Falsely claiming PTSD for VA benefits?

MSgt B Grimes — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:03:48 -0400

What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Jul 31 at 2020 12:10 PM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:10:17 -0400

Released from duty or released from the Army National Guard? What type discharge from Active Duty and the Army National Guard ?

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Jul 31 at 2020 12:11 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:11:56 -0400

There definitely needs to be a criminal investigation into this, sounds like the person played people as suckers. J S.

Response by SPC Saundra Teater made Jul 31 at 2020 12:25 PM

SPC Saundra Teater — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:25:19 -0400

Ptsd isn’t something you can cure. So yeah, investigate that

Response by SSgt Richard Kensinger made Jul 31 at 2020 12:25 PM

SSgt Richard Kensinger — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:25:43 -0400

As a clinician of 5 decades, here is my take. it sounds quite bogus to me. Most of the combat vets I've encountered are still quite traumatized despite treatment at a VAC. They affirm that they are more satisfied w/ physical care than psychological treatment. Their clinical presentation is quite complex.
If any of you are interested, I can send you copies of my published research. " [login to see] .
Rich

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jul 31 at 2020 12:40 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:40:50 -0400

It has always been my position that those who claim PTSD for a rating boost are pond scum, and those who claim it to get out of things are rancid poo stains. This condition painfully affects many in our Veteran community. False claims allocate resources to those who don't need it, overburdens the compensation funds causing "cost savings measures" to hurt others (such as refusing concurrent receipt for retirees under 50%), and causes social stigma for all Veterans in the workplace and society in general.
If you can prove this person is committing fraud then report them to the VA.
If you can't prove it but they are exploiting the system, take comfort that one day St Michael will put the POS on extra duty for eternity.

Response by SSgt Marvin Cole made Jul 31 at 2020 12:43 PM

SSgt Marvin Cole — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:43:17 -0400

Every veteran who has served in a combat zone suffers from PTSD at some level. Some very small, some very large.

Some Veterans bring their Anxieties and Mental Issues with them when they enter the military. The nature of Service Connected simply implies that whatever that person did in the Military resulted in less than maximum participation in the workforce.

It is way to complicated to find simple solutions. The process of obtaining a PTSD disability is strenuous and goes thru several level to ultimately reach the level of disability.

War Zones changes people.

I am 90% Service Connected, paid at 100% because I am unemployable. The process I went thru was filled with Psychiatrist, Psychologist, and Counseling visits. Immensely helpful. I function well today, because I do not have to worry about finances. I do not have to worry about medical care. I do not believe I could do it without my VA disability.

You cannot always tell what's in a book by it's cover. Judging others without the benefit of all the information is just rumor mongering and just being a busy body. The professionals in the VA have done their job! None of us, should judge them without having the proper credentials.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 12:56 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:56:30 -0400

Possibly serves one overseas tour on active duty?
Do you not know? Or are you assuming that he could be lying about a deployment?
Bringing up a PTSD claim upon notification of deployment in the Guard sounds like trying to get out of a deployment.
If it took 12 years of filing to get the VA rating, it sounds like his paperwork had a lot of holes in it.

The VA does catch these people after the fact, if someone points it out.
If he is charged and found guilty of making false statements in order to get VA compensation, he could face up to five years in federal prison and up to a $250,000 fine, and obviously get his 100% payments cancelled.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jul 31 at 2020 1:43 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:43:25 -0400

No offense but there is certainly a lot of he said, she said, and speculation. As for PTSD, many pepp op or are affecting by things in life differently. It could be that he made up stories about his experience in order to justify his level of PTSD, not wishing to admit that the environment itself got to him. As for telling his family one thing only to recant is a classic sign that he may be dealing with deeper issues, I.e. there is nothing wrong with me, you have nothing to fear I mad me it all up. This is done, in some instances, to take the concern from the family. As for not taking meds, that too is a common issue.

The psychologists at the VA have the distinct advantage of accessing his entire military and medical record, they know where he was, for how long, and in most cases what he experienced.

If he is legit, then his Family should ask to attend a family counseling session with the VA in order to learn how to support him, he’ll he is troubled either way, PTSD or not. So money aside he needs help. Also, the VA reassess all levels of compensation about every five years until about 55. They will also review over 55 if the condition is one that is thought to be repairable. So, if he is a fraud he will be found out, and removed or reduced.

So my first thought would be the benefit of the doubt, if he won’t attend a family session, I recommend his loved ones seek counseling and read up on how to help and cope with him. Soldiers are very adapt at masking their feelings. God Bless.

Response by SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield made Jul 31 at 2020 1:51 PM

SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:51:15 -0400

Every person that has served in the military suffers from some form of ptsd, you don't have to have combat, combat makes it worse. Being separated from you family, screamed at constantly, if you are in a terrible unit many things cause ptsd because the are people that never served in the military have ptsd.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 3:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:03:53 -0400

Sad, but all to frequent.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jul 31 at 2020 4:24 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:24:26 -0400

PTSD is a psychological problem, so I'm not qualified to say if a person has it. You may not be either. Possibly it can be cured or come and go. I don't know, so it makes resolving the entire situation you lay out impossible for me and possibly difficult for a mental health professional.
As far as fraudulent enlistment goes, I think that ship sailed when the Soldier was discharged from the Guard. If you truly believe the soldier if defrauding the VA, contact the VA Inspector General. Be sure to have all of your facts together and documented as well as you can. Only way I can think of for the situation to go anywhere.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 4:41 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:41:34 -0400

Why do you care? How does this affect you personally?

Also PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder...so anyone can suffer from it if they suffered from trauma. If one is in a serious car accident, sexual assault, etc, you can get PTSD. Childhood abuse, domestic violence. The list goes on. People need to stop thinking you only get PTSD in combat.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Jul 31 at 2020 5:14 PM

SP5 Peter Keane — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:14:28 -0400

While sitting around waiting for a VA decision, I used to go and read Court of Veteran Appeals decisions. Back about 2004, a fellow that had spent 1 enlistment at Ft Ord illlustrating combat manuals was awarded 100% PTSD. The Regional offices of the VA operate as independently as they can get away with.

Response by SSG Elyzabeth Cromer made Jul 31 at 2020 5:27 PM

SSG Elyzabeth Cromer — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 17:27:57 -0400

One does not just get "released" from the Guard. He was either discharged for the crime of threatening to kill his team members or he was medically discharged mental health reasons. If the discharge was based on criminal reasons that would explain why it took 12 years for his VA claim, because before his claim could be processed his discharge would have to be upgraded. If it was for mental health reasons, it was probably lack of follow through and not turning in paperwork on time.
As prior service you can join with an existing condition, (even if you forget to tell the recruiter as long as you do not intentionally conceal it). If he had a mental health condition that hadn't caused problems between his service and joining the Guard and that would have been waived if noted in his paperwork that is not a fraudulent enlistment. (PTSD can lay dormant and be triggered by seemingly unrelated incidents so that MAY be the case here.)
You say he lied to his family about having been a heroic sniper and expressed concern that he may have lied to the VA psychologist as well in order to get his rating. Unlike his family the VA can access his military records, and incidents of that nature would be verified. His disability does not sound like it is 100% for PTSD; it sounds as if he has a partial PTSD rating combined with something for a physical issue, (the usual things are tinnitus/hearing loss and back pain caused by service injury) that causes him to be unemployable and that is how he is getting 100%.
Is this fraud? Not in any technical sense of the word. So no, the VA is not going to spend resources trying to do anything about it. They have too few people to waste their time on a maybe case.
If you wonder what makes me qualified to speak on this matter; I was in charge of the MMRB's (medical boards) for the VTARNG for several years, I also was responsible for The MEB/PEB process and I developed Vermont's MAR2 program. While in the Reserves I was a Unit Administrator and I spent my teenage years helping my Father (a retired DAV Service Officer) prepare cases. The details about fraudulent enlistment are information I know from having to consult with the JAG and the IG on cases. I hope this answered your questions.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 31 at 2020 10:50 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 22:50:08 -0400

Anyone witnessing a traumatic act can develop PTSD,, just look at 1st responders. It does sound very fishy, but PTSD is never cut and dried. It is possible that fraud occurred, trick is going to be finding someone to prove it.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Jul 31 at 2020 11:11 PM

GySgt Gary Cordeiro — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 23:11:46 -0400

Throw him under the bus.

Response by CPO Nate S. made Aug 1 at 2020 10:52 AM

CPO Nate S. — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 10:52:17 -0400

I just spent the last 45 minutes or so reading the various posts in this thread. And perhaps slightly longer writing this response in between coffee breaks chatting with my wife and playing with our 'needy' 2.5 yr old Huskie.

First, great topic and some very interesting and thoughtful responses on the whole.

First, my wife who is also USN (Ret) worked at the Navy's Drug and Alcohol Rehab Center at NOB, Norfolk for 3-yrs. I was aboard ship during the time. We did not often speak of work, but when we did the conversations were interesting. She once told me of a story of high performing yet borderline alcoholic USAF Officer what had been sent to the center by his command for treatment. Long story short one day the Officer finally broken down about a traumatic event in his youth. Accordingly, he had shut the room up and his fellow "recoveries" listened intently.

His story was a story of misplaced discipline that did not allow for love or measured compassion. It is a classic story of a desire for a father (aka male role model) to be hard nosed and never show an ounce of care for fear of being seen as weak. A fear he passed to his son by suppressing his (that is his son's) desire for joy in his life, because perhaps their had been no joy in his own. The USAF Officer had risen to Major with early selection at each opportunity to advance, according to my wife. But, this gentleman was troubled and haunted by his youth. As my wife told of his story I could not help but think about our two small children at the time, especially my son, who was younger than his sister by a couple of years. I could not help but understand how important being both firm yet loving is a tight rope every parent walks and prays that even a gentle breeze does not plunge them into oblivion. This USAF Officer could no longer hide his alcohol dependence or the tell-tale signs it was leaving. Someone in his chain of command exercised a level of compassion to help him save himself - from himself. The one thing this USAF Officer wanted most was for his father to fly a kite with him. Simple, one would think. Paper, balsa wood and string and perhaps some ribbon for a tail. Fairly inexpensive activity.

Yet, can we call a "no joy" on this one? This built up and built up until the Officer's capacity to suppress and repress the impact of the act of rejection was beginning to overwhelm him and impact his otherwise superior sustained performance. The solution to getting this Officer back on track was simple and elegant. His fellow participants were so moved they asked my wife to lobby for them to be able to all go to Virginia Beach to surprise him and fly kites. Typically, this was not protocol. But, in typical fashion my wife, typically a tough lady, showed her often guarded softer side by convincing the counseling staff that it made sense as part of the healing process to get an official bus to that that class to the beach. So, on a Friday afternoon in late October on a somewhat deserted beach with a 15 mph breeze blowing across the sand this group of vulnerable people took their classmate out for a day none would soon forget and from which all would reveal and heal in ways they did not realize they would. Unknown to the Officer the men and women, black and white, enlisted and officer alike boarded a 40 pack bus to the beach as part of a "planned activity" for that group. Only the USAF Officer did not know it was ALL for him.

The bus had been pre-loaded the night before with kites so that the person in question had no idea they were even their. Coolers of drinks (water, soda, tea) had been loaded before dawn. Boxes of lunches were loaded just after dawn just as the "students" were waking. By 07:30 all were up and by 08:00 all were headed to breakfast at the beach. Arrangements had been made to get them feed, not at the chow hall, but near the beach.

After breakfast around 10:00 am the supposed activity was to go to the beach and just walk. Some of the participants simply made sure the Officer was surround by people while others got out the kites. Then the surprise was exposed when he saw people bringing kites of all shapes and sizes to fly. For nearly six hours he flew kites to his great joy. A hole had been filled in his heart and spirit that had been filled by his own father. My wife said that this group came together and stuck together not only through the remainder of their treatment process, but were one of the strongest post treatment groups in her three+ years of her service as an intake specialist.

Why tell this story? Simple...take a moment to also read this article 25 Jul 2020 article entitled - How PTSD can look like Borderline Personality Disorder, by Christine Hammond, MS, LMHC. This 31 Jul 2020 article entitled - CPTSD, PTSD, OCD and Trauma: How Creating Boundaries Will Set You Free, by Jenna Grace may also be helpful to some.

During my time as a Navy Corpsman, especially being a Chief, some fellow sailors from my commands were sent to my wife. My COs were glad I had that in. I cannot begin to recount the stories we now talk about more freely than we did on AD, for obvious reasons. But, there was many a day after duty when she would come home and I knew she was tired, but a sort of happy tired. A tired you get when you have allow the human condition to work on the gentle cycle to wash just the dirt out of good clothes.

Also, there is an emerging body of research regarding ACES (Adverse Childhood Experiences). This involves issue of child abuse in many forms from cruel emotional events to the deflowering of innocence, usually at the hands of adults, but also at the hands of under-aged bullies, thugs really. See the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/acestudy/index.html) to 'begin' to understand the ACES issue. Also, search PubMed if you want to begin to understand the cross and intersections that such events heap long term on our young. A study of ACES does not a lack of discipline, in fact it requires self-discipline to instill proper discipline in a manner the mitigates ACES and growth strong, healthy and resilient human beings.

All in all, there are those whose minds and hearts are 'nefarious' by nature and will do that which does not hold them accountable either to themselves or to others. But, what can do is to try to make the system holds them accountable both to themselves and to others. That is why I appreciate that SSgt Richard Kensinger regarding his "5 decades...of clinical..." experience. Each person's reflections in this post are valid and are presented from a "...certain point of view...." Yet, as true as what SSgt Marvin Cole when he says that "...War Zones changes people..." so do operations in peace time. What about flight operations when a rooter from a CH-53 spins off cutting the unsuspecting sailor in half. The trauma this "peacetime" event can cause, if left unchecked can be hard to deal with. That is why what SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield was so important to read.

But, the Socratic Method, is critical, because we know that there are those well practiced who would, as easily as those that have "Stolen Value" only to puff themselves up will take from those deserving to attempt to give to themselves something they don't deserve and have never earned - honor!

So this tread, so far, has been the kind of post that demonstrates measured response and consideration from multiple vectors. I think 3e5x1-engineering is very wise in her statement when she said:

"...PTSD does not require more than a second of an event and it doesn’t matter if you never fire your weapon, or even have a weapon for that matter. PTSD can occur for a host of reasons, combat is just one example..."

In my current work as a Data Scientist and Research Specialist I read and review all sorts of vetted articles and research materials on PTSD and other topics specific to veterans and their families for the training my company develops for commercial healthcare. This provides me an interesting view on the world and topics, like PTSD. It also happens my sister is trained in psychology and sociology and was an Army wife for 20 yrs until her husband got stupid. She served, as a DoD civilian, in front-line operations to support the troops that also included 5 yrs in the 'green zone'. She is in the desert now as I type this response. We get to have many conversations including one just a few days ago. One the outside she is hard, but a softer more gentle spirit you will not find. She may come across like a drill Sargent, but like my wife of > 40 years she reads things well and take no crap, especially when the sly are trying to BS her. That brings me to this final point.

I believe CSM Darieus ZaGara is onto something by reminding us that...:

"...The psychologists at the VA have the distinct advantage of accessing his entire military and medical record, they know where he was, for how long, and in most cases what he experienced...."

What is important now is that we heed what SSG Trevor S. has shared...:

"...False claims allocate resources to those who don't need it, overburdens the compensation funds causing "cost savings measures" to hurt others (such as refusing concurrent receipt for retirees under 50%), and causes social stigma for all Veterans in the workplace and society in general..."

In the end, the fraud of the 10% hurts the care needed by 90% and impacts 100% of the population! Mental health is a true double-edge sword - With it applied in proper measure we begin to solve 'real issues', but when it is misused either by the individual or at a societal level we actually create a multiplying negative effect.

SSG Smith also make a critical observation when he says...:

"...If you can prove this person is committing fraud then report them to the VA..."

But, one has to be wrapped real tight and such 'documentation' has to be carefully recorded and corroborated. Think of it this way, it takes at least TWO 'honest' eye-witnesses to make a recommendation for the MOH. Before the MOH is awarded the investigation is intense because the 'worthiness' to have such an honor bestowed is weighed and measured with great intensity!!!

So, MSgt B Grimes, I am just an old Navy Chief 'Doc', what do I know? If you are concerned carefully write up your 'evidence'. Present it on draft paper as you would as if you are briefing the CO after a careful investigation that he has asked you to examine. I am sure you have been in such a position before. This gives you a chance to reflect on what is taking place. Speak to both facts 'in evidence' and the facts that right now - only seem to be conjecture.

I agree with CSM Darieus ZaGara when he says...:

"...If he is legit, then his Family should ask to attend a family counseling session with the VA in order to learn how to support him,..." Furthermore, he is correct that "...if he won’t attend a family session, I recommend his loved ones seek counseling and read up on how to help and cope with him. Soldiers (aka military types in general) are very adapt at masking their feelings...."

If his family, who should know his character, is not trusting his bloviating story about his exploits, then tread carefully. He may need help, but he needs to see he needs help. A 2006 movie called "Home of the Brave" staring Samuel L. Jackson, speaks to issues that may be germane here. If you have not watched it watch. While it is 'Hollywood' it is interesting and informative.

Finally, keep in mind that many who have not served find what many have given in the service to our country is often beyond their comprehension or belief. Perhaps, that is because they have never chosen to test themselves in the crucibles of military service - in or out of a war zone. That is not to say their experiences are less or more, they are just different and like ours have to be respected with the benefit of the doubt - until proven otherwise. That does not mean not holding someone accountable, rather it means the opposite in being accountable!

As you give counsel to his family, remind, them that if he has committed a genuine fraud that he remains a human being who will require their support. They don't have to excuse his behavior, rather they have to work to help him accept accountability and seek to get at the root cause of the need to perpetrate such an act. It is a narrow path you are considering walking. Once you have started down that path there is no turning back.

If this person has 'delusions of grandeur' then as CSM ZaGara said "...if he is a fraud he will be found out...." Our jobs as senior enlisted are complexly simple or simply complex. Who would have thought?

I'll leave you with this...:

Imagine this is your younger brother or sister that you have grown up with. How would you break them down so that you could build them up to be stronger and more honest? What would you consider and why? From what position do you want to help your sibling - legalistic or compassionate or some combination of both?

Doing the right thing is ALWAYS hard. But knowing that it is RIGHT is ALWAYS the hardest and fraught with doubt!!!

The question is ... Are you willing to go the distance and be their on the other side when this human-being will need you the most and at their most vulnerable point? (OR) Is what you are asking a matter that you see to correct what appears to be fraud, that is actually fear manifested in stories the "story teller" cannot now take back or control, for fear of being discovered as a fraud? Remember.....:

Never allow the 'real valor' of those humble who don't voice it in bloviation to be stolen, and never allow those with a tendency for such bloviation the opportunity to steal the humble valor of those so blessed by such courage and grace. Yet, give the bloviator the opportunity to seek forgiveness and ask for honest non-judgmental - help to hold them accountable, if they are prepared to do the hard work - to heal!

In any event, just some old Navy guy's thoughts.......

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Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Aug 1 at 2020 1:21 PM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 13:21:25 -0400

I'm not a psychiatrist, but infantrymen can be deployed for on tour and found combat is not what he is about. Those people are likely be the one that have been impress with CODs and the like. Especially, if he has been near a blast to receive a shock-wave. This is similar to NFL athletes receiving severe concussion. See Mohamed Ali's last interview. These cause TBI and can later develop PTSD. PTSD may not be just combat, but also from interaction with people, peers, chain of command, subordinates, such as hazing, racism, prejudice, favoritism, harassment, betrayal, abuse. The matter is if any event or events effect an individual emotion severely or prolong exposure to bad stress situation can turn into PTSD. Our nature is to survive the next event from what has happened before. It's more like a preprocessor in computer operating system software. It is hard to prove or disprove PTSD only long term observation. PTSD is a narrow condition. As long as there is no similar event an individual seems find until there is a similar event occurs, then he/she becomes unstable and can act irrationally. "A thousand-yard stare" is a form of PTSD also. These Soldiers are numb emotionally, but aggressive in present of danger. They are likely to act according to combat drill and what their brains learnt from previous events.

By the way, just because he is crazy doesn't mean he is stupid.

This is my conclusion from all the reading and learning about psychology researches and curriculum at USF. VA.gov has a repository website dedicates to all studies and researches on TBI and PTSD. It is an opensource accredited actual published studies and researches and Office of Researches and Development/VA.gov.

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Aug 1 at 2020 5:29 PM

SSG Bill Moore — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 17:29:57 -0400

There's a big broad desert out there for shit bags. I'm sure the mob would know of a few clean spots

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2020 3:30 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 15:30:28 -0400

Just one of many many stories that are very similar. I know Guardsman who never saw any type of combat deployment and recieve 80% disability. Oh did I mention they work for the VA as a rater. I just retired after34 years serving 3 combat tours and am struggling to get more than 20% with proven mental health service connected conditions. The ones who earned it struggle the ones who didn't learned how to manipulate the system. It sickens me. I just had an Uncle who passed away who was a helicopter door gunner in Vietnam where the mortality rate for that job was 80% and who witnessed horrors that others couldn't even comprehend and he never got a nickle from the VA and he certainly suffered from PTSD. Its an unjust and unfair process.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Aug 4 at 2020 11:09 PM

PFC Lisa McDonald — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 23:09:31 -0400

I have PTSD in my mental health record and they will not comp it. But you can look in my record and clearly see an incident I am comped for that anyone with a brain would see as a cause for ptsd and other mental health issues.
The VA psychologist don't like me because I won't play their transgender and lgbt crap so they punish me for it.
I quit going to VA mental health over their homophobic and transphobic plus patient rights to self-autonomy violating lgbt crap! Not everyone identifies with the lgbt labels or group and the mental health industry and media have lied their behinds off to the public about what is really going on!

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Aug 8 at 2020 11:37 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 23:37:32 -0400

Hello, the soldier can anyone even know about PTSD Just that their life is F up to function.
That you have things burned into your brain. You might have PTSD. What it sounds like to me
is your spending all your time minding his.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Aug 25 at 2020 12:50 AM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:50:26 -0400

During Desert One, female officers were housed in Kobar...nice facilities and all. What could go wrong? This was before the missiles. Within a few days of my wife’s billeting there, she discovered females needed to barricade their doors. It wasn’t the Saudis. It was the Americans. She handled it but was called to help the younger women traumatized within just a few nights. So debilitating PTSD after just a few days is probable. I’m still dealing (better) with one particular mortar and assault attack from 1970 but it’s taken a long time.

Response by SGT Jon Hunter made Aug 29 at 2020 11:59 AM

SGT Jon Hunter — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:59:41 -0400

I'm curious what relationship this soldier is to you. How is this guy's history important? What specifically is your interest in all of the issues mentioned?

Response by SGT Jon Jenkins made Aug 30 at 2020 10:45 AM

SGT Jon Jenkins — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:45:58 -0400

I have heard people planning on “faking it” to get the disability so they can ride the system. Problem is is that it’s a psychological issue and there is no real way to prove whether someone is lying or not. Say it goes before a court, that soldier could claim he was trying to de-escalate his “condition” for the sake of his family or so he could get a job etc. I think it’s hoursehit guys like that exist but we all know that one guy that was in our unit that did everything they could to work the system. Getting out of deployments, general duties, etc. Show of hands on how many people k ow someone that magically became Muslim prior to a combat deployment and couldn’t go fight their “brothers”? Or came out as homosexual (back when DADT got you out of the military in 3 days)? But back on topic... there are always going to be soldiers that will do whatever they can to use the system to their benefit which unfortunately takes resources from those that need them but they don’t care, because they are getting what they wanted.

Response by SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy made Aug 30 at 2020 3:27 PM

SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:27:15 -0400

Stay in your lane, you're not a Doc nor can you claim to be able to diagnose anything. If the VA decided, after 12 years, that this member has PTSD and is entitled to benefits, then that is the VAs decision, and that's as far as it goes.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Aug 30 at 2020 5:08 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:08:30 -0400

Many false claims are never investigated apparently. Unfortunately PTSD is a mental health condition and some folks can fake it. The false statements about his service to family should bring investigation into his disability claims.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2020 7:00 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:00:09 -0400

Going to play devil’s advocate here. What if the person was a victim of MST? Perhaps this Veteran is stating a lot of lies and different things in order to simply avoid the real issue that he is suffering from, and perhaps does not want the truth to be out there.

The Original Poster mentioned multiple times “never fires his weapon in combat” or “never fires his weapon in actual combat”. That does not mean anything at all towards PTSD and really shows a different agenda or disposition from the original poster. This type of thinking really should stop. pTSD can come from any event and triggers one person different than what it can trigger another person. Judging someone that has PTSD by your own definition of what PTSD seems to be in your eyes is a really bad idea and bordering on toxic like behavior. It’s unfortunate because the mentality of quite a few people is “if you did not go to combat, you can’t claim PTSD”. It’s a very incorrect statement.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2020 7:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:51:06 -0400

If he lied about being a sniper I would question if he was really in the Infantry? Having been to Iraq multiple times as an Infantryman, and fired my weapon in combat, I've never claimed PTSD, though I probably have it little.
Unfortunately PTSD is being pushed by professionals and abused by servicemen. We have lowered the standards and made it popular to claim it. It's become easily abused for many reasons, such as, Disability, deployments, bragging, excuses, victimhood...

Before getting jumped on me for my opinion, I'm not saying people don't have it, or denying how they got it. Just that it is being pushed and abused by a large percentage of servicemen.

Response by SMSgt John Lemon made Aug 30 at 2020 9:02 PM

SMSgt John Lemon — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 21:02:49 -0400

I would say, as a retired PI, that this guy has all the signs of one who is trying the game the VA for benefits that he has not earned. For those of us who have done five or more tours to the sandbox, who actually have PTSD, this makes it difficult for others to claim the benefit because the VA then looks at all of us in a critical light. The VA under Trump has been more proactive in investigating those who try to defraud the VA with stolen honor and fraudulent claims. Perhaps those who are so inclined will think twice before thinking that the VA is an easy get rich scheme.

Response by Sgt Andrew McFall made Aug 31 at 2020 7:20 AM

Sgt Andrew McFall — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:20:35 -0400

In the case presented here, I would recommend a reduction to whatever is in the original decision from VA, and restitution for everything else, the same way they go after fraudulent welfare recipients. The burden of proof will be the hard part. The standing literature says that symptoms can sometimes take decades to even begin to appear, and that there is no "cure". On top of that, the VA states that the disability benefits are supposed to cover anything " ... caused, or aggravated, by military service...".

The Social Security Administration has different ways of doing things. The general expectation is that once you are awarded SSDI, you don't ever work again, because you can only make so much per month, and going beyond that amount gives the impression that you are no longer impaired, even though it is possible to secure a livable wage, and STILL be impacted by PTSD. As for the weapons issue, the threat of harm to federal employees is a felony in and of itself (activated ANG members are federal employees for the time they are on duty). A conviction on this count alone would carry a weapons condition along with it.

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Aug 31 at 2020 3:17 PM

SPC Albert Schafer — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 15:17:11 -0400

When I first got married the State of Ohio awarded a payment of around $170.00 to every serviceman and woman who served during the Viet Nam War. I never made it to Viet Nam but served in Korea and the Dominican Revolution... I made the mistake of mentioning it to my Dad during a trip to visit my family in Michigan.. Never thought twice that he would have the reaction he had? I don't think I ever saw him so mad.. He believed that I had accepted money from the government under false pretenses... and had no right to that money...
He had served in the Construction Battalions of the U.S. Navy during WW II. The SeaBees were absorbed into the U.S. Navy later in the war but he was a Civilian serving the Navy building runways in the Marianna Islands... I never even knew he was a SeaBee and he NEVER talked about it... Never.
My Dad would never have ever taken any money from the VA unless he lost his leg in service and I believe it would have had to be BOTH legs... Most honorable man I have ever knew...
He worked for Otis Elevator for most of his life and was know to pick a job clean of scrap wire at clean up time. I never knew why until after he died.... Every weekend we would build a fire and toss all the insulated copper wire into the fire to burn the rubber off and then hit the pile with ball bats to separate the copper out.... then is would disappear. Never knew what he did with it until his funeral.. Ten percent of the church was filled with Nuns from a Detroit convent. He took the copper and sold it to a scrapyard and gave the money to the nuns... He did that for decades...
They told the story his generosity and effort at the church.. He was the best self-made engineer and mechanic I ever met.... I never he knew the stories of him because he never bragged about his service time... he was self made and self reliant....
Any one who falsely claims damages for fabricated injuries should be hit in the head with a hammer.
Rat bastards is what they are....
Leave the money for the soldiers that need and deserve it... isn't a day goes by that I don't think of him.

Response by LCpl Rich Vail made Aug 31 at 2020 6:14 PM

LCpl Rich Vail — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:14:42 -0400

1st response, take his sorry ass out and shoot him. End of problem...
...2nd pass, report him to a US Atty for prosecution for fraud.

Response by SPC Gloria Anderson made Aug 31 at 2020 10:31 PM

SPC Gloria Anderson — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:31:36 -0400

100% agree.

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Sep 1 at 2020 1:00 AM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 01:00:52 -0400

Stand down bro. Not your place. Just concentrate on your stuff.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 9:13 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 09:13:06 -0400

Why not just mind your own business?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2020 12:10 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 00:10:53 -0400

Like the SSgt said PTSD doesn't come from just combat or have to do with having a gun. Fact is your probably right and he is conning the govt and taking away benefits from those that truly deserve it. I don't care if the person had issues prior to enlisting, he shouldn't receive jack; but that is not what the military follows. Trouble is the military has "left" so many loopholes for everything; you can literally go through basic and get to A school and start seeing a doctor and know exactly what to say or not to say thanks to the DSM that they post everywhere. Or just google PTSD symptoms. Medical is not going to oppose it, why would they? Risk backlash? NO ONE in the chain wants a black mark for questioning anything to do with HIPAA or PII these days, everyone has their hands tied so tight it's got ridiculous. Mental health is like a buzz word for 'leadership' these days, everythings about mental health and suicide awareness, emails, town hall meetings etc. I have a E8 that regular sends out posts and emails about suicide awareness, its only for show, so the guy signing his fitrep can see what a stellar leader he is. He doesn't care at all, I know he told me. People like that make me sick, but its what the military has become, we have lost sight of what matters and people use the 'rules/unwritten law' to their benefit. Which is why I can't wait to retire.

Response by 1SG Joseph Schicker made Sep 2 at 2020 9:42 AM

1SG Joseph Schicker — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 09:42:06 -0400

I see it all the time at the VA, Soldiers I even deployed with that did not see any combat, any disturbing sites, stayed on the FOB there whole tour and b they are 100 percent PTSD. I’ve even written sworn statements about the Soldiers experiences and it did no good. The command did everything in there b power to stop this madness but it always ends up with the VA team that they had, the teams at the VA are under a lot of pressure due to a lack of knowledge of the individual Soldier experience in the combat zone. So it ends up the benefit of the doubt going to the Soldier either because there compensation hearing was done by a civilian doctor whole has no experience and looks at the note right before seeing the Soldier for the first time it’s very sad. Need a team of specialist, Veterans who were there and know how to read personal file, medical providers that are qualified in PTSD, and a change of the rating system. I wish I could be on that team to make sure my brothers and sisters are getting what they need financially and medically. Thanks 1SG (Ret) joseph schicker

Response by PO3 Mark C. made Sep 2 at 2020 8:01 PM

PO3 Mark C. — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 20:01:53 -0400

I can appreciate many of the comments stating that PTSD is as difficult to define as there are circumstances and I feel an opinion about a right or wrong claim is not for me to offer. As a non-combatant 100%er who has benefited from the evaluation and extended treatment provided by the VA, I have witnessed a wide spectrum of my fellow group participants degrees of PTSD expressed, but that doesn't qualify me to say if it's real. What I can say is that many of us have worked very hard, while living with symptoms of PTSD, to reach a point of quality life and that is what is real to us.

To think that you can declare yourself "cured", declining to participate in treatment for what has been claimed as severe debilitation and then going about your day, as though nothing happened to you or others around you that also suffered from your condition, is one response. Although that behavior does seems suspect, I can also claim that I went through an extended period of denial about my PTSD before I was willing to make the necessary commitment for admission and change.

In the end, my concern is more about the unimaginable number of us who came home in less than one piece and either don't know it and/or don't know how to live with it. Where is it a valid concern that someone might game the system for their personal benefit, my focus is to participate in services, like Veterans Court, that can really make a difference in helping; first to identify negative behavior that is unique to service members as a result of their PTSD and then ultimately offering to guide them to treatment and a productive future.

Bottom line? Focus on healing yourself so that you can be of continuing service to others. Your pledge does not end with your tour.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Walker made Sep 2 at 2020 9:18 PM

Cpl Benjamin Walker — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 21:18:18 -0400

MSgt Brendon Grimes, How are you or I qualified to make that call?

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Sep 3 at 2020 12:50 AM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 00:50:25 -0400

Good win for our bros dealing with hidden scars.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Sep 3 at 2020 11:47 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 11:47:41 -0400

If you think he is committing fraud, contact the VA OIG and report it. they will investigate this. If they find it to be true they will take actions.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Sep 3 at 2020 3:56 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 15:56:48 -0400

just kinda sounds like you don't have any time for anyone who has mental health needs... like a sorry leader. You have mental health issues, you were born with them. We all do, that's why we're all different. The way we deal with things is all different. Who cares what that SM says to the therapist or been overseas or not. I've never been in the Navy but have the anxiety of being on a boat and drowning is my biggest fear. Fear keeps us alive, anxiety weighs us down

Response by CPT David Fero made Sep 3 at 2020 4:36 PM

CPT David Fero — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 16:36:09 -0400

I do exams for VA for Mental Health and have for many years. The claims file information is rather complete allowing some investigation by the examiner. I personally feel that persons claiming PTSD who did not experience trauma are disrespecting those who did experience trauma and have legitimately been "injured". Unfortunately contractors are handling most exams and are not experienced and have not served and try to get the Veteran out the door in a short time and don't do the thorough investigation because they are in it for the money.

Response by SPC Juan Arevalo made Sep 3 at 2020 9:33 PM

SPC Juan Arevalo — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 21:33:30 -0400

So your telling me if they are shot at but never fire a weapon that qualifies as faking it?

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 4 at 2020 10:06 AM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 10:06:11 -0400

I was not in combat. I do not have PTSD. I did experience anxiety for several years based on the constant briefings regarding the IEDs that were going to blow every one of us to pieces. Every day, several times per day. Afterwards, if I found myself in congested traffic I would almost hyperventilate. It got better as time went on.
My point is that having never fired a weapon in combat isn't an automatic dis qualifier for PTSD.
I'm not sure why you are taking point on trying to bust his bubble. Does his diagnosis of PTSD take away from you somehow? What do you have at stake in his story?

Response by SPC Joshua Kosel made Sep 4 at 2020 11:08 AM

SPC Joshua Kosel — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 11:08:47 -0400

You should contact the Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA) they’re the ones who handle benefits and claims.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Sep 4 at 2020 6:21 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 18:21:27 -0400

If this is true this individual needs to be investigated for fraud.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2020 8:24 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 20:24:16 -0400

I’m service connected with major depressive disorder, PTSD, migraines and am now undergoing additional assessment for a TBI. I served in the most deployed division in the army and was constantly on the go, enduring extreme abuse from toxic command and being forced to drive unsafe vehicles that needed to be pulled from the line to which I have been both dragged out of and hit my head off the turret about a dozen times. I’ve never been to a combat zone. It’s easy to judge without all the information. What I will say is in order to even get an official ptsd diagnosis under the va and with a high percentage its a heavily vetted process and very hard to bullshit.

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Sep 5 at 2020 1:04 AM

SGT Michael Hearn — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 01:04:06 -0400

There can also be classified tours not on the 6 o'clock news, JUDGE NOT BE NOT JUDGED

Response by LTC David Howard made Sep 5 at 2020 8:26 AM

LTC David Howard — Sat, 05 Sep 2020 08:26:46 -0400

If the question is really whether or not PTSD can be faked, I would say that the answer is yes. Most medical diagnoses are based upon objective data, but not all fall into this category. The classic example is complaints of back pain. Often nothing shows on x-rays and other tests, yet that alone does not "prove" that the person is lying when they claim to be suffering this pain. Psychological ailments, including PTSD are even harder to definitively diagnosis with certainty, especially when their is a possibility that the individual is motivated to get that diagnosis for whatever reasons. Early in my military service, at the height of the Vietnam War, more than a few soldiers were able to get discharged right from Basic Training based upon questionable psychiatric conditions. Fortunately, the average draftee believed that the Army psychiatrists were very skilled at spotting fakes and thus did not even try this route, but in fact, with the workloads they were handling, it was rather easy to fake mental illness to the psychiatrists and secure a discharge from active duty. I personally knew a psychiatrist who said he believed that any individual so desperate to avoid service as to fake mental illness was, by definition, mentally ill. Therefore, to him, it didn't matter whether the behavior and symptoms were real or faked since in either case he would do what was needed to get the soldier discharged from the service.

In the non military world, faking of mental illness is rampant and I am quite confident that a significant proportion of those people on full Social Security disability pay for mental illness are not actually mentally ill, but are lazy parasites content to live on a small income in return for not having to work at all.

It does not surprise me that there well may be some receiving disability pensions for PTSD that are not deserving of such. I doubt that the government cares enough about such fraud as to do anything meaningful to stop this behavior.

Response by Sgt Stephen Harris made Sep 7 at 2020 6:45 PM

Sgt Stephen Harris — Mon, 07 Sep 2020 18:45:21 -0400

I think most PTSD claims are fraudulent among civilians and servicemen . I`m sure there are those who will claim PTSD because a drill instructor screamed at them . A combat tour will change a man , but so will any experience we have in life . My heart goes out to the civilians who we subjected to 10 years of war and devastation ( I`m speaking of Vietnam ) and they don`t pity themselves with claims of PTSD . I only spent 2 years incountry and I would be ashamed to claim PTSD , though I still suffer from an easy startle response that some have made a joke of . I never explain the startle response--the war is my business only and I don`t want to dwell on it as I don`t dwell on any bad experience..
I have a special sympathy for those wounded in one of our unnecessary wars while our cowardly congressmen were so royal they couldn`t serve . The true PTSD victims--- how does a man explain his lost legs to himself if his war was fought for political posturing and phony " weapons of mass destruction " ? I also think military service should be a prerequisite for a congressman or president ---but that`s another subject.

