe this Airman should be set as an example to those who want to play this game. I took the oath, as many did, to protect the Constitution both foreign and domestic. This includes protecting our citizens. Let's not be some of these cops on the news who harass and falsely accuse innocent people because they think they are above the law.

Response by SPC David Glines made Dec 9 at 2015 1:55 AM

2015-12-09T01:55:59-05:00

at first I thought scrubs that are stealing Valor being outed was a good thing but the more I read about crap like this I am turning against it to do this to a real Vet is way beyond shameful and criminal Service members who do this need to be made an example of reduced to the rank of E-1 and a bad conduct discharge there is no excuse for it at all

Response by PO1 Tab Buchholz made Dec 9 at 2015 2:56 PM

2015-12-09T14:56:06-05:00

I say when the Devil Dog heals up, let the sissy Airman go one on one with the Marine then. Give him his own blood stripes.

Response by Cpl Trevor Gaul made Dec 10 at 2015 9:03 AM

2015-12-10T09:03:02-05:00

Didn't know AF could call anyone out for SV. Aside from the 1% of them that serve Combat roles, I've seen cafeteria workers with more dangerous jobs. Boot POG. No wonder he can't tell the difference between a real man and a fake.

Response by Maj Harris Heslip made Dec 15 at 2015 2:46 PM

2015-12-15T14:46:02-05:00

Sorry that happened to you my brother in Arms. I pray that you have a quick comfortable healing. No need to worry about that young Airman. You reap what you sow, his day is coming. Keep your head up and God bless you brother.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 11:24 AM

2015-12-18T11:24:39-05:00

This is exactly the kind of stupidity all these stolen valor sites cause and promote......stupid.....why do people feel the need to bother and challenge people who are minding their own business. I had some jackass ask me why I had a retired AF plate holder on my car.....i told him i was retired AF...he then wanted to see my DD214 for some reason....told him to EAD he had no authority to question, detain, or harass me and I walked away....WE are breeding and encouraging these idiots every time we circulate one of their videos or stories......this needs to stop......Unless someone is trying to profit or otherwise use their status to promote a cause can't we just leave them alone......this is so stupid i've had it happen to me twice now.....it needs to stop.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 11:50 AM

2016-01-06T11:50:13-05:00

I knew this was going to happen eventually.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 9:22 PM

2016-01-15T21:22:46-05:00

I was fine with Servicemembers that acted professionally outing these Stolen Valor idiots. At least they knew what to look for and weren't seeking violence. Some of the punks in the services now think it's the popular thing to do and are looking for a fight, but they don't even know the difference between task and fake.

This incident and others like it bother me greatly.

Response by Sgt Brian Hoffman made Jan 16 at 2016 1:37 AM

2016-01-16T01:37:01-05:00

We make jokes about feminist campaigns that attack alpha males, like the *toxic masculinity* or *male fragility*, but these SV people are proving some of them right. If you are someone that feels a powerful urge to seek out, confront, record, or assault someone because of some misguided sense of valor, I hate to break it to you - you don't have it.

What happened to military men being a cut above the gen pop? Even if you come across a phony - is tearing him down and exposing him how a man handles that situation? I think most of us would agree not. An overwhelming majority of those out the *stealing valor* have mental health issues, and most of the rest are poor and desperate. Does a man that strives to be a cut above kick another man when he's down? Sure, there are probably a few sociopaths out there fraudulently claiming some kind of military service, but it's not valor they are after - it's a dollar, a business deal, a client, an investment, or something other than whatever valor it is you think you have.

If you feel like you need to protect valor, you don't have it.

Response by LCpl Domingo Ariza made Jan 21 at 2016 4:51 AM

2016-01-21T04:51:38-05:00

I think it is more disturbing that a professional service member or vet makes more of a *ss out of themselves then they do the guy they are trying to be-little for stolen valor. Make it known that they have been identified as a fraud and move on. That is just my opinion.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Jan 31 at 2016 10:57 PM

2016-01-31T22:57:33-05:00

That is absolutely terrible. I hope that airman is caught, and removed from service immediately. That behavior has no place in the service. Period.

Response by SPC Harold Bustamante made Mar 10 at 2016 7:32 PM

2016-03-10T19:32:56-05:00

yeah dumb ass ego male shit... young buck who had no brains/drunk to listen.. anger issues.. a lot has been said.. and yes he deserves some punishment!, have him demoted by a rank, pay for medical expenses!, it was done off base so depends if marine filed charges. and I would have him do a few hundred hours of community service hours required to disabled vets and especially this Marine. Its the only respectful way to teach him and still have him do his part. Maybe he's a good airman on duty?? If I was his command I would make an example of him in a way that other service men can learn. maybe make him a poster child in the air force paper.. Just because bro was a marine doesn't mean he wanted to fight and gang ups suck. That shit happened to me a few times on base. Anger counseling is crucial, airforce is usually chill 9-5ers..