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Sep 10 at 2020 7:40 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:40:13 -0400

PTSD CAN NOT BE CURED IT'S ALWAYS WITH YOU. IF HE IS IS CURED , THROW HIM JAIL FOR FRAUD

Response by SSgt George Wadsworth made Sep 21 at 2020 9:06 PM

SSgt George Wadsworth — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:06:11 -0400

I believe the defrauding of VA benefits you mention happens more times than not. It's also called malingering.
The following is not just my opinion but, fact:
POST 9/11 vets w PTSD have always had LOWEST number of deaths by suicide but, the highest number of VA PTSD grants. With the exception of Special Ops few Post 9/11 active duty saw or did anything that caused PTSD traits. Both IRAQ and AFGHAN Wars have the lowest wounded with Purple Hearts but, have filed for more VA disabilities than all of WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans combined.
14 of the 17 vets who Suicide on a daily basis are Over age 50 Most often Vietnam War Vets Not using the VA.

If DOD returned to proper mental health screenings of recruits for active duty, the DOD would eliminate much of the defrauding taking place now at this astronomical rate. This includes females who entered military service looking for discrimination and sexual harassment. (yes, this does happen as well)

WWII, Korean and Vietnam...etc., Veterans had far more success in transitioning and living a decent life WITHOUT VA PTSD CARE AND/OR VA DISABILITY CHECK. Past war Veterans actually dealt with unthinkable trauma and I’m positive they suffered but, most did find some peace and happiness.

Today there are many VSO's that have incredible Wash DC lobbying capabilities for increasing Post 911 Veterans VA benefits. These same VSO's will not help any WWII, Korean & Vietnam War Veterans even though they advertise to the general public that they are a non profit to assist Veterans and not specifying which group of Veterans they assist. (more defrauding of Americans)

Response by SGT Lori Adams made Sep 25 at 2020 1:40 AM

SGT Lori Adams — Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:40:01 -0400

I spent six months in the Domiciliary in GA. My Dr, the Director of the PTSD Program at the VA wanted to have me undergo a specific type of therapy and believed it to be too “difficult” for me to do as outpatient as I had just come out of the ICU from a suicide attempt and was now in the psych ward. I agreed to do inpatient in the DOM and while there I heard so many people practicing their upcoming VA exams. There was actually an employee there that would help coach you if he liked you.

My roommate, who saw me triggered, who experienced my nightmares and bursts of rage from nothing would always ask me questions about my PTSD from combat and personal trauma in the military. What was I thinking when this happened? How did this or that make me feel? In the beginning I thought she was just trying to understand me more so she could help if needed. Nope, I found she was taking my experiences and stories to the doctor to help her get PTSD in her records so she could apply for a VA rating.

It backfired on her because she didn’t realize we had the same doctor at the VA and the doctor told me what was going on.

It should be noted that my DOM roommate was in the psych ward at the same time as I was. I don’t know what she told them she needed to be there for but she told me she just didn’t like being home alone. When I told her I had to go to the DOM she asked what that was. I said I did not know. She left and returned a few minutes later and said that when you go to the DOM you automatically get 100%. Next thing I know she was asking to to there. The other vets would always tell her she was just there for the mo why and she would get mad. Make a big scene. But she really was.

Sadly, that only meant she went to the Vet Center and started over having all of the information and was able to use AmVets to file a claim for her. I later saw her at the VA with a dog and service dog vest. It tried to attack my SD. She was excited and said, “did you know you can just go online and buy a vest and send a picture of your dog and they will send you a service dog ID for your dog.”

So as much as I would like to say that yeah, this guy probably does have PTSD. Too many red flags in that story. He definitely has problems though.

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Sep 26 at 2020 11:09 AM

PFC Martin Potashner — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:09:32 -0400

my 201 file was supposed to have burned up in ST LOUIS

Response by Capt Robert Vincelette made Oct 7 at 2020 12:16 AM

Capt Robert Vincelette — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:16:18 -0400

I was in the Air Force from 1969 to 1975. When I was a child I was autistic and sent away to a detention home and psychiatric facility for two years and sent home declared cured. I did not mention this when I entered OTS. In S. E. Asia I worked as a navigator on C-130s and in live combat at a couple of airports in Vietnam I think I did very well knowing what to do and how to direct the pilot after takeoff during a shell attack in Kontum. They gave me a DFC. The evening after I ate at the officer's club at Tan Son Nhut and went to the movies to try to forget it because I had heard about PTSD and it sounded like a real drag. The movie featured someone throwing dynamite sticks at someone rowing a boat and reminded me of the shells going bang outside the airplane during takeoff. I do not believe I got any PTSD from that incident.
After the war ended I got laid off as a Captain and did poorly in the job market, eventually learning there is no such thing as a cure of autism. Eventually I graduated from the PhD program in math and physics from Delaware State University in 2009. I have taken the liberty of supplying upon request proof of the DFC (covering social security numbers to prevent identity theft) and the PhD and prefer anyone to whom I supply attachments of these documents verify which I think is easy to do with Randolph Air Force Base and I will sign anything needed for permission to release such records because I know many people falsely claim such things and I want to do my part to protect people from such fraud.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Oct 7 at 2020 9:40 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 09:40:07 -0400

In my case I think just dealing with the VA is a cause of PTSD !

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made Oct 7 at 2020 4:42 PM

SFC Erin Barnett — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:42:48 -0400

I get it and sympathize. Non-Combat PTSD is a challenge for me to grip as well, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. I know a guy that just really flipped out on the entire family separation thing, needless to say his marriage ended ugly and he refused to seek help. Trauma is defined as "a deeply distressing or disturbing experience". Even Civies are being diagnosed with it now days. Could he have faked it, sure, but he would have to have been really convincing to get it by the folks at the VA.

Response by SGT Stephen Locke made Oct 8 at 2020 12:06 PM

SGT Stephen Locke — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 12:06:37 -0400

Lemme see, 10% for PTSD; 10% for COPD. went through four (4) SRPs before being deployed and not a single problem. Blew my back out (L5,S1) and VA don't give a flying fuck because I could carry 20lbs ten feet. You tell me. And you KNOW that as soldiers, we try our hardest to Charlie Mike and do the best we can. And the prevailing knowledge was that you have to LIE to get anything from the VA. The VA even supported this. Meanwhile, Soldiers that don't lie and suffer through pain get shit. Oh, you want me to say it hurts if I feel a muscle tense up? That'll get me more money? And when things DO start going south, (other medical problems that aren't normal-thank you Iraq) you can't get re-evaluated.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Oct 8 at 2020 2:53 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 14:53:00 -0400

Concealed weapons permit for someone with COVID19 is questionable.

Response by SPC Kenneth Koerperich made Oct 8 at 2020 7:51 PM

SPC Kenneth Koerperich — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 19:51:08 -0400

Prime example, I USED to work with a gentleman(ahole I should say) who got out with 2 Tours in Iraq/Afgan about a year ago. This guy has the balls to brag he's at 96% Disability Rating, YET, this MF'er lifts weights 4+ hours a day, runs up to 5 mi a day, and say's he's going to apply for the local PD.....NOW HTF can you get a rating like that, be physically fit, actually above par by a fair margin, and apply for PD(can't be PTSD, you'd never pass their Psych Eval stages x 3)....SO WTF did this guy do to get his rating...And I've spoken to many more, with ratings undeserved, and a few who should have gotten better ratings. Myself included. I was told my wrist, that had 2 metacarpals cracked, which healed out of place, so now my wrist isn't as strong, and my eff'd up spine from humping 110+lbs as Light Infantry meritted a ZERO, yes, ZERO rating.....I just don't get how people get away with this shit! I needed a rating, and got refused...

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Oct 9 at 2020 10:05 PM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 22:05:38 -0400

I'm sorry, but no. I have friends with PTSD fro Vietnam to the sandbox, I served on an aircraft carrier surrounded by 1200psi steam and 480v electrical systems. With a major steam leak you'd be parboiled before your body hit the deckplates. That was just an accepted risk of being a snipe. Just like gunfire is part of being a grunt, unless half your platoon got their shit splattered then where's the ptsd coming from. Going outside the wire is part of the job, the reason I joined the Navy is because I didn't want to crawl around the Nam getting shot at. If you signed up for infantry what did you expect?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2020 11:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 23:07:50 -0400

PTSD is some tricky stuff. It's not about someone trying to kill you. For all you know he could have been raped by members of his unit during deployment, that would certainly cause some PTSD. Practice good OPSEC, and don't looking for info you don't need to know.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Oct 10 at 2020 5:46 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:46:30 -0400

The Veteran suffers from PTSD and the VA has verified it medically, psychologically and psychiatrically before making its decision. We are in no position to second guess the VA.

The Social Security Administration doesn't accept mental health evaluations conducted or ordered by the VA; why?

There is no other reason other than to authenticate the verified mental health evaluations conducted by or on behalf of the VA.

Response by SFC James Himes made Oct 18 at 2020 3:53 PM

SFC James Himes — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:53:08 -0400

Guess some of us are tougher or come from the generation of tougher Americans. I suppose if I was of the attitude I could maybe claim - but I never would. I was a survivor of child abuse - taken at 6mos from abusive parents and returned when I was 6yrs old. Mom had a lot of psychotic issues, dad was a vicious drunk who beat us often and grandma was old school corporal punishment generation. I was beat with anything they could get their hands on, including a 2x4 once (fan belts wrapped in electrical tape, belt buckles ect...) We were beat for the most trivial of transgressions.
In K9 school I was issued a dog that was designated for an advance class because of over aggression. I was in basic class. Found myself fighting off a 85# killer who was trying to kill me (I only weighed 128#). Survived that after being stitched and returning to class (fortunately with a different dog).
Lost my job in 1980 and was homeless with wife and kid for 4 years. No great outreach program for veterans back in those days.
And now fighting cancer. I guess I could have claimed PTSD on any or all of those but I was of the opinion that you work through it.
I have been blessed in many ways and some I would do all over again. I do get sad when others talk about their great parents and advantages I can't claim the same. But I survived. Have a great family - two great boys - one is active duty Marine. Have had great experiences and travel from my military career. Have been in many situations I should not have survived but did under the protection of a guardian angel or what ever you want to call it.
Do some get more affected by such experiences and as such suffer from PTSD - okay but those that fake PTSD as an excuse pisses me off. And what about those that had problems before going into the service - nope not buying the PTSD from them.
I see myself as a success - wife and I live comfortably - 22yrs of military and only ever fired from 1 civilian job among many. 30 years working with cadets in Civil Air Patrol (volunteer).

Response by PO2 Dave Michniewicz made Oct 24 at 2020 5:45 PM

PO2 Dave Michniewicz — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 17:45:05 -0400

For all of you experts that say you know for positive that Vets are taking advantage of the system just so they don’t have to work even though the majority of the comments attacking and insulting your brother and sisters in arms, are coming from those who have no idea how the VA works, are not psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors and have no training or credentials in the VA health care system. You attack the he VA and the men and women who desperately need the help that the VA provides. Yes people abuse systems in every facet of life but they are not the majority. Yes does the VA have problems but since I first arrived at a VA hospital after being honorably discharged over 20 years ago. Making such generalized statements and attacking and insulting fellow vets without even hearing and listening to what they have to say is very dangerous and ignorant. For the past 10 years 6000 vets have killed themselves every year. That is 60,000 veterans who took an oath to protect this country but felt things were so bad no one was there for them. It is because of this total disregard of facts and the need to just call everybody out like it has anything to do with you. 60,000 brave men and women! I could care less if every vet was paid 100% as long as not one more vet kills themselves because they felt they had no other options. I know first hand what it feels like to think your a lesser and weak man because I’m not able to just shrug off all the shit I’ve gone through as firefighter in the Navy and a first responder as a civilian. I was determined to be unemployable by the VA and that in itself makes you feel like a lesser person and that you failed in life. Add to that I was also determined to be totally disable by social security after herniating 12 disks in my back after an accident on an ambulance while I was an EMT. The constant feeling that friends and family think I’m faking it because I don’t look disabled. They were t at the therapy sessions, rehab, seeing for over 20 years having medications adjusted, stopped put on new ones. They are not there when you wake up from constant nightmares and pain with cold sweats so bad you have to change you clothes and sheets in the middle of the night because they are soaking wet. They don’t know barely anything I’m going through and guess what you haven’t the slightest idea what those who you insulted and look down on while you puff your chest because 1. You have nothing to do with the care and treatments and their military history and 2. It’s none of your damn business. The next time you want to sound off about who does and doesn’t deserve a disability rating just stop and think about those 6000 vets who kill themselves every year. 22 a day! Did you do anything to try and stop those numbers or are you part of the problem because of the hateful comments you post online about others who have served their country.

Response by PO2 Terry Pennington made Nov 1 at 2020 11:34 PM

PO2 Terry Pennington — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 23:34:22 -0500

Prosecute him

Response by SPC Benjamin Hartog made Nov 2 at 2020 8:17 AM

SPC Benjamin Hartog — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 08:17:35 -0500

You raise an interesting question regarding the diagnostic criteria of PTSD. Remember PTSD is a anxiety disorder that is triggered by devastating extraordinary events that lead to debilitating psychological and emotional disturbances. Intervention by a proficient mental health provider and anti-anxiety medication like Busperine can ameliorate the severity of PTSD and help the veteran facilitate his readjustment into civilian life. Based on my personal experience when I was engaged in volunteer work with the VA I met countless veterans who were claiming PTSD without producing corroborating evidence to substantiate their cunning attempts to bamboozle the VA into awarding them disability compensation. The DSM5R classifies this unscrupulous behavior as "Malingering" which is characterized by facetious fabrications and mendacious embellishments which are designed to mislead the VA into arriving at a favorable outcome for the "Malingering" importuning veteran. Capitalizing on pseudo-trauma for monetary gain is disgraceful and borderline sociopathic and diminishes the valor of authentic combat veterans who were severely traumatized by the grim realities of war. Most of the malingering veterans I met at the VAMC lacked any distinctive combat decorations particularly a Combat Infantry Badge, the ne plus ultra award of the wartime US Army. Most of the veterans I encountered at the VA hospital were staggeringly intellectually unsophisticated and were in dire need of not only educational improvement but also moral rehabilitation. The VA compensation program has transmogrified into a vast welfare program for undeserving veterans who are culpable of "stolen valor" and milking the VA for easy money. SPC Benjamin

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Nov 2 at 2020 12:09 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:09:21 -0500

I think we were "ON" under stress and we adapted to cope, witch developed some traits that are out of place in a western collective and it effects Egos in different ways. I am told I was born with a gap in my left Cerebellum in my language area, yet still fought to appear unaffected with successful results.
I think of things that are accurate ,yet hard to explain.
MOSTLY because I never knew it ,until 2016.

I'm 60% PTSD Desert Storm ,nothing scary... apparently I can't stop fucking scanning for things.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Nov 2 at 2020 2:11 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Mon, 02 Nov 2020 14:11:43 -0500

Nobody can ever know what is going on in someone else's head. So nobody is ever gonna prove anything. Either the USG didn't detect they were enlisting an insane person in the first place, so it isn't his fault, or, he really has PTSD for whatever reason, and it isn't his fault. I suspect the first from this minimal info.

And, the VA gets so much criticism, some probably true and some probably not, they aren't going to step into this ever, I bet. If they do nothing, they don't get criticized. If they do something, they might and probably would for picking on veterans who have PTSD....

Response by CPT George Blakey made Nov 3 at 2020 1:48 PM

CPT George Blakey — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 13:48:59 -0500

They are plentiful and sickening! The VA has allowed this to get out of hand!

Response by CPL Wilde Geist made Nov 3 at 2020 7:51 PM

CPL Wilde Geist — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 19:51:21 -0500

PTSD as far as DSM is relatively loose. I have Chronic Trauma Syndrome. I am not Service Connected for it and do not even mess with the VA with my Service Connected issues only because the VA is so adversarial and for them to act I am forced to have to " act the part " and that is death for me. Its like one has to put on a really good show. I will not even talk to the VA. That is not a good place to go for help with Service Connected problems. The biggest mistake I ever made in my life was enrolling in VA Healthcare. I now go to Civilian Professionals and every single one of them tells me I am doing good, that the majority of my " Problems " other than the physical ( I broke my neck C1 C2 in the Army, took 6" of M-16 bayonet through my Achilles Tendon, cooked by Patriot Missile Radar frying my kidneys, hit in the face with a C-130 doing 350mph, multiple parachute injuries, bilateral hernias, Decompression Illnesses Types I & II ( I did 14 Months in Tripler alone for this one ) went off a 45' cliff in a gun jeep one night, attacked by a C02 Fire Extinguisher in an APC after we hit a bomb crater and broke down, the fire extinguisher broke the top off and shot around like a missile trying to kill me, busted me up good. And more. ) The point is you can not go to the VA for these things. Their only job is to deny you of anything and deny anything ever happened. Better off going to Iran for treatment. Or better yet forget about the military and seek local help likein Austin Texas here we have things the VA can not mess with, and a Soldier can get help.

Response by CPL Wilde Geist made Nov 3 at 2020 8:18 PM

CPL Wilde Geist — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:18:37 -0500

I hate the nomenclature of PTSD. What the fuck is PTSD? What happens to a traumatized individual human animal is not about a pissing contest. What matters is if the Endocrine System can not sustain enough Estrogen to quell the Fear Extinction it presents a " PTSD " symptom. Neuroendocrinologists know very well how the Hormones work for " PTSD ". However Society teaches us since birth falsely, that Estrogen is Pink and Girl, get her a pink cap. And Testosterone male, give him a blue beanie and a cigar, and a chain to swing. The reality of it all despite $$ Claims for Service Connected Disabilities is, if there were no $$ Rewards for Mental Trauma there would be far fewer Combat PTSD Claims. When in Combat its expected to get nuts, and PTSD is almost impossible to incur. Its the out of nowhere crazy shit like getting raped, or sitting there in a fighting position and have some Korean whore jump in there with you offering kimchee and you reach down find a dick and discover it was being filmed for a cat food commercial. Its shit like this causes PTSD. Fear Extinction is what the real scientists call it. The only thing that works in these freaky times of Korean hookers or rape and other far out things is our Hormones. All you tough guys, so you say you been through such and such, if you are unscathed and PTSD Free you owe it to the Estrogen you are able to tap into internally. I am not calling y'all pansies or " women "; I am saying true scientifically you have the ability to light up the internal Estrogen ( tap into your femme ) and quell the fear ). The too real men that gotta slap other dudes butts and talk sports are afraid to ignite that femme and get PTSD. https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2015180 All this is scientific facts and proven https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4757430/ I wish the VA did away with Service Connected Claims and Compensation so us real PTSD folks could get some help. You punks that piss far and play the game get money, and what else. No help. Because you dont have PTSD. You just put on a good show and entertain the VA like fucking prostitutes. Thats all you are. Fucking whores!

Stress and Fear Extinction

Stress has a critical role in the development and expression of many psychiatric disorders, and is a defining feature of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Stress also limits the efficacy of behavioral therapies aimed at limiting pathological fear, such as exposure therapy. Here we examine emerging evidence that stress impairs recovery from trauma by impairing fear extinction, a form of learning thought to underlie the suppression of...

Response by CPL Wilde Geist made Nov 3 at 2020 8:48 PM

CPL Wilde Geist — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:48:59 -0500

My 1st Permanent Duty Station was 3/75th Ranger Charlie Company Fort Benning Georgia 198601987 SOCOM. 118 GT Score. Lowest Score Clerical 113, and High 137 Intelligence. Maxed everything Basic Training. Completed Airborne School, Blood Wings 1st SGT Cherry with a broken foot and sprained ankle Zero Week. Maxed RIP. Top Gun Dragon Missile C2 ( 11B1PC2 ). Get on Delta Teams list #4 Man of Charlie Company 3/74 Ranger. CSM Littlejohn 75th Ranger gives me a job at 1st Ranger Company Cadre. Doing #4 Man work for Caspar Weinberger himself. My Contacts his very two man Security. Went to 533 MI in Germany, diverted to 2/3rd ADCOM to hide Nukes in a grape field. I wish I only did recognized Combat. I was lying in bed at Tripler Army Medical Center for 14 Months ( Discharged from the US Army while in TAMC ) when these Viet Nam Vets come to me, hey Nut ( my SOCOM Handle NUT C-927 ), turn on the TV your guys are on TV! I turn on the TV to see my buddies being dragged dead and naked through the streets of Mogadishu. I worked with GSG 9 Closely. I grew up in Germany and was trained by BND. I taught Canadian Special Forces. Worked for School of Americas and other ' schools '. I can not piss far; pee on my feet a lot. I hit the ground after getting hit in the face with a C 130 and burned in spilling my guts and torn my esophagus off my stomach. I killed American College kids on American soil for just seeing 'us' train to snatch Noriega. I have called for fire with AC-130-H's on Civilians. Never seen one day of recognized Combat. Assigned Alpha Company 5/19th SFG Airborne. Served with the Queens Hussars. GSG-9. And still do cyber shit with folks I can not tell you about. Never seen a day of Combat. But seen a lot of death and wallowed in a lot of body parts. If a human being has PTSD and is hurting, it is not your fucking job to make fun of the person! Shit happens. The biggest problem is Service Connection. Abolish monetary pensions for Service Connected Disabilities, REHABILITATE and get jobs for the hurt injured and wounded and make it worthwhile for my buddy who died being a real Soldier to rest in Arligton feeling like he died for something right! This is my best friend! He gave his all so you can talk shit about some Soldier filing a Claim? This Soldier has every right to file whatever the fuck he/she/it wants! I am speaking for my dead Buddy and he would concur http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/beprice.htm#:~:text=from%20combat%20wounds-,Chief%20Warrant%20Officer%20Bruce%20E.,U.S.%20Army%20Special%20Operations%20Command.

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Response by SGT Kenneth Rand made Nov 3 at 2020 8:57 PM

SGT Kenneth Rand — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 20:57:09 -0500

Yeah I was told identifying my best friends headless body wasn't a traumatic event. That I don't have severe enough trauma for a PTSD rating. But even after a complete facial reconstruction multiple surgeries to pull metal and stone out of my hand and dealing with epilepsy from multiple brain injuries I only got 90% but because I have epilepsy I'm not allowed to work and get 100% unemployable. I have to have another surgery in January. thanks God I have my wife and she's takes care of me she found me seizing on the ground almost dead and got me to the V.A. and they still didn't want to give me a rating for epilepsy.

Response by PO3 Sally McMurray made Nov 4 at 2020 9:47 PM

PO3 Sally McMurray — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 21:47:40 -0500

People develop PTSD for a variety of reasons so its difficult to say he does not have PTSD. Sounds to me like he is doing a con job and all the signs are there. Sounds like he does have some mental health issues and should be mandated to participate in psych. help to get any payments. Group, therapy, private counseling, whatever, but he needs to do. No one just wakes up one day and says, " It's a miracle, I have been healed from PTSD!" It doesn't work that way.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Nov 5 at 2020 3:49 AM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 03:49:50 -0500

That the VA is uninterested in investigating what sounds like genuine fraud is no surprise to me; the gov't seldom investigates Medicare or Medicaid fraud either.
That said, it IS possible to suffer PTSD from even brief exposure to traumatic events, although it's more common with repeated exposures over time. However, what is highly unlikelyis the "instant cure" upon receiving 100% disability benefits, without treatment. If he'd claimed such a cure from Jesus, I might believe it, should the evidence be there. But the disability check is NOT Jesus. Neither has it ever been known to "cure" anything, except financial woes. The reality is PTSD is seldom "cured"; 1 simply learns ways to control it better, over time, and with practice, and to cope with it. So the claim of a cure, without therapy, and no need for psychological help and support, rings hollow and off key. That there are other fraudulent claims, from this individual only strengthen the appearance of fraud in this issue as well.
Whether it was pre-existing or not, I can't say for certain, but it seems unlikely, although it is possible to enter service while suffering PTSD that's undiagnosed. Combat is not its only cause. Should he be licensed to use firearms, if he's claiming gunfire as the basis? Probably not, especially without treatment.
PTSD is genuine and debilitating, but it can also be "faked", and I suspect that to be the case here.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Nov 5 at 2020 1:28 PM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 13:28:19 -0500

I spent many months seeing a clinical psychologist from the Vets Center who had been working there for almost 30 years. We spent as much as 2 hours every week going through my life from childhood onward. A lot of the time was spent talking about my 5 combat deployments to Vietnam between 1965 and 1973.
At the end of 4 months he diagnosed me as suffering from moderate to severe PTSD. I am not suicidal nor a threat to others.
I filed a claim for PTSD through a very experienced State veterans advocate who said there should be no problem given my diagnosis and extensive documentation including the long documentation by the Vets Center which was about 20 pages long.
I received an appointment at the closest C&P clinic. I went there and was interviewed by a young woman whose only goal was to fill out a form. Twenty minutes later she showed me the door. About a month later I got the letter from the VA. They agreed that I suffered from moderate to severe PTSD however not due to my service. I joined when I was 17 and my family was intact and good.
I guess my point is that the VA is doing a lousy job of processing PTSD claims even when their own medical professionals make accurate diagnosis.

Response by CPO Mike Castro made Nov 5 at 2020 3:22 PM

CPO Mike Castro — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 15:22:57 -0500

PTSD does not require combat.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Nov 5 at 2020 6:44 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 18:44:57 -0500

Fuck'im and his gold brickin' ass! He lied for TWELVE YEARS to get free bennies... he's a scumbag and should be fully prosecuted with 100% of anything gained taken back, plus fines.

If he goes hunting, I hope he wears a brown fur coat with a few branches in his cover!

Response by PO2 David Huckaby made Nov 7 at 2020 10:57 AM

PO2 David Huckaby — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 10:57:04 -0500

I am not going to say much on this one other than to say that I know many veterans who tell their families and their doctors that they are doing better than they really are. They smile. They do whatever they have to do to get through the day. They don't take their medication or do not take as much as they should as they don't like how it affects their minds. I know some who hide or discard them when they come in as they have family members who look down on them for taking them and non-military/veteran friends who would look at them differently if they knew what and how much of certain medicines they were taking. If you have a concern about possible fraud, write to the VBA IG and let them know. If there is something to it, they will look into it. If not, there is nothing that needs to be done. You did your due diligence, now go on with your life and let them live theirs. I can tell you with 100% certainty, if they have PTSD or any other mental disorder, they are doing their best to stay out of a living hell every day. On the flip side, if you know a veteran with PTSD or another mental disorder, don't make things weird for them. Offer them a beer when they come around and be their friend if you can I am sure I got off-topic here, but this one hits me a little to close to home. I was a Hospital Corpsman. I never fired a weapon in combat, but some of the shit I have seen, the people who passed on my watch, whose bodies I had to clean and prepare... Anyway, if you do not know what someone has experienced, perhaps it is best that you just let them be.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Nov 10 at 2020 12:13 AM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 00:13:17 -0500

I think it’s an egregious violation of trust. PTSD is a real medical problem for people returning from war and violence. We now have people claiming PTSD from routine military service. To end the fraud the military should put parameters around what actually causes PTSD and not deviate to appease anyone inside or outside the military service.

Response by SFC Shawn Havens made Nov 25 at 2020 8:29 PM

SFC Shawn Havens — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 20:29:26 -0500

I work for the VA

Response by SFC Shawn Havens made Nov 25 at 2020 9:00 PM

SFC Shawn Havens — Wed, 25 Nov 2020 21:00:39 -0500

I’ve had my privacy invaded, my kids hurt and targeted, and have seen my life been destroyed by felony wiretapping. This Vet is going to get paid in full. Believe that

Response by LCpl Demon Scar made Dec 9 at 2020 2:22 PM

LCpl Demon Scar — Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:22:01 -0500

All I have is the information you've given, and it's not enough! Just answer me this. How do you defraud a crooked government? So much damn corruption, but let's go nick pick about smaller issues. People can get PTSD from other episodes than combat. How about removing the illegitimate thieving clown Biden from the Presidency? How about getting rid of the Muslim traitors in congress? How about stopping the over-taxing of American citizens, and the embezzlement by money laundering our taxes through worthless programs and people. How about stopping sanctuary cities and taking back our taxes given to illegal aliens? Fraud is a liberal leftist term for anyone against their Chinese backers. Sure real warriors suffer, but comparing war wounds for compensation should be left to our own campfire chats.

Response by Cpl Archie H. made Dec 20 at 2020 10:11 AM

Cpl Archie H. — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:11:58 -0500

We must have compassion. Society must be compassionate for those soldiers, sailors, airman, and Marines, who suffered war’s trauma! We must struggle to be honest with ourselves. Concerning awarding PTSD benefits today seems trivial. First as taxpaying US citizens we *should look* at US war history, and combat US forces suffered. For instance D Day’s Normandy’s death on the beaches. The retaking of Guam from the Japanese, where the Marines suffered 10,000 KIA in 24 hours. We must remember the deaths in Luxembourg, and Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. Back in the mid to late 1970’s the job I worked in, I worked with disabled veterans. Over a couple of years I interviewed many veterans from World War 2 to the present in the 70’s. Again reminding you this was the 1970’s.
One veteran whose papers on my desk survived the Bataan death march. The death march was after the surrender of his US Army unit in the Philippines. He joined the Army prior to Pearl Harbor in the spring of 1941, soon after he was given orders to the Philippines. His weight 1941 was over 200 pounds. Discharged in 1946 his weight was well under 130pounds! He was told by the VA (the mid 70’s) his problem was alcohol abuse, implying his problem he came from an ethnically, and socially disadvantaged background. The VA rejected his medical claim saying there was no record in his medical history indicating he had any problems such as stomach problem. It did not matter to the VA at that time 90% of his Army service was as a prisoner of War (POW) of the Japanese.
Another a brown water Navy veteran divorced. His wife left him for another man when he was in Vietnam. He was boat captain of a landing craft ( I think they called the landing craft; a gun boat the Monitor). The boat was used to transport soldiers. I think he transported soldiers from the US Army’s 9th Infantry division. At the end of his mission each time he had to wash his boat, Each time after a mission his boat deck was covered with blood from his crew or the soldier’s his boat transported.
Another was a Marine who served in the 9th Marines. He served in the same unit the Marine veteran interviewed in the documentary Ken Burns concerning the Vietnam war. After coming home from Vietnam he could not stay in one place. The Veterans Administration said his problem was a character disorder.
Lastly my great uncle veteran of the US Army in the Philippines. (US committed many atrocities against the Philippines) This shortly after the Spanish American war. As a front line trench soldier in France, he was suffered gas. An ongoing medical untreated problem. After the 1929 Wall Street crash he got drunk burned all his chickens and his barn down. Going on a big drunk he was never again seen by his family. You do not get PTSD driving a bus National Guard troops to the airport to fight in Iraq.

Response by Maj Robert McGowan made Dec 30 at 2020 7:41 PM

Maj Robert McGowan — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 19:41:47 -0500

None of us know; it's in the hands of the military and seems they are not investigating, so we can't pass judgment. If your statements result from official investigation that's a different story.

Response by PFC Jade Stone made Dec 30 at 2020 8:53 PM

PFC Jade Stone — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:53:53 -0500

First and foremost, it's very shameful for any veteran who frauds not only the system, but Veterans who really have PTSD....

As a nurse who did SSD medical reviews, there was a Veteran who was granted 100% SC for PTSD and was granted SSD. VA appeared to believe this person was fraudulent so they informed the Veteran, "PTSD is temporay", therefore the Veteran has to have an annual assessment to continue the 100%. The sad part was, they Veteran filed bankruptcy and informed his VA therapist he was moving to Costa Rica...

Response by PO2 Bryan Fisher made Dec 31 at 2020 6:19 AM

PO2 Bryan Fisher — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:19:27 -0500

Since the Gulf War PTSD has permanently change the landscape that once was my life no longer sleep I can't go out of my house I question even the smallest of my position and I'm always in fear that the conditions that I do make made for the wrong reason if I had the ability to give up this affliction... I would I think younger people think getting out of the military automatically means a free paycheck this is not a paycheck you want trust me I have first-hand Knowledge from the VA that I go to of seeing younger military veterans preparing in the hallway to go into their meeting with their psychologist and a psychiatrist to show how Disturbed AR in order to achieve suitable for their needs

Response by PFC Earnest Ruffin made Jan 1 at 2021 8:12 PM

PFC Earnest Ruffin — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 20:12:21 -0500

i've been trying to get the military to understand my state of mine with my depression and everything please try to make understand

Response by SP5 Ron Rowland made Jan 5 at 2021 12:30 PM

SP5 Ron Rowland — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 12:30:09 -0500

Yes! Lot of that going around!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2021 8:04 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:04:47 -0500

How is it any of your concern? Why don’t you live your life and let him live his?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2021 11:26 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 11:26:19 -0500

I am yet to meet someone who questions PTSD claims that isn’t a blue falcon. Fight me.

Response by 1SG Lucy Crum made Jan 28 at 2021 8:12 PM

1SG Lucy Crum — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 20:12:33 -0500

Unfortunately many soldiers enlist in the Army with some degree of PTSD due to any trauma PRIOR to and had nothing to do with combat. It becomes an issue or comes out due to deployment or some other event in the military. Screenings will not capture this. Sometimes the person doesn’t even know. Now...should the VA provide benefits for PTSD? Absolutely not. If it’s found that the PTSD was not caused during service (yes we know it doesn’t have to be combat related( but they should be entitled to counseling and meds to treat the symptoms that allow as normal a life as can be expected

Response by Sgt Maximilian Knight made Jan 29 at 2021 12:26 AM

Sgt Maximilian Knight — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 00:26:36 -0500

I am the father of someone with severe PTSD. Eight years in the USMC. He had been involved in severe combat under brutal conditions with Special Forces units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Everything from 12 hour firefights to IED explosions with mass casualties. My son hid his PTSD for many years. He even was doing assignments for the Presidents SS detail. He was self medicating and only went in for help to the VA when his life had spiraled out of control and he was suicidal. They resist getting help and most others will tell you the same thing. It's a fine line to shame someone for "faking it" unless you walked in their shoes and you were there. To many combat vets die from suicide. To deny someone help when it is there, would be worse than pulling the trigger for them.

Response by SSG Harry Outcalt made Jan 29 at 2021 1:54 AM

SSG Harry Outcalt — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 01:54:21 -0500

as for the c n c , the answer is no in most states, as your dd214 code would be changed to reflect and would show up on a back ground check for a c n c, not sure about the hunting license... Firing a weapon in a combat zone is not a requirement of getting ptsd, a high stress environment can induce ptsd , as for the Va portion only a new evaluation can expose any kind of fraud, but the Va wants to close the cases they have open....

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2021 6:31 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:31:01 -0500

DOD or VA IG investigated? USA Fraud Waste and Abuse hotline still exists? Curious why you ask, your involvement etc. Based on what you shared he might not be best to snitch on, public civic duty and all considered. Just saying.

Response by MSgt Ronnie Kelly made Jan 31 at 2021 6:42 PM

MSgt Ronnie Kelly — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:42:34 -0500

And people wonder why the VA is not held in high regard by many

Response by SSG Samuel Kermon made Jan 31 at 2021 8:15 PM

SSG Samuel Kermon — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 20:15:00 -0500

Seems I've read that PTSD doesn't always occur quickly but can take several months, possibly years, to manifest. Hopefully this soldier is getting the help needed to put himself back together.

Response by MAJ Michael Cummings made Jan 31 at 2021 9:39 PM

MAJ Michael Cummings — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:39:07 -0500

I know people that are suffering from PTSD and I also know people who claim PTSD and have told their buddies what to say so they can get a check too.

My hat is off to anyone that is suffering from PTSD and my safety is off for the scammers. Nuff said.

Response by PV2 Sue Jefferson made Feb 1 at 2021 2:19 AM

PV2 Sue Jefferson — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 02:19:55 -0500

Sounds like he was lieing to everyone.

Response by CW4 Rodney Burnett made Feb 1 at 2021 10:41 AM

CW4 Rodney Burnett — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:41:19 -0500

I am an Army veteran retired after 24 years of active duty. (1986-2010). I am 100% service connected disabled for a laundry list of things including PTSD. In my case my mental and emotional issues didn't start to manifest until I had been out several years and was struggling to make it in the civilian work force. I found myself sitting in my car on the river bank one day with a gun in my hand contemplating suicide. My uncle, vietnam vet 100% service connected PTSD, just happened to call me at that moment and I broke down. He directed me to the Vet center. I was in counseling for over a year before I decided that wasn't enough. My brain wouldn't slow down enough to employ the techniques i had learned. I finally got in meds but it took over six months to get the right dose and combination. In the mean time I had a daily struggle with people that don't have PTSD and wither don't believe there is anything wrong or just can't understand it. If you don't have it, talk to someone that suffers from it. Not even psych docs can completely understand it if they don't have it. We don't want the stigma of a mental illness so we deny it. We avoid people and certain circumstances for fear of being triggered. The meds can make you feel anything from suicidal to just plain emotionally flatlined. If the guy was deemed 100% service connected by the VA, then he is. You can't fake this shit.

Response by SSgt William Bull made Feb 1 at 2021 12:40 PM

SSgt William Bull — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 12:40:09 -0500

I worked at an AFEES station in ElPaso, TX as part of my second enlistment in the early 1970s and we were still drafting folks so I saw every excuse in the book from folks who were seeking to disqualify themselves from service. Pretending to be homosexual, pretending not to speak English, and many others. Then after the draft ended and the US found itself in an economic hole and the oil fields of west Texas stopped drilling and pumping many of these folks found speaking English was not a problem and supposed homosexuals saw the light became straight and they all wanted a job with benefits. On the other hand, PTSD is never healed, and in the 70s the VA did not have a clue on what to do about it. I hand 21 months of overseas duty in Vietnam one full 13-month tour and an extension. The Marine Corps was desperately short of men for the field companies and support from the weapons platoon, mortors, machine guns, and more, volunteering for extensions was good for promotion and free leave. All this considered I freely admit I was scared shitless almost every day I spent in Vietnam. Upon returning home only the structure of the Marine Corp Brotherhood and my wife and family got me through living with my PTSD on a daily basis.

Response by SPC Wayne Blush made Feb 1 at 2021 9:36 PM

SPC Wayne Blush — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 21:36:27 -0500

Should be charged and prosecuted.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 3 at 2021 1:58 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 03 Feb 2021 13:58:36 -0500

If the VA does not care, the decision has been made.

Response by SPC Albert Schafer made Feb 4 at 2021 3:11 PM

SPC Albert Schafer — Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:11:57 -0500

I watched a perfectly healthy and capable guy set out to collect 100% disability from the military and succeeded masterfully.. and I couldn't do a thing about it... My hands were tied and if I couldn't hit him head on I wasn't going t hit him at all..... I can't even include the reasons behind or the circumstances of his discharge ... He was the highest ranking enlisted man in his branch of the service... with time in grade and max stripes....
He didn't receive the disability for too long a time as he died of colon cancer just barely into his 60's.
Sometimes you just have to "bite the bullet" and watch the world go by.... He went from being honorable to being a cheat.... and that's how I'll remember him.. a cheat

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2021 7:05 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:05:45 -0500

There will always be those that try to cheat the system.

Response by PFC Amaya Deakins made Feb 8 at 2021 9:57 AM

PFC Amaya Deakins — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 09:57:10 -0500

ptsd has nothing to do with what you've been through especially with the DSM 5. It has everything to do with how psychologically resilient you are. However everyone has their individual breaking point. And I wanted to point out that the most likely damage from undergoing traumatic events is actual physical brain changes including to its neural pathways. The lifetime prevalence rate for civilian men is around 6.9% for men in Vietnam upwards of 30% for men in Desert Storm 12%.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Feb 8 at 2021 2:39 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 14:39:16 -0500

Does fraud exist ?, well Yes but PTSD does have different ways of showing itself. Not everyone reacts the same way or has the same levels to bear stress. I've kind of always avoided seeking anything for PTSD and between military and also civilian Police I've handled a lot but seemed to do so ok, not everyone does. I always felt there were others that did far more than I did. I didn't have an awareness of one thing though, not being bothered by things but losing all memory of it such as seeing guys I knew being killed and not even remembering their names or could see their faces even though i knew them before going to Vietnam. I never had bad dreams about them and it came back when someone else I knew mentioned them, then I forgot again. I never forget anyone usually by appearance although names is another story anyway. That doesn't get better I guess if You add getting senile and old to that, LOL. One of My friends a Sergeant Major in Army Special Force though I should pursue the issue with the VA but I tend to think it kind of minor for Me and besides I always handled the high stress Military and Police contacts and kept control. I collect retired pay anyway from the Military for over 20 years service and the same for a civilian Police Department. I won't say I've never been scared but didn't let it stop Me from doing what I had to. Most the time just had to react, didn't have time to think about it. As a Police Officer however, veterans knowing I was a Vietnam Veteran was able to calm them down and no one had to use force. I do understand what some were going through. Fakes ? well Yes I sure have found some, its pretty apparent and many of htose were not even Veterans at all or were never in a combat zone as some claimed or doing what they claimed to do. The fakes are usually pretty easy to spot. That however makes it harder for those with legitimate claims of PTSD. Just some of My thoughts.

Not too related but I usually say " I can't blame anything wrong with Me on the Military, I was a Nut before I ever went in! " Well anyway I do handle My own issues and always kind of questioned how sane many shrinks are based on My experience with them in My Law Enforcement functions. I can think of a few incidents within their own families that they were the problem. one of those He called about His son being a problem, well it wasn't the son it was Him and the son would come to talk to Me as He couldn't talk to His father. I would listen and the way the son solved His problem was to enlist in the US Marines and get away from His Dad and it was the best thing He had ever done and that was good for the son.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Feb 24 at 2021 3:37 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:37:19 -0500

For a decade the VA rejected every PTSD claim filed. Then when buildings were bulging to explode with claims, they gave up and approved everything. So everyone who suffered anxiety while in the military had PTSD. I recall sitting in groups with “vets” who never saw the enemy and all they talked about was their diabetes.

Response by MSG Tom Yuppa made Mar 2 at 2021 7:01 PM

MSG Tom Yuppa — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 19:01:59 -0500

First, unless your a trained mental health worker and he’s not in any danger to himself or others then just mind your business.
If you in fact contacted the VA and by your post I believe you did and claimed he’s falsely claiming PTSD then I take my hat off to the VA for not taking action.
Now, if you were concerned that he may harm himself or others that would be a different story. Until you g t your Doctorate in the field of mental health I suggest you just keep your nose out of his business and worry about your own

Response by SPC Charles Nesbitt made Mar 2 at 2021 7:11 PM

SPC Charles Nesbitt — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 19:11:59 -0500

I was treated for PTSD by VA doctors and still could not get it put on my list of things wrong with me. This has nothing to do with hunting or concealed carry unless he was forced by a judge to be hospitalized.

Response by Pvt SanJuana Méndez made Mar 3 at 2021 6:15 PM

Pvt SanJuana Méndez — Wed, 03 Mar 2021 18:15:27 -0500

Am very upset with this member! Took 28 yrs after being wrongfully discharged before I even learned I wz entitled to ANY kind of benefits. Started out by registering for health care--21 yrs ago--immediately seeking treatment for depression I'd been diagnosed for prior to starting treatment at V.A.

Two yrs later, it wz determined depression wz result of PTSD, "injury" incurred upon learning hw my discharge had been handled. I filed claim & wz denied coz, tho stressor had been life-altering, it hadn't been life-threatening.

As IMH client, I became one of their guinea pigs & drugs they administered became their ONLY focus; thruout their experimentation, they NVR considered alleviating my condition by diagnosing it as PTSD--ONLY way it could be considered service connected.

This member claims his condition no longer exists & he no longer requires treatment. I stopped medicating coz I didn't care to be experimented on; I believe PTSD cn be regulated but in NO WAY believe it cn be cured.

If this member believes he's been cured, I believe he has managed to defraud the V.A. As I write this, it's all I cn do to maintain composure to keep words coming; all I cn to do keep tears from clouding my view. Brings back painful memories of living in Corpus Christi 40 yrs ago--naval base that included Marine training. Wz painful riding Metro from one side of town to another coz of going thru naval base.

Am irate that this member, supposedly suffering from PTSD, could then enlist in Army Guard, considering USMC/DoD manipulated my honorable discharge in such way that I could neither reenlist in ANY OTHER branch nor could I hope for advancement as civilian employee....& yet V.A./DoD deny responsibility or compensability for my having PTSD!

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Mar 4 at 2021 7:15 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Thu, 04 Mar 2021 19:15:06 -0500

I am no lawyer but sounds like fraud and should be investigated . I did four wars and seen combat but one of the worst events in my life was I was on a accident investigation board of a plane crash . 134 fatalities and those working with me suffered PTSD working on this site . Some people react different then others to a crisis and you never know until it happens .

Response by SSG Eduardo Ybarra Jr. MS Psyc made Mar 4 at 2021 7:58 PM

SSG Eduardo Ybarra Jr. MS Psyc — Thu, 04 Mar 2021 19:58:06 -0500

Here's my two cents, first and foremost, the adage of claiming PTSD is not something that is classified once someone claims it. Initially, a person who claims this condition is claiming Post Traumatic Stress, if the symptoms have progressed or been present for longer than six months then the condition is claimed a disorder. However, this condition has been used to death and beaten like a dead horse. The reason for this is because if someone claiming this condition who knows the symptomology it is very easy to fool a provider. I'll give one such case; we had one cat who deployed with me on my last combat deployment. It just so happened that this guy would embellish some outlandish stories of his past tour in Korea claiming he had killed a north Korean general, all this while being stationed in the Hovey cut of camp casey. His stories didn't end there upon his return he would claim his combat exposure while on patrol. The only problem was it was hard to be on patrol while working in BDE TOC. He eventually finished his enlistment and was awarded 100 % due mainly to his PTSD. Now most of us would agree this is a clear case of fraud, however, the real tragedy is those who are honestly suffering with this condition find it hard as hell to receive the rating they truly deserve.

Along the lines of PTSD there is now a new condition that few really know about which is what I have called Playstation PTSD or second hand PTSD. Which is basically someone developing PTSD based on the exploits of others. Yes you heard me right if you and a buddy are talking about what you did at a particular time and place relating to something traumatic an individual who has never experienced anything remotely will mentally internalize your exploits, adopt them as their own and begin to suffer emotionally from something they were never even present to witness. I discovered this phenomenon when I was working on my undergraduate work in psychology. Crazy I know. If someone looks at the DSM V one would look at all the disorders within the text, but they would then question themselves when it came to the PTSD section. I mention this because this section has more than any other section. Meaning the umbrella of symptoms is far greater than those of other conditions. Conditions such as associative disorder, histrionic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD and many more. Since the time PTSD has been introduced into the field of mental health it has morphed into this never ending classification. It is not like "shell shock, battle fatigue or battle exposure" instead it is a mix of these conditions and everything else that may cause a person to suffer a traumatic episode.

Relating to this young thundercat you mention in your brief it may highly be likely that his condition is fraudulent. The problem is how do you go about proving this without looking like someone who has an axe to grind? Since obtaining this person's medical records are a dead end and having them self admit the claim of PTSD is a fraud you are pretty much in a stalemate. The only recourse would be to make the VA aware but remember no one likes admitting they have made a mistake.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Mar 5 at 2021 4:43 AM

A1C Isa Kocher — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 04:43:09 -0500

as someone with PTSD 100% VA disability, most of the question really demeans and really denigrates and really makes all kinds of totally false uninformed and anti-science accusations against anyone with PTSd. and really not very polite to any veteran. the accusations of fraud are paricularly damning and particularly dehumanizing. It is almost impossible for the VA to award anyone a disability for PTSD without almost impossible requirements for a professional ironclad diagnosis, so it really insults psychiatry and psychology science and the profession.

The insults here to the profession of psychiatry and psychology are beyond forgiveness because our therapy, our lives requires that we trust our therapists and this screed says doctors don't know shit and our therapy is shit. it is not. 30 to 40 veterans die of suicide every day ... every single day .. because people spread false disinformation like this around. we are targets and every day a police officer shoots one or two veterans just for practice, another ptsd fraud dead they say

huge chip on somebody's shoulders. sounds like they need serious medical care

Write to the office of investigation at the VA. but if the complaint is just a series of basdeless unfounded wild accusations i don't think they would take it seriously either

this kind of wild talk hurts everybody. that is my professional opinion

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Mar 5 at 2021 10:20 AM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 10:20:48 -0500

I'll just say what everyone else is failing to say to an "Unverified Veteran" MSgt that for all we know is a poser trying to stir the pot.

Stay in your own effin lane and don't worry about what you can't control..

Response by Sgt Gregory Clark made Mar 5 at 2021 11:48 PM

Sgt Gregory Clark — Fri, 05 Mar 2021 23:48:11 -0500

I've always contended that there were more veterans falsely claiming PTSD then the ones who really suffer from it. I never said to my psychologist that I suffered from PTSD however thru several consultations I was diagnosed with not 1 but 2 different types of PTSD BUT I NEVER CLAIMED IT AND NEVER WILL. I know this guy who had hit the VA up claiming PTSD because he had his ass kicked ONCE by 3 fellow enlisted personnel and he actually is getting paid. He has a big insulting mouth and most likely deserved having his ass kicked.
Sgt. GM Clark U.S.M.C.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Mar 7 at 2021 10:07 AM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:07:04 -0500

This is a trick question in the worst way. The man claims he sick and you have to decide whether you believe him. Now let’s take two people the first person is a doctor that has 12 years of training in another 10 years of actual practice he’s interview the individual and looked at a hell of a lot of things and come to a conclusion. The second person (me) Has no formal medical training but has read several books and articles about the case he has first-hand knowledge of the individual because he talk to him a total of 10 hours over some five years and he has an opinion. No which would you as a reasonable juror believe. It’s very possible that either or both of the people making a diagnosis or wrong. But if one of the individuals is right and the other is wrong I’m going to bet on the doctor. It’s certainly true the doctors are not always right but they have a better batting average than the average citizen who does not know what he’s talking about. Out of the millions of people that the VA sends money to are there some that are gaming the system and should be caught and punished? Absolutely. And if you have real information you should report it to the appropriate authorities but if you’re just sitting around the bar speculating then you’re throwing mud on a fellow veteran who may not deserve it. In my personal case it was brought home to me when I got a liver infection and almost died. The liver is inside and no one could see it and even I didn’t know what was happening to me. At first the doctors were confused and didn’t realize what it was either. Even after they diagnosed it and started trying to treat me things were not going well it really really looked like I was going to die. On the outside you couldn’t see anything. But once or twice a week I just go “ stupid“ I didn’t know my own name I didn’t know what or where I was I didn’t know who anybody else was I couldn’t take care of myself at all. A couple days in the hospital with IVs and I was all straightened out. Remember this went from once a month to a couple times a week over a years time and I didn’t know any of it was happening to me only after I was cured and got a liver transplant did my wife and the doctors tell me what happened. Back to this case I don’t know anything about it. But something that happens to you at 25 can trigger a memory from something to happen to you at five and suddenly you have PTSD. The thing that happened to you at 25 didn’t / wouldn’t affect anyone else but you had a pre-existing condition because of what happened at the age of five and you didn’t even know it

Response by Sgt Russell McBride made Mar 7 at 2021 10:32 AM

Sgt Russell McBride — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 10:32:16 -0500

I see this all the time and it makes me sick. My coworker did 6 years in active Army. He gets 90% for shoulder and back from VA. He plays competition softball damn near every weekend. You cannot tell me this is not fraud. Over 50% of the guard members I served with are getting some % of disability. Some claim PTSD and get VA money and never left the wire in Iraq. Just sad.

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Mar 7 at 2021 9:22 PM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 21:22:59 -0500

You seem to think you are smarter than VA psychologists and are able to see into his head.
There are really two issues.
1. The PTSD. The VA does a pretty good job of vetting PTSD. I was evaluated by a retired Army doctor who served at the same time. There were at least four psychiatrists.
2. His threatening his fellow soldiers. This should be handled as a separate issue.
Overall, don't get your self in a tizzy.

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Mar 8 at 2021 1:25 AM

SSG Greg Miech — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 01:25:11 -0500

Unlikely to get 100%, I got 70% on PTSD. My worn knees and back are not considered a problem though.

Response by PO3 Jeremy Herrera made Mar 9 at 2021 4:45 PM

PO3 Jeremy Herrera — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:45:40 -0500

I would have to ask, where was his overseas tour? Was it in a combat zone? I have an example of this with my uncle’s tour in Nam. He was not in an area where he fired his rifle as a Marine weatherman. However he was close enough to get bomb raids and have to run for shelter and had a risk on VC entering the camp. The closest he got to combat was when he was going on R&R but his bird got reassigned to pick up wounded. He ended up having to head some unlike Marines head together with his hands. Would you believe he should get ruled as having PTSD even though he didn’t fire his rifle?

There are many medics also that have never been in a combat zone, yet watched men and women coming to their field hospital in various degrees of dismemberment. Do they get to be ruled as PTSD?

Now if this soldier was stationed overseas outside a combat zone and never saw these type of things or had to truly fear for his immediate death from an enemy. The. I would say no.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Mar 15 at 2021 10:57 AM

1LT Peter Duston — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 10:57:17 -0400

Over the years, I have seen way too many vets collect disabilities who, in my view, don’t warrant them.

Response by Sgt Bobby Lewis made Mar 18 at 2021 2:20 PM

Sgt Bobby Lewis — Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:20:07 -0400

The level of proof and testing that comes with a PTSD claim and the baggage that comes with it, make is highly unlikely very many people would falsely file the claim. What you are describing actually sounds exactly like someone who is struggling with PTSD and mental health. Maybe try to support the veteran rather than trash him?

Response by SPC Jeffrey Frusha made Mar 28 at 2021 7:04 PM

SPC Jeffrey Frusha — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 19:04:46 -0400

After over 30 years of suffering, I am finally receiving medication and treatment for PTSD resulting from the near loss-of-life (another soldier could have died, was not injured, but I ended up in the hospital) during an emergency roll-out alert in West Germany, during the Cold War. I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be a combat veteran.

Different people react to different things in very different ways. Hunting, or concealed carry may not be triggers for that particular person. People lie to their family members all the time, trying to reduce the stress on those others. That doesn't mean they aren't dealing with PTSD.

If you don't have PTSD, you cannot truly understand it. Don't undermine, or belittle those with if (for whatever reason), just because you do not understand it. It took my little brother being shot by a sniper, while on patrol in Iraq and dealing with his PTSD, to recognize my own. If you did have PTSD, you wouldn't ask such a question. Since you are not a person trained in the diagnosis, or treatment of PTSD, don't cause trouble where you aren't qualified.

Response by PO1 Lyndon Thomas made Mar 29 at 2021 12:26 PM

PO1 Lyndon Thomas — Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:26:23 -0400

I really don't get people like this. I was misdiagnosed fir PTSD (As it wasn't a thing back then) long before I joined the military. After serving more than twenty years, I still wasn't given any compensation. Served: Many conflicts from 1983-2004 the world over. Most recent Afghanistan and Iraq, Desert Shield/Storm and more. 35% disability. About 85% mentally healed. I've been caught in shootouts, witnessed multiple people get shot, and saw a dear friend stabbed multiple times. All prior to the military. I recall being around 11 or 12 and lying on the ground avoiding bullets being fired between feuding neighbors. I have little respect or compassion for people who try and manipulate the system for selfish gain.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2021 7:44 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:44:01 -0400

First, the idea of one firing their weapon in combat or not has absolutely nothing to do with PTSD. Being placed in a combat zone itself is enough to give a reasonable person reason to feel their life is in danger, and that in itself is the core of PTSD.

Second, having PTSD even with a rating of 100% does not automatically disqualify someone from owning firarms, going to a range, hunting, or getting various permits. That's just an unfortunate misconception that prevents many veterans from seeking the help they need and should be dispelled.

As for him lying his career to his family, that is also something for them to deal with as a family. He isn't the first service member to embellish what he did either overall or during big moments. Provided he didn't seek some kind of compensation or benefits for the story he hasn't done anything criminal that would warrant an investigation simply for claiming the was a sniper.

He is also not the first to not follow his prescriptions. They don't work for everyone, and some simply dont want to be medicated, but that doesn't stop some doctors who are quick to hand out meds. Some vets also claim to be cured of stuff, especially related to mental health, because they are embarrassed about it and don't want people looking at them different.

As for what I would do, I would mind my own business. You don't know what demons another person is wrestling with, and as an outsider none of us have all the facts of his records, medical or otherwise, so we should withold our judgement. As someone going through the VA claims process right now I can tell you there's a lot more to a claim then simply saying you have an injury or condition, especially to be rated at 100% for it. So the fact that he was rated 100% for PTSD says that his records and his story he told during his exams met the criteria for that rating.

Also, the VA does reviews at times, so even if he is rated at 100% If he is claiming to be doing better, not attending appointments and such it's possible the VA will reduce his rating at such time. But gain, that's between them and the Soldier, not something we should be debating amongst ourselves because we don't have the facts, only the assumptions.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 2 at 2021 2:05 AM

SFC David Pratt — Sun, 02 May 2021 02:05:40 -0400

Here’s another option: mind your own business. In the military, as in life, there’s a simple philosophy that should guide you, here it is:
If they don’t rate you, pay you, or fuck... then they don’t matter.

By forcefully trying to assert yourself into someone else’s issue, you stand to put yourself, your subordinates, peers, and superiors needlessly in harms way when this turd vectors in on you for fucking with his life. If he’s faking, he threw a smoke grenade... eventually it will dissipate and the VA will see the turd for what he is. In reality, who cares? Uncle sugar three millions of dollars at a time financings Hodges IED business, disguised at a electronic shop, from a business plan sketched out on the back of an MRE box. Honestly, dude... I’d prob suggest you just watch your Lane.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 2 at 2021 2:32 AM

SFC David Pratt — Sun, 02 May 2021 02:32:53 -0400

My question to you is this: what qualifies you, as an USAF Loadmaster, to be the arbitrator of this individuals disability?
Again, to my previous point, which may be revolutionary amongst military circles... mind your own business.

Response by SGT Jacob McInnes made May 2 at 2021 5:50 AM

SGT Jacob McInnes — Sun, 02 May 2021 05:50:31 -0400

5 years ago I’d be right there with you.

But now having seen how the VA works this sort of thing is often a choice between some people claiming PTSD but not actually having it and taking advantage of the system, and some people needing the help but not being able to get it due to red tape. I’d rather it be available for anyone who needs it, and some play the system, than stop the dirtbags but let one guy who needs it go without. If that makes sense.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2021 8:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 May 2021 20:32:18 -0400

Almost two years after returning from Iraq, I was diagnosed by an Army doctor, AND a Veterans Admin doctor. Their records show a high level of PTSD. I went through about two years of counseling at the VA. I still have an occasional nightmare and a couple triggers, but I learned, by practice, how to get through the triggers or how to avoid them. I can’t do anything about the dreams. The VA has me on a 30% Disability rating, but I have not applied to have PTSD added to my disability. I chose not to mainly because how long it takes and all the paperwork involved to update those records. I’m sick of Army paperwork.

Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made May 2 at 2021 8:35 PM

PFC Stephen Trynosky — Sun, 02 May 2021 20:35:49 -0400

Had a buddy in Basic who during the Move out Alpha, Cover me Bravo phase was the recipient of an M-14 round through the back of his helmet, across the top of his head, leaving a scar but no blood and out the front. Do NOT know if he qualified but I damned well think the E-6 in charge of that range did. I have never seen a man so scared. Seriously, any life threatening event can lead to PTSD but the question is, and there is NO easy answer, how much should you be able to just suck up and when do you cross the line. My eldest mentored a Vietnamese immigrant in ROTC and advised him how to get his commission. Absolutely wonderful kid, not the greatest English which held him back and there was a hostility from the ROTC commander that was palpable. Anyway he made it, wanted Infantry, Got it, went to the 'Stan, had his RTO's brains blown all over his face by a sniper shot and became a drunk. Got an early out and we have unfortunately lost touch. Uncle Mike was a 29 year old designated sniper in the Hurtegen forest with the Yankee Division and carried that with him till he died. Uncle Andy was with the 1st ID in North Africa, did Sicily and the went up the boot at age 28. He cracked and was sent home, one of the last two members of his original Company. I was lucky, never went nowhere in the Army but a few years later,went off a motorcycle head first at 60MPH on NYC's West Side Highway. I relive that one every few nights. So, it is a hard one to call.

Response by SPC Kc Beck made May 3 at 2021 2:36 PM

SPC Kc Beck — Mon, 03 May 2021 14:36:21 -0400

First the VA purposely classes most mental health under ptsd,

I have adjustment disorder due to paralysis and nerve damage, and leg injuries.

I told va you have it under ptsd, they won’t change it.

Plus it took a lot of evidence to prove my case so I’m pretty sure it’s happening less than

“Karen veterans” think it’s happening!

Response by SPC Kc Beck made May 3 at 2021 2:36 PM

SPC Kc Beck — Mon, 03 May 2021 14:36:29 -0400

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2021 7:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 May 2021 07:23:24 -0400

Honestly PTSD can affect an individual in many different ways. Myself serving 20 years suffer from PTSD 4 combat tours and that includes 2 15 month deployments. I have nightmares, outburst, want to be alone all the time, I put off therapy for awhile due to having to talk about and re-live the events almost every session was taking a toll on me on top of the medication prescribed to me, I had enough and had to find an alternative to for my issues, as for your question, who really knows and why, can you fake having PTSD? I honestly can’t answer that cause I personally have not met a veteran or Soldier currently serving that doesn’t have some sort of traumatic event regardless if served in combat or a garrison Soldier. The military puts a lot of strain and stress on an individual where it can cause and lead to depression, anxiety which those two are very much linked to PTSD in Soldiers. I am pretty sure if someone was to fake it the Doctors/Specialist would recognize it and address it.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made May 4 at 2021 3:23 PM

SPC Brian Jones — Tue, 04 May 2021 15:23:13 -0400

There are those that will try to get whatever they can. This will always be true. PTSD is very hard to diagnosis. When I was going through the process I was asked about my experiences (stressors) by many docs at different times and then putting them together to see if the story changed. I guess what I am trying to say is that there is a many ways for the docs to see if someone is trying to talk their way into a rating. They even went so far to find me incompetent (removing my 2nd amendment) to make sure.

Response by SSG Ralph Belander made May 4 at 2021 6:37 PM

SSG Ralph Belander — Tue, 04 May 2021 18:37:48 -0400

It just ain't popular at this point in time to investigate such claims. The VA requires you to link a provable event like deployment or presence at a certain place and time to PTSD and then go through it with psych. So in some way, he was able to connect his behaviors to an event that the VA thought was credible. It is even possible that the event was a sexual or non sexual assault of which he was the victim, rather than combat, which would also explain his ambiguity and difficulty in dealing with this condition. Or he could have fooled everyone. But can you see where you trying to be the agent of justice in this situation is going to possibly wreck you instead? As far as ability to shoot / hunt / conceal carry, well PTSD is not (automatically) a legally disqualifying event at this point in time. Finally, look up HIPA and you will see it is illegal for you in your official capacity to go after his medical claims by exposing them publicly. So again, you pursue this guy and his case at your own risk.

Response by MSgt Nathan Krawitz made May 4 at 2021 9:48 PM

MSgt Nathan Krawitz — Tue, 04 May 2021 21:48:41 -0400

To start, everyone's triggers for what eventually becomes PTSD are different, and everyone's resilience is also different. It's currently known as post TRAUMATIC STRESS disorder, not post combat or post rape. Just the stress alone is enough, such as excessive bullying or too many long hours with little to no decompression time. A mere deployment is enough to add stress. A unit that overtly or covertly shames members for needing proper stress relief is part of the problem. Commaders who don't follow the rules should be made examples of.

But what of the guy who is committed fraud? How do you know? I certainly don't. I have anger management issues which tick off some of the PTSD boxes, but am well adjusted in the other categories. So if I request PTSD compensation, I should expect it to be denied. PTSD is pretty much cross 50%, you're 100%; fall short and you're 0%. Until the VA recognizes that someone is partially affected and should be compensated, this will encourage someone to overstate their symptoms.

The VA has a bad track history of looking for one tiny justification to deny a claim, so that only encourages legitimate claimants to blow things out of proportion to only get what the deserve.

If the facts are true as presented, this appears like fraud. Someone that disabled to gain a PTSD diagnosis and compensation likely needs regular counseling and medications. You don't get cured with today's science short of death. PTSD is a result of permanent changes to brain chemistry and trying to find the right combination of drugs just helps you get the brain chemistry close to where it should be. Unless this guy magically got cured through experimental therapies, he still has PTSD. If he really says he no longer needs drugs, then he's inadvertently admitting he's no longer disabled. That means fraud.

If no one is listening, keep yelling. You have to find out who can investigate. Get your ducks in a row. They don't want to investigate and waste their time. Find out how PTSD is dignosed and treated. Help the investigator by checking all those fraud boxes for him or her. The easier their job is, the more likely the fraudster will get caught.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 5 at 2021 9:03 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 05 May 2021 09:03:45 -0400

Anyone collecting VA disability for PTSD should be banned from possession of firearms

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2021 1:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 May 2021 13:46:33 -0400

There are many that are abusing this whole PTSD thing. From a legal standpoint, it is better to not claim PTSD in the long run. If you even get in a fight, divorced, receive any sort of false claim, or in any way have to defend yourself on the civilian side, you will loose. To claim PTSD, in the eyes of the civilian world, is to claim to be crazy, unhinged, abusive, and dangerous.

We are now living in a time where everyone wants to be the victim. There is more benefit in being weak and broken than there is in being strong and having self-control. People would rather encourage self-destruction instead of provide correction.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2021 3:28 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 May 2021 15:28:19 -0400

Infact PTSD diagnosis only needs one event. I am married to an active duty soldier I am the one that has complex severe PTSD ! I got it from a series of life-threatening events domestic violence abuse as a child. PTSD is not just for soldiers and that is extremely insulting in fact the highest rate of PTSD is in women! PTSD is not combat related
As TV and movies would like you to believe that you’re someone is raging and see bombs going off and being shot it in your head that is not PTSD that is TVSD !
Sadly my husband now has PTSD but he did not before he became a soldier his PTSD however does not have anything to do with combat but accidents he was involved in and saw during regular duty on the base. so you can put your pistol away it’s not about gun fire!!

Response by SPC Zoe Jane Halo made May 6 at 2021 8:28 AM

SPC Zoe Jane Halo — Thu, 06 May 2021 08:28:47 -0400

The odds of someone convincing a VA disability assessor is REALLY slim. They’re literally trained to spot fakers specifically. As a vet with a 100% ptsd rating, I’m here to tell you, my good days do outnumber my bad. But my bad days are plentiful enough to make it impossible to find an employer that will put up with me because I AM at the end of the day, an unreliable employee. That’s what that 100% rating is all about. And my 100% total and permanent rating alleviates a lot of stress that would otherwise make my life even worse, because I don’t have to worry about a roof over my head or where my meals are coming from. Worries that otherwise would turn me into a basket case.
Not all PTSD vets are what you see on the screen (homeless, addicts, and/or socially dysfunctional beyond repair.) And the insistence of those stereotypes from folks like you REALLY cause folks with imposter syndrome a lot of grief. I should know. It took me 10 years of suffering with my ptsd, and being unable to hold a job because of my mental instability until I finally learned from my therapist that those stereotypes as default are bull, (I was insisting that I’m fine, I just need to try harder, because I’m not like THOSE people) and that while some folks do wind up that way, that the vast majority don’t. Most end up like me. Someone who looks normal but had their egg scrambled by the experiences of service (I only deployed once). My diagnosis are combat related ptsd, major depression, and multiple tbi’s. But if you saw me in the grocery store picking out produce, you’d never know until you saw the disabled veteran tag on the back of my car, then saw me change lanes to avoid the McDonald’s bag on the side of the road.

I’d suggest you mind your own business. It sounds like you’re trying to harm someone because you think their service is less valuable than yours, and that’s disgusting.

Response by SGT Chris Padgett made May 10 at 2021 3:37 PM

SGT Chris Padgett — Mon, 10 May 2021 15:37:55 -0400

I know this is an old post and my answer isn't really for the OP, but more so for others.
YOU ARE NOT THE VA RATING POLICE!
Don't worry about what someone gets from the VA legit or not. If they're defrauding the VA, trust me, it'll come out in the wash.
The VA has no issue with letting veterans know that they caught someone pulling a scam and that they are doing time and/or paying money back.
This is for the current active service members, once you get out, you really aren't your brothers keeper.
You stay in your lane and you do you, you shouldn't have time to worry about someone else and if you do, then you're wrong.

Response by SSG James Stodola made May 12 at 2021 11:13 AM

SSG James Stodola — Wed, 12 May 2021 11:13:56 -0400

All over the place but not hard to follow. First PTSD does not require one to have been in combat, or fired a weapon, or even in the military. PTSD comes from a "brain overload" as it were resulting from a very traumatic episode that one has endured or witnessed. Was he fit for duty in the National guard, maybe the better question is was he fit for duty period. It would seem that someone somewhere along the way would have noticed if he was "all there" for lack of a better term, and had it looked into. If his visits to the Psychologist were a matter of record, then that would preclude him from ever owning a firearm legally. As far as defrauding the government, I would say that this is a good possibility, I would also say that the decision to award full disability was in error and should not have been done so quickly. While it seems the VA doesn't care, they do, just not enough. And they do have a path to pursue an investigation, all they need is a credible report with actual evidence to support those claims. To me, and this is only my personal opinion from life's experience and 34 years in the military, 22 years as an MP/ Investigator, this stinks of fraud all the way up and down. And sadly, this kind of thing will not end as this is where we as a society are heading....

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made May 18 at 2021 9:34 PM

MSG Jacqueline Case — Tue, 18 May 2021 21:34:51 -0400

First folks need to stop analyzing other people’s VA claims, that’s the job of the VA personnel; second stop broadcasting your situation/compensation with every Tom, Dick and Harry...my two cents.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made May 30 at 2021 1:07 PM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Sun, 30 May 2021 13:07:13 -0400

I was put out after 16 years for having PTSD. The Air Force decided that, I didn't, yet the VA denied claims and benefits for more than 20 years and it wasn't 100%.

As far as the person in question here, consider this. You're peacefully walking down the street, maybe to work or towards your car. Something loud happens and you find yourself under cover and looking desperately for the chemical gear and weapon you know you just had. When you calm down you realize that weapon you know you had, you had more than 30 years ago. Same for the chemical gear, you just had it in your hands more than 30 years ago. You haven't had a full night of sleep in that same 30 years because in your nightmares you relive the multiple events that caused your problem to begin with. Don't make the mistake of thinking nightmares fade with time, they NEVER LET UP! Even after having a massive heart attack and being beyond the painful stage you're happy to have the PTSD let up finally let up, only to have some meddling people call and ambulance and have equally meddling ER and cardiology people completely disregard the Do Not Resuscitate hanging around your neck and return you to the pain and nightmares you have lived with since the PTSD started.

That's on a good day, don't get me started on what the bad days are like.

Response by SPC Paul Vaneizenga made Jun 3 at 2021 2:38 PM

SPC Paul Vaneizenga — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 14:38:11 -0400

Nobody comes to the VA asking for help on a winning streak. It is usually the last option for many of us who are hopeless and beaten down by the civilian world. We can't judge one another based on combat or service merit otherwise it will just become another polarizing force that keeps us from helping one another when we need to come together the most.

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Jun 4 at 2021 12:48 AM

MSG Brenda Neal — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:48:13 -0400

I'm dealing with this daily and have done everything I can to educate the Bonham VA mental health personnel about this issue. Pills are the only answer you get and if refused or you stop taking them too suddenly lockup is their treatment of chose. Symptoms for PTSD can be downloaded from the internet but it ranges in severity. Root cause can be from childhood and that needs to be addressed before they sign the papers. Neuro psychologist are highly trained in detecting false claims of trauma related to military service. I see practitioners in the VA untrained and uninterested in the research of what trauma is in regard to the nervous system itself. Constant increased adrenaline in your system to react to an immediate threat becomes a conditioned response even when the threat is no longer there. Physical, not mental. The sounds associated with the threat are still searched for by the brain. Sound bounces off walls, too much sound causes stress trying to isolate the one meaning you must respond, thus your back against the wall. Similar are nurses listening constantly for cardiac alarms, patients in distress doctors barking orders and patients dying around you. Medics on the battlefield. There is so much more the VA has never addressed. No accountability for employees and policing themselves to avoid addressing the obvious problem that supervisors are more interested in covering for staff than correcting them. I see the VA system as having fill in the blank forms and personnel knowing the buzz words to fake a days work at the expense of the Veterans sitting in front of them. A spread sheet of patients seen, by who, what for and prescribed treatment will weed out chronic abusers of resources and pinpoint weaknesses in personnel, including patient advocates. As most employees in medical facilities are women I see a pattern I call sorority sister syndrome. Playground behavior where being popular is more important than treating patients. The abuse I've seen with the older patients drives me crazy after what we went through during the Vietnam era. It just never ends.

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Jun 4 at 2021 4:35 AM

SrA Ronald Moore — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 04:35:49 -0400

They never even had a workbook or Actual PTSD Classes when I got an Honorable discharged

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2021 5:17 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 17:17:57 -0400

I have seen quite a few people claim PTSD when in fact they were dealing with combat stress. This is a fine distinction and ultimately, a VA practitioner will make the call, but when I have confronted folks in the past the answer was always the same: “The Army owes me that money!”

Response by SGM Robert E. Gray made Jun 5 at 2021 8:21 PM

SGM Robert E. Gray — Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:21:37 -0400

Warzone definitely changes people (Servicemembers and Civilians). I witnessed the difference in friends and Leaders. PTSD in people is hard to deny. Law Enforcement and Fire Firefighters also qualify. Most look perfect and their mental state is the challenge!

Response by SPC Clifton Barton made Jun 8 at 2021 1:30 AM

SPC Clifton Barton — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 01:30:45 -0400

I smell envy.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Jun 8 at 2021 9:50 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 09:50:23 -0400

Wow, the causes of PTSD are wide ranging . Having fired your weapon or being shot at only cover a couple of potential stressors and many folks who have experienced those walk away unscathed. The VA screenings are pretty in depth so I don't know how anyone would be able to fake it and the therapists would know also. My uncle Dick would come unglued around fireworks if he wasn't expecting them to go off, but he had no problem if he was expecting them and he could go hunting because he knew there would be shooting. But gunfire when there normally shouldn't have been bothered him. As far as meds go, in my experience folks tend to stop taking them when they feel well because they believe they are better.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Jun 8 at 2021 10:31 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 10:31:01 -0400

I was in the Navy River Patrol in Vietnam and spent over 900 days in the Mekong Delta. From time to time you get a guy I know is lying about PTSD, but I keep it to myself. I generally excuse myself from the group meeting because I can't bear to listen to what I know is bullshit. As for hunting. My cousin used to go hunting with his friends for years but never loaded his gun. I have a permit to conceal carry, I'm afraid to do so. If I'm attacked---it would be over before I realized what had happened. I haven't had to shoot anyone in over 50 years. I don't believe I would care to.

Response by SFC Robert Jackson made Jun 8 at 2021 4:30 PM

SFC Robert Jackson — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 16:30:54 -0400

Report his ass. That is all of our’s tax dollars to a REMF.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2021 5:37 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 17:37:32 -0400

PTSD covers more than just combat trauma. Types of events that can lead to PTSD include:
-serious accidents.
-physical or sexual assault.
-abuse, including domestic abuse.
-exposure to traumatic events at work, including remote exposure.
-serious health problems, such as being admitted to intensive care.
-childbirth experiences, such as losing a baby.

Any of the aforementioned items above could happen in the span of someone's military service. Also none of us are qualified mental health professionals. Who are we to determine whether someone's claim is fraudulent. The Department of Veterans Affairs has qualified Mental Health providers that can determine whether the claim is legit. Let's leave that job to the experts.

Response by SPC Benjamin Hartog made Jun 11 at 2021 8:14 PM

SPC Benjamin Hartog — Fri, 11 Jun 2021 20:14:58 -0400

Malingering is a common psychological syndrome that is widespread in the VA medical system. Many veterans will facetiously fabricate events that they claim are the putative precipitating triggers of PTSD in order to demonstrate they are entitled to VA benefits. I have not conducted a statistical epidemiological study of PTSD amongst veterans but I can surmise with confidence that the VA compensation program is swamped by an overwhelming amount of imposters. The VA has as a result ballooned into a vast welfare system for veterans undeserving of benefits. This underhanded exploitation of the VA suggests that these pseudo-PTSD sufferers are in fact afflicted with an anti-social personality disorder rather than an anxiety malady like PTSD. Classifying and identifying discrete PTSD symptoms is a very complex exercise in the differential diagnosis of various psychiatric illnesses that have comorbidities and requires a highly skilled mental health provider to identify signs of malingering and the sociopathic attempt by many veterans to authenticate a false claim for disability compensation. These mythological tales that are articulated by mendacious veterans are legendary and would, I suppose, constitute a convincing work of entertaining fiction worthy of Truman Capote or JD Salinger. There is only one appropriate noun to describe these malingerers: Phonies. SPC Benjamin

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2021 8:32 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:32:38 -0400

You have someone who is a welfare loser trying to get money from the government for sitting on their ass.

Response by SPC Demetrius Love made Jun 22 at 2021 2:34 PM

SPC Demetrius Love — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:34:47 -0400

I was medically retired in the end of 2019 and can not possibly see how anyone can fake anything the entire retirement process is now a year long because they combined the military and va medical retirement process, during my time I saw saw more then four different physiologist a neurologist two majors and went to three different military sponsored group programs run by the army’s private social workers just to ensure I had coping skills and wouldn’t snap and could at least start processing my trauma, ptsd is hard to understand , can you possibly imagine not feeling safe anywhere watching everyone’s hands not being able to interact with people not being able to even stand in a crowded gas station or store withought having to fight the urge to bugg out. The isolation you feel daily becuase no one understands. As a civilian who has never served our country and not been put in those life or death situations you have no right to say who is faking or not. Most medically retired veterans need support from their communities they don’t get and that why so many are homeless and commit suicide
Becuase they gave their all for people like you who don’t even appreciate it and would rather attack and antagonize them.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Jun 23 at 2021 1:03 PM

SP5 James Elmore — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:03:21 -0400

It is my understanding that many of the troops today are being advised to claim PTSD before they get out no matter what. In the end, I suspect the VA will be forced to someday end benefits for PTSD for anyone on the fringe, which is a disservice to all of us. Will a patriot claim a benefit he or she KNOWS FOR SURE they aren't entitled to, you bet. A person's personal ethics and character are involved, patriot or not. It would eat at my conscience. It bothers me that I receive benefits for Agent Orange but have no way of knowing for sure whether my diseases were caused by that herbicide or I just got the diseases, luck of the draw. That not knowing allows me to accept the benefits in my mind- -rationalization. There is just no way to know for sure. Likewise, perhaps some feel the same way about PTSD, and those vets might react very differently than we see in the movies in the obvious ways from experiencing loud noises, etc.

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Jun 25 at 2021 3:11 PM

SPC Will Thorson — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:11:02 -0400

The VA gets false claims all the time and they tend to find out the truth. It may take a while, but when they do, whoever claimed false claims will get busted for it. As someone who suffers from PTSD, it's beyond irritating seeing these jerks get disability for false claims while I struggle to get anything changed. It took me years, hell, over a decade to actually get disability for it because i felt guilty. For those that actually suffer from PTSD, get help. Those thst fake it? Go to hell.

Response by SSG Daniel Earwood made Jul 6 at 2021 7:24 AM

SSG Daniel Earwood — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 07:24:56 -0400

If all the facts are true this should be investigated

Response by MSG Moises Maldonado made Jul 8 at 2021 1:47 PM

MSG Moises Maldonado — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 13:47:35 -0400

I know from Experience(friends/Relatives) that it's mostly FAKED and overused.. VA benefits are dished out like CANDY since obama's presidency.(couldn't be denied).. Just recently hear of an Individual who got a RATING increase of 10% to complete attainment of 100% rating for , Guess what? HEMORRHOIDS.. What does having Hemorrhoids have to do with bein Disabled ?( many people get that naturally.. It's all a FRAUD. PTSD is also very easy to FAKE... Seen individuals that get Disability for that.. but Seems to be OK, That is, until they go to the Frequent Clinical Visits, That's where the "Acting" comes into play...

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jul 10 at 2021 11:03 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 11:03:52 -0400

I was diagnosed with moderate to severe PTSD by a psychologist from the Vets Center. He had nearly 30 years counseling and evaluating veterans with PTSD issues. Everyone with PTSD have different ways that their condition manifests itself. Mine are one of the more common they see. I had a successful career and was fully employed until retired.
After my diagnosis about 10 years ago many of the events in my life were defined by the psychologist as a product of my PTSD. He came to that decision after seeing me for many months. I had a lot of apologizing to do to people as part of my dealing with it but it helped.
A number of my friends convinced me that I should file a claim with the VA for PTSD. I receive compensation for both my hearing and Agent Orange related problems.
After filing my claim I was given an appointment with the C&P office in Gainesville FL. I met with a young woman who asked me question from a computer and recorded my responses. She also recorded my military experience which included 5 combat tours to Vietnam from 1965-73. A couple of months later I received a denial. Her report stated that she concurred with my PTSD diagnosis but that it did not result from several years in a combat zone.

Response by SSG Barry Nickerson made Jul 13 at 2021 11:17 PM

SSG Barry Nickerson — Tue, 13 Jul 2021 23:17:49 -0400

I think that it’s hard to make a determination because you probably don’t know what’s going on in someone’s head.

When I was younger I was a lot more harsh, and probably would have jumped to conclusions. Now that I’m a little older I try and give people the benefit of the doubt.

I deployed three times, got blown up and shot on separate occasions. I did shoot at insurgents… And I also lost soldiers and friends. My PTSD is not constant. There are ups and there are downs. I can go extended periods of time on one side or the other. Triggers are real.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jul 22 at 2021 1:54 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:54:24 -0400

This has been burning my ass since I was a little kid, seeing so many fakers claiming PTSD from Vietnam and getting all the benefits . It has only got far far worse since then. Basically when I hear PTSD , I think "fraud" and I am of the opinion like my WWII grandfathers and the real Vietnam Vets(combat) , "bunch of BS" in most cases.

Anyone has chanced to see a gruesome auto accident on the highway, or be part of one , and it will give some "PTSD" . Service"people" who see something similiar while on duty in the military now" can claim PTSD and get a free check for life .

As my grandfathers and father said- "Bunch of Bull", Real PTSD should take alot more than that. But I have seen/heard about the running PTSD fraud for 50 years now. Most of the ones claiming it were "NCO's, to begin with - no chance outside, even before they joined the military. PTSD looks like a good ride if to a sociopath path after they ETS, if they can claim it by default and also fraud.

I feel for the guys who got really "bent" becuase of their military service. I know one very well. He is where I get my most of views on PTSD , I knew another pretty good but he gone now. Compared to the other many WWII/Korea/Vietnam Vets I have known, who "adjusted" to real . Beside being a vet myself and the dudes Cold/War Vets I knew/know still. There are very few real PTSD cases. I know of only those two personally(both Vietnam heavy combat vets), who I would say had PTSD. Maybe my best friend's dad had PTSD , he lost a leg during the Battle of the Bulge, but I think he was just a mean ornery drunk, still a straight-up "old-dude". I don't think he had PTSD. Most WWII vets were like that. They did not complain or ask for chit. They got their home-loans and GI BILL and went on with their life(making the 50's and 60's so great).

From all that , IMO, I'd say at most 5% of PTSD cases actually deserve some level of disability going back to Nam or even Korea or WWII. - note those "wars" all included "the draft" . Making the subsequent Cold War and GWOT figures for PTSD disabilty claims even more of joke and a fraud. If I ever run into a GWOT vet saying he is disabled due to PTSD, I can only say that I hope I don't laugh or say something honest , before I walk off. I don't want to deal with such stuff.

Voluntary enlistment? Well then , that pretty much nullifies PTSD in most cases. Sorry to the people who did not know what they were getting into, but the frauds can GTH. The few real ones ? Yes, PTSD disabilty should be recognized and is deserved, but those are very few and far between.

Response by SPC Mark Maestas made Jul 28 at 2021 1:37 AM

SPC Mark Maestas — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 01:37:49 -0400

I’d mind my own business. Ken

Response by SPC Logan Hulse made Jul 29 at 2021 10:38 PM

SPC Logan Hulse — Thu, 29 Jul 2021 22:38:47 -0400

Okay so dang lots to un-wrap… a PTSD claim does not even need a primary event to be awarded… PTSD can be awarded for a plethora of issues during service. As long as one meets the requirements for the basic award. When it comes to claiming it… a lot of people distrust the VA because they tend to preclude on the “this dudes gonna hurt people” side. Member was fit for duty if he passed the investigations. In most states as long as he does not have a 100% rating for PTSD he still has the rights to carry. If the member does not have PTSD one should be able to report to a proper authority of fraudulent claims, and defrauding the federal government.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2021 5:46 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 17:46:31 -0400

Seen this happen with a guy in the Navy. Goofy bastard. Served 2 years and some change. Claims he was raped by another sailor. Maybe it was true, maybe not, maybe he liked it?. Well, 8 years later, he bagged 100% disability and $20K backpay after many failed attempts. Claimed that incident scarred him for life but I call BS. This guy is fully functional, always out partying with women and doing drugs. Has multiple kids with different women. Nothing that happened in his two years of shining his boots and ZERO deployments that has scarred him that he needs 100% disability for life. However, I am not inside his head nor am I psychologist. But i can sniff out a mean BS loaf from a mile away.

Response by SFC Wendell Pruitt made Jul 31 at 2021 2:17 PM

SFC Wendell Pruitt — Sat, 31 Jul 2021 14:17:20 -0400

As someone who has helped Dozens, if not a few hundred people navigate their VA claims system, I can speak with some informed knowledge on this subject, Can the VA system be gamed to award a nonsense claim, Yes it can to a small degree. No system is perfect, because it is designed to be done on an individual basis with facts found and verified where possible, a few slip through the cracks as a result. The system also has safeguards built in to weed out false claims, virtually no one gets a disability award based on their own painting of their claim as totally disabling, the actors who try this are very often exposed and flagged in the system for further review and prosecution where appropriate. Most times these actors/posers expose themselves by making wild claims about things with no factually verifiable records to support it. Of all the claims I have helped with only 2 have been questionable nearly from the start, in both cases I told that veteran that I would not be helping them because they either did not have current evidence of a disability in their file or they appeared to have no supporting documentation of an in service injury or incident that could have caused what they claimed, (One claimed his medical records were classified and sealed because of the mission He was involved in), This was laughable because his assignments and primary Duty MOS was as a Generic Generator mechanic that never left the United States. My bottom line is simple here, I judge no veteran who feels they have a legitimate claim and I defer to the VA system and raters on sorting out the facts as law requires.....

Response by SGT Dennis Bolin made Aug 1 at 2021 5:20 PM

SGT Dennis Bolin — Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:20:44 -0400

his ass needs to be convicted of fraud with prison term!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2021 12:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 12:19:13 -0400

Yeah this is definitely an issue. We had male soldiers that were TERRIBLE dirt bags and tried to game the system and get some kind of % without serving even a year in garrison. I think only a few of them were successful in getting anything from the Army or VA.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2021 8:58 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:58:31 -0400

VA Social Worker here. This seems like a narrow definition of PTSD, but if you suspect fraud can report it through OIG… https://www.oversight.gov/taxonomy/term/42

Department of Veterans Affairs OIG | Oversight.gov

• VA-related criminal activity• Systemic patient safety issues• Gross mismanagement or waste of VA resources• Misconduct by senior VA officials

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2021 11:20 AM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 11:20:24 -0400

I would refrain from trying to determine whether this is is is not a genuine injury unless one is a medical doctor familiar with the case. So many factors can be involved here that no one knows about except for the doctor and the member. And never firing a weapon in combat has nothing to do with whether of not one can get PTSD.

Response by SSG Randall Speck made Aug 3 at 2021 3:27 PM

SSG Randall Speck — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 15:27:29 -0400

I was in Iraq in 2003! Thought that I had a heart attack but was later diagnosed with PTSD. Being a HET driver I had a lot of issues with IED's and random shots coming my way (I assumed) I got a thing called Hyper awareness. (Looking for danger everywhere) I was just trying to do my job and keep my head on my shoulders. I never fired a round, and my truck was never hit. I guess it was a collection of over 12, 000 miles of keeping my head down. Also I was 44 years old. I don't know what happened but one day I just sat down in the sand and didn't care if I was killed there. That same day a series of events and I volunteered my HET to do a 30K run to pick up a broke down dump truck in Naja. We got popped at, but took no damage. When I got back to the assembly area I had chest pains, and they Med Vacted me out. Now I am 100%. I'm still affected today and I have bad days. My wife puts up with me and is my caregiver. My CP exam took 7 1/2 hours. I don't know what they discovered, but that was that. I have weapons but don't hunt, and don't like to shoot. Folks can fake their CP exam, but mine was very long and I'm not sure someone can fake a doctor thru that type of scrutiny. I loved my job, and had 11 years active as a Tanker in the RA. I was a HET driver in the TN National Guard. To this day I feel embarrassed that I didn't get hit, like many others did. I hope in some way I have answered your questions!

Response by PFC Stephan Hanna made Aug 4 at 2021 12:26 PM

PFC Stephan Hanna — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 12:26:29 -0400

How do you get evidence that indicates the veteran is faking? I know at least one person that's collecting benefits that maybe shouldn't but I have no idea how to substantiate or even report.

Response by SP5 Ron Rowland made Aug 4 at 2021 7:53 PM

SP5 Ron Rowland — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:53:08 -0400

The VA cares, no written proof, it did not happen! I know a faker when I talk to them, just ask a few combat questions. ,

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Aug 8 at 2021 6:28 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:28:24 -0400

If you are totally correct about him, ask yourself if you would trade places with him.

If you are totally incorrect about him, would you want to trade places with him?

Response by Cpl Tyeson Bebee made Sep 1 at 2021 6:17 PM

Cpl Tyeson Bebee — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 18:17:33 -0400

I know guy that never left his boat and got 100% for PTSD while guys I served with can’t even get any percentage.

Response by Cpl Ronald Sumter made Sep 2 at 2021 9:40 AM

Cpl Ronald Sumter — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 09:40:58 -0400

I've been trying 20 years but they make up a different lie and denied me

Response by SSgt James Assad made Sep 3 at 2021 10:33 AM

SSgt James Assad — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 10:33:51 -0400

I have to ask, why exactly do you care? Does this affect you and your life directly in some way? Are you a doctor or psychologist that specializes in PTSD? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say “no” to all of that. PTSD can come from MANY different kinds of events that one has experienced, not just combat. You’re being awfully judgmental here about something that appears you don’t know much about. A quick thought, we as veterans need to stop trying to tear each other down and worrying about things that don’t affect us personally (especially for something as inept as this) and start focusing on ways to help each other and lift each other up; let’s worry about the things that matter. Just my opinion, but also something I feel am in the right about. S/F

Response by SR Michele Butcher made Sep 4 at 2021 10:58 AM

SR Michele Butcher — Sat, 04 Sep 2021 10:58:34 -0400

My take on this is u less you are involved intimately in this persons care stay out of it because you really have no idea exactly whats happening. I was brutally raped by my master chief and then when i reported it i was thrown into a mental institution and then throw out of the military all because i had the bad grace to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. A split second was all it took to change my life forever sure i can act like im fine but im not I’m paranoid im suicidal and im now a recluse and it happened to me over 30 years ago unoess you were there when the “incident “ he’s claiming happened you dont know what actually happened and just because they say they’re fine doesn’t mean they are never judge something you dont 100% know just support them even if you think they’re a douche canoe

Response by LTC Ernest Edge made Sep 5 at 2021 11:39 AM

LTC Ernest Edge — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 11:39:55 -0400

Absolutely should be investigated to determine fraud. Treat the VA as Uncle Sugar to get free money and benefits is wrong. If fraud can be shown then penalties need to be applied.

Response by SPC Floyd Hall made Sep 5 at 2021 9:05 PM

SPC Floyd Hall — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:05:15 -0400

Is the V.A. still giving large gratuities to senior staff and senior officials and still want to screw the veterans. Where would they be allowed to give the substandard care we currently receive. Whats next? Will we be charged for phone calls?

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Sep 5 at 2021 9:13 PM

SSG Jeffrey Monk — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 21:13:02 -0400

How did this joker pull 100%. I have a purple heart and TBI. Spent 1 1/2 at WRMC dealing with mental and physical issues after getting medivaced outta country. Memory was so bad my guardian had to drive me everywhere till the Life 360 app came out and the put a GPS into my car. That's the problem with the VA system, no freaken consistency.

Response by Sgt Michael Coan made Sep 5 at 2021 10:04 PM

Sgt Michael Coan — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 22:04:12 -0400

if one gets shot in VN before PTSD was recognized even if the VA gave them a disability and called it anxiety and gave the person 5 years of a shrink, but the person still lives with and but copes well with the situation, should the VA have automatically change the anxiety to PTSD once PTSD was recognized? i think so. but the VA does not. we know lots of guys like this. they have to reapply and risk losing all benefits is what the VA says..

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Sep 5 at 2021 10:33 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 22:33:37 -0400

https://www.justice.gov/

If you believe am individual is claiming false information. Use the link above. And be sure of your facts. Don't be a dic.

U.S. Department of Justice

Official website of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ). DOJ’s mission is to enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

Response by TSgt Ray Lewis made Sep 5 at 2021 11:28 PM

TSgt Ray Lewis — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 23:28:47 -0400

I spent 24 years in the service. I'm a Korean War Vet and never went near Korea. I was in from 53 to 77. Never saw any type of combat. Was in the Philippians when Vietnam ended. Retired in 77 and then got a real dangerous job. Went to work for the PO. and now think I can qualify to get PTSD disability for worrying about those other nuts that would come in and go Postal.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Sep 6 at 2021 1:21 PM

SFC Terry Bryant — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 13:21:10 -0400

The Military like any institution in the history of the world is made up of all different walks of people. That being said I would add that the vast majority of people in the Military are good and honorable people with good intentions and good souls. However there are ALWAYS going to be less than honorable and good people who joined the Military for less than honorable reasons. Those same people have no remorse getting VA benefits for their own selfish gain rather than compensation for real and true disabilities. I myself have PTSD after 33 years and multiple deployments. However I was able to overcome that disability with strong family and incredible friends with whom I served. I had my VA reps begging me to let them put that into my compensation folder yet I absolutely refused. Why many people asked? For one there were and are many many men and women who were much worse than I that deserved it much more them I. I do draw VA compensation but it is for multiple injuries and disabilities I sustained during my over 3 decades of service. As for pre-existing conditions, I had A preexisting condition before I joined the Army way back in 1987. However in my 32 years of service I NEVER FAILED an APFT, nor did I fail to perform all 3 events of the APFT every 6 months with the exception of when I had any one of the 9 surgeries surgeries. That included back surgeries, knee surgeries, shoulder surgeries. I was still dong a full PT test until the day I retired. Of course my Army doctors tried in vain to get me to accept permanent profiles explaining I was crippling myself by continuing to train so hard. But is that not what we are suppose to do. Does the Military and by extension the Nation not depend on Military members to be in the best shape mentally and physically? I always believed so and I would not have stayed in the Army if I could not perform all the functions my jobs required of me. That is the difference between those who accept VA compensation based on false pretenses and those who do not.

Response by PV2 Calvin Richardson made Sep 6 at 2021 4:17 PM

PV2 Calvin Richardson — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 16:17:59 -0400

PTSD is tricky to evaluate. I didn't get it from the military but I have it none the less. I am managing it through counseling and medicine. Fraud is fraud.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Sep 9 at 2021 6:55 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Thu, 09 Sep 2021 18:55:20 -0400

As W.C. Fields said in one of his movies, "Never give a sucker an even break.". The VA has a history of giving benefits to those who don't deserve them. A guy a few years back conned the VA with false paperwork and got combat related disability pay. Only one problem, he never served. He did it for years before they caught him.

Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made Sep 11 at 2021 11:37 AM

PFC Stephen Trynosky — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 11:37:55 -0400

Having had two uncles crack up, one at Casisno the other after the Hurtegen forest, both were among a handful of survivors from their entire companys, I am familiar with PTSD and its aftermath. Neither of the WW 2 guys of course ever received anything for it. Suffice it to say that any life altering event, Getting out of the twin towers as they collapsed, watching colleagues, jump from the 97th floor and explode on contact with the ground, having your ground crew partner sliced up by a P-51 prop because the pilot let out the brakes too soon (happened to my Dad) or, going off a motorcycle, head first at 60MPH because somebody rammed you from behind, can induce PTSD. Question is, can you categorize it? Someone who endured Gettysburg, Belleau Wood, Okinawa, Hue or Fallujah cannot be compared to someone who could not handle combat on day one, when introduced to it. Both are incredibly traumatized but who deserves help? Kindness and sympathy are wonderful virtues but in certain cases they are an insult to those who have seen the elephant, up close and personal.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Sep 19 at 2021 10:26 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 22:26:11 -0400

Are you a qualified psychologist?
Are you a certified VA Benefits Examiner?

I suspect both answers are No.
Therefore what's your beef with another's disability? Are you jealous?

Here's a truth: the military does not prepare members for any post service compensation. The person you are hating on went to the trouble to get what he was awarded.

If YOU want to be awarded compensation for things that happened to you physical and mentally during your active service, then get it DOCUMENTED. No more OTC meds - go to sick call. Seriously.

No more bullying through back, foot, arm, pain etc. GET IT DOCUMENTED and file your VA Benefits claim.

What a shame it would be for you to live a life in physical or mental pain just because you are hating on someone who is receiving compensation.

And actually, there is a very clear path for investigation, call the VA OIG. You can Google that. And a simple internet search would have helped you in making that false statement.

Response by SSG Deron Santiny made Sep 26 at 2021 11:32 PM

SSG Deron Santiny — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:32:22 -0400

It happens all the time. I have seen Veterans claim PTSD just to boost their VA rating percentage. I've also seen Veterans that claim Military Sexual Trauma (without any proof) to boost their ratings percentage. It's people like this that cause havoc for those who legitimately have issues and can't get the proper treatment and/or ratings. There are avenues to which they can be reported but that would have to be done through the VA system. Fraud is Fraud, doesn't matter what it is or how it's done. If someone who claims to want to kill fellow Servicemen/Woman is not attending treatment, then it is the VA's responsibility to see that he/she is investigated. Their provider should be making notes that they aren't attending appointments or taking prescribed medications. They definitely shouldn't be allowed to own or possess firearms until they are properly vetted. Again, it's idiots like this that make the rest of us look bad. If said person goes out and kills someone, the first thing they will say is "they had PTSD" when everyone knows they didn't. Not saying they didn't see anything while deployed but, the chances of being "Cured" is slim and none. Symptoms are manageable and controlled but I doubt seriously that if they are 100% for PTSD, they are "Cured". As a Veteran with Combat related PTSD, I have found ways to control what issues I have and how to cope with them if I have problems (without medication) but I would not say that I am cured, just saying.

Response by SSG Andrew Chriss made Nov 13 at 2021 1:30 AM

SSG Andrew Chriss — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 01:30:12 -0500

This narrative has heavy bias and is teased information. When was the SM diagnosed with PTSD? Was the SM released from the Guard with an accepted and ANG approved diagnosis or on opinion? Claims connotates hearsay. If the SM had no Active Duty Army diagnosis for PTSD when joining the ANG it cannot be construed as fraudulent. Unless you have the requisite degrees, background and position to dispute the medical diagnosis, you aren't qualified. You cannot legally know what was said to family members, it is hearsay. You can't conjecture on what was said in the SM's sessions with the Board Certified, licensed, appointed therapists and if you did know you'd be in violation of HIPPA. Laws concerning Combat PTSD and firearms carry differ from state to state. In short, this is not your lane, stand down.

Citations: 1. Difference from Combat PTSD, MST and Civilian PTSD 2. PTSD and firearms carry
1. https://havokjournal.com/nation/why-civilian-ptsd-mst-and-warfighter-ptsd-are-each-uniquely-different/
2. https://ptsdlawyers.com/can-veteran-ptsd-gun/

why-civilian-ptsd-mst-and-warfighter-ptsd-are-each-uniquely-different

Response by MSgt Mike P. made Nov 16 at 2021 11:45 PM

MSgt Mike P. — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 23:45:33 -0500

Army has a Special Investigation group, CID I believe. A call to them and describe as above. I suspect they would be interested!

Response by SFC Curt Decker made Nov 17 at 2021 9:50 AM

SFC Curt Decker — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:50:22 -0500

I'm having a hard time filing for PTSD which is not combat related that occurred in service. The VA keeps denying it saying it wasn't combat related. Not all PTSD occurs in war zones. I was diagnosed with mental health problems in service but the VA just ignores that evidence. I'm sure their psychiatrist thinks I'm just faking it but I do have evidence to back up my claim. Mental health as far as the VA is a very slippery slope since no two cases are the same but it seems like the VA tries using a standard formula for giving benefits. By the way, my appeal is at BVA and I hope a judge sees through the VAs BS.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Nov 17 at 2021 2:54 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 14:54:13 -0500

Interesting case: I would want to see an MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic personality inventory) executed on the subject. I would also want to interview his squad or platoon mates and get their reaction. This is a psychological question that a trained psychologist or psychiatrist should answer. I might be going back as far as elementary school to look at "the right hand side of his report cards". What were his social skills and how did he react to other people as well as situations involving threats (bullying etc.). Since PTSD manifests itself differently in differing people, sociopaths are generally not affected by it, but an overly sensitive individual may react just to the loud sound of gunfire based on a stored visual memory associated with the sound. The individual described may be innocent by reason of a medical condition, or he may be a poser looking for a free ride financially. I would defer this issue to a military medical board that would include personal interviews, testing and detailed background checks to include financial as well as psychological parameters.

Response by CPT David Medley made Nov 17 at 2021 7:58 PM

CPT David Medley — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 19:58:25 -0500

Sound's a little strange to me !

Response by FN Cheryl Pais made Nov 18 at 2021 8:07 AM

FN Cheryl Pais — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:07:12 -0500

Some people defraud the VA. And the veterans that need it have to fight like hell to get benefits for physical trauma service related. But if you play the pstd card you're more likely to get 100%. That's not fair either.

Response by FN Cheryl Pais made Nov 18 at 2021 8:09 AM

FN Cheryl Pais — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:09:00 -0500

Those veterans also defraud the DMV for travel pay. So now it's more complicated to get travel pay because no longer use kiosk.

Response by CPT Don Cox made Nov 18 at 2021 10:33 AM

CPT Don Cox — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:33:07 -0500

There will always be persons who will 'game' the system. This one sounds fishy but I am in no position, given the limited facts, to say definitively.

Response by CPT Eireanne Russ made Nov 18 at 2021 6:38 PM

CPT Eireanne Russ — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:38:47 -0500

PTSD is a complex set of responses to traumatic circumstances. It is not just combat related, nor military related. As a result, let the professionals make the decisions. Personally, I would rather see people who do not deserve the rating be granted it than have one truly deserving veteran be denied the benefit. I have known Viet Nam vets who were ignored and denied for decades whose lives changed dramatically when they were finally approved. Lets not get so caught up on the few cheaters that we deny the overwhelming number of really deserving folks their benefits.

Response by SGT Thomas Paretti made Nov 18 at 2021 7:11 PM

SGT Thomas Paretti — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:11:37 -0500

I just read the beginning topic here and haven't really read all of the comments on here so please understand if I say something that has already been covered in the comments. I'm going to start with your saying that the member was in combat zone and didn't fire his weapon, I'm not a mental health professional but I do know that being directly engaged by enemy combatants is not the standard for making a decision on whether or not the member can have PTSD, there are a lot of things that can cause PTSD some environmental factors others could be something as simple as just being outside of one's own comfort zone for a year and constantly worrying about getting killed and even if the member didn't leave the FOB for his whole overseas tour there's still the possibility of being killed by rockets, mortars or even a third world national whom works on the post and one day decided to blow him/herself up to go to paradise.
Now for the thought that the member fraudulently enlisted in the national guard because of hiding his PTSD, it's possible but it's also possible that upon getting his orders to go overseas again he just broke and realized that he couldn't handle it again and decided to get treatment for PTSD to avoid having to go deal with it again.
Now as for his embellishing his military career he probably does that because he didn't have an exciting combat deployment and wants people to think he did because then it would make more sense to people that he has PTSD, people who haven't had to deal with combat deployments don't understand that not just combat can cause PTSD.
Now for him saying his PTSD is cured to his family that could be because of the other concern you mentioned, he could be telling people that because he's tired of people asking him what is he doing owning guns if he has PTSD.
I can tell you from my own experience that I didn't try to get treatment for traumatic brain injury or PTSD while I was in the Army because I didn't want to get kicked out, so the only reason I ended up getting treatment is because I had a seizure and was found by my chain of command, at which time I tried again to hide it but was unsuccessful. After leaving the Army and receiving treatment for TBI, I still was hesitant about getting treatment for PTSD because I was concerned that I'd lose my right to own firearms which really bothered me because I collect guns and love to shoot, but after a lot of research and talking to a lot of people I found out that a person can't lose they're right to own guns simply because they have PTSD and are in treatment for it. The are my opinions and not meant as advice, I'm just trying to answer some of your questions with my experiences of things dealt with myself and other soldiers I know or are friends with. I'm just giving you things to think about before you get someone investigated for fraudulently claiming benefits. I'm of the opinion that if this member didn't have anything wrong with him he probably wouldn't have been able to get the benefits in the first place but again I'm not a professional.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Nov 19 at 2021 4:42 AM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 04:42:11 -0500

Wow. He does not sound ideal, but its only a matter of time before the VA changes rules, as they do. When that happens, his luck runs out.

Response by PO3 Eric LaManque made Nov 19 at 2021 9:21 AM

PO3 Eric LaManque — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:21:47 -0500

There's not enough information about what else may have happened while deployed in combat. Simply because he didn't fire his weapon doesn't preclude him from other potential combat circumstances. That said, the fact that he threatened to kill his fellow guard members needs to be addressed. Doesn't that call for a dishonorable discharge? This would disallow a pension, as well as preventing him from obtaining a firearm.

Response by CPL Cynthia Broyles made Nov 20 at 2021 12:17 AM

CPL Cynthia Broyles — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 00:17:07 -0500

I worked for the VA for 16 years, but I were a disabled veteran first. Let me clear up the misconception that just because a veteran provides a stressor statement of what caused his/her PTSD that it is blindly accepted. With the exception of service members awarded combat medals, of which that medal verifies a stressor, we DO investigate the incident before we ever send a veteran for a compensation mental exam. The stressor must be corroborated first. So, it doesn't matter that the veteran misrepresented his/her military service to family or friends.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Nov 20 at 2021 1:51 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:51:18 -0500

Interesting claims you have. I have a friend who has been unknowingly dealing with PTSD since 91/92. Even when it was brought up to him several times, he denied it. Lately he has been having “bad days” where he weeps uncontrollably with no idea as to why. It embarrasses him. He don’t want no one to know he weeps. It’s not manly. He overeats, causing excessive weight gain and a host of other medical problems. He has been drinking more, at least every night. Whiskey is his preferred choice. He’s prone to anger issues. He’s like a light switch, never can tell when he’s going to cry, rage or be in a joyous mood. He can’t work with other people. Prefers to work alone.He says Stupid people piss him off. His longest employment was 4 years, most employment last for less than 2 years. Sometimes he feels like a failure. Isn’t where he wants to be in life. He claims that what he did and what he saw in combat wasn’t bad. Wasn’t what the other guys went thru so he shouldn’t complain. He can’t talk to others because they wouldn’t understand. He even had a job as a paramedic after coming out of a combat zone. He tells me of the suicides he experienced both prior to combat, where fellow service members committed suicide and he witnessed the aftermath. He tried suicide once. He called it a lark. He had the gun in his mouth, and was pulling the trigger and stopped. He has flashbacks of that as well as other flashbacks. People see those flashbacks and it embarrasses him. He finally reach out for help last week. Made an appointment with the Mental Health division off his VA hospital. That friend is me. I’m finally going to get help. It’s not for us to judge other people. You are not them. You didn’t walk in their boots. This person can still be acting out. Maybe it’s his way of dealing with what he saw. You don’t have to fire a weapon at someone to have PTSD. You don’t have to kill someone to have PTSD. Please don’t belittle or disbelieve people who claim they have it. It’s for the Mental Health workers who are trained to detect, treat and help people. My son has PTSD. Claimed he never fired a shot, never left the base. I found that out not to be true. He did engage. He was trying to hide also. My final words to this is get help, don’t wait. And don’t let others tell you that you are faking it. It’s not their place.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 20 at 2021 8:29 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sat, 20 Nov 2021 20:29:28 -0500

An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard.

So first of all, yes this is 100% possible for this to cause PTSD.

You do not have to experience the trauma directly, that is the big part of it that people do not understand.

Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.

This should have been part of a med board/psych eval and administrative action, but was more than likely done as an "unsat" participant.

Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?

He as already in the reserves, all he did was move form the IRR to the Guard, or do you not realize that first enlistment is actually 8 years? Since he had not been diagnosed with PTSD yet, yes he was capable.

Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?

Yes.

would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?

No.

Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.

His treatment is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.

How about you find something important to do, and stop trying to police other peoples medical issues.

Response by SN Chelle Peterson made Nov 21 at 2021 3:07 AM

SN Chelle Peterson — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 03:07:59 -0500

You do not need to be a combat vet in other to develop PTSD. You don't have to have fired your gun. There is enormous pressure on every service member. Personally, I developed PTSD after being mugged while walking back to my ship one night.
It is not an easy thing to get disability for PTSD. Who knows why this particular vet has told the stories he has. But the fact is that he talked to plenty of people before gaining disability and they obviously believed him. They don't just take his word for it. They investigated his claims, reviewed his service record and approved his claim.

Response by SPC Martin Mahan made Nov 21 at 2021 4:12 PM

SPC Martin Mahan — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 16:12:26 -0500

I know this was posted over a year ago, but it just popped up on my email today. It reminds of a story that I read in one of the military publications a few years ago. It seems that just after 9/11 a guy joined the Army for either a 2 or 3 year stint (can't remember which - might have been a 4 year, but he was out after 2 or 3). Anyway, he enlists for an admin MOS - PAC rat. Never leaves CONUS. Does the time, gets out, it seems involuntarily, and has a "3(something)" code on the DD214, in other words, can't re enlist, don't call us, we'll most likely not be calling you, either. But he doesn't go home. Gets in to some trouble, and goes to prison for a couple years. Gets out of prison. THEN he goes home. Starts telling stories about how he was a hero in Iraq. By then there's enough books out by soldiers who WERE there, etc., that he can bullshit his way through. Tells family and friends that he didn't write/call because he got assigned to "classified" missions (of course). Now, he then "doctors" his DD214 and takes it to the VA. He applies for benefits for PTSD. He goes to his C&P, drops enough incidents from the books and does enough song and dance that he gets 100% disability rating for combat PTSD. Remember, this clown never the CONUS. The only way he was ever found out was someone finally got suspicious of his stories and sent his info to one of the "Stolen Valor" sites. They did a Freedom of Information and got his records from the military, then the state where he was in prison, and published. Someone else took it to the VA... The result? He had bilked the VA out of some $300,000 in disability pay - it was proven he was a fraud. So they cut him down to 30%. That was the end of it. No court case, not restitution. It's pretty ridiculous. PTSD is a great thing to claim, because no one can prove, or disprove it.

Response by PFC Gary Capitan made Jan 11 at 2022 2:02 PM

PFC Gary Capitan — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 14:02:32 -0500

My husband is a VietNam veteran. Married to him for 46 years and counting. Never would admit to having any issues. Denial and avoidance is pretty common and so is speaking a lot of BS. Personally I think if his behavior doesn’t affect you then why worry about it. If he is doing something illegal the VA will catch up to him sooner or later. PTSD is a really thing and so is secondary PTSD because I have that. You get them from being with someone who does all of the above. I have to go to my own counseling sessions because of it and I appreciate all the VA has done now for my husband and for me.

Response by MSgt B Grimes made Jan 11 at 2022 6:29 PM

MSgt B Grimes — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 18:29:58 -0500

OK well I have heard so many responses to this and they vary quite a bit. Sounds like most responses are , 'who cares, why do I care, leave them alone, they deserve as much financial restitution that they can get, and so forth.
I'm guessing most reading this site are suffering similar personal issues, which I am not knocking on. I do realize that it manifests itself in different ways for different people.
The issue that I originally posted, and am truly concerned with is the trend for individuals who try and falsely claim PTSD, blaming the government! This has become so rampant. Our government is BROKE. Those who truly care and want to serve our Country should not be Stealing from it. It is only a matter of time before the government can no longer afford to pay retirement, or pensions, or disability, or other sort of welfare. We all volunteered! The individual I was speaking of had his problems prior to joining the military! A grade school drop out, he needed the Army to help him get a GED so that he could even enlist.
I can pretty much guarantee every member of the military was scared, or traumatized at some point in their career. We all need to be stronger and over come these traumatic experiences, whether through counseling, or over a beer with friends. Simply providing monetary reimbursement does not 'fix' the problems. Seriously, should I expect 100% disability for having to go through Basic training? That was incredibly traumatizing to me!
Maybe instead of basic training for strength & fitness, members should be mentally evaluated to see if they can handle the stress of WAR, COMBAT, or the associated stresses that come from the job they Volunteered for?