Response by Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay made Mar 26 at 2016 2:17 PM

2016-03-26T14:17:04-04:00

I heard this on the TV series "Daredevil" - Even Lucifer was once an angel. It's best to leave Vengeance and Judgement to God.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Mar 29 at 2016 4:00 PM

2016-03-29T16:00:51-04:00

Bar fight and there is no point in trying to reason with a drunk, because it always end up in a fight. Now the Marine Veteran needs to fight back in the courts and through the AF investigations. Kick Ass.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 1 at 2017 7:59 PM

2017-06-01T19:59:16-04:00

Let them serve the rest of their time on a Marine Base

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Jun 11 at 2017 5:51 PM

2017-06-11T17:51:11-04:00

IMO what really bothers me wasn't that it was an airmen and his buddy who blindsided a Marine, the fact that it was an ACTIVE DUTY MEMBER JUMPING A VETERAN that makes my blood boil! We all raised our right hands, we all stated the same oath, we all cherish our Nation's principles. This is idiotic and a prime example of the younger generation's ignorance/disrespect to military history and traditions. Growing up, I would never even think to question an elder or veteran, now it seems to be a weekly occurrence.
Sad state of affairs, no pride, no integrity,
No Espirit De Corps- this has to stop NOW
S/F

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jun 11 at 2017 6:56 PM

2017-06-11T18:56:58-04:00

I maintain the greatest of respect for all My brothers and sisters that served in the US Armed Forces be it Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force or Coast Guard. I have a VA card but also a blue retired Military DD Form 2, Retired, ID card perhaps the guy that said He was in the Air Force was a fake ? If He wasn't then He should be ashamed of Himself and in any event deserves to go to jail.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2017 10:34 PM

2017-06-11T22:34:16-04:00

I actually called the Police Station, where one of their's and a Veteran harassed this 90 year old hero and I called them and told them that that officer should be ashamed and that veteran too. I felt guilty for what they did and for the mentally infirmed and real veterans, let's show the way. Let us be the ones to find solutions. I have no respect for people who know what they are doing, but a 90 year old/. Come on man, we ARE better than that. Let's not harass an old man whose medals were not in good order. Heck, I hope look as good as he did at that age.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 27 at 2018 1:04 PM

2018-05-27T13:04:34-04:00

Bars are trouble with goons looking for trouble.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2018 12:55 PM

2018-05-28T12:55:28-04:00

I feel it is time for service members to mind their own business, and leave people alone. There is a portion of the 1% that WILL NOT take these young testosterone filled punks crap, and they will seriously get hurt messing with the wrong one.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2018 4:30 PM

2018-05-30T16:30:07-04:00

Did they ever catch these turds?

Response by CPL Johnny Whalen made May 30 at 2018 11:44 PM

2018-05-30T23:44:29-04:00

Well thats the air force for ya. All book an no brains. I hope that dude gets throwed outta the air force tho. As a soldier of any sort you are to be at a level of professionalism at all times.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Sep 2 at 2018 4:26 PM

2018-09-02T16:26:50-04:00

I kind of wonder if this Airman was a fake Himself. There are all kinds of IDs active, Reserve or Guard, VA. The CAC, Common Access Card) card would only be for those still on active duty, Guard, Reserve, DOD civilian of Federal Contractor. I'm retired USAF,myself I have the blue retired DD Form 2AF (Ret) and also a VA ID card. Last time I had a CAC was as a Federal Contractor with the USAF, You don't get to keep those, when You leave the service, Federal employment or Federal Contract turn them in, they are Government property. You no longer have access to Government computers and don't need or are authorized to hold onto that card. Seems this so called Airman didn't know that which makes Me wonder about him. In any event He committed a crime of assault and battery.

Response by Cpl Christian Troy made Sep 2 at 2018 6:51 PM

2018-09-02T18:51:20-04:00

Let’s hope this Airman’s punishment includes Community Service at a local VA Hospital to learn some empathy.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Jan 30 at 2019 8:18 AM

2019-01-30T08:18:12-05:00

I can think a few Airman Soldiers and Marines that would like to show how far more dishonorable a beat down is than any case of stolen valor.
If tha man was really a faker, then you wouldn’t need help fighting him.