Response by William Drummond made Jan 12 at 2022 12:51 AM

William Drummond — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 00:51:49 -0500

From a DOD civilian's perspective, you raise valid points and ask excellent questions. Unless you KNOW for a fact that someone is lying to qualify for VA disability, stay away from it. If the person brags about how he fooled everyone and gets money for life with medical care, commissary, and exchange access, etc., it will be problematic to prove. Hell, getting the diagnosis is still an uphill battle.

Having a mental disorder or disease does not affect one's ability to possess, own, carry, or use firearms. A temporary hold, 51/50, Baker Act, or other mental health holds initiated by a doctor, friend, or relative does not meet the definition of involuntary "commitment" to disqualify someone. It takes due process, which requires a judge to revoke people's liberties in America. Yes, so-called "red flag" laws can result in the police temporarily seizing someone's firearms pending a mental evaluation by physicians. However, due process requires a hearing and a judge's finding of mental incompetence. Even after a due process commitment, the person can work with a mental health provider and stabilize. Once they no longer pose a threat to themselves or others, the judge should remove the event from NICS.

Others mentioned that PTSD is not unique to combat. Anyone exposed to sustained trauma or constant high-pressure situations often develops severe cases of PTSD. Good coworkers look at each other, and when they see apparent signs of an unusual stress reaction, they should intervene and get the person away from the immediate area, if only for ten minutes.

You will see PTSD in young kids sometimes. If they suffer from verbal, sexual, mental, or physical abuse at home, it is almost a guarantee. IMHO, a service member who makes it through the screenings and performs well for a couple of years before PTSD begins affecting their performance, we owe that service member the benefit of mental health care to try to retain them.

PTSD can be tricky. Consider a high achieving individual who excels at everything as a youth. Excellent grades, played sports, joined Scouts, attended church religiously (ha!), and others generally look up to and try to emulate. Make that person endure a childhood of frequent physical, mental, and verbal abuse. When they go off to college or enlist and get to the point that they live on their own, that person is experiencing personal safety and security for the very first time. The result is the cork pops, and you see delayed onset cases of PTSD. That is something to consider before reporting someone. If they are frauds, get your evidence and submit it to the VA's fraud, waste, and abuse hotline or the IG.

Response by PO1 David Cunningham made Jan 12 at 2022 8:40 AM

PO1 David Cunningham — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 08:40:32 -0500

Too much fraud going on. Seems like every modern day vet is coming back with PTSD. Even see sailors onboard ships claiming it. We no longer have Spartans in our ranks, we have too many Athenians. I think all recruits shood get a mental evaluation before they go to boot. Maybe it's time to fight our wars with AI and robots as we don't have enough warriors.

Response by SPC Richard Rauenhorst made Jan 16 at 2022 9:20 AM

SPC Richard Rauenhorst — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 09:20:50 -0500

I feel that every one who serves in a combat area will have some sort of PTSD especially if there for a length of time. How ever like mine it was extremely mild. I would dream that after being discharged that 2 MP's would come up to me and tell me that I was wanted back. I would wake up and almost laugh to myself. This ended when my inactive reserve ended. The military and the VA are constantly making mistakes, its the nature of the beast.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2022 1:00 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:00:22 -0500

Your statements are adding to the stigma. As others have said not all wounds are obvious or show up at first or second glance. This attitude of you never fired your weapon and combat therefore you cannot have PTSD, or you were just National Guard you cannot have PTSD is part of the reason that we are losing soldiers, airmen, Marines, and seamen to suicide! Command has got their head thoroughly screwed into their backside, and refuse to admit that maybe they don’t know jack about mental health.
There has been a paradigm shift in our culture, but the old guard in the military refuses to accept that. The thought process of “I deployed and was ok” means anyone who is not ok is faking it, or weak and a dirt bag permeates the NCO corps and the command structure. Granted there is no clean easy answer but one thing we can do as a force is actually attempt proper Soldier care, and stop with this blatant bullshit of “we care”, but when troops show up for help wringing our hands and saying “sorry can’t help” or worse yet allowing the attitude of “your faking it” to survive.

As for VA investigation and fraudulent claims… that’s been here since time eternal, if you can fix this one, but possibly screw over 10 other joes w real issues why are you pushing? It’s hard enough to get Joe actual care when he needs it, why risk it over one POSSIBLE dirt bag who is gone? Get your priorities right, look around you at the Joes who need your help now! Stop letting the dirt bag live rent free in your head.

Just my two cents, I’ll take a number 3 and a coffee.

Response by SGT Robert Coleman made Jan 17 at 2022 11:55 AM

SGT Robert Coleman — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:55:13 -0500

I was a combat medic in the 25th division 14 infantry attached to recon. I will not talk about or think about what happened in Vietnam. It will go to the grave with me. I belong to Vietnam veterans of America, The VFW and American Legion, life member of all three. I do not attend meetings but I support these organizations 100% I will not talk about Vietnam for the past service in Vietnam. That works for me and I think a lot of us veterans are doing the same thing.

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Jan 17 at 2022 4:40 PM

SGT Allen Treviranus — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:40:39 -0500

Should probably just stay in your lane and worry about things you have more control over. That’s what I would do anyways.

Response by SSG Ernie Pridemore made Jan 17 at 2022 8:11 PM

SSG Ernie Pridemore — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:11:39 -0500

I know an air traffic contoller that never left the green zone that gets on neighborhood social media and goes nuts around the 4th of July....I also now an NCO from Finance that does the same thing. Every year they ask non military neihbors for statements. I'm like WTF???

Response by CSM David Litteral made Jan 18 at 2022 10:52 AM

CSM David Litteral — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:52:29 -0500

Borderline Personality Disorder.

Response by CPT George Blakey made Jan 18 at 2022 11:40 AM

CPT George Blakey — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:40:16 -0500

To prevalent in the VA system!! I encounter them every time I am at the VA! A doctor friend that works there says they drive them crazy with trying to make false claims! If they haven’t been in combat they are full of bull!!!!!’

Response by TSgt Michael Sharp made Jan 18 at 2022 4:52 PM

TSgt Michael Sharp — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:52:17 -0500

If his PTSD is cured, why does he continue to receive 100% pay? I bet that if my Ménière’s disease went away, the VA would lower my 100% pay very quickly.

Response by TSgt Michael Sharp made Jan 18 at 2022 4:53 PM

TSgt Michael Sharp — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:53:33 -0500

I would like to know what takes the VA so long to say yes or no on an appeal. I appealed my PTSD decision about 3 years ago.

Response by SSgt W S made Jan 18 at 2022 9:40 PM

SSgt W S — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:40:27 -0500

Unless he has been rated as P & T, he will be scheduled for a future exam. If he has not been taking his prescribed medications, and following doctor's directives, if there's directives, this will be noted at that exam.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Jan 19 at 2022 2:45 PM

SGT Robert Martin — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:45:50 -0500

When my c&p finally got scheduled after two years of VA BS I talked with my psychiatrist she told me to sit down and put my experiences in combat down on paper. It took me almost a week to get it on paper. I thought that was tuff. Then I sat down for two hours trying to get through my c&p. Crying like a bitch with a skinned knee. I was fucked up for two days. When I got my rating I thought is was about right. My doc thought it was a little low but it's not worth going through that BS to try and get a better percentage. I would give up my benefits today to be free of everything my family has to put up with. I find it hard to believe someone could be their way through all the hoops I jumped through but with the constant attention we get I'm sure they will get caught in the end.

Response by SPC Edgar Jordan made Jan 19 at 2022 10:34 PM

SPC Edgar Jordan — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 22:34:23 -0500

They should be charged with a crime

Response by MAJ Michael Cummings made Jan 20 at 2022 10:55 AM

MAJ Michael Cummings — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:55:32 -0500

PTSD is the most abused and fraudulent claim there is. I know first hand about 3 soldiers that conspired and told the same stories so that they could all get benefits.

That being said, PTSD is also the hardest thing to disprove as it affects everyone differently. PTSD can also manifest itself years after the fact.

Unless the individual has bragged about gaming the system, some things should be left alone.

Response by LCpl Bradley Hintz made Jan 20 at 2022 7:39 PM

LCpl Bradley Hintz — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:39:10 -0500

Unfortunately, due to your idiotic viewpoint, you frankly seem unintelligent.
First off, you are a complete POG. If you are unfamiliar, this is an acronym for any individual who’s military occupation was anything other than Combat Arms; I.e. AF LOADMASTER. You first need to begin your logic by understanding the fact that you could never comprehend the day in the life of an Infamtryman, or any combat arms specialist for that matter. As such, you should refrain on commenting on things you clearly have no clue about, such as sharing your opinion on the psychological effects of war.
You have no business questioning an individual’s perception of the experience they had, ESPECIALLY due to the fact that you could never even begin to relate as compared to your military experience.

I suggest you never question anything regarding PTSD again, simply because it makes you look like a fool.

Response by LCpl Bradley Hintz made Jan 20 at 2022 7:42 PM

LCpl Bradley Hintz — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:42:14 -0500

You are literally a piece of ****.

Response by LCpl Bradley Hintz made Jan 20 at 2022 7:43 PM

LCpl Bradley Hintz — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:43:13 -0500

You are a disgusting human and I wish you were in AZ so you could hear it in person

Response by LCpl Bradley Hintz made Jan 20 at 2022 7:44 PM

LCpl Bradley Hintz — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:44:54 -0500

Grimey MF you should be ashamed of yourself for even posting such nonesense!

Response by CDR R. Mark Lusted made Jan 20 at 2022 8:54 PM

CDR R. Mark Lusted — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 20:54:01 -0500

Here is something similar that happened a couple of months ago. Let me get your thoughts.
My wife and I were getting her retired spouse ID renewed at the Clay Army National Guard Center near Atlanta. It was one of those pandemic arrangements where you wait outside in the parking lot until called. An energetic young man, mid 20’s, walked out of the ID Office and headed to the retro Dodge Challenger parked next to us. I guessed he had waited a long time, so I asked him if he had gotten what he had come for. He grinned and said, “I’m retired.” Then he showed us his new Medical Retiree ID. I was surprised, but I assumed there was some good reason for his medical retirement. He asked me how long I had been in the service, and I told him 22 years. Then, without me asking any further questions, he volunteered the following.
He had served one hitch. During his enlistment, he had witnessed an automobile accident while he was off base and off duty. At the scene of the accident, he had held two of the victims as they died. Undoubtedly a very traumatic situation. When he got to the end of his hitch, he got out of the Army with no disability. Then he started talking to other veterans in the area, and they advised him to go to the VA and see if he couldn’t get enough disability on the basis of PTSD to have a medical retirement; apparently there was a website that provided additional instructions. At the VA, because he had had the trauma at the automobile accident, they identified him as having PTSD and gave him sufficient disability to get a medical retirement. He currently has a job working construction.
The last thing he said to me before he drove off, “With the 22 years you had in the service, I’ll bet there is something they can find where they can give you a medical retirement.”
So, in summary, here are the facts: (1) A young vet (2) medical retirement ID (3) no noticeable disfunction (4) according to the vet, the basis for the retirement was non-service-related PTSD.

Response by FN Steve Heglmeier made Jan 21 at 2022 8:08 PM

FN Steve Heglmeier — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:08:13 -0500

I don't know his triggers, (no pun intended). It's hard to say what's in someone else's head.

I always loved dogs, then I went to a business, and their dog looked at me like it was friendly. I looked away and the dog was on me before I was able to turn back to it. It tore up my arm and did a lot of nerve damage which still gives me problems to this day. I was in the hospital for four days. It wasn't just a dog bite, they couldn't get the dog to release and he tore into the bone as well. I had a lot of problems with all dogs after that for some time. Then I purposely put myself around friends' dogs, even took care of them including giving the dogs pills. It's a weird thing with anxiety and PTSD, it hits you at the most inopportune time. You can be fine around dogs, then something I can't explain hits you and you're around a girlfriend's dog and you freeze up. All over again you see the blood gushing from your arm and just have to get out of there. I've gotta say, it's a good way to change girlfriends.

Others that I love have dealt with anxiety and depression over other things. Even doctors will tell you the meds take at least a month to see if they're even going to work. With my dad, we probably tried a dozen drugs. It ripped my heart out to see him gripped with depression after his heart problems. He went from very outgoing, to rarely going out. Then one day he got up and he was back again. Five years later he was coming home from church, froze, and we had to go get him. He refused to drive after that and was paralyzed with depression, wouldn't go out, for the last 3 years of his life. Otherwise, he was healthy, the doctors said all his other organs were in great shape. The doctors said it was the anxiety and depression that killed him. But he was 89, and if I make it to 89, I want it said that old age was the cause of my death.

We should know much more about mental illness. But the billionaires are too busy trying to go to Mars, than to do some real good with all that money, like solving our mental health crisis. The brain is an organ just like the liver or kidneys, and if one had a problem with any other organ they'd seek treatment. But our country judges people who have MI and we can't treat it as effectively as other organs of the body. Then, when you put on top of that, a person who enjoys shooting or hunting, people will want to take your guns away if they know you have issues, it forces many to hide their MI. That just compounds the problems. I'm currently holding guns for a friend whose wife said he had issues. They gave me the guns to hold while things calm down. And they both agreed that I only give back the guns when both of them are satisfied with the treatment he's getting, as well as both of them as a couple, and his adjustment to his new meds. MI is a difficult problem for our entire country, not just our veterans.

The best therapy for someone with a fear is to face it.

Response by SPC Andrew Toombs made Jan 23 at 2022 11:35 AM

SPC Andrew Toombs — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:35:43 -0500

VA totally modified and further rearranged my creditials, and I late on got sick really bad. You scenario sounds like a person that should not have been in. But then, it is not like Active duty medical keeps a good status health record. I think there should be bi-yearly physical check ups in the medical on active duty personnel, it would help ID who can deploy, and helps with sorting out injury related disabilities

Response by SPC Andrew Toombs made Jan 23 at 2022 11:36 AM

SPC Andrew Toombs — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:36:46 -0500

They VA does investigate those people, it just takes finding the file and realizing it. I have a hard enough time sorting through my medical file

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2022 2:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 14:36:19 -0500

What is it exactly you think you can accomplish here?

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Jan 23 at 2022 7:40 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:40:19 -0500

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is not limited to those who are exposed to combat or even those in the military. After I retired I went back to school and worked and earned a degree in Psychology. Unless I had more information and sat down with the individual, I would not begin to try to diagnose him/her state of PTSD.

Any of us could have some degree of PTSD from trauma suffered in the military or civilian life. As a Counselor, I have spoken to adults who were raped and never got over the trauma, yet they are not combat veterans. As a CPS investigator and supervisor, I have observed children who were severely abused and suffered from PTSD.

MSgt B Grimes your supposition is possible in every way. The member could have faked it from the beginning or not. Did he have a preexisting condition when joining the ANG? Possible. Now prove it. Unless s/he has a documented mental condition that disqualifies him/her from a CC or any other reason for owning a firearm, why would you try to take away his/her 2nd Amendment rights? This is a case for the VA and other mental professionals to determine by interview and treatment if needed, not me in an RP Forum.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Jan 23 at 2022 10:33 PM

LCpl Steve Smith — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:33:41 -0500

Like Many have stated PTSD is not just a Combat Related thing, it can happen to anyone for just about any reason. Also, when one joins the military even in a Grunt Unit the military tells you if or when you see Combat not you lol so those that don't even when they sign up during a Conflict or war to do so might not even see combat, does that make them less of a service member? They didn't have a choice in the matter so why be upset about it? 100% of the Combat Vets I've met and interacted with have told me be glad that I never saw combat and that they are happy I didn't have to because they don't want anyone to ever have to go through what they did Old and Young. Now the kid in question being a faker or not is really not anyone's place to say since he has gone through the crazy hoops and months to years of doctor evaluations of all sorts to get rated 100%. We don't know what other mental issues the kid might have nor do we know the specificts of his medical evaluation preformed by the VA. Yes he could be scamming the system, there are scammers everywhere, so it is a possibility, but Scammers are less then 1% of the veterans being rated and being approved for payments and or treatment. Is it right to Scam the system? No, but the VA has approved him so he's legit as far as they are concerned. Like I said we don't know what's in his Medical Records so going off of 3rd party hearsay is not proof of any wrong doing.

Response by PFC Michael Lewis made Jan 24 at 2022 10:29 AM

PFC Michael Lewis — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:29:07 -0500

I am not a psychologist

Response by HN Thomas Roundtree made Mar 3 at 2022 9:45 PM

HN Thomas Roundtree — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 21:45:32 -0500

I served in the navy as a hosptial corpsman with marine infantry, worked as a Veterans Service Officer and currently work for the DVA as a legal administrative assistant and I would say that based on my experience every servicememver and/or veteran perceives experiences differently from the next. One who may has never fired his/her weapon may deal with the same or even more trauma then one who did so on a regular basis. There's not a cookie cutter solution or means to diagnose PTSD, even though VA tries. I myself felt bad for even filing a claim after my service being i thought that since my extremities weren't missing or I didn't kill someone in combat that I didn't have a legitimate reason to file. Yet looking back at how my life was in shambles and the abuse those around me endured after my first few years of leaving service I have no question as to what was going on. I would also say that most doctors know that some conditions can never be "cured". One of them being PTSD. It's only suppressed or the person doped up on so many meds that their a zombie and don't perceive reality anymore. So many veterans choose to forego them. If the veteran is claiming to be cured this may be a part of the delusion which is still symptomatic of PTSD. It seems your speaking from the perspective of being a civilian and never having served in any capacity. Usually civilians are more concerned and upset about the monetary benefits veterans receive and not understanding of the what we have to endure from boot camp to EAS. Combat is not the only mechanism that can cause PTSD.

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Mar 3 at 2022 10:08 PM

MSG Reid Zohfeld — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:08:48 -0500

I was actually encouraged to claim PTSD
I shocked The reply I was given was I was away from my family so I had to it
I still refuse to claim it

Response by Cpl Alfonso Holguin made Mar 3 at 2022 10:36 PM

Cpl Alfonso Holguin — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 22:36:33 -0500

He is lazy and is scamming the system

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Mar 4 at 2022 11:57 AM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 11:57:21 -0500

The presumption is that the veteran was fit for duty upon enlistment.

PTSD with homicidal expressions is, indeed, very serious. So are delusions.

If he is truly a threat to himself or others then the proper agencies need to be notified.

His PTSD is not cured. It doesn’t work that way. It may be latent, but something that has been with him at least 12 years doesn’t get cured.

But threats and delusions can be indications of serious problems that may require intensive treatment and very close monitoring.

Bet he didn’t think of that if your suspicions are true.

Response by Col Nichole Lane (USAFA '88) made Mar 4 at 2022 11:59 AM

Col Nichole Lane (USAFA '88) — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 11:59:38 -0500

This post is one year old. Most agencies handle these situations by demanding restitution of benefits even if he must pay for the remainder of his life. Sometimes fraud is difficult to prove but money talks hence restitution I would surmise.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Mar 4 at 2022 12:03 PM

CSM David Porterfield — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 12:03:25 -0500

Problem is that the VA no longer requires proof that you where actually in any traumatic events overseas. I had a soldier claim PTSD from Kosovo and got it. I also had a soldier on my last trip to Afghanistan claim PTSD when he never even heard a Taliban gun shot. He claimed PTSD with the VA and got a rating. I called the VA and spoke to a few people to let them know he was a fake and never had a traumatic event in Afghanistan which was his only tour. The VA acted like I was the problem not him and one of them told me I was a problem to his recovery. Recovery from what? The VA is partly to blame for so many fake PTSD claims. The bigger problem in my eyes are my brothers and sisters who I know have PTSD but haven't gone for treatment.

Response by CPT Jay Ward made Mar 4 at 2022 12:21 PM

CPT Jay Ward — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 12:21:57 -0500

It appears that his threat to kill comrades if it was one of the justifications for his release from duty might be a YEs answer to BATF Form 4473 question 20c or 20i, prohibiting person from purchasing a firearm. The answer to those questions would be in the details concerning his disability which is priviliged information to us, but FBI/BATF might have legal access.

Response by SMSgt Robin Wright made Mar 4 at 2022 8:17 PM

SMSgt Robin Wright — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 20:17:56 -0500

Just because you think he's faking it doesn't mean he is. Every "lie"and stating he's cured could all be part of his PTSD. Many veterans are "ashamed" to admit weakness to others that don't have the same experiences to fully understand what PTSD can do to a person. Claiming to be a heroic sniper could just be his PTSD manifesting in compensating ways. He may feel he shouldn't have PTSD because he never fired his weapon, or that others wouldn't truly understand if he wasn't some kind of "hero." You're assuming he lied to the VA - but in my experience with VA, they leave no stone unturned to find truths. His military records would not support lies about his actual duties, etc. So all that said, I wouldn't approach this situation at all. The VA took their time in determining his diagnosis and eventually determined his disability is valid. You, nor I, have any knowledge or idea of what's going on with him. Just my humble opinion.

Response by Cpl Jeremy Jones made Mar 5 at 2022 2:00 AM

Cpl Jeremy Jones — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 02:00:30 -0500

Tough one sounds like he worked the system but who am I to say that I don’t know what is in his head

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Mar 5 at 2022 1:02 PM

CWO4 Miles Weaver — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 13:02:07 -0500

I'm going to stay out of this because the VA rating system is flawed across the board. I have a number of friends who are drawing 95% and 100% disability from the VA, yet they are working as law enforcement officers and pass a strenuous physical test every year. To be 100%, you should be house or bedridden. It's too lax, the system is rife with false or exaggerated claims that are granted so this guy didn't do anything except what thousands (probably millions) of others have done. Please note, this is not addressed to the millions of veterans with valid claims -- they deserve everything they can get.

Response by PO2 Stephen Brownell made Mar 5 at 2022 4:44 PM

PO2 Stephen Brownell — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 16:44:39 -0500

If they falsely claim P T S D they should be charged with a criminal offense. Because the ones with actually P T S D will have a harder time getting there claim approved

Response by PFC Salomon Matos Jr made Mar 5 at 2022 5:17 PM

PFC Salomon Matos Jr — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 17:17:04 -0500

Let it go. This will n ever be investigated and a conclusion will never be drawn from sny investigation.
Sounds like something personal between you and the veteran. Let it go, in the end he/she will get their due.

Response by SPC Stephen Kraft made Mar 6 at 2022 4:58 PM

SPC Stephen Kraft — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 16:58:15 -0500

How would I “approach situation”? I wouldn’t, and I’d tell anyone who tries to follow your poorly written screed to do the same thing:
Mind your own fucking business.
I could tear apart your argument line by line, but haven’t the time. But I will point out this from your example. If it is an actual case-in-point and not some red herring, the fact that PTSD showed up years later is perfectly understandable.
If this is coming from “his family”, your entire post is worth about the same as my dog’s shit I cleaned this morning. Maybe he lied to his family to downplay his rating; maybe they lied to you to make themselves look better
Many individuals struggle with taking meds, especially when they start to work and the patient begins to think they’re cured. Let’s talk about that in 5 or so years.
The fact that the VA doesn’t allow some asshole to poke around in a patient’s protected medical files says to me they are doing their job. You have no right to know a thing about anyone else’s medical record, and the comments you make about why you think he’s lying show just how truly ignorant you are on the matter.
1. Ptsd isn’t only about firing your weapon. In fact, it isn’t about war. It’s about stress. Get it?
His symptoms show up when he is exposed to external stimuli, like uniforms and other military details. This happens rather quickly, within a year. Yep. That’s one way it can happen.
Again, mind your own fucking business.
You don’t know what is in anyone’s medical or psychological records, yet you are quick to say his PTSD comes from “gunfire”, therefore he shouldn’t be allowed to own a firearm. I can’t comment on if your red herring should own a firearm or not. I can say, using your own “gunfire” requirement, that very few Air Force veterans would qualify.
Again, mind your own fucking business. Start digging around on someone’s VA records and it will bite you on your ass.

Response by SGT John Ball made Mar 6 at 2022 5:07 PM

SGT John Ball — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 17:07:39 -0500

By choice, I just won't get VA Disability. Sure, my issues would get me rated at least 70 percent. However, I still continue to work and if I can still work, I just won't make a claim. Yes, my wife screams to high heaven about my refusal to file a claim. I tell her, if I can still work, I am not that disabled, and I believe some other veteran needs it more than I do. Moreover, I make a very decent living with good benefits anyways.

Response by SPC Stephen Kraft made Mar 6 at 2022 5:12 PM

SPC Stephen Kraft — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 17:12:07 -0500

Ptsd wouldn’t be a “preexisting condition” when he joined the guard. He didn’t have to join at all.
Your argument is fucked up like a football bat. Sounds like someone stole your dog, or your wife.
If a soldier develops ptsd on active duty, but it isn’t diagnosed, not does it show itself, until after joining the guard, how is it preexisting, and what makes you think it’s fraudulent.
“Possibly used similar lies…” but you don’t know if he did. Why?
It’s none of your fucking business.
We got Mrs. Jessica fucking Fletcher over here.

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Mar 7 at 2022 4:58 AM

SrA Ronald Moore — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 04:58:28 -0500

Thanks for sharing

Response by 1LT Michael Contos made Mar 7 at 2022 8:37 AM

1LT Michael Contos — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 08:37:25 -0500

It should be a criminal offense to try to claim you have PTSD when all you're doing is trying to scam the government for monetary benefits. There are now laws against people who try to claim they served in the military but were simply lying for some reason or another.
I think that any veteran who tries to use PTSD in a crooked way should be stripped of all of his or her VA benefits.
I got my PTSD the old-fashioned way. I earned it in the combat zone called the Vietnam War!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2022 4:04 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 16:04:48 -0500

I really hate people trying to harm another veteran. Who made you the Grand PO Bah for the inquisition of Veterans receiving benefits for PTSD. Are you jealous that they have PTSD or do you think only those who experienced what you have are the only ones deserving of benefits.

Folks like you should mind your own business.

Response by PV2 Calvin Richardson made Mar 9 at 2022 8:42 PM

PV2 Calvin Richardson — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 20:42:46 -0500

A soldier dies but once,a coward dies a thousand deaths.

Response by SFC Billy Todd made Mar 9 at 2022 10:01 PM

SFC Billy Todd — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 22:01:22 -0500

It’s easy to assume what’s is going on with someone by making a judgment call, question are you an expert in the field have you dealt with any cases on mental health issues?cases are similar but individuals handle situation differently than others.

Response by SGT Pedro Belardo made Mar 9 at 2022 11:15 PM

SGT Pedro Belardo — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 23:15:21 -0500

Very interesting question. Sometime ago I was watching a real life crime case on TV were a couple got involved in defrauding the VA and donors of their not for profit veterans organization. A group of alert veterans members of the local American Legion noticed this couple and their fraudulent practices and alerted the VA. The VA started an investigation on them and a full stakeout of their home. It happened that the husband, I believe he was a veteran but not a highly decorated combat one like he portrayed to be and he also got his wife VA disability benefits without she ever been a service member. I believe you can go to the VA hospital were this veteran gets taken care of and report him.

Response by SFC Michael W. made Mar 11 at 2022 6:08 PM

SFC Michael W. — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:08:06 -0500

So...did the 100% Disability "cured" his PTSD?
I never heard anyone say they were ever cured from it...
You can be in combat without ever firing a weapon, a lot of UN missions are like that (I know from experience), but PTSD can occur in almost any situation, combat or not. You will have a tough time trying to prove him wrong even if you were deployed with this soldier...

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2022 6:59 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:59:12 -0500

I think if you can prove that he used it to NOT go overseas ("Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades."), then you can make a case for a BS claim.
Link below if you absolutely feel compelled to have this person looked into.

https://www.justice.gov/elderjustice/va-benefits-fraud-0

Veteran's Benefits

Response by SCPO Victor Glaviano made Mar 13 at 2022 11:55 PM

SCPO Victor Glaviano — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:55:44 -0400

Oh boy, this is topic that will get emotions high!

I can say as combat veteran of Afghanistan, I know people who are 100% no combat, no sexual assault or rape, they are higher rated than I am with combat injuries, but I believe in not taking everything so the people who really need it have it available. I have all my body parts still, had a vehicle blown up by an IED, I walked away limping, but walked away never put in for a Purple Heart, people asked me why and I point to men half my age in wheelchairs, again I think they deserve more than I do.

Response by CPT Steve Hammond made Mar 15 at 2022 10:10 AM

CPT Steve Hammond — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 10:10:11 -0400

This POS is a malingerer. I was both an EM and an O and did 3 tours in Iraq beginning with Desert Storm. I was wounded twice, once nearly fatally. I am an 82% DAV and I earned every single point of that rating. I retired in 2009 and STILL have nightmares of all of the firefights I was in.

This POS belongs in Leavenworth in a CAGE.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2022 5:50 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 05:50:33 -0400

Either fraud or severe psychosis. Mental health is tricky ground, either such a person is acting knowingly or is living multiple realities ( much more dangerous for him and others). Definitely should be kept from firearms in any case. Sounds similar to my ex's "Jody boy". Could be a pathological liar. Does he present as being highly charasmatic?

Response by SSgt William Bull made Mar 31 at 2022 10:31 AM

SSgt William Bull — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:31:38 -0400

Scamer.

Response by SPC Floyd Hall made Mar 31 at 2022 12:52 PM

SPC Floyd Hall — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:52:00 -0400

Claiming anything falsely is just wrong. Given they are making a claim for which many have been denied, and those people are from a small select group who put their lives on the line for their country makes their deceit all the worse.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 31 at 2022 1:16 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:16:40 -0400

Lol. What does it matter ? It’s done cant unflush that toilet

Response by MSgt William Hammett Jr made Apr 5 at 2022 2:56 PM

MSgt William Hammett Jr — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 14:56:14 -0400

He should be barred from VA healthcare and his compensation benefits.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2022 3:47 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 15:47:38 -0400

It's really sad reading thru so many stories of Veterans suffering for decades prior to the VA finally recognizing their condition as "Service" connected and therefore compensable. On the other side Multiple Cities across the US the most recent Palm Springs, CA will pay Transgender Residents $900 Monthly solely for self-identifying as Trans or non-binary, no strings attached and regardless of their income!

Response by CAPT John Waddell made Apr 9 at 2022 4:32 PM

CAPT John Waddell — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 16:32:59 -0400

I'd simply mind my own business. I'm not qualified nor authorized to second guess the system.

Response by SGT Tom McWilliams made Apr 11 at 2022 9:57 AM

SGT Tom McWilliams — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:57:28 -0400

He is none of your business unless he is your child.

Response by SSgt Scotty Marks made Apr 11 at 2022 12:32 PM

SSgt Scotty Marks — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:32:29 -0400

It is very difficult to get service connected for PTSD, or for anything at all for that matter. I've been fighting them for pulmonary hypertension that is directly service connected and have been awaiting appeal for 7 years.

Response by PO3 Eugene Hildebrand made Apr 11 at 2022 2:33 PM

PO3 Eugene Hildebrand — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:33:56 -0400

All people who have ever served in the military suffer from PTSD in some form or another. It is inherent to serving. Be it in the thick of combat or in the rear with the gear. That being said, the scenario provided though does appear to be someone scamming for a high rating.

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made Apr 13 at 2022 3:19 AM

Sgt Judy Leonard — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:19:38 -0400

I don’t think your they’re doctor and only a doctor can determine the diagnoses.

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made Apr 13 at 2022 3:23 AM

Sgt Judy Leonard — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:23:09 -0400

If they joined with a preexisting condition the military can still be at fault for accepting them and elevating the condition. A person doesn’t need to use their weapon or be in combat to suffer PTSD

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made Apr 13 at 2022 10:03 AM

Sgt Judy Leonard — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:03:49 -0400

I think it’s none of your business and probably not his doctor. Do you deserve your rating?

Response by Sgt Judy Leonard made Apr 13 at 2022 10:07 AM

Sgt Judy Leonard — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:07:21 -0400

What’s your judgement of me since you find it necessary to probe my profile? Am I real? Do I deserve my rating?

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Apr 13 at 2022 11:18 AM

MSgt Eric Roseberry — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:18:01 -0400

I'd suggest we have no idea. I assisted a ground search following a crashed C130. That impacted me deeply... who knows really.

Response by PO3 Janet Waters made Apr 13 at 2022 3:48 PM

PO3 Janet Waters — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:48:13 -0400

You do not need to fired a weapon to get PTSD. And you do not need to serve overseas to get PTSD. There could have been something else that cause his PTSD in the military We should not judge unless we are doctors.

Response by SPC Paul Missick made Apr 14 at 2022 12:11 PM

SPC Paul Missick — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:11:39 -0400

A person can claim all they want, but it requires a medical professional to do the paperwork to even get a claim considered...so a false claim would cost a doctor or psychologist their license...

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Apr 14 at 2022 8:24 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 20:24:31 -0400

I have had two times where PTSD was mentioned to me at the VA. One was the Dr. who conducted the C&P Exam. He is of the opinion that all Combat Veterans should be an automatic 10% for PTSD. The second was with a Psychologist I was referred to by mistake, but I went anyways. The Dr. told me that I seemed to be well adjusted, but things change, and I could come back anytime I felt things were going less well. Unfortunately we can't just see who has issue and who needs help easily, and conversely, we can't tell who is faking or had a pre-existing condition. If someone serves with honor, I would hope they also have the character to be truthful in this matter too.

Response by SSgt Mathew Cummings made Apr 14 at 2022 9:14 PM

SSgt Mathew Cummings — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 21:14:02 -0400

1. DoD is highly increasing MEPS evaluations for in-processing. 2. Not a psychologist, though it would be probably be noted on his exit physical. Meaning he would have had to have been cleared before joining. The Guard unit would possibly launch an investigation for malingering. Highly unlikely though, more than likely just pushed to the door. If it took him 12 years, more than likely had a federal hearing, lied to a Federal judge. 3. Yes he can have a concealed carry, if at the evaluation time he did not claim suicidal or homicidal tendencies. 4. Yes, if a Service Officer helped during the claim and suspected them, they are mandated to report it. I would report it to the Public Contact office at the VBA. They have a channel which will start a re-evaluation of disabilities.

Response by 1SG Danny Vorreyer made Apr 14 at 2022 11:47 PM

1SG Danny Vorreyer — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:47:54 -0400

After living with the Medical Community I can't comment because I am not certified or licensed either. The person with PTSD, skip these comments, the stigma is over. Get help, keep getting help and be good to yourself and family.

Response by SFC Rick Brooks made Apr 15 at 2022 2:15 PM

SFC Rick Brooks — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:15:21 -0400

I read these posts and what people don't realize is PTSD does not have to be combat related or how many times you were deployed PTSD is a mental situation that you deal with in some way me I joke about everything does it get me in trouble sometimes but it gets me through the hard times I deal with I have been told to file I choose not to and will never give anybody shit over their situation

Response by MSgt Earl King made Apr 15 at 2022 4:04 PM

MSgt Earl King — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 16:04:20 -0400

I was in Viet Nam, retired in 1987, and had never heard of PTSD. Every 4th of July I would be very stressed, my wife was afraid to go to sleep because she would wake me up because I would stop breathing, and I would get very emotional at times, like driving and just bust out crying. My wife's friend suggested I go to the VSO. That's where my journey started, my military history, and joining the VA system I see a mental health Dr. every 3rd month and take meds. All those years in the Marines I didn't know what was wrong with me. Neither did the Marine Corp.

Response by Cpl Gunner Stout made Apr 17 at 2022 3:01 PM

Cpl Gunner Stout — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:01:53 -0400

This is an old thread, and an even older bltch. I remember sitting in the Senior NCO club one night as a civilian (VSO) guest and listening in the E-8's and above complain about how screwed up their troops were, the shirking, fakery, cowardice, incompetence, on and on, and I can't help but wonder if the good MSgt missed that "superior banter and camaraderie" and sought it here.
The VA does have a legal path for investigation, but Senior 'E's aren't on it for a reason, otherwise they'd be doing nothing but re-investigating every award decision they ever make. For the record 100% dis for PTSD isn't just handed out based on a "good story".

Response by SSgt Richard Austin made Apr 17 at 2022 6:44 PM

SSgt Richard Austin — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:44:35 -0400

I know 3, and all three where non-combat combat action MOS's. All three went to VA about the same time. At a point when VA was telling them they had PTSD 2008-2014. They have done nothing except sit on their butts while 5 time combat Marine MOS types like myself suffer from real illegal years anthrax (serium) cancer and get nothing! It's all a scam, being scammed, perpetuating a scam. Blah, blah, blah! Don't get me wrong, VA gives us cancer treatments, but it's all in hiding the truth. Burn pit victims, coverup for the real much larger cause. Immunity deficiencies caused by 20 years of illegal anthrax vaccines! Hmm, pay for 100k veterans, or pay for millions. If the anthrax vaccine hasn't gotten you yet, stand by!

Response by SSG Ronnie Olivas made Jun 11 at 2022 6:15 PM

SSG Ronnie Olivas — Sat, 11 Jun 2022 18:15:06 -0400

I don't understand so if you have ptsd you can't hunt carry a weapon the wwp puts programs in place to help you by hunting fishing with other combate Vets. I don't know the whole story but some people have it really bad and some have it but I do beleive calling a man a lier is sad look at all the police officers that have it and still working look all the people that lost love one and trying to survive I beleive that with this mentality we are really hurting soldiers that have issues with ptsd because they feel their lives are over I think you need to be in their shoes before you judge and they refuse to get help because they will be judged every step by people who think they know

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Jun 12 at 2022 2:33 PM

Sgt Ivan Boatwright — Sun, 12 Jun 2022 14:33:49 -0400

PTSD means something. For me, holding and watching a Marine friend die while I was unable to help him in Nam. It means seeing many people die on both sides and later understanding that it was all a wasted effort. Now, I wonder why I killed and why I buried friends and have other friends maimed for life. PTSD is about women raped and the horror they will live with forever. PTSD is the child that saw a veteran commit suicide because they cannot live with their inter-demons. PTSD is many things for many people. None of us are able to judge others and their feelings.

Response by SPC James Cooke made Jun 12 at 2022 7:31 PM

SPC James Cooke — Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:31:48 -0400

Within my first year at Fort Riley, a soldier in my company was discharged and received 100% disability for PTSD. Was it from combat? Nope. This soldier never went into combat. Was it rather from pre-service or a conflict during service outside of combat? Maybe. Is it any of my business? Nope.

Response by SGT Rudy Gibson made Jun 15 at 2022 4:45 PM

SGT Rudy Gibson — Wed, 15 Jun 2022 16:45:06 -0400

Having PTSD from gunfire and having a CCW is not the same. Sounds like a liberal trying yet again. To take away guns. With that being said. I am not a doctor. Neither are you. This young man was evaluated and deemed to have an issue. One does NOT have to serve in combat.

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Jun 16 at 2022 3:59 PM

SGT Timothy Posemato — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 15:59:57 -0400

Well, I have a son in law who entered the military with mental problems and alcoholism, depression, bipolar and schizophrenia, how he got in I don't have the slightest idea, arrested by MPs a few times for drunk and disorderly as well as spouse abuse. Served 15 years, never left stateside, finally separated for being an E4 up to the 15 year mark, upon discharge he was separated 100% due to mental issues, ALL he had prior to enlistment. How does that happen. He even admitted to hearing voices before he enlisted to his VA Psychologist. How does that happen?

Response by Cpl Eric Young made Jun 16 at 2022 6:28 PM

Cpl Eric Young — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 18:28:38 -0400

Look………. Let the VA handle this stuff. It’s not your business to be the VA’s Disability police. Unless they hired you to do it.

I would agree that it is fishy that someone who never saw any combat is receiving 100% disability. But it’s just not my business and it doesn’t affect me if they’re telling the truth or if they are lying.

I’m sure there are people who slip through the cracks and are getting something they don’t deserve…..

Response by SGT K G made Jun 16 at 2022 6:31 PM

SGT K G — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 18:31:10 -0400

You need educating on PTSD period.

And this is why we still have #22aday.

Response by PO3 Jim Polichak made Jun 16 at 2022 11:26 PM

PO3 Jim Polichak — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 23:26:29 -0400

A VA psychologist should know his history and be able to verify it.
He probably did not join fraudulently. But the PTSD claim probably is.

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Jun 17 at 2022 6:16 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 06:16:52 -0400

PTSD is like a back ache, it’s hard to prove if a person has it or not. I will say this, if a person is making a false claim, then he or she is cheating veterans such as myself. I’ve done 10 combat tours, I didn’t recognize I had PTSD until someone pointed out my actions to me. If someone is going through life without, think of all the veterans that are dealing with substance abuse and other issues that may affect day to day life. Those are the ones you cheat

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Jun 17 at 2022 7:59 PM

MSG Brenda Neal — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 19:59:14 -0400

I recently watched a explanation of 100% ratings and VA ability to reduce them. I know the fraud is off the charts as the diagnostic symptoms are on the internet and easily faked if the psychiatrist isn't aware of what trauma is. It isn't emotional as this case seems to appear. A continuous alerting to the environment or being on guard all the time is a physical reaction of the body releasing adrenaline to survive. Bright light, noise coming from all directions in public, words that were used in the environment that was a threat. The mind is searching for the threat even when there is none. i.e. gun fire, listening for any movement if someone is sneaking up on you or you on them. For me, cardiac monitors, overhead announcing (code blue), listening for someone crying out in pain and anything else critical that was my responsibility to handle. Interviewing someone definitely needs proof of what the trauma was and still is. I attended a large support group of veterans where the instructor was teaching them how to get their 100%! I had it stopped and the instructor was fired. I believe the VA is catching up to the rest of the world about trauma but still isn't educated enough to deal with it appropriately. If I hear learning coping skills will make you all better, I'll scream! So many different treatment options with reduced medicating and to stop calling it a mental disorder. It's a syndrome with a series of events leading up to the alerting response. Fakes would not stand up to appropriate clinical observation. Hooking a person up to a heart/ respiration/BP monitor and asking questions would show the physical response. Anyway, I think the ratings are being reviewed and service connection criteria modified for more accuracy, to ensure the medical help is given to those that have earned it.

Response by PFC Michael Lewis made Jun 22 at 2022 8:57 PM

PFC Michael Lewis — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:57:32 -0400

I myself never asked for PTSD rating. I never wanted to stigma the go along with that rating. But as the government and the psychiatrist and doctors at the VA put that tag on me. I would never use a weapon to hurt anyone, But just saying that I have thought about using a weapon on myself get me to the point.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jul 15 at 2022 2:32 AM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 02:32:27 -0400

On the topic of PTS, it is not always combat related. In fact, PTS is far more common than most realize. It can present itself from ANY traumatic situation that one may endure. Case in point, I grew up as a USAF dependent before I enlisted. Four times during those years, my siblings and I witnessed military plane crashes; one in a civilian housing developement. One time, I witnessed a military member commit suicide. After I enlisted (I was in during the Cold War), I witnessed another plane crash where I actually knew who was flying the fighter jet and sadly, he died.

I have PTS. Do you think that I attribute it to those things I saw back then? I personally do not think so. I worked 17 years in surgery; 9 of those years in trauma surgery. I have seen all kinds of mutilations and destructions to the human body and to work with a team at breakneck speed to try to help save lives. I have seen everything from stabbings to MVAs to gunshots and arrow/ crossbow bolt wounds, farm accident and accidental amputations. It wears on a person and before long, one developes triggers. I now live in a low income community saturated with crime, drugs and shootings. I cannot afford to move. Each time I hear gunfire, the triggers kick in along with the need to go look for victims and render aid. I have found two in the past 3 years that I was able to help. One, I could not. And here is the odd thing, I have gotten used to the gunfire. I have never gotten used to the injuries that I have seen in the past or now.

I get why PTS is so difficult to identify and treat. I judge nobody when I hear the acronym. To know what a person went through and what triggers affects them is almost impossible. Hell, I don't even know which of my triggers are going to turn up for me with the exception of the dreams afterwards. I never claimed my PTS on my VA Disability claim. Maybe I could have since about 100 of us airmen walked the flightline picking up debris from the crash that I saw from base ops. But I didn't because I felt my trauma was all of those years working in surgery. I have a great therapist, care team and absolutely fantastic support surrounding me. I am a member of two veteran charities that acticely works to help vets in need; sometimes that need is to help them get into a program.

Now, per the origonal post, can it be faked? Hell yes it can and it is quite a lot. Technology is getting better at identifying it. I had multiple EEGs and MRIs to identify my problem with it. Can everyone claiming it be 100% proven? Not at this time but as I said, technology is getting better.

Response by SGT Arthur Tompkins made Jul 26 at 2022 8:18 PM

SGT Arthur Tompkins — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 20:18:20 -0400

First of all the Government is supposed to go over your entire life's history before committing to excepting your dead asses. Just kidding. Lol But, seriously they take on that entire commitment of your future health. Period. Now to fraudulently file a claim with any government organization is punishable of up to ten years and 10000 dollars in fines . Thank you!

Response by SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko made Jul 27 at 2022 9:23 AM

SPC Ryan Dostie-Osenko — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 09:23:01 -0400

You don’t need to be in a firefight to suffer from PTSD. I also “only” served one deployment and I also joined the National Guard after active duty. The thing about PTSD is that it’s not immediate. I didn’t even know I had it until I was almost 2-3 years serving in the Guard. PTSD often starts displaying symptoms once your brain feels it’s in a safe environment. Then it starts to process what it put on hold, and terrible symptoms can follow. I’m also 100% P&T and while it wasn’t something I was trying to get, it still took years upon years of psychiatric help and medicine. So 12 years before getting a 100% rating isn’t uncommon. On top of that, do you know how many doctors you need to go through to get that rating? A LOT. While one can probably lie their way into a lower rating, 100% is hard to get and they don’t want to give it. They’re tough and thorough. While we can’t know for SURE what symptoms this guy has, we do know he was evaluated by multiple doctors who know how to look out for lies and have a vested interest in NOT giving a 100% rating.

As for not taking his meds, LOTS of veterans who need them don’t take them. That doesn’t mean anything except he may need more help and therapy.

As for the lying about being a sniper? Idk. That’s definitely sus. It could be a lie or it could be an attempt to try to validate his PTSD to others.

After all, there ARE people out there who will question if one has PTSD because they’ve “only” been on one deployment and didn’t fire their weapon.

Response by Cpl Tony Simpson made Jul 27 at 2022 12:59 PM

Cpl Tony Simpson — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 12:59:21 -0400

I personally would believe that he is defrauding the government but the decision should be made by the VA. They have the expertise to make that kind of diagnosis

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Jul 27 at 2022 3:39 PM

SPC Daniel Dresen — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 15:39:18 -0400

Some psychiatrists contracted by the VA rubber stamp things and nod without concern of the patient. They often review the full VA records and TRICARE which if this individual has an established physician, will note affect and potential dishonesty. I've had to correct records before and review mine regularly and booted physicians for writing lies. I had an eMRI scheduled after psychotherapy and the new shrink said I was drinking excessive caffinated sugary beverages. My own primary care physician wrote a supporting statement saying I was choking down 3 jugs of liquid barium and had no other beverages during a fasting eMRI procedure... so it all comes down to records, do the C&P reviewers believe the records, is there support for what the service member states and/or contests... etc. This guy may have had other issues exacerbated by his initial enlistment and mental health issues often go undiagnosed. He says he's "cured"... that's laughable. You can manage symptoms but there is no true "cure". I've finally gotten over most fireworks but I duck when I hear gunfire still... the joys of North highlands I guess. If the VA isn't concerned about this guy, it's probably because benefits were supported based on his first enlistment. His national guard enlistment would probably get him a bar to reenlist for defective enlistment agreement as his original enlistment wasn't fraudulent... the issue is his medical health upon re-enlisting. Though he could also get failed medical procurement standards too... that's another NGB administrative catch-all that was used when I processed separations. So... no fraudulent enlistment. And ptsd doesn't require you to fire a weapon either, just an FYI. I was administrative and signal systems support for my deployments. I only left the wire once, my issues come from being on the post attack response team and seeing what was left of my office a day after we packed up the building. I still had a few personal effects I wanted to get but...

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jul 27 at 2022 9:02 PM

SPC Arthur Lowder — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:02:54 -0400

this person have more than PTSD, ptsd come in different form.
maybe he good at what he can do.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2022 10:01 PM

CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 22:01:26 -0400

First and foremost PTSD can be caused by a lot of things besides combat such as Military Sexual Trauma, Personal Assault, Vehicle Accident, getting stuck on the side of a C130 when your chute did not open.... anything that exposes you to trauma that made you "fear for your life and safety". Loss of comrades would even makes it worse, dealing with morale injury, self blame and make sense out of suffering.

The comments mentioned by MSgt Grimes reference to another military service member could be quite complex. More than likely, there's more to it than just what's being said. PTSD cannot be cured all of sudden. It does not just go away, it reoccurs overtime specifically when a stressor triggers it.

You don't have to fire a single shot to be diagnosed or rated for PTSD. In addition, "medication is not the only treatment for PTSD". You have multitude of options such as counseling, Prolong Exposure Treatment (PET), Chronic Pain Treatment (CPT), Cognitive Behavior Treatment (CBT) coupled with LENS, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Transcendental Meditation, Resilience Retreat, and other applicable PTSD available treatment.

Furthermore, just because you are not receiving any continuous care does not mean the symptoms are not there. At times, most of us self-treat with alcohol or other means.

A lot of anomalies and questions arises whether the person joined with a preexisting condition...this might be true, but a question must be answered: "Did the preexisting condition aggravated by the military service? If it is, then its ratable.

Can a PTSD rated Veteran can have a CCW? Absolutely, if he is deemed stable. The person in question must recognize he does have an issue (identification), get treatment for it (act on it - initiative), and stabilized. No different than a Police Officer who is 100% service-connected: (1) is his condition affecting his proficiency and performance at work, (2) is he impaired while on-duty, (2) does (s)he have any egregious behavior while on duty; all leads to fit for duty.

If the claims are indeed fraudulent, VAOIG can investigate the matter and seek charges and prosecution for fraudulent claims.

Response by Sgt Josh Dev made Jul 27 at 2022 11:56 PM

Sgt Josh Dev — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 23:56:16 -0400

This article feels motivated by an institutional reluctance to pay for damage. How can we cut costs? I know, cast doubt on those claiming PTSD. Low class, but I've come to expect this sort of underhanded narrative steering. It's okay, I understand that the DoD needs to keep grossly overpaying Lockheed, L3 Harris, etc., so the politicos can keep getting that sweet sweet campaign money and remarkably well paid speaking gigs. Best to throw the actual war fighters under the bus ... they're the easiest to squeeze. All I'm saying is, how many hurting people don't seek PTSD treatment because of articles like this? And how many of those result in suicides? For shame.

Response by CPL Gary Martin made Jul 28 at 2022 5:36 AM

CPL Gary Martin — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 05:36:51 -0400

I believe there are many claiming PTSD that have nothing wrong with them. I know of one I don’t believe she has it. She never seen combat yet she claims to have it and she somehow got claim approval. I’ve been shot in the back myself and am still fighting my claim. It’s not PTSD. But it’s is for mental health. Mainly depression. They did bump my mental health up from 50% to 70%. But I’m still at total of 90%. Still in the process of getting my total to 100%. I’ve had injections in my lumbar for several years and surgery on lumbar and neck. My whole spine is shot. I got my scooter a couple of months ago to get around on.

Response by CWO2 Harry Craft made Jul 28 at 2022 11:13 AM

CWO2 Harry Craft — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:13:02 -0400

The VA has its own investigators. They just call a 51-year old man claiming to be blind and drawing 100% benefits. The neighbors reported him mowing his grass, driving a car, operating a boat on a lake. VA investigators conducted surveillance on the guy and arrested him for government fraud and charged him $410,000 dollars to pay back to the government and then sent him to prison!

Response by CWO2 Harry Craft made Jul 28 at 2022 11:25 AM

CWO2 Harry Craft — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:25:13 -0400

Well I work for the VA and I know there are a lot of people who try and abuse the system. This hurts those of us who do not abuse the system. But the VA does have Investigators - we have an office right here in Orlando. And if you report someone, they will investigate for abuse. But PTSD is a fine line, there are so many things that can cause it and you may not even know you have it. But the VA does test for it and if you do have it - they will assign you a doctor to work with to try and help. It will take a while, but you can recover.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Jul 29 at 2022 3:16 AM

A1C Isa Kocher — Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:16:31 -0400

as someone with severe PTSD, i personally find this kind of broadside attack on PTSD disability offensive. the VA does not hand out 100% disability for PTSD like candy at holloween to whoever knocks on the door.

PTSD professionals do not give a diagnosis based solely on private personal patient testimony. lying does not get you there. period. the VA adjudicates to deny. Unless someone is a trained PTSD professional, no one can diagnose PTSD or not. People with PTSD have clear objectively measurable signs and symptoms and the diagnosis is based on specific well spelled out criteria. If a trained professional PTSD clinician gives a diagnosis of PTSD, that is a matter of years trained competence and years of professional experience, not speculation.
1. not everyone who's seen combat has PTSD and there are many reasons why some trauma does become permanent while most does not. 2. many veterans who've never seen combat develop PTSD for many reasons: combat is not the only trauma a person might experience while being trained in the military or serving. accidents, hospitalization, medical malpractice, sexual assault, sexual abuse, head injuries, conditions like cancer, any kind of death threatening situation: 3. a traumatic experience or a series of traumatic experiences take many forms, on base and off, and only a trained clinician can give a medically sound evaluation. traumatic experiences are a matter of record. other service people and civilians witness them. 4. there is a well developed science of trauma codified in VA, in DSM5, and in international standards of trauma and PTSD. those cannot be faked. if it is in the records it happened. 5. most people with PTSD are absolutely no threat to anyone and a diagnosis of PTSD is irrelevant to owning and using arms, cars, machinery, kitchen equipment or watching tv. that is an egregious mischaracterization of PTSD. an offensive mischaracterization of every person who has served and been diagnosed with PTSD: people with PTSD are no more a threat to others than any other illness.

About 90% of VA denials of PTSD that go to court are returned to the VA for re-evaluation because the VA denials are so strict they break usa law to deny. the VA aggressively, proactively denies PTSD and only trained qualified experienced PTSD clinicians have any business diagnosing anyone

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Jul 29 at 2022 4:59 PM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Fri, 29 Jul 2022 16:59:51 -0400

Each Veteran has some type of PTSD. Maybe you do not see combat but you may see the result i.e. seeing every day the unloading of the coffins of the fallen. Each case is different and needs to be thoroughly examined by competent physicians.

Response by Forrest Adams made Jul 31 at 2022 6:16 PM

Forrest Adams — Sun, 31 Jul 2022 18:16:30 -0400

My best guess would be at least 50% are falsely claiming PTSD and 99% of civilians. Especially women who have never been near the military let alone combat.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jul 31 at 2022 7:33 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sun, 31 Jul 2022 19:33:16 -0400

I'm ptsd rated, never fired my rifle with the intent to kill... 240/50 on the other hand. Been blown up, mortars, rockets, having to scramble etc...I know what bodies look like, burning vehicles etc

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Sep 4 at 2022 12:39 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 12:39:23 -0400

People, if EVERYBODY in this country had health care, you'd all have health care. Worrying your head over who gets to be in the club just hurts you. PTSD of course is never "healed." It's why the Marines call it Battle Fatigue and treat any stress injury - including rape and childbirth - the same way. The VA gets away with denying you care because they're counting on vets to help deny other vets. Don't play their little game.

Response by James Miller made Sep 4 at 2022 7:50 PM

James Miller — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:50:17 -0400

I worked at a VA Hospital for a while. We had a patient sent to us pending discharge from the Navy because the hospital was closest to his home. He never finished boot camp because he was yelled at by the DI.he rotated back through 2 more time and after the same issue he was sent to the VA. He accumulate enough time to count and was discharged 100% service connected. He started drawing $809.00 a month tax free.

Response by SSgt Suzanne Kremer made Sep 5 at 2022 9:33 PM

SSgt Suzanne Kremer — Mon, 05 Sep 2022 21:33:42 -0400

This post was a few years ago; unfortunately, some seem to fly under the radar regarding benefits. When I entered the military, Women were not allowed in combat roles, and my first deployment was at Ben Giron outside Tele Aviv, Israel during the Gulf War. I don't recall anywhere in the desert where nobody saw combat. I suffered for years on active duty with panic attacks that I was afraid to tell anyone because I would lose out on essential deployments and career-ending. My symptoms kept me alive during my military years. The VA will not diagnose me with PTSD. Nope, not happening. Since I have been a civilian, some ribbons have added devices to them due to congressional appointments and events becoming unclassified. I know there are people on here that have missions that will never be unclassified. My VA doctor constantly sends me to groups so I can have a good relationship with people. I don't think you can get well; PTSD makes a great soldier. It's part of the package.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Sep 8 at 2022 6:38 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 18:38:15 -0400

This is partly why getting service connected is a challrnge.

Response by PVT Brian Desormeaux made Oct 5 at 2022 9:26 PM

PVT Brian Desormeaux — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:26:01 -0400

Apologies, but I'm not reading all the comments. Literally, 90% of our military members have PTSD. Many don't recognize it...many more do. We all have hyper-vigilance, which is a mild to moderated form of PTSD. Sitting in the back of a restaurant, back to the wall, counting exits, and watching people come and go...PTSD. However, not all PTSD is related to combat. The "T" is trauma(tic). There are plenty of other scenarios that create trauma without ever firing or even holding a weapon. For example: Troop goes through airborne school, gets up in the bird, can't jump and locks the hell up...trauma. Tanker is witness to a fellow soldier getting ran over or smashed by a track vehicle...trauma. A soldier is sexually harassed or sexually assaulted...MALE OR FEMALE...trauma. The bullshit stereotypical "30 yard stare" and "You can't have PTSD...you were never downrange." ...that's out. In this particular scenario the OP lays out, that guy is why it is difficult for so many of to get the resources we need. He's a douchebag and someone that knows him should report his BS to the VA Inspector General. Hell, give me a name..I frickin will!

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Oct 5 at 2022 11:41 PM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 23:41:59 -0400

Just worry about you bro. You did your time, others did theirs and everyone's experience is different. As far as I'm concerned it's none of my fukin business what other veterans claim on their C&P.

Response by TSgt Baran Anthony Andrew K. made Oct 6 at 2022 12:44 AM

TSgt Baran Anthony Andrew K. — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 00:44:57 -0400

Too many questions. I am a service-connected disabled veteran wit a rating of 60% total. 40% TBI, 30% Major Depression, and 10% for Tinnitus. No PTSD. It took 20 years from the time of my original claim to the time I was awarded the 30% compensation I was first given, and the remainder through additional claims. And they weight average the total sum of the percentages to get 60%. It seems a little incredible that the individual got 100%. In my case, I had to fight for every dime I receive, and I am so grateful for all of the medical help and other assistance I have received, and I have given back as much as I could through volunteering at functions, like Stand Downs. We should not attack eachother, though. There is more than enough of that going on.
BK

Response by SFC John Raymer made Oct 6 at 2022 7:15 AM

SFC John Raymer — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 07:15:45 -0400

As a retired SFC Veteran I can tell you there is a difference between who deserves to get PTSD disability. Those that push the envelope continuously are generally the ones that know what the symptoms are and compound them during the interview process. I know this to be fact because they are taking away from those that truly need help.
Then there are those veterans that truly have PTSD but say everything is ok! Those are the veterans that are, generally, selling short their issues of what they did or saw during their deployment(s). I can state this from fact as I never fired a weapon but have witnessed mass casualty situations. Most notably Khobar Towers Bombing.
If you are caught not needing any further therapy you are healed and you do not deserve the disability. That's what is wrong with the system!

Response by SSG Michael Davis made Oct 6 at 2022 10:10 AM

SSG Michael Davis — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 10:10:13 -0400

Small arms gunfire is not equitable to large armillary rounds Especially volleys of multiple rounds. Do you have a coherent point?

The last time I checked, .45 or 9 mm rounds do not shake the house off of the foundations. 155mm Howitzers and/or PATRIOT rounds do. Air effects rounds are a little more scary than a 9mm concealed carry firearm that I have under my control.

No one can stoo people from lying unless you are God on Earth. No one can stop me from making a bona fide claim. Were you ever in a fire zone?

Response by CSM Welthie Sanders made Oct 6 at 2022 10:47 AM

CSM Welthie Sanders — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 10:47:27 -0400

None

Response by CSM Welthie Sanders made Oct 6 at 2022 10:51 AM

CSM Welthie Sanders — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 10:51:23 -0400

I go off on people sometimes for nothing.

Response by SSG Anthony Hetherington made Oct 6 at 2022 1:17 PM

SSG Anthony Hetherington — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 13:17:04 -0400

There are a whole lot of assumptions, ignorance and guess work going on here. My thought is walk away.

Response by SPC Michelle Greenwood made Oct 6 at 2022 2:33 PM

SPC Michelle Greenwood — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:33:48 -0400

Unless this is a case for which you have specific knowledge and you were with him on every single duty assignment 100% of the time and have recordings of what he has said to family members this is all secondary information. It is not credible. Please tell us what your qualifications are to determine whether this person has PTSD or not. So many suffer silently because they don't want to be mocked by people like you.

Response by SGT Roman Davis made Oct 6 at 2022 7:21 PM

SGT Roman Davis — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 19:21:09 -0400

First, let me say my comment does not reflect on the OP. In fact, it is an answer with a question. We have been brainwashed to believe that only combat veterans suffer from PTSD. It is a flat lie that has been proven more than once. The definition of trauma is a deeply distressing or disturbing experience. It also states it might be an emotional shock following a stressful event or a physical injury, which may be associated with physical shock and sometimes leads to long-term neurosis.
The VA demands that veterans focus only on combat experience...I will list other trauma that by definition alone might cause PTSD...
1) Accused of a crime, punished, jailed, raped then found innocent of all charges.
2) Given unlawful orders and punished for not completing an unlawful order.
3) Loss of family, friends, co-workers during a declared war event.
4) Feeling hopeless that you will fail your family and that they might have to live without you.
5) Fear for the life of a family member or loved one serving in a combat zone.
....
I see you posted to nearly every agency that exists to help people with trauma related illness. Reading this post about a veteran calling out another veteran is traumatic. An accusation alone is more damaging than guilt or innocence. You openly accused someone whom you have never met and have never walked in the shoes of something that is not even in your control...you do not control who will or will not receive government assistance.
Nothing is free and every veteran, war or not, has delivered a increment of patriotism, peace, and safety of those living in America. Let them investigate, they get compensated a shit-ton of money to address fraud.
Try helping a veteran. You do not know what that means, or how that feels...I can tell. The government agencies that you have paid into are not in the business of giving away anything. And, lastly, you should treat any and all agencies with the same level of understanding as our Miranda Rights...show me one of those CC agencies you posted on that are not in the business of guarding funds set aside for servicemembers and their families.
I hope you never need any one of those agencies...because this post can never be taken back from my mind.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Oct 6 at 2022 8:56 PM

Sgt David Scott — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:56:18 -0400

And I believe that we all know at least one case such as this. Defrauding the Government is bad, but what they are doing to their bothers and sisters is fare worse.

Response by SSG Jason Noyce made Oct 7 at 2022 7:51 AM

SSG Jason Noyce — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 07:51:05 -0400

Unfortunately there's not much you can do unless you have physical proof. Contact https://www.va.gov/oig/hotline/ and direct your concern to them and they should be able to point you in the right direction.

OIG Hotline

VA OIG Hotline Homepage

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2022 9:43 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:43:36 -0400

1: none of your business and sounds like you're just jealous he is getting monetary benefits for stories he embellished to compensate or hide his Moral Injury.

2. PTSD doesn't just happen from combat zones so I'd educate yourself on what PTSD actually is and how people get it. You can check VA website, you can be qualified through ANY situation that is fear of life like a car accident CONUS / hurricane / MST.

3. There is a system for defrauding the government for lying. The VBA has investigators and has caught many especially obvious Orthopedic injuries that a fraudulent vet has a wheelchair during a reevaluation then posts selfies in weight lifting competition.

4. You have no medical expertise and the path to claim any rating has many checks and balances which some do get away with it, but that's on the LICENSED professional's Medical Opinion

Response by CW2 Matt Baum made Oct 7 at 2022 10:55 AM

CW2 Matt Baum — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 10:55:59 -0400

I would approach this situation by staying in my own lane. Unless you are a mental health professional (VA psychologist), who is to say if this person has PTSD or any other mental health condition(s)? In the Air Force as an Air Transporter, I never felt very stressed pushing pallets in "combat zones".
In the Army, I felt some stress as a Combat Medic going out on patrols and QRF in Iraq.
Oh wait, but I never fired my weapons (M9/M4) in combat.
After 9 years of active duty Air Force and several "deployments", I didn't even know how to lock my bolt to the rear. I NEVER had a weapon issued (minus going to the range about 3 times).
My two cents: be concerned with you and yours.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Oct 7 at 2022 12:51 PM

SPC Julio R. — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 12:51:58 -0400

If one was a fobbit that is traumatized that the coffee bean had no coffee. Of the fatty cake store didnt have you shamtastic eats. You can't or shouldn't claim sht.
As for the initial question......
GET A LIFE, WHO CARES WHAT THAT BLUE FALCON IS CLAIMING. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS....
Don't you have anything better to do then to waste your time on some crusade? Do you run around looking for fake soldiers too. Like come on, that guy is an s bag and at the end of the day it'll bite him in the butt. Like come on already do you how many blue falcons claim this and that and they didn't even leave the wire. Just wow.......

Response by SPC Scott Hall made Oct 7 at 2022 2:10 PM

SPC Scott Hall — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:10:23 -0400

I'm 100% P&T for Non Combat PTSD. It is still service connected because the service caused it. My grandmother raised me from the age of 3 and even signed me over to Uncle Sam at the age of 17. I deployed when I was 19 and halfway through my deployment my grandmother died. Upon hearing the news I broke down and was initially told for 24 hours that I would not be able to attend her funeral. Worst 24 hours of my life. I ended up becoming insubordinate towards my commander and 1st Sgt moments before the red cross message came through verifying that she was my primary caregiver my entire childhood thus entitling me to emergency leave. I got 3 days.. long enough to fly home, bury her, and go right back to having potshots taken at me with rpgs. No time to grieve... there's no room for it in a combat zone even though I was just Transportation coordination. Gotta keep the wheels of war rolling right... when I got home I had nothing left as being my grandmother's caregiver is what my life's focus was when I came home. I ended up on drugs which ultimately lead to my discharge from the Army. Even after I got away from the drugs. I kept losing jobs over incidents I had no memory of. Losing relationships for incidents I had no memory of and in 2014 I lost the will to live and attempted suicide. I spent the following 8 months or so recieving extensive inpatient therapy and shortly after I got out I had my final exam with a Psychiatrist and within 30 days of that had my approval letter. Here I am 7 years later. I have a beautiful family that keeps me goin. I tried medications from the VA for the first few years but the side effects from most of it was worse than the problems they were meant to treat. So I gave up and now I just smoke copius amounts of Marijuana and see a therapist regularly. I learned my trigger is being trapped in an unfamiliar environment that I'm unable to escape from at my own will.. it makes my adrenaline skyrocket until I either pass out or blackout and start fighting anyone around me. I've learned to stay home unless absolutely necessary. Point of the story is you never know what another human being has gone through to make them who they are. If they pull away from VA services they probably have their own experiences that made them do so. Not every trauma is the same and you can't claim to know if someone is a fraud without knowing their story.

Response by PVT Ron Tebo made Oct 7 at 2022 2:25 PM

PVT Ron Tebo — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 14:25:31 -0400

MYTH: Combat is synonymous with PTSD! I have a rating for PTSD; nonetheless, I am not a combat veteran and my rating is deserved. I was assaulted (while in uniform) by a high-ranking officer in front of 60-plus soldiers and I am grateful that three soldiers came forward to reinforce my claim--almost 40 years later. Also, the officer (2015) apologized to me for the assault and for ruining my military career! After the assault, he counseled me for discharge--knowing if I stayed I'd have him charged and arrested.

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Oct 7 at 2022 4:58 PM

SN Dale "CG" Veach — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 16:58:55 -0400

I understand your concerns here but I feel that this is not any of our concerns and should be referred to competent authority for advisement. We are not the doctors or medical claims reviewers.

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Oct 7 at 2022 4:59 PM

SN Dale "CG" Veach — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 16:59:36 -0400

It’s not for us to decide or make accusations

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 7 at 2022 11:18 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 23:18:05 -0400

I don’t think people with PTSD can be cured 180 degrees. Maybe 160.

Response by MSG William Wold made Oct 8 at 2022 9:08 PM

MSG William Wold — Sat, 08 Oct 2022 21:08:34 -0400

I am rated at 50%. Their reasoning for no higher, I had a long term marriage (29 but ended in divorce) Long term employment (27 at the same job) I never claimed I wanted to kill myself or take out anyone with me. That's where it sits.

Response by LCDR Robert Luckie made Oct 8 at 2022 10:42 PM

LCDR Robert Luckie — Sat, 08 Oct 2022 22:42:51 -0400

This same VA that refuses to recognize the PTSD of my son-in-law who returned from Iraq and still carries the shrapnel from his surviving a rocket attack some of his compatriots did not. Of course he doesn't campaign for it, tries to get by with little support from the VA, who now many years following his medical retirement has finally just this year given him a provisional 100% disability due to the burn pit legislation.
People who are too damaged to seek the help they need are gladly ignored by the VA.

Response by 1LT Susan Bailey made Oct 9 at 2022 10:32 PM

1LT Susan Bailey — Sun, 09 Oct 2022 22:32:01 -0400

As a Legal Nurse Consultant now, I think it would be really hard to tell if this troop had such a severe disability, without reviewing the applicable records surrounding the issue at hand. That being said, if his service record and his ERB Don’t reflect the type of service he claims to have received his disability from, that seems like a clear-cut case of fraud. However, that being said, others have said PTSD can be accounted for in various ways through service to our country. Perhaps he has other mental health issues which are affecting his judgment or his sense of reality. But otherwise, if one was to claim disability for service never performed I would think that’s a straight up fraud case. If he is receiving benefits from the VA, and nobody seems interested enough to even review whether or not, this is a real service related disability, could you not make an inquiry through your elected official like your senator or somebody like that at that level that you may believe that there is a fraudulent claim of VA benefits occurring? Also, it’s my understanding that if you are receiving retirement benefits from the VA or disability payments from the federal government that is a violation of UCMJ, because anybody in that boat is still required to uphold the standards under UCMJ. And it might be worth attempting to go at it from that perspective if you feel it’s necessary to pursue. Certainly a JAG or somebody would be willing to look into this as a fraud case.

Response by 1LT Susan Bailey made Oct 9 at 2022 10:36 PM

1LT Susan Bailey — Sun, 09 Oct 2022 22:36:21 -0400

For those of you who are suffering from PTSD, and are disabled, have you heard of the organization called 22Zero.org? I strongly recommend to any of you suffering from PTSD that you look into this. Unlike traditional therapies you don’t have to relive this trauma to make your way through it and be healed. I had PTSD from a lot of different events in my life not just service connected, and I’ve tried this. And it worked for me. I strongly suggest that you reach out. Veterans are treated for free and it’s actually a really interesting process, and it’s amazing how you feel. It took a few days to really set in for me, but it really did help. In fact, I am hoping at some point to be able to be a coach with her with this process that’s how much I believe in it. Check it out at the website and see what you think. Tell them Sue Bailey sent you.

Response by SGT L. Ski made Oct 11 at 2022 3:12 PM

SGT L. Ski — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:12:46 -0400

It's right along with sexual trauma. You can't prove that it ever happened if you have ZERO evidence and you can't prove that it never happened if you have zero evidence.
I know a vet who knows a vet who knows vets who are collecting both and are scamming the system(I'm covering my ass here and/or I cannot confirm nor deny the fact of the matter).
Nothing you can do about it and nothing you can do will change it. The VBA is a weird ruthless thing...

Response by SSgt Frank Romo made Nov 5 at 2022 2:52 AM

SSgt Frank Romo — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 02:52:35 -0400

As a combat photographer, I never fired a weapon, I witnessed the destruction of what war brought to our men and civilians. I had to perform my duties and keep focused, I went into areas that we weren’t supposed to be in, locations out of country. That scared me to no end, full well knowing that if captured, I would be MIA. I came home and put those nightmares behind me, now, here 53 years later those ghosts are here, I wake up in sweats. Hearing helicopters, brings me to look up expecting to see Huey’s land and drop off troops. I went to the VA and shared my fears, and was seen by three different Doctors, only to tell me things would be better with time. Just another number in the system, I walked out and still have those sweats and nightmares. I guess that’s the way the VA takes care of us.

Response by SSgt Frank Romo made Nov 5 at 2022 3:23 AM

SSgt Frank Romo — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 03:23:07 -0400

I was a combat photographer, 600 Photo Det 16, Phu Cat AB 70-71. I never fired a weapon, I photographed the destruction and aftermath of a result of combat. I witnessed the maiming and deaths of our men and civilians, I stayed focused and put those horrific images in the back of my mind. My biggest fear was going into places out of country, if caught I’d be MIA, that was my biggest nightmare. As of late 52 years later, those nightmares have come to light, I have been waking up with sweats and anxiety. I went to the VA, saw three different Doctors, only to be told come back and see what happens. I know I have PTSD but the VA doesn’t think I qualify for that. I guess that’s par for the VA, serve your country and get lip service.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Nov 5 at 2022 10:36 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:36:34 -0400

Initial thoughts? Sounds like the question poster is hating on a veteran with a service connected disability rating. If that poster truly feels that there is some kind of fraud going on then the facts should be reported to the VA OIG. Otherwise, all the poster is doing is $hitting on all veterans who have a service connected disability. He or she or they are calling into question the courage the veteran had to disclose intimate details of what they went through. He or she or they are calling into question the countless doctors, psychologists, and claims professions who have awarded the service connected disability. Shame on him/her/they.

Response by SSgt Richard Nagley made Nov 27 at 2022 8:49 PM

SSgt Richard Nagley — Sun, 27 Nov 2022 20:49:38 -0500

PTSD is a complex issue and it can raise its head years later. In addition or instead of PTSD, Depression is another issue. Refer to 38 CFR §4.126, evaluation of disability from mental disorders. As an American Legion Department VSO, we see the problem in young and old Service Men & Women. Before you make a decision on someone or for yourself speak with a knowledgeable Veteran Service Officer. You will need to complete a Form 4138, 0781, and possibly 0781a before you even get to a Comp & Pen Exam. This will not be easy, my Claim process took 8 years. USAF '68-72

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2022 5:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Nov 2022 17:44:34 -0500

At the VA, we do care, even though our policies prevent us from investigating perjury (which is the legal term for what you suggest) or malingering, which is how the Army would see it. If they cared, which they do not. You can have PTSD and serve in the ARNG, you just can't deploy, and MAY be medically or administratively discharged by your command. As for the Brady Act, it only applies to veterans whom we consider "incompetent" according to 38CFR § 3.353.

I can tell you that we do investigate every claim for PTSD, using a veteran's entire personnel and medical file to cross-reference, however once we have determined that a veteran received IDP or HDP or was in a combat zone (or during a combat campaign for older vets) at the time they claim their stressor occurred, the stressor is "conceded". Note here that the investigations of PTSD stressors depend on whether it is fear of hostile action, personal assault (including MST), or non-combat, with a
different evidentiary standard for each.

Every claims processor is different, and the veteran receives the benefit of the doubt by law. Many stressors are not fully investigated, to my great chagrin (having investigated thousands of them), due to the repeatedly liberalized law and lack of meaningful quality control. For instance, a veteran may claim they were assaulted - a stressor which is usually very hard to prove, but because they received IDP during their honorable service, the claims processor requests an exam anyway. At this point, the examiner is expected to verify the PTSD stressor, though technically this is not required since we already conceded a stressor based on "fear of hostile activity", which is the minimum requirement in this case. If the rater doesn't want to delay the outcome, they may award the PTSD rating even though the claimed stressor was never verified. Once the service connection is made, it takes A LOT of work to undo it, and the obligatory pile of evidence required to do this means that it is unlikely to happen.

Rest assured there are those of us who take the cross-referencing process very seriously, and have denied plenty of stressors where conflicting evidence was found. I have even found evidence of altered records being submitted by veterans, but unfortunately, even though this amounts to perjury, there is no action we can take. Fraud, by our definition, is different and therefore we can't even report it. The best we can do is put a note in the file, and deny the claim.

Response by SGT Adrian Pritchard made Nov 30 at 2022 8:44 PM

SGT Adrian Pritchard — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:44:42 -0500

Also there was too much talk about not firing weapon in combat. One does not need to fire a weapon in combat to suffer from PTSD. It is an invisible scar that must be healed thru therapy. He needs help. Don’t worry about his money or his record. They found him to be mentally ill connected to his records.

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Jan 2 at 2023 12:20 PM

COL Roxanne Arndt — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 12:20:23 -0500

Barracks Lawyers know all the tricks in order to prep people! PTSD takes many forms and is very hard to diagnose. Providers need to be educated on all the tricks however the VA hires contractors and often times have no experience in dealing with service members. There needs to be a more rigorous process when it comes to these evaluations for example reviewing service records, corroborating documentation from commanders etc. although there is nothing fool proof. If you suspect that someone is defrauding the government and you have proof, then contact the agency. The VA is overwhelmed and in my opinion as a retired healthcare professional it’s rare to find a provider there that really cares. (My own experiences).

Response by MAJ Miyoko Bell made Jan 2 at 2023 9:40 PM

MAJ Miyoko Bell — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 21:40:00 -0500

PTSD is on its own sliding scale regarding exacerbation of symptoms and functionality. Just as one may seem perfectly fine and normal; some thing can happen and one is back at ground zero. Trying to revoke a person’s benefits is not in your lane.
Do your job and allow others to fight their very individual daily fight with out your bias. Until you walk in their shoes; you have no idea. The struggle is real.

Response by CPL Nicholas Jones made Jan 26 at 2023 6:31 PM

CPL Nicholas Jones — Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:31:50 -0500

Is it really your business?

Response by SGT Michael Bell made Jan 27 at 2023 9:58 AM

SGT Michael Bell — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:58:45 -0500

1. "Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD" -Can happen, my dad, a Vietnam veteran and I a Cold War/Post 911 Veteran both diagnosed & awarded in 2013.
2. "Receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. " a) Usually 70% for that award (and why to fuck do they call it a "award"?) b) I've never heard of anyone being cured. Maintained, sure.
3. "having never fired his weapon in actual combat.", can still get PTSD
4. The rest of that, most assuredly a Blue Falcon ASSHOLE!
In Texas anyone can carry openly.
Finally can anything be done? As far as I know, no. Best bet, avoid that shitbird like the plague.
When I was in intensive therapy (for years) I've met a couple like that. My Dad never did the therapy, he just considered all that goes with PTSD as normal and got his claim.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made Jan 27 at 2023 8:11 PM

SFC Aubrey Campbell — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 20:11:59 -0500

Very important article. One of the tenets of service is integrity. One year, two years, twenty years combat or not, be honest about your very important service to America. Turn him in to the IG.

Response by CPL David Widding made Jan 27 at 2023 9:46 PM

CPL David Widding — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 21:46:16 -0500

You are correct THE VA DOES NOT CARE NOT MNOW NEVER DID. PTSD has nothing to do with firing a weapon but a event. PTSD can occure at the time of the event or years later no two solders react the same. I recall a reporter claiming PTSD after firing an AR-15 one time at a range. In short move on with your life it is not your problem chances are you do not have all the facts unless you are the person you are talking about

Response by SPC Robert Montoya made Jan 28 at 2023 3:32 AM

SPC Robert Montoya — Sat, 28 Jan 2023 03:32:37 -0500

I respectfully request that any and all of my brothers and sisters-in-arms refuse to reply to any post that is made by an anonymous poster. I joined this site with the understanding that I would be connecting with actual fellow Veterans. If RP allows un-verified people, I may as well join instagram or tik-tok!!!

Response by Lt Col Jeff J. made Jan 29 at 2023 11:25 AM

Lt Col Jeff J. — Sun, 29 Jan 2023 11:25:37 -0500

MAIN POINT: Not every PTSD claim comes from "combat" situations or deployments.

In my 21 years of service as a non-flying officer in the Air Force, I was always "supporting" from a headquarters or flying wing staff--even with 3 tours in AFSOC. I was also "joint" for 5 tours, so I actually never deployed with an Air Expeditionary Force (AEF). My VERY unusual career path never saw direct combat and only my 1 year short tour with AFSOC in Korea got me qualified for the VFW. On the other hand, I earned an Air Medal for 21 air-land/8 airdrop missions over and into Bosnia during Op PROVIDE PROMISE in the early 90's which was considered humanitarian relief--not combat--although we also received Hostile Fire Pay for getting shot at with AAA and MANPADS on occasion, even though this did not seem to cause any PTSD at the time.

So why did I approach the VA for PTSD claim during my retirement out-processing when I never directly served in combat?

Because I was in the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 when American Airlines Flight 77 was flown into our building by Muslim terrorists. I helped evacuate kids from the Pentagon Child Development Center (CDC) and had to "take cover" near the Pentagon Marina when United Airlines Flight 93 was approaching DC for a second attack. I was one of only 70 people ordered by SECDEF Rumsfeld to go back into the burning Pentagon on 12 SEP 01 where the intel community (IC) told us we had to be prepared for follow-on CBRNE attacks by al Qaeda terrorists and we had to go outside to breathe fresh air every 15 minutes because our mission spaces had the highest levels of carbon dioxide in the whole building. The "non-combat" stress of that environment still haunts me every day when I come across people who said it never happened because there are no video/photos of an airplane hitting the Pentagon, Snopes/Fact Checker media says there was no evacuation of the CDC kids, there were no heroes that day, the IC failed to warn of an attack, or my personal favorite, "So how do you feel about President Bush your Commander-in-Chief launching missiles at you on 9/11 to start a war just to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslim civilians?"

I've also gone through all the VA screenings, therapies, counseling, and PTSD treatment tools, but now the VA says there is nothing more they can do for me. My flashbacks during the early days of COVID when our Commander ordered us to immediately put on masks which fogged up my glasses and I could not see to do my contractor "support" mission, sent me into a panic mode in an enclosed space without windows just like 9/11. The VA had no sympathy for me that day and has discontinued all PTSD treatment while sending me to the "black hole" of NGO treatment programs that conduct intake interviews and never have "room for me" after that.

However, I was honored last year to have found two sisters who were rescued from the Pentagon CDC on 9/11/2001 that are both graduating or graduated from a military service academy 20 years after the terror attack.

I guess my bottom line is that ANY veteran who applies and goes through the rigorous VA screening process for PTSD, even if they were never in "combat" situations or deployments, should be given the same access to PTSD treatment with an equivalent VA disability rating depending on the level of their condition.

https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/never-forget-elkton-honors-remembers-9-11-with-service/article_62de4b0a-d0d9-55fa-bd97-a9e6b58b2b4d.html

'Never Forget': Elkton Honors, Remembers 9/11 With Service

ELKTON — Most everyone remembers where they were during the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, but others, like retired Lt. Col. Jeff Juhnke, say they will never forget what

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jan 31 at 2023 7:04 AM

MSgt J D McKee — Tue, 31 Jan 2023 07:04:28 -0500

To answer your question, I would proceed to not give a fuck about what someone else is doing unless it directly affects my life. Because there are many things that are not combat related that cause PTSD.

Want an example? Picking up aircrew parts after a crash. Using circumcised or not to ID which very small bag to put the "member" in....

Response by SSgt William Bull made Feb 2 at 2023 12:57 PM

SSgt William Bull — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 12:57:00 -0500

I don't believe PTSD is ever cured, just controlled. I fought mine for many years and my family suffered through my problems until the VA psychologist got me on the right track. The veteran you describe does have some problems as you described, and his mental illness may or may not have been caused by his service. Who are we to say. And who are we to interfere with the process. The facts as you have stated should be so evident that his medical professional team should handle the process. Firing a weapon or not has no bearing on a PTSD determination. I witnessed the aftermath of a tank running over a Marine who had been riding on top and fell off. The tank driver and two other Marines riding on the tank had to be medevac'd out from our position. They were so messed up they never returned to our unit.

Response by PO3 David Crew made Feb 4 at 2023 12:21 PM

PO3 David Crew — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 12:21:36 -0500

How do you know that is what's going on with him? Just because he tells the public it is one thing does not mean that's what is going on with his medical treatments. What if he was raped and just tells the public it was gun fire from embarrassment? Its really not our places to know and he doesn't have any obligations to tell us the truth of his medical situation. Unless we are his doctors and are qualified with knowledge of his case, it is not our place to judge.

The real question is, why does it matter so much to you?

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Feb 9 at 2023 2:26 PM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Thu, 09 Feb 2023 14:26:34 -0500

First of all, PTSD is not just a combat only related condition. I know this because my PTSD is not service connected. It comes from working 17 years as a surgical trauma team member and EMT. With that said, not only was I in the service, I was a dependent from birth until enlistment and a lot of things that happen in service can be PTSD related or caused. I saw a lot of it growing up and I saw a fair amount of it in service; even during the Cold War. Things do happen that can cause it that are relative to service that are not war zone related. At some point, many of us witness horrific accidents or take part in civilian community catastrphes and clean ups. That includes MST. Sadly, part of the stigma over PTSD has people not understanding what it really is or how it is caused.

PTSD can be caused by any traumatic event to an individual. And we all know everyone is wired differently with different coping mechanisms. What could be minor to you could be a major stressor for another person. And when something happens to you now may not be an issue. Later down the road, maybe even a number of years, something can trigger that experience. Trust me on that. I know all too well having been out of healthcare for almost 18 years now.

While I do attend PTSD clinic through VA, I do not claim it as a service related disability. And as far as I know, nobody in my group falsely claims it either. Does it happen? I am sure it probably does, just due to some people's nature. But, when it comes to PTSD, I don't question others who show obvious signs of it. Yes, I know it can be faked. And yes, if is faked, it should be criminal, in my opinion.

One of my personal experiences with PTSD is that I thought I could handle things myself. A lot of us try to do so mainly because of the stigma PTSD carries. We think that we are bigger than the problem stewing inside of us. I took the prescriptions for years, did the meditations and the groups until I thought I had it beat. Then I quit. That was my mistake. A couple of years later the triggers started to fire again and I almost let it beat me down too far. It happens with far more than we know. And thus, we have the "22 too many" or "22 A Day" of veteran suicides.

You sound responsible enough that I challenge you to learn more about PTSD. It may help you understand it a lot better and allow you to help your fellow service members or veterans much better.

Response by SPC Tamara Trammell made Feb 12 at 2023 4:39 PM

SPC Tamara Trammell — Sun, 12 Feb 2023 16:39:23 -0500

PTSD =X=cured.
There is no cure for PTSD and even the best treatments are only symptom management. It's the defining difference between PTSD and a large battery of other trauma induced psychological conditions that can be successfully treated. (CSD -combat stress disorder, is the temporary version of PTSD and clears up in a couple months or years, like mine did.) By that alone, this guy is a fucking fraud. Why would he follow psychologists' prescriptions or recommendations when he probably doesn't have PTSD?

However combat =/= PTSD. By my research less than 1% of PTSD sufferers have been in combat, and even for those who have it's not always the cause. There are no statistics for how many people enlist with preexisting PTSD and little speculation on how many soldiers suffer PTSD from non-combat causes. If a soldier served four years with no combat, no deployment, never firing their rifle outside the qualifying range, it doesn't rule out PTSD.

Response by FN Jefferson Clay made Mar 10 at 2023 8:28 AM

FN Jefferson Clay — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:28:36 -0500

He is taking comp from someone who really needs it.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made Mar 10 at 2023 3:55 PM

SPC Brian Jones — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:55:38 -0500

"Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?"
If the individual was not found "incompetent" then they will retain their second amendment rights.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2023 9:47 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:47:19 -0500

TMy comment is a slightly beside main topic. i recently was convince to file a VA claim because of the constant ringing in my ears. Was award 40%. Thought ok great!.
Then BOHICA, DFAS deducted the full amount from my retiree pay.
Talk about FUBAR. This takes the prize. After some research the most embarrasseing shameful apparrent fact is the FUBAR bill was passed when Republicans ruled.
WT?

Response by SFC William Linnell made Mar 12 at 2023 12:59 PM

SFC William Linnell — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 12:59:18 -0400

All I can say is, I thought the same thing about AF or Navy being on a large Base, never go outside the wire, have organized PT with a main road being shutdown to traffic. How the hell do they claim PTSD?? But sometimes they hear mortars n rockets flying over but not even close to the area they're staying. How can that be traumatic?? Then doing my Retirement physical, I watched a civilians take a few Soldiers, 5-6, and instructed them how to fake the funk and get a higher rating for PTSD. Ethical? Not buy a long shot. I didn't believe I had it coming back to the Post. Then one day, While in the 1SG and CO's office they said I could speak freely. My field of vision went to zero, all black and did my speak freely. Then something snapped me back to reality and I realized I over loaded my a$$. The CO was pushed back against the wall in his chair with terror in his eyes and he couldn't push the wall back further. 1SG just sat there. When I was done, I snapped to attention and asked forgiveness bc I don't have a clue to what happened but TOP said we're going to the hospital.

If you think of questioning a PTSD eval, think again. You don't know their mindset when they went over and what the came back with. A lesson I learned. even still today being retired for about 10 years, I still catch myself watching the sides of the road, get tense when someone is driving to close or stopped right up my butt at a light. I start running thru my nugget of escape routes.

Along with this, I know for a fact that the Army is severely understrength with Mental Health providers. It's even the same within the VA. I'm on my 5th shrink. They need to quit with pushing drugs as a quick fix cure all. WARNO!!! This of you on here reading this, Please take under personal experience. GET OFF AMBIEN OR ITS GENERIC. For one if on it too long, it starts with short term memory loss leading to dementia, not only the strange crap you do at night, you will not know you did it. My mom is beginning with dementia and what they call Sun down Syndrome. Creates bad hallucinations, even going out and walk off. Luckily we found her before hyperthermia was taking over. Over 4 hrs of heating her core temp to normal.

What a service members rating is for PTSD disability rating.....Worry about the 6 ft bubble surrounding you. Be a help not a hinderent.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Mar 13 at 2023 9:42 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:42:49 -0400

He is a definite fraud and should be prosecuted to the extent of the law. I don't know how he came to get 100% as you have to be drooling crazy to get 100% for PTSD. Must have had a lot of other problems medically? PTSD is easy to get. There are fraudsters out there who specialize in getting a soldier PTSD money as it is hard to disprove, except in this guys case.. I can tell you that if you have PTSD from combat, and I don't mean a causal aquaintance with the same, it never goes away. I am 78 and live with it every day, BUT! I have learned to live with it. If you ever watch an interview from WWII andKorean Vets who were in combat, you will see teary eyes at the remembrance. Shell shock is what this emend had or so it was said. Shell shock and PTSD are the same. For 11 years after I was discharged from the Army after Vietnam I was in a. fog. I remember very little. I can't remember my kids being born, first haircut, first days of school. It was all mostly a blank page on my life. Since then I was able to work had a small successful business, but I was never far from some of the tings I saw or witnessed.
It hurts when I see some f the people getting tax payer money for something that isn't real.

Response by CPT Ryan Kelly made Mar 13 at 2023 10:36 AM

CPT Ryan Kelly — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:50 -0400

PTSD is highly personal. Who are we to get inside someone's head. If the man served in a war zone, then he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Any dishonest or dishonorable intent is something he has to carry as a man.

Response by MAJ Jack Horn, LPC, NCC, CCMHC, CCTP, CCTP-II, CCFP, CDBT made Mar 13 at 2023 11:28 AM

MAJ Jack Horn, LPC, NCC, CCMHC, CCTP, CCTP-II, CCFP, CDBT — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 11:28:26 -0400

I’m always intrigued by discussions on PTSD. There are a lot of myths and misunderstandings. For the record, I’m a licensed professional with three board certifications in diagnosing and treating PTSD. Often, the term is used too broadly to describe traumatic experiences that don’t meet the diagnostic threshold. Only certain very specific types of trauma with specified post traumatic symptoms qualify for PTSD. Lesser traumas can meet the criteria for other trauma or stress disorders, such as an adjustment disorder. Not everyone who has been in a combat zone gets PTSD. They may be stressed or even traumatized by the experience, but that doesn’t equate to any form of PTSD necessarily. I carry 10-20 veterans on my caseload at any time as a provider in the VA community care network. My experience with VA behavioral health is that the quality of the service depends on where you are. My clients have been universally unimpressed with their treatment at the VA for a variety of reasons. Many of the VA providers in my area are not adequately qualified or trained to treat PTSD and a variety of other issues.

Do some veterans fake their PTSD? I’m sure that’s the case. A trained, competent therapist is a lot harder to fool. While it’s true that some veterans with PTSD downplay their situation with their families, are non-compliant with treatment, and lie, these can still be red flags to look into. The case related by OP sounds sufficiently suspicious to be examined further. On a further note, even those veterans whose trauma doesn’t meet criteria for PTSD need treatment. Often, many of the signs and symptoms are the same as PTSD and respond well to the same behavioral health interventions.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Mar 13 at 2023 12:30 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:30:59 -0400

In this specific situation, I would say he should be investigated. If your scenario is accurate, then at a minimum, benefits should be denied and reimbursement should be considered. Consideration of Fraud charges either with civilian court or under the UCMJ is also in order. It is hard to think that he was so good at faking this that he fooled all of the professionals and Doctors he had to talk to to get that 100% rating. I sincerely hope this is not wide spread and taking services from those who need and deserve it.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 13 at 2023 1:57 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:57:04 -0400

P.T.S.D. MUST Be Such A Broad Field.
I Was TOLD I Have P.T.S.D. By The Doctors & It's On My Medical Records...
.But I Do NOT Think So Myself...
I Think THEY'RE Full Of SH*T.

Response by PO2 Morio Tanigawa made Mar 14 at 2023 12:15 PM

PO2 Morio Tanigawa — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 12:15:11 -0400

Remove all personal weapons from his home and not allow him to possess or own any weapons. This includes hunting. Let him go fishing as he has been doing all his military career.

Response by SGT Rodney Horn made Mar 14 at 2023 2:12 PM

SGT Rodney Horn — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:12:23 -0400

Here is a quick explanation of Service Connections works.
"A VA service-connected disability is an injury or disease incurred in or aggravated beyond normal progression during active military service."

What's this mean? Well, here's an example: Say you had a knee injury before entering the military; if something happened that even worsened this condition, you qualify for SC if you can prove that during your service in the military, it had gotten worse. Simply put, the injury DOES NOT have to originate from your military service; you have to prove it got worse.

Response by PV2 Penny Marshall (Sheets) made Mar 15 at 2023 9:52 AM

PV2 Penny Marshall (Sheets) — Wed, 15 Mar 2023 09:52:55 -0400

You are the problem. You are why some ppl never get help and would rather commit suicide. Unless you have a degree or the money is being taken from your check, mind ya business.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 16 at 2023 1:11 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 01:11:29 -0400

The VA abuse [making false claims] is outrageous. They just opened the barrel. They can easily have 1000+ cases a year if the inspectors look. A lot of VA funds have been misdirected to other programs. The VA is a medical program and not a society/welfare program. Enough said.

Response by CPT George Blakey made Mar 17 at 2023 8:41 PM

CPT George Blakey — Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:41:31 -0400

At the VA I have encountered at least 75 percent are full of bull shit! Most are total fakes applying for disability in many different areas! Most are easily found,

Response by SPC Rebecca Cann made Mar 18 at 2023 2:56 AM

SPC Rebecca Cann — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:56:31 -0400

I have a real problem with VA Comp & Pen psychologists who diagnose mental illness, PTSD and Somatoform Disorder. Since 1994, I carry a diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (subset Gulf War Illness), which excludes ALL other diagnoses, including mental illness. In 2007, and within 5 minutes at VA Comp & Pen, I was diagnosed with somatoform disorder by an incompetent psychologist. My VA appeal included 27 pages of blood tests / diagnoses that make up the cluster of diseases and symptoms found in CFS / autoimmune diseases. Based on DSM5, only psychiatrists who have observed patients for 3 months can diagnose PTSD or Somatoform Disorder or any other mental illness. (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) Vol. 5) Claiming PTSD without valid reason is definitely fraud, criminally and civilly. Have you submitted a complaint to VA Office of Inspector General (OIG)? Once VA OIG receives a hotline call or a written form of complaint from its website, OIG must follow through. https://www.va.gov/oig/hotline/default.asp . . . "The OIG hotline receives, screens, and determines the disposition of complaints concerning veterans or VA that relate to potentially unlawful activity or potential violations of rules or regulations; fraud, waste, and abuse; and gross mismanagement of VA programs and operations." . . . Other Contact Resources
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Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Mar 18 at 2023 10:22 AM

SFC Terry Bryant — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:22:31 -0400

PTSD is a condition that is evaluated by the VA or other doctor outside the VA. Most people know what degree they have PTSD anyway. I know I have it as I still have symptoms of it and always will. You don't spend a year or more in ANY combat zone designated as such even if you never fire you weapon and not have PTSD to some extent. PTSD is nothing more than the human brain's response to a high level of stress. I remember for instance on my first deployment in BALAD we would get mortared almost every night or day sometimes. When I first arrived I would dive for the nearest bunker when the alarms went off shaking in my boots. Then I would watch many many other airmen and Soldiers looking at me and laughing while continuing on to their location. Eventually I got t where I did the same and mostly ignored the mortars. Did I have PTSD after that deployment. Did I claim PTSD on my VA claim. No I did not. Why? Because I just didn't feel my PTSD was serious enough to be getting a VA check for. So people who claim PTSD who were EVER in a combat zone deserve that whether they were a hardened combat Soldier or a clerk who never went outside the wire. Now while you are entitled to your opinion, it is the VA who ultimately decides who has PTSD and who does not. Not us Soldiers.
Now here is the kicker to my story. After serving 32 years in the Military mostly around aircraft, I have severe hearing loss. When I reported this to the VA they gave me hearing test. They confirmed my severe hearing loss but the civilian who commented on it did not believe it to be..."SERVICE RELATED" LOL. Go figure. I never appealed it as I don't really care too. Perhaps another symptom of PTSD or depression that makes me not care much about such things after the shit I have seen in my career.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 18 at 2023 1:57 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:57:53 -0400

The VA Tells ME I Have P.T.S.D.
And I DISAGREE With Them....
And Since The Very First Day I've Used Their Services,
~~ Seriously, the FIRST DAY & Ever Needed Them.~~
It's Been One Screw-Up Followed By The Next,
Misdiagnosed As Bi-Polar Only To Discover The Medication
They Gave Me Was Driving Me Nuts.. There Was Nothing Wrong With Me.
THANK The Gods For MEDICARE.....
I'm Now An ESCAPEE, And Living To Tell Others
"Check Them Out Before Trusting Them With Your Life,"
In All Seriousness, Other Issues Arose Where They Almost Killed Me,...
Emergency Surgery, Followed By Hospitalization And MONTHS Of Rehab Time,,,
With But Just SOME Recovery.. While Other Damages Are Permanent.

~~ I Only WISH It Were Just Misdiagnosed P.T.S.D.~~

My Brother Goes To The Dayton, Ohio VA And BRAGS About The GREAT Care He Gets..
They DO Take GREAT Care Of Him; He Even Gets Telephone Calls To Ask How He's Doing,
And Letting Him Know Of Other Benefits.....

Response by SGT Keith Newman made Mar 18 at 2023 7:33 PM

SGT Keith Newman — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 19:33:46 -0400

While I was at the Warrior Transition Unit in Ft Campbell. I came across someone that said they had PTSD, with less than 3.5yrs. This person never deployed. Asked why they had PTSD and was told my drill sergeant yelled at me. All I could do was turn around and walk away. Wasn’t worth getting busted down and assault on my record. I did a tour in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Response by SSgt Mitchell Parod made Mar 19 at 2023 1:33 PM

SSgt Mitchell Parod — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 13:33:57 -0400

The armed forces are full of fraud. Most people just want that money. No integrity in most of them.

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Mar 19 at 2023 10:40 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:40:07 -0400

I don't believe the myth that everyone that goes into combat must develop PTSD

Response by Sgt James Pepin made Mar 20 at 2023 11:45 AM

Sgt James Pepin — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:45:01 -0400

I believe there are fraudulent claims of PTSD, just there are fraudulent claims of heroism, and many other services related things. My service time was in the Air Force, so I never considered the possibility of suffering from PTSD. Of the 4 years I served 18 months were in North Africa, from there going directly to 13 months in Vietnam. I came home in 1967 to a time when being in military service you were lower than scum. Again, I never thought I might have PTSD even though I have gone through a lot of struggles since I got out. A year or so after getting out I wanted to end it all, after seeing my civilian doctor he sent me to the regional VA hospital. I was at the VA hospital overnight then sent home. Doctors at the VA said they saw nothing obviously wrong believing I was not a threat to myself or anyone else so there was nothing they could do. Now here in 2023 after reviewing my history over the past 50+ years my VA PCP and the service officer at my American Legion post feel there is reason enough to pursue the possibility I do in fact have PTSD. Real or fake, in my case the events in my life have been real, PSTD real I don't know but I will be seeing mental health professionals at the VA and see where that leads.

Response by TSgt James Warfield made Mar 20 at 2023 1:10 PM

TSgt James Warfield — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:10:56 -0400

Sadly, there are those who have no morals and will file false claims. Sadly those who file false claims are used against those who have legit claims have to go through more hoops ( red tape ) to get their claims approved, because of people who file false claims, yet as you described, the false claim eventually get's approved, while those who truly need are struggling to get help, and their claims approved. the fact it took 12 years for this person to get his claim approved, shows the weakness in our systems. What changed in they system to allow him to get his claim approved, sadly it's political, depending on who is in office at the time and if the relax or lower the bar to get benefits.
To be honest I would rather see one person slip through, then make it even harder for those who need it, deserve it are able to. Like I stated all to often, the system is set up against those who play by the rules as opposed to those who learn how to game the system.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Mar 23 at 2023 1:57 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Thu, 23 Mar 2023 13:57:36 -0400

Circumstances are not really capable of beinng deserned by lay people. This is a question that the psychological and medical departments of the Veterans Administration must answer. If legal action is demanded then there are test which can more clearly define whether the soldier is a true PTSD patient or wherher he is a fake. Disabilities can be removed and judicial actions taken if proven fake claim.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Apr 23 at 2023 3:14 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 23 Apr 2023 15:14:52 -0400

Everybody has something wrong. If you go to the doctor and get a check up, there is definitely going to be something wrong with you. Most of us are healthy in the sense of the things wrong with us a very small and don't matter too much and the doctors can't do much about them anyway. Another hand there are a lot of us to have specific diseases for example I have diabetes. Based on the VA rules that counts for 10% disability. And if my diabetes was much worse the number might go up but the point is the based on the rules and the level of problem I have I get 10%. I believe, at least it wouldn't surprise me is 90% of the people have some sort of PTSD. Because everybody has traumatic events in their life. No just like diabetes, or hearing problems and a lot of other things ptsd is on a scale. You can be very small and you probably don't even notice it and they doctors might not even counted because it doesn't rise to a certain level. On the other hand he can be completely disability and make you 100% disabled. In the VA rating system no to people are exactly the same. So you may have gone to basic training and then had a really bad accident or something and gotten out where is someone else may have gone through hell and high water for 20 years and then retired. Each of you will have your own story and each of you would get your own disability number from the VA.
My assumption is that number how much you think you know you don't know the whole story. If you brought this to the proper authorities at the VA then I would let it rest. How much Strother have one guy get away with it did a bunch of guys cancel because the rumors

Response by CPO John Hopkins made Apr 23 at 2023 5:36 PM

CPO John Hopkins — Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:36:08 -0400

I know a few Navy Vets who suffer because of the Carrier Flight Deck. Those are the most dangerous 4 acres on the planet, where your own aircraft try very hard to kill you. I’ve seen folks sucked into engine intakes, struck by propellers, blown over the side by jet exhaust, and sliced by arresting cables. We’d typically lose 2-3 people during peacetime deployments, ironically we didn’t lose any flight deck crewmen during our Gulf War deployment, although we did lose an A-6 crew to a SAM.
People have varying degrees of stress, not everyone reacts the same way. Or become stressed by the same stimulus.

The VA Raters aren’t always consistent, I was diagnosed with cancer after 10 years after completing my 21 years of active duty. The raters determined it was service related despite symptoms noted on active duty. But it worked out as I got increases for my knees, back, and other stuff that pushed me over 100%.
I don’t rue anyone else’s good fortune, I’d just let this slide and pay attention to what affects me

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2023 9:35 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Apr 2023 21:35:34 -0400

Without a doubt, there are those that falsely claim it. When I was in Iraq with part of my unit, I had friends who were in Afghanistan. While on convoy, a couple of the junior members of the team had spotted a burned out vehicle that had been there for a few days. Some of the comments by Bro-ham overheard were, "You see that? I'm gonna tell the VA we had a close call with a VBIED and claim PTSD for it! I'm gonna get PAID!!"

There are - WERE - some veterans groups I was a member of on a popular social media site, and many, MANY questions were about "What can I do to get to that 100% I/U?" "What do I need so I can claim PTSD to up my percentage?", "Can I claim X, Y & Z to get a better percentage for retirement?", or (to me, even worse), people saying things like, "Claim you have E.D. and it's negatively impacting your life, and then find someone to make it secondary to PTSD. . ."

There are those that probably do have legitimate cause for claims. Maybe while not directly involved in combat operations, they survived a near-miss from those explody-thingies that used to randomly drop from the sky. Maybe they were so weak minded, they created their own trauma, like, "People are dying in this country & their bodies are being flown back to this base before going CONUS. . . Death's all around, every day. . .(read this on an article about a USAF vet's suicide, where her friends & co-workers said they were never exposed to anything, didn't face any dangers aside from the God-voice's "INCOMING! INCOMING!", but that she pretty much gave up on life because they 'were surrounded by death')."

And, a case I have experience with, because I was in the same unit as this member, but was one of the ones that went to Iraq back in '04. . . People do make stuff up.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2007/03/new-york-times-plays-the-ptsd-fool-for-iraq-war-fraudster/

New York Times Plays the PTSD Fool for Iraq War Fraudster | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Response by SPC Juan Servera made Apr 25 at 2023 7:18 AM

SPC Juan Servera — Tue, 25 Apr 2023 07:18:29 -0400

Yes I think it wrong when I was union working construction during my apprenticeship I meet another guy who was vet starting talking to him he find out I was disabled for my leg 10% he tell told that he got rated 70% I asked how he got that what wrong how he get that told me he had ptsd but he lied. He said he bullshitted the psychologist. Was Upset he’ll yes I was I started having other problems with my disability tried her higher rating got turn Down, theirs other vets with severe disability and they can’t even get decent rating

Response by CPL M K made Apr 25 at 2023 1:15 PM

CPL M K — Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:15:16 -0400

I was listening to a clip of Jason Everman on Rogan, he brought up the tribal sense of belonging when you deploy.

That 120person section, which happens to be Dunbar's number, a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationship.
When you're deployed, its you protecting your brothers and sisters, and them protecting you. You have a role with responsibilities, you belong, then you get out and you're not as responsible for others, no one cares much for you and youre adrift and largely alone.

Response by GySgt Michael Payne made Apr 27 at 2023 9:19 AM

GySgt Michael Payne — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 09:19:15 -0400

I see this every day!!! I am a state employee that helps veterans. With that said I spend a extremely large amount of time at the Local VA Medical Center which also has a exhaustive amount of homeless housing. So, I work with the VA staff and directors on a daily bases. Here is what I see everyday. Young 4 year tour veterans looking for a 100% ever how they can get it. Example, Young lady spent four years in the Navy,said she was stationed at an air defense battery in Poland, does the Navy do this?. She was now out of the service drawing 90% for her time in Poland and was madder than a wet hen because the VA was dragging there feet on her 100% claim. The young man that just left the waiting room lost his right leg in combat (Afghanistan) just below the hip and was only drawing 90%. I have found that most of the one making the most noise are those just looking for a check. I have observed from talking to thousand of veterans that those in the thick of battle, does not really want to talk about it. It is humerus to me as I sit in the parking lot at the VA, watching these veterans climb out of their new Corvette and can barely move get their Rollator F22 out the trunk and creep into the Medical Center, couple hours later you see them walking normally, at a high rate of speed to that new corvette and off they go. Listen, I am a 23 Year Marine Vet with a 90% rating for abusing my body that long. New Shoulder, need two new knees, back and neck injuries, all service connected. Yes, it would be nice to have that 100% check, but it is not worth my integrity to falsify my condition for a check. Two more examples of why the VA needs over site: A 4 Year Air force vet never left the US, Florida, was military police, fell jumping a fence back in the year 80s, was out of work for 2 days with a bruised back. Got out and became a biker, drinking and partying to the point of two heart attacks, and other physical illnesses associated with his Drinking and drugging lifestyle. Fought for years against the VA as service connected. Was denied until he obtained a Lawyer, he now draws a 100% and runs a business on the side. I'm working with a Vietnam Veteran, lost two fingers and numerous other injuries from that war and he is only drawing 30%. Okay I lied, one more: young 30 something Veteran, 4 years one tour in the gulf, draws a 100% for PTSD and back injury. He know operates a tire store and is a power lifter at the local gym. Need i say more. The system is broken and has no guidance, it is the greasy wheel effect or who you know. You don't have to believe me, Next time your at the VA, stop being in-tuned to your phone or IPad and put your head on a swivel, look around, stay alert and listen, you will see it for your self. Everyone drawing a big check is tell everyone else how to do it, and how to lie about for the check

Response by AB Jimmie Roan made Apr 27 at 2023 12:21 PM

AB Jimmie Roan — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:21:19 -0400

my first thoughts would be if you have a problem with this person and is this a legit accusation or are you simply trying to use the government as a weapon to persecute this man. how can you know all these things for sure. i suffer from ptsd and have attended counseling for years long before it was recognized by the military. i participated in the first group pilot program at audie murphy in san antonio when it started. today i don't take drugs and i don't go to counseling, i was never in combat and never fired a weapon. combat is not a prerequisite for ptsd, my suggestion would be to get more information on ptsd itself before you ruin someones life.

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Apr 27 at 2023 4:35 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 16:35:35 -0400

Each case is different. I will attest first hand (not sure if required for everyone or if this was new) I had to complete a separate VA form for every "combat situation" dates, location, unit number, name of unit members that were injured or kills, supply orders and a copy of medal package if received.

Even though it sucked, I believed the VA was doing a proper background to make sure I was legit so I completed several forms.

With PTSD/TBI there are good and bad days, so needs to be up to the Psychologist to document a history on the recovery of the person.

Hopefully nobody fakes its, because it sucks.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Apr 29 at 2023 11:45 AM

PVT Mark Whitcomb — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 11:45:25 -0400

I like to call it PTS.....it is not a disorder. It's your bodies reaction to a stressful situation. Everyone is different and handles it a different way. Who am I to judge... I'll leave it to the professionals to determine.

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Apr 30 at 2023 6:24 PM

SPC Kynthia Rosgeal — Sun, 30 Apr 2023 18:24:59 -0400

I didn't realize load masters also have to be qualified as psychologists/psychiatrists or therapists. I just thought you needed to be reasonably strong and smart enough not to fall out of the plane. Silly me.

7 years service, diagnosed with PTSD but not due to combat. No review because basically, the VA says too far gone to recover. I don't think you fully understand how PTSD happens or how it affects different people in the same situations.

Response by Sgt Robert Anchors made Jun 9 at 2023 8:26 PM

Sgt Robert Anchors — Fri, 09 Jun 2023 20:26:54 -0400

As someone who has gone through this process (I was seeing base mental health a year before I got out. I was being seen continuously for 7 years before applying for benefits. By that time I been in a psych ward 3 times). The process of applying for and getting service connected for PTSD isn't that simple. Not only that but you face all kinds biases against you from VA employees.
Many years ago when the VA allowed smoking on their campus I went to a smoke shack and started up a conversation with a person there. I mentioned I had applied for PTSD benefits. He responded by saying that he automatically denies every PTSD claim that he comes across. I didn't know he was an employee till that moment. His reasoning - because if he approved any of the PTSD claims then that/those vet/s would make more now then he would when he retired. This was many years ago around 1998. Of coarse you also get those that believe that any injury you can't see somehow doesn't exist. I think it's also good that someone brought up the fact that combat isn't the only place where someone might experience something that causes PTSD sever enough to affect their daily life.

Response by PO2 Stephen Brownell made Jun 12 at 2023 6:16 PM

PO2 Stephen Brownell — Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:16:43 -0400

If they have PTSD they can't get a weapon permit or a hunting license

Response by SFC Jerry McLellen made Jun 19 at 2023 2:10 PM

SFC Jerry McLellen — Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:10:04 -0400

I retired from the Army, but none the less have seen the services push for making disability claims when service members exit the military. I myself have the mindset that I entered the service with everything, including my brain working, and upon retirement had only a few problems to deal with, so proudly claim I refused to apply for VA disability. I see people now that are able bodied and work normal jobs out of the military who spend a great deal of their time trying to up the disability number to 100%. They are not content with the 40%, 60% or whatever they claimed. 100% is the goal. I was working with a staff NCO (E7) in the supply/logistics area that never even came close to a hostile situation, put in retirement papers from Afghanistan and then started the PTSD claims and ended up with 100% disability. It is no wonder the VA has a huge backlog, the system is eaten up- with fraudulent claims and no way apparently to go back and check up on these fraudulent claims.

I am a firm believer that anyone who has claimed PTSD, AKA Battle Rattle, should be allowed to buy a gun, get a concealed carry permit/license, or even hunt. Nobody can help them if they are totally disabled with PTSD. Look at what happened to the "American Sniper" Chris Kyle trying to help out ex-military members who claimed PTSD.

Response by SPC C Moli made Jul 1 at 2023 2:40 PM

SPC C Moli — Sat, 01 Jul 2023 14:40:30 -0400

I was told by the VA that I don’t have PTSD, I didn’t appeal it because I was going through a divorce at the time. A private psychologist did diagnose me with it. I know I have it. That psychologist had since retired and I’m having a hard time finding someone with the credentials to evaluate me and write a nexus letter. It’s almost as if they are all afraid of doing it. Extremely frustrated.
A person is never cured of PTSD, they just learn how to cope with it. The VA counselor I went to was no help. Our sessions didn’t help. She meant well, but was a younger lady who couldn’t comprehend what combat is like. She never let me talk about it, never answered my questions. My main question is why does my combat experience affect my personal life? I still haven’t got an answer from a professional. Anything I have learned has been from googling it.
It’s a frustrating process

Response by SGT Christopher Doyle made Jul 11 at 2023 9:38 AM

SGT Christopher Doyle — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:38:10 -0400

It possible cases like this that make it harder for those of us who have possible PTSD to truly get help. I have requested screening twice and have been told I don't fit the criteria as I have learned through mental practice to not react harshly to loud unexpected noises. Took years to retrain my brain. But because I don't act guarded or wake up screaming I can't claim PTSD per the VA screening questions. Seems unfair that the above mentioned person seems to be playing the system.

Response by CPL Mary Ross made Jul 11 at 2023 8:42 PM

CPL Mary Ross — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 20:42:10 -0400

You don't know if he has PTSD, it is such a personal thing. What gives PTSD to one person isn't even a blink of concern to another. I was in the Army, then was an Army wife fearing for my husband's life, no trouble. But after working at the Humane Society and having to put many animals to sleep, the VA doctor told me I suffer from PTSD because of my job, and offered to put me in a counseling group of combat soldiers. I would not have felt comfortable listening to soldiers talking about killing people, and then having to talk about killing dogs and cats, but I did learn that PTSD is in more places than I would have thought.

Response by TSgt Daniel Newman made Jul 12 at 2023 12:00 PM

TSgt Daniel Newman — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:00:05 -0400

Pathetic and what a disgrace to all who fought. and served. And this govt with its useless care free way of printing and giving money away is a slap in the face to all of the hard working men and women who pay taxes. How this clown lives with himself and turning down dr. appointments without an explanation should be enough to have his disability revoked!

Response by SSG James Stodola made Jul 13 at 2023 11:48 AM

SSG James Stodola — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:48:00 -0400

There are so many issues here to sort through for a real answer. Did the person bring issues with them upon entering service, probably, we all have them of one type or another. Some most likely hope that some of these will be "fixed' by their service and maybe so in some cases. You don't need to fire a weapon in combat, or anywhere else for that matter to develop PTSD. Many things contribute to that process. The issue of getting orders for overseas tour sound to me more like a false plea to get out of the deployment by claiming a problem which may exist, to be more urgent than it really is. That one is a questionable claim for sure. It is a puzzle to me as to how he got benefits if it was for the PTSD as all of this information would be in their records and could easily be scrutinized by the VA, and seeing how they work he most likely would not be awarded benefits based upon those and any subsequent exams such as the C&P exam if given. PTSD does NOT get "cured". It can lesson with help and lifestyle changes but it is always there if you have it. As far as the last part, can this person concealed carry, probably as most permits are issued through county sheriff's offices and they typically don't check military records unless something is shown in the persons history that would warrant that. They usually only check state and local records. It has been 32 years for me since I was in a combat theater, I still have what they call hypervigilance, which is only symptom of PTSD, I have never experienced any other symptoms and have had no issues in coping with life after the fact. So as others have said here, it affect all in many ways, some small and some large.

Response by GySgt Ray Harris made Jul 13 at 2023 12:15 PM

GySgt Ray Harris — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:15:46 -0400

I run a website for recruiting Border Patrol Agents. (HonorFirst.com). I can't tell you how often I see veterans with PTSD or other "disabilities" claim the issue will not interfere with their duties as a BPA. If you have compensable disabilities with the VA, chances are you are not suitable for the rough and tumble duties of a BPA. Either you are lying to yourself, or you are faking it. Decide which you want, but don't go for both.

Response by SP6 Cathy Goosby made Jul 14 at 2023 11:42 AM

SP6 Cathy Goosby — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:42:21 -0400

Veteran does not deserve to claim PTSD because he has never been to Combat or been in a situation causing his PTSD. Soldier should be investigated and stronger tests for PTSD should be given. If found guilty, he should lose that part of his disability.

Response by CPL Galen Beesley made Jul 15 at 2023 2:11 AM

CPL Galen Beesley — Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:11:37 -0400

You don"t need to have fired your weapon in combat to have PTSD. I never fired mine in combat. The stress of seeing vehicles and equipment blown up. getting slammed with a concussion blast due to IED or mortar fire, having to force innocent people back with the threat of violence especially children just to protect them, can all lead to PTSD. I am medically retired from the military with 90% and my PTSD has been declared stable. Am I cured? Hell no. Am I living with the new normal? Yes and doing great even managing crowds on a small scale. Combat is not the only stressor that can cause PTSD. Date a woman who had to escape severe domestic violence by hiding in a women's shelter, and you will see what I mean.

Response by MGySgt Louis Saracina made Jul 16 at 2023 12:02 PM

MGySgt Louis Saracina — Sun, 16 Jul 2023 12:02:58 -0400

Unless delayed incompetent and assigned a fiduciary he rates a concealed carry. Check USC38 Chpt 11 and 12. PTSD does not mean you are dangerous. Do not guess.

Response by CPL Tamar Grayson made Jul 16 at 2023 1:56 PM

CPL Tamar Grayson — Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:56:32 -0400

No disrespect … Only A Doctor can determine that. Evidently they saw his case as extreme. Some people who live with any condition can claim they are cured, whether or not if they are or not; again is between them and their doctor, no one shouldn’t assume. Some people don’t have the mental capacity to fully understand PTSD, some don’t like talking to psychiatrists or psychologists .. Some don’t like reopening the womb even if it may lead to healing. It’s very painful for some. Some are called names ie “crazy” … and have to argue that they aren’t it’s a thousand reasons why people are the way they are and do the things they do because PTSD Leaves you with a void of space and time .. some can fill it with help medicine, therapy, etc. while others choose not too … It doesn’t mean they don’t have it. It’s so easy for people to judge others. No one can see inside someone’s head .. Unless you are a brain surgeon. Just saying. We gotta stop being critical of one another and hope they seek help in the near future.
As far as gun licensing conceal/ carry the last time I checked most mass shooters who have hunted for target practice had a clean record. We do need stricter gun laws and mental health evaluations should take part in it. So there’s that .. I hear you and it is a valid complaint if you know for certain then report it. That’s a fine line for a lawsuit though …

Response by 1LT Brandon Brackett made Jul 16 at 2023 11:05 PM

1LT Brandon Brackett — Sun, 16 Jul 2023 23:05:28 -0400

If you are making up a hypothetical scenario, you need a better hobby

Response by SP5 Ray Carletello made Jul 17 at 2023 4:59 PM

SP5 Ray Carletello — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 16:59:40 -0400

During my time in the army in Korea 1977 I was a recovery specialist while on a Hawk Missile run going back up North to Camp Red Cloud one of our 5 ton trucks with 6 new Hawk missiles broke down my job was to hook up a tow bar to one truck to have it towed back keeping my wreaker free to assist other vehicles if needed when we got back into town Red Cloud area the streets were narrow, the 5 ton truck in front of me that was being towed by another 5 ton truck cut a turn sharp And ran over a 12 year old Korean girl many years went by I could see this in my mind second time was a deuce 1/2 leaving the front gate of CRC Camp Red Cloud and a old fella hit the back of the truck and killed him he was on a motorcycle hauling ass my time in the service there were no diagnosis of PTSD, or ringing in the ears tinnitus. The young girl was very difficult to get out of my mind I’ll be 65 soon and it’s a distant memory now the truck driver that ran her over didn’t even know just me and the Korean MP s that stoped then it was relayed back on the radio to the CO and XO they pulled out of the convoy u turned back told me to catch up to the rear truck that’s was towing and get back to post found out by the our XO family was paid off for there loss . I never talked about it in my days in the service you would be considered a weak person the different ratings I’ve but in for says your are a peace time veteran denied that’s what I’ve experience so far. Being a peace time veteran stationed in Korea

Response by SPC David C. made Jul 17 at 2023 11:19 PM

SPC David C. — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 23:19:06 -0400

"Possibly serves ONLY one overseas tour" So he spent a quarter of his contract in combat and you're crying because why? What business is it of yours if he has, or doesn't have, PTSD? Did he run one over on you? If so, call the cops and let them deal with it. Listen up airforce loadmaster, you don't get to shit talk grunts and expect me to show you any degree of respect. If you have a problem with his claim then you take it to the VA, not post your cry baby bullshit to the world. Honestly I don't believe a single thing you're claiming. You wanna know what I would do if I were you? Mind your own fucking business.

Response by SrA Charles Martin made Jul 20 at 2023 2:36 PM

SrA Charles Martin — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 14:36:21 -0400

We should be worrying about veterans who don't get the help they need rather than speculating on whether veterans who did get benefits deserved them. No one dies from undeserved benefits. Lots of veterans regularly die because they VA failed to help them.

Response by PO3 Robert Nunes made Jul 23 at 2023 8:18 PM

PO3 Robert Nunes — Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:18:27 -0400

For every one former vet (depending on which combat situations faced during combat tours) there are a 1000 Real Combat Veterans who never get nor can they get PTSD Compensation from actually being under combat conditions, not doing any firing of Guns... only being under Rocket/Shell Fire, but escaping unscathed!

How about either Un Dog Tagged SoG members or their Extractors from unlogged locations in Vietnam Cambodia/DMZ during/after TET? Don't you think they deserve PTSD Compensation extracting SoG Troops or being NO GLORY SoG Troops who are forbidden to even talk about it? On top of Agent Orange Exposure w/probable Prostrate Cancer!

So I say... that's one time where there is a "WHAT IF" while many many more never get a dime, yet still suffer flashbacks, Auto Immune Disorders coming from a Continuous State of an Over Active Adrenaline Gland! Plain & Simple to see, though such a Veteran can't prove anything as no records can be found they have a legitimate reason to claim Full PTSD Disablement, that can't be proved on paper w/ records destroyed or preventive measures. Like me being on the Log prevented from logging Location in Cambodia for the Cambodia SoG Extraction! ....yet can't talk about it... seems absurd after over 50 yrs!!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2023 11:04 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:04:26 -0400

It's almost impossible to get anyone to do anything about fraud. I know someone that lied about their feet being F'ed up and needing special arches and everything since birth. It's an issue that if they would have included it in their final packet going to mepps, it would have excluded them from being able to enlist. So they omitted it (fraudulently enlisting) from their information and low and behold; guess who never made it through basic because of the issue with their feet that they fraudulently omitted from their records. All the information from it was at a specialty clinic so just forget about it, like it never happened. So this person gets medically discharged (and somehow has it on their DD-214 that they are a GULF WAR VET) from basic because of issues with their feet, and start collecting VA DISABILITY (10%) after using the Sioux falls VA (1999-2000, even though they lived in mn) because they were much "easier and more lenient" than the Minneapolis VA in getting a claim through. Time goes on and their percentage gradually increases, to 20%, then they get vocational rehabilitation to pay for 4-5 years of nursing school (with bad feet which prevent then from being on their feet long periods of time), and they they get their percentage increased again to 30% and then vocational rehabilitation pays for this person to go to school again so that they can become a school nurse, and then gets their percentage increased to 40%! meanwhile the 23 years that they have been fraudulently claiming benefits (due to their fraudulent enlistment) they were constantly bringing her ex-husband (T&P 100% since 2005) into court and trying to get him to pay more in child support, everything she got a raise for her fraudulent disability payments, she knew he got a raise, so back into court to modify the order order, and this went on from 2003-2023. And she was working as a nurse at the Mayo clinic from 2005-2018ish she also remarried in that time and combined their income was close to $200k, but every year there was a COLA, of course she had the money to hire a lawyer to go back In and milk more of her ex's disability compensation. This was so ridiculous that in 2008, a district judge (issued an illegal order) went against United States Code and ordered her 100% T&P EX to: 1. Open a bank account under his name in MN, 2. HAVE HIS VA DISABILITY PAYMENT DIRECTLY DEPOSITED TO THAT ACCOUNT (because they tried to have it garnished at least 15 times which the VA replied with the money is federally protected and that's illegal), and 3. Sign a waiver that gives BROWN County access to do whatever they want to do with those funds. The T&P veteran was given 2 weeks to comply with the illegal order, when he showed up two weeks later in court, the judge asked him if he got it done. When the veteran replied with a print out of the U.S.Code protecting VA disability money and gave it to the judge and told him that what he ordered was illegal, the judge threw him in jail for 90 days for contempt, even though the order was illegally issued. This veteran went through hell, including having his service and tour in a hazardous duty/combat zone used against him for 5 years as to the reason he couldn't have his children for overnights (when in reality it was used so the mother could milk more child support out of him) All this due to his ex-wife and her lawyer, but do you think he could ever get anyone to do anything about her lying on her initial application to get into the military and collecting millions in compensation and benefits since, nope. They don't really care about fraud or someone using and abusing the system . They'll prosecute people that have actually been to war for maybe embellishing a little bit on their achievements but you show them someone that's a complete fraud; a GULF WAR VET, that never made it out of basic training because of a condition they were born with and failed to put down on their application (punishable by fine/jail time and/or both), and not one agency, not one OIG (OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL), does anything to correct the situation and/or try to recover any of the money milked out of the VA by this woman and will apparently keep paying her age 43 now, for the rest of her life. It's a damn shame.

As far as this situation, I'd like to say that if it is fraudulent or or not; the VA will figure it out but probably not. One day he'll have to answer for it if it is fraudulent, you'd hope but I wouldn't let it bother you as you probably have enough of your own things to deal with and worry about.

********And yes, if you havent figured it out by now, the woman being referred to in this story is my ex. I have first hand knowledge of the foot issue as we were together in high school and both enlisted straight outta high school, (so this isnt hearsay or he said she said), i was there whenn the recruiter told her that if he inckuded it, it would prevent her from being accepted, so he was going to leave the decision between her and god! One of us didn't lie on our application and finished basic started at Camp Casey (2ID) and finished with Iraq being the final tour of an almost 5 year enlistment. It's a shame that they don't care about real fraud. Those punishments (jail and/or fine or both) for lying on applications to the federal government apparently only matter if you make it into he military and do a few years or they don't matter at all. **********************

Response by SPC John Estabrook made Aug 25 at 2023 6:41 AM

SPC John Estabrook — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:41:17 -0400

At the level described it does seem like an injustice, but we do not have all the background and facts of the case. PTSD can be caused by other serious trauma besides combat duty. For example, another soldier could have assaulted him and he may have been injured or been in fear for his life on base. He could have been off base at a bar and attacked by local civilians and faced serious injury or death. There are many things that could have happened to him. Whatever happened to him does not justify threatening to kill his comrades and I think there should be some disciplinary action taken on this.

Response by SPC Oscar TorresPlata made Aug 25 at 2023 8:40 AM

SPC Oscar TorresPlata — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 08:40:47 -0400

I'm going on 32 years as of today from being discharged from active duty. I'm 100% Unemployable for physical injuries I was denied PTSD do to my childhood trauma of physical, sexual and verbal abuse from my family! I had spoken about this in my sessions during my psychiatric therapy and medical treatment. So VA denied me because my PTSD was caused not by my military service but because of my childhood trauma! I was a 13B Crew member (ABN) at Fort Bragg N.C Served in Desert Storm Desert Shield. I witnessed when many died because of an accident in Fort Sill Oklahoma where A Gunner misfired his cannon do to the wrong powder count put in the chamber, 1989 . I then went to Fort Benning Georgia for Airborne training, qualified but never knew I had vertigo until I was put at the front of a 100 foot apparatus, not mentioning aC130 waiting for the green light to come up! I had 5 jumps to qualify although in one of those my chute got tangled so I had to bicycle while falling in a rapid spin eventually I hit the ground thinking I had broken every bone in my body, thank God I was 18. Got up shook my legs and kept running towards my rally point

Response by SPC Oscar TorresPlata made Aug 25 at 2023 8:53 AM

SPC Oscar TorresPlata — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 08:53:32 -0400

Response by SGT Kenneth Rand made Aug 25 at 2023 7:38 PM

SGT Kenneth Rand — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:38:42 -0400

My PTSD didn't come from overseas it came from my best friend committing suicide on the steps of the mental health building at wainwright

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Aug 26 at 2023 2:24 PM

PFC Stephen Eric Serati — Sat, 26 Aug 2023 14:24:50 -0400

Questionable,he lied several times.

Response by MSG Brenda Neal made Aug 26 at 2023 10:52 PM

MSG Brenda Neal — Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:52:56 -0400

The basic symptoms of PTSD are on the internet. They go much deeper than that. I had no idea why I was on high alert all the time when I wasn't in combat, only exposed to conditions in basic and in training exercises. I had multiple diagnosis in my VA chart and put on antipsyhcotics for 15 years. At 60, I went to a neurologist that proved to me I had nothing but PTSD. It's not a disorder, it's a syndrome. I saw a neuropsychiatrist, took 5 hours of testing and proved it was only Traumatic Syndrome. Period. People can become mentally ill if untreated early on or just told your mentally ill, then drugged. Everyone with a claim of PTSD can be tested like I was.

Response by SPC Tammy Yarbrough made Aug 28 at 2023 9:05 AM

SPC Tammy Yarbrough — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 09:05:02 -0400

First off, the Veteran served 4 years in the military and obviously, during his entrance examinations, there was no mental health diagnosis noted....meaning he is found fit for duty. If the military did not note or find a pre-existing condition upon enlistment, then it is assumed he is sound. Therefore, pre-existing is out the window. Secondly, just because he went 4 years in the military without a diagnosis doesn't mean something didn't happen. He did serve in an overseas tour in which the VA concedes exposures for PTSD. The fact of whether or not he fired his weapon is not relevant. Thirdly, you can carry a weapon and purchase guns with a diagnosis of PTSD as long as you are not 100% s/c for the diagnosis of PTSD ONLY. Lastly, there is more to obtaining a s/c for PTSD than the service member "lying" during his examination. There are steps that the VBA goes thru to verify stressors that occurred during service. The fact that this Veteran is going around telling his family and others what ever he wants to tell them is his business. Just because you don't like what the Veteran says or does is not the determining factor as to whether this Veteran has a problem or not. I understand your thoughts/concerns. But the fact that this Veteran is all over the place with his thoughts or actions is generally a clear indicator that something is going on. I really wish people would be as concerned with helping each other as they are about what their s/c percentage is.

Response by SA Clifford Junior made Aug 28 at 2023 4:52 PM

SA Clifford Junior — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:52:16 -0400

Well ,if he never saw combat or fired a weapon may not in itself prove full disability. If he lied to his family, or maybe his doctors, this is a different story.Has it been proven to the Va that he lied to family members or doctors ? In my opinion, even though he never fired his weapon, I believe the fact he was in the war zone as opposed to the the demilitarized zone ,may be enough to receive a hundred percent .I know of a person, who received a retroactive payment for 275,000 dollars, about eight years ago.The dude has a beautiful wife, in another state, but may be considered a dog ,when he visits relatives here, in Buffalo ,Ny.Now, I receive full disability for schizophrenia. Most of my friends are disabled vets. I'm not a doctor but, my friend who received over two hundred grand eight years ago isn't crazy.But ,what's the true definition of crazy.Famous TV shrink Doctor Phil ,considers the word crazy ,to be derogative..Just because a person takes psychotropic drugs ,and has behavioral issues, does this prove them to be crazy? Does anyone on Earth, have the right to say ,whether or not, a veteran deserves all that cash?I mean ,the fact that he or she receives government payments in the first place , is that within itself, a legal explanation as to the question Why ?

Response by SP5 Ray-Quan Johnson made Aug 29 at 2023 11:28 AM

SP5 Ray-Quan Johnson — Tue, 29 Aug 2023 11:28:26 -0400

I’m sorry, not to be rude but that’s honestly none of your business. Doctor’s recommend medication but you don’t have to take it. Also, you can’t claim PTSD. You get tested for it and usually you take the test twice and there are formulas built into to notice if you’re faking. He doesn’t have to explain to you how he feels or what he’s going through because you’re not behavioral health or a doctor. Leave that man alone. If you feel like you have PTSD you can go to behavioral health and get diagnosed like he did, but you’re stepping out of your bounds.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Aug 30 at 2023 6:28 PM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:28:35 -0400

This scenario appears to have arisen due to a massive, albeit common, misunderstanding regarding psychology. For example, you question a Member going hunting while claiming PTSD due to gunfire. In this example there's two sides to gunfire: The gunfire you control and the gunfire someone else controls. In the first, the person feels safe because they know the round is moving in a direction they intend. In the second, they don't know where that round is going. Two completely different scenarios.

Another thing you bring up is the Member's failure to follow psychologists' prescriptions saying "they are not really needed." Even if the Member states they do not believe in the need, the psychologists would not make said prescriptions if they did not find evidence that they were, in fact, needed.

Next, let's assume that the Member did have pre-existing conditions. They're psychological in nature. In the civilian world, I have noticed, it is very easy to exist without ever being diagnosed and, therefore, never know they existed. Is it fraud if the Member was never even aware of the conditions to begin with? It's been a few decades since I was last at MEPS, but i recall the phrase "To the best of your knowledge" being a major factor in the questions. So for that particular accusation, you would need very thorough, hard evidence that he knew before hand.

You said the Member tried for 12 years before he received benefits. I guarantee you those 12 years, the Member may have been searching for even one thing they VA couldn't deny, but the VA was also verifying and analyzing every little word, action, and account to make sure there was authenticity to the claim. The VA has the resources find any divergence in the story to deny a claim. The fact that they approved it means they found at least one item in the Member's list of "Here's why I need help" that merits their finding.

And finally, EVERY individual reacts differently to trauma. Some trivialize it. Some lie about it. Some even lie about it in order to try to trivialize it. Some actually do acknowledge the trauma and work to repair the damage. Whatever reaction the Member may have to the trauma, they still deserve the help they need to properly process and move past it. Unless the VA is asking for your judgement on their findings and decision, your opinion on it doesn't have any bearing on the case. The Member may never take the advice his Doctor(s) give them, or they may actually become engaged in their recovery and actually recover. That, however, is between the Member and their psychology team and not within your purview.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2023 11:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Aug 2023 23:58:43 -0400

When it comes to claims for PTSD the VA absolutely verify the event that cause PTSD especially for combat. There must be an event in service, location, awards, etc, witness statements, a through and extensive session with a psychologist. It’s very hard to “fake” PTSD with the VA. As other have stated they have access to your military personnel records and treatment record. Also the VA does not ONLY acknowledge PTSD Incurred from combat. & the VA absolutely investigates, reduce, severed ratings and claims ALL the time. People have been charged with fraud. But all in all you don’t know what his VA records entail. You don’t know what he’s service connected and rated for. This post is ignorant and the answers to your questions and concerns are easily searchable. Leave disabled veteran alone, just because they don’t look like the stereotype you’ve created in your head does not mean they’re not credible or disabled.

- combat veteran / va rater

Response by PFC John Derek Ginsberg made Sep 2 at 2023 8:18 PM

PFC John Derek Ginsberg — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 20:18:15 -0400

Hard to tell. VA Office of Inspector General is the primary to investigate this. However somebody would have to inform them of the individuals behavior. I personally would not bother to report anything like this because I would prefer not to stick my nose in because I am not personally affected

Response by MSG Gary Johnson made Oct 30 at 2023 10:43 AM

MSG Gary Johnson — Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:43:17 -0400

If the soldier was in a combat zone, he may or may not have PTSD. It doesn't matter if he fired his weapon or not. The key to these issues hing upon a diagnosis for PTSD. If he didn't have a diagnosis upon his NG enlistment, then it was not a fraudulent enlistment. Most soldiers do not understand they may have PTSD. Their family members may notice that their soldier has "changed" but may not understand what or why.

A member with PTSD, or any other mental issue can have a CCW permit until, they "threaten to harm themselves or others". At that point, court action is needed to temporally remove the veterans rights to possess a firearm. 2nd Amendment rights can be restored later, after a mental health practitioner certifies the vet is no longer a threat.

The VA will not get & shouldn't get involved in legal issues unless the vet demonstrates a threat in their presence and they can demonstrate first hand knowledge.

As far as lying to the VA, the examiner and the claims adjudicator know if the vet has lied about the nature of the military service. They have the SMRs to verify service.

Don't assume the VA doesn't care. Read 38 CFR and understand the scope & limits of what the VA can & can not do.

I would approach the situation by doing what I can to get help for the veterans problems. If in the process, the VA grants a disability, it will be based on the evidence on hand and not speculation.

The mission is helping the vet, not getting a disability award.

Response by PO2 Mark Fraktman made Nov 5 at 2023 4:12 PM

PO2 Mark Fraktman — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 16:12:29 -0500

Sounds like a possibie fraud to me. simmilar to stolen valor.

Response by PO2 Luis Rodriguez made Nov 19 at 2023 6:29 PM

PO2 Luis Rodriguez — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:29:37 -0500

Everybody somehow became a trained professional that can tell who’s lying about PTSD or not after getting out… you can claim PTSD all day long. It takes 2-3 doctors to diagnose PTSD. Mind your own business and enjoy your checks

Response by CPT Stephen Feldman made Nov 23 at 2023 12:41 AM

CPT Stephen Feldman — Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:41:34 -0500

This happens all the time and in my opinion happens more and more often. My son-in-law's father was a Marine who served in Vietnam. When he retired at 65, he had owned a consruction business. He answered an add by some attorney claiming he could get him 100% disability from the VA. He was coached on what to say and how to act. He got 60% for his PTSD and since he couldn't work it was raised to 100%. He makes as much for his 100% as I do and I am compensated for 17 diffferent conditions none of them PTSD. The last 7 I get no benefit from because I am at 100% before they are figured in.
Do I believe there are people falsely claiming PTSD? As long as attorneys are able to counsel service members on how to scam the system and collect up to 33.33% of how much the veteran receives (in my son-in-law's father's case they got over $34,000). It took 3 years to get the 100% rating. So today, an attorney can make today over $47,000 if the claim takes 3 years to resolve. Not bad for a couple hours work counseling someone and filing paper work that various organzations file for free.
I don't believe every veteran who serves in a combat zone suffers some level of PTSD. I believe that most of those who claim PTSD are scaming the system. Yes there is PTSD but not close to the rate it is being compensated for.

Response by CPL ElizaBeth Bell made Nov 23 at 2023 9:10 PM

CPL ElizaBeth Bell — Thu, 23 Nov 2023 21:10:19 -0500

If he doesn't follow the medication and therapy schedule through the VA he will lose his disability rating. It's people like this that make it hard for the rest of us to get what we need and deserve.

Response by PO3 Ted G made Nov 25 at 2023 9:08 AM

PO3 Ted G — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 09:08:21 -0500

First off, if you believe that someone could easily get through a VA PTSD exam using lies and BS and land a 100% rating it is obvious that you have never been through a VA exam for anything. If someone is missing an entire limb the VA will ask at least 15 questions about it and want records of the incident, including names, dates, and location.

As for stopping care after after being rated, the VA will eventually call that person in for a reevaluation and it will be as or more rigorous than the initial rating exam.

I lost an internal organ and the VA periodic checks to see if it is still missing, they do not play games, if you BS them you will be caught. They also do not care, if you actually have the condition that you are rated for they will lower your rating anyway and make you fight to get it back.

Response by PV2 Regina Renee Smith made Nov 25 at 2023 11:19 AM

PV2 Regina Renee Smith — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 11:19:16 -0500

It is because of these that it is so hard for those of us that were raped in service to get our PTSD rating. I have been fighting with them forever and have gone to so many of their hearings and still at 90% waiting to get my last results. I still have flashbacks and wake up in the middle of the night reliving these awful times. When I first married my husband, he came to bed and did not wake me up before he came and touched me. I blacked his eye. I got out way back in 1975. My lawyers have been very good fighting for it but I am not sure why it is taking so long. I have been following my doctor's orders and his regimens with their medications and medical appointments. All of my doctors feel that I should have received the 100% years ago. Anyone with any ideas as to what to do next? I am open to suggestions.

Response by SP5 Mikkel Wagner made Jan 6 at 2024 11:11 AM

SP5 Mikkel Wagner — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 11:11:52 -0500

I’d simply say; “Stay in your lane”. You’re way out of line to question the professionals and to do so on a public forum, because clearly you are questioning the professionals. Unless you have earned the licensure to legally assess a persons mental fitness by completing hundreds of hours of education, lab work, and other licensure requirements you’ve no right to speculate openly. In fact you could be civilly held responsible for creating a situation wherein you’re discrediting this individual. I know of many people who are collecting all sorts of disability from social security to workman’s comp to VA benefits and on the outside it looks questionable……. But you do not know what they know. A person cannot simply SAY they have this or that and get taken at face value, there is so much research and oversight, investigations and practical and theoretical knowledge at play in these decisions it’s hard to pull off a scam. Not that it doesn’t happen but it’s hard. Further anyone will support this statement, getting anything from the VA is hard, so if the guys been rated it’s probably for reasons you don’t know and you’re speculating it’s PTSD. Maybe he was sexually assaulted and only professionals know this….. maybe he tripped and hurt his little finger but to him that was to much…… you just don’t know what you don’t know and speculating makes you sound super shady.

Response by LTC Alea Morningstar made Jan 6 at 2024 4:31 PM

LTC Alea Morningstar — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 16:31:46 -0500

oops

Response by LTC Alea Morningstar made Jan 6 at 2024 4:37 PM

LTC Alea Morningstar — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 16:37:44 -0500

My answer disappeared because I typed it before signing in? weird.
THERE IS RAMPANT FRAUD. I was at Walter Reed a year after wounded in Iraq. 2 more at TAMC at home before med retirement. I was wounded and lost my medical career but I CAN tell you that 1:5 approx were REAL--the others were faking it to get MONEY disability. It was so outrageous I tried to intervene and became a patient advocate when ambulatory because I'm a doc. But the TRUE PTSD were severely wounded or saw many deaths. The AVERAGE guy who rarely went outside the wire were FAKING IT. There were several sexual assaults there who were genuine and one I know was not as she told me the truth. HUMAN NATURE, as in FREE MONEY, unfortunately has reigned in the Iraq/Afghan vets I see. Lawyers who take 50% are rampant but somehow they get the ratings done. I find it a sad reflection of our times. and those who TRULY have PTSD have a difficult time because there are so many whiners/fakers. Group therapy was 'my trauma is bigger than yours'...and the stories were stolen from other soldiers/marines (one I knew personally...) SAD state of affairs but it is somehow the world we live in today. Gotta deal with it and if you are a real PTSD then don't let them get YOU down.

Response by SPC Peter Suedfeld made Jan 6 at 2024 6:19 PM

SPC Peter Suedfeld — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 18:19:27 -0500

The claim that every combat veteran suffers from PTSD is contrary to the data. The research is also clear that for most patients PTSD is not necessarily life-long, that it can be successfully treated, and that many people who has been professionally diagnosed as having PTSD can nevertheless live a mostly normal life.
It is unethical for mental health professionals to comment on the condition of someone whom they have not personally examined, or to comment on individuals outside their own specialty. I am not a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist, although I am a psychologist who has studied the issue of PTSD and resilience. I cannot legitimately answer any of the questions at the end of the "basic info."

Response by CPL John Bross made Jan 8 at 2024 11:26 PM

CPL John Bross — Mon, 08 Jan 2024 23:26:12 -0500

Seems to me if he was relieved of service duties he should not receive any benefits / if he has claimed ptsd he should most certainly not be allowed to own a fire arm as I know veterans who truely have ptsd and they cannot .

Response by SGT Robert Hise-Denk made Jan 9 at 2024 11:58 PM

SGT Robert Hise-Denk — Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:58:23 -0500

Worry less about preventing people from getting things they’re not entitled to. Worry more about making sure folks get what they deserve.

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Jan 10 at 2024 2:37 PM

1SG Rick Seekman — Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:37:35 -0500

Lot of what ifs here.

Response by SPC David Garcia made Jan 11 at 2024 4:11 AM

SPC David Garcia — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 04:11:03 -0500

I’d start this comment by saying I’m 100% service connected through PTSD. Although I’ve only had one deployment as an Infantryman, OIF II. I’d have to agree with the side of the fence of those who don’t judge another’s service or mental faculties, regardless of service. We as a society seem to be more robustly accepting of one’s entitlement to their own mental health. Besides, criminalizing the whole process of validating service connected disability is the most dangerous slippery slope I can think of. Unless one has the capacity to literally walk in another man’s jungle boots, leave the arm chair diagnosis to thyself. In terms of how an individual could’ve developed PTSD given their service, I always liken deployment to a constant “threat of death.” In my humble opinion, and from personal experience, that threat of death was just as profound for me whether inside or outside the wire. Saying this now, even if I never experienced combat, to which I’ve had many, I’d still be off my rocker as a result. Wars a very nasty business that humans maybe prone to, but certainly are built to

Response by LCpl Pat Fierro made Jan 11 at 2024 9:32 AM

LCpl Pat Fierro — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 09:32:06 -0500

The benefit of the doubt goes to the veteran. As long as they are "at least as likely as not" (meaning there is a 50/50 chance) to have incurred PTSD while on duty, that is it. This is the VA policy, we live by it and we must accept it. That's just the way it is.

Response by SN Mike Duffy made Jan 11 at 2024 10:11 AM

SN Mike Duffy — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:11:26 -0500

I got PTSD from my stepdad and a few ex wives. I ain't even gonna try to blame the navy.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jan 11 at 2024 5:21 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:21:37 -0500

I want to tell all of you Monday morning quarterbacks, and armed armchair doctors, to get off your high horse and stop claiming that you know something that the experts do not.
I have PTSD. It is much worse than some other people I know who have PTSD. It is not nearly as bad as some people I know who have PTSD.
What happened to me that caused me to have PTSD, is none of your damn business. If I am that good a con artist that I fool all the doctors, and all the experts, and jump through all the hoops at the VA, what makes you think that you are so smart that you can decide whether I am a faker?
I had a very dear friend, he served in the Marine Corps for four years. He never left the continental United States. He had PTSD bad. My understanding after the fact is this. He was stationed in Southern California as a clerk processing Marines to go to Vietnam. He did the paperwork that sent thousands of Marines over there, and many of those Marines did not come home. And he felt it was his fault. Whether or not you think it was his fault is not the point. It weighed on him so much that 40 years later he committed suicide because he could not stand the guilt. He died by suicide, because of his military service. The military, the Veterans Administration, and all the doctors that were involved tried to do a good job, as best I understand the situation. But he died anyway.
You do not know what is in another person’s mind. And I think it is damn arrogant of you to sit back in your house drinking your beer and tell somebody else that they are not sick.
PTSD is a range, a very large category of problems. From being raped, to seeing your buddy die. The men assigned to the casually center in New Jersey that receive all the bodies back have lots of problems because of what they have seen. And for your arrogant SOB to say suck it up, or that they are faking is an insult to every veteran in the world.
I was not a Green Beret. I was not a Navy seal. I was not a Ranger. I was in a fighter pilot. I did not get the Congressional medal of honor. I am a veteran. And if you think you know me. You are an idiot.

Response by SP5 Sandra Dockeney made Jan 11 at 2024 11:43 PM

SP5 Sandra Dockeney — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 23:43:07 -0500

That person lied and VA should do blood work to see if any of the meds are even in their system.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2024 3:13 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:13:20 -0500

PTSD can come from anywhere.
My spouse served in a combat zone and freaks out when guns go off unpredictably or at random. But if he himself is hunting or at the range expecting loud noise he is fine.

It sounds like this guy has another mental issue going on, or is a liar yeah but what does it really matter

Response by SPC John Estabrook made Jan 12 at 2024 6:50 AM

SPC John Estabrook — Fri, 12 Jan 2024 06:50:47 -0500

The VA has claims adjudicators to make these decisions because they can verify the real facts of the case.

Response by SSgt Michael Grafmuller made Jan 15 at 2024 10:23 PM

SSgt Michael Grafmuller — Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:23:34 -0500

Well even a death in the family at incident off duty is qualified to give service connection for PTSD. If this person is not compliant with treatment or meds that is normal but the claim that he is cured allows VA to re-evaluate his current condition because until he has suffered for 20 years after the effective date, VA can reduce his award to any level including zero percent.

PTSD is not limited to combat and has such a low bar for qualifying event, those who suffer from combat or rape or even a bad car accident can’t relate to the many other ways PTSD can be service connected to include a preexisting condition aggravated during service, not necessarily by service. If he is cured and telling everyone that report it to the VA IG and let them look into it. The notes in the file may result in an evaluation of the current severity of his mental health, if he fought for 12 years then they have appropriately 8 years to reduce it or discover fraud. There is a system in place, but VA waste’s most of their resources having to go through appeals on so many conditions where the denial or low rating is due only to negligence of the VA employee who fails to actually do their job then VA defends wrong decisions until told by a judge they are wrong then drags out the process 2-3 times longer than before complying with the judge. Because of this they are slow to look into cases like you describe because they need more than your word since the benefit of every doubt must be resolved in favor of that veteran. If the compensation & pension people did their job correctly in the first place they would have thousands of man hours available to handle fraud or reducing ratings when the law supports it. Until then, this is lower on their priority list, especially since it is likely you do not know every detail of this veterans case or how they are coping, skills learned in therapy are preferred over medication and medication is not effective for all plus for many becomes less effective over time, where learned coping skills and increased dosage are only so helpful. Va denies so many benefits and does not understand that there are so many safeguards written into title 38 to allow those even with dishonorable service compensation and other benefits, even if the dishonorable conduct had nothing to do with their service connected conditions.

Many discharges are the result of the service failing to treat the service member for conditions, many mental health either caused or aggravated by their service. This one individual possibly improving and not having his rating reduced is so minor considering all the others left hung out to dry where even the free representation of veterans service organizations like VFW & DAV