Response by SrA Marcus Frey made Jul 9 at 2019 2:29 PM

2019-07-09T14:29:19-04:00

As a Retired Air Force member and Disabled Veteran, I am appalled at the actions of this Rat Bastard of a Military Service Member. Myself, my Brother and my Father served Honorably and Faithfully... I feel this Airman should be Dishonorably Discharged for Conduct Unbecoming the Uniform and the Service he has disgraced. He has disgraced himself, the Uniform and yes, the Country he is supposed to Serve. I hate the rampant problems we have of people automatically assuming someone is a case of "Stolen Valor" , yes, there are cases of stolen valor, and most of those have been found out without conflict or injury. This Marine has been injured all over again from one or two stupid Individuals that do not deserve to wear the uniform. If I was on the Airman's Court Martial hearing, I would order that he forfeit any pay he is to receive for the next year or so that he will be serving either in Ft. Leavenworth, or in "CC" at his base until he is Booted out on his ass... and all monies he would receive should be placed in an account for the Marine who was attacked to help him cover whatever needs he has until he heals... I have No extra allegiance to the Air Force Uniform more than any other of our Armed Services Brother's and Sister's. Yes, I Loved my time in the Air Force, however, this Puke Stain needs to be made an example of.
I know that may sound like convoluted logic on some level. It is just my honest opinion, I would say the same if it was a Marine who attacked a Navy member. (Sorry, if I upset anyone about my opinion...)

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jul 15 at 2019 4:53 PM

2019-07-15T16:53:45-04:00

Unless their is income gained by the farce of stolen valor, it does not hurt me. To me someone who purports to be something he is not has a real self image issue. The dishonesty is driven by a sense of inferiority at a high level. If we attacked based on dishonesty on a regular basis, politicians who lie about substantive things would never be without bruises

Response by SFC Michael D. made Jul 17 at 2019 2:45 PM

2019-07-17T14:45:35-04:00

I’m kind of a mind my own business kind of guy. People who know me, know what I’ve done and where I’ve been. I don’t sit around telling war stories (there I was, knee deep in hand grenades, the enemy charging my position……..) When I hear others doing it, If I think it’s Bull Feces, I just keep it to myself. Who knows, maybe the guy did make a shot that bounced off a camel’s hump, hit the skid of a Huey and caught the enemy in the eye a mile and a half away. I don’t make it a point to care about what a wannbe says much less have a physical fight with them. Sounds like alcohol has a big play in this.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jul 17 at 2019 11:47 PM

2019-07-17T23:47:17-04:00

That sucks and the airman is a blight on our reputation.

Response by SrA Angel Rodriguez made Jan 9 at 2020 9:58 PM

2020-01-09T21:58:14-05:00

Was there ever any update on this?

Response by Maj Ron Johnson made Jul 16 at 2020 7:00 PM

2020-07-16T19:00:14-04:00

Hope they catch this ouch and give him a good blanket party

Response by 1st Lt Mark Marshall made Jul 23 at 2020 11:04 AM

2020-07-23T11:04:54-04:00

Here is a rash idea actually know what you are talking about before you attack someone and never from behind like a Little b$;@)! Be man enough to ask for an apology and take your lumps. The defense of the valor is in the integrity of the soldier and that does not require your offense.

Response by PO1 Carole Speese made Aug 23 at 2021 4:18 PM

2021-08-23T16:18:36-04:00

New version of hiding in plain sight..

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Nov 19 at 2021 11:47 AM

2021-11-19T11:47:58-05:00

The airman is a piece of shit. I was an Army grunt in Vietnam and I have a great deal of respect for the Marine Corps. We both did the same Shitty job. I hope that the Airforce prosicutes these idiots. I can't imagine an airman taking on a matine. I salute him for his service and the Corps.

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Jan 18 at 2022 6:40 PM

2022-01-18T18:40:44-05:00

I thank you for your service and I feel saddened you were attacked out of complete ignorance. What speaks volumes is the fact that you tried to avoid the situation. Unfortunately the Air Force and his buddy had to take on one person to prove they are men, they are not. You are the hero. Get well, stay strong.

Response by SPC Robert Coventry made Feb 24 at 2022 6:37 PM

2022-02-24T18:37:59-05:00

There really should be a way to prove your service, until I got my VA disability card 20% hearing I had no way to prove I was in, "just a vet that did 4 years"

Response by MSgt William Andujar made Dec 23 at 2022 10:37 AM

2022-12-23T10:37:10-05:00

We have cowards and jerks in every branch. Hope the Marine Vet hets better from his injuries and the perpetrators get caught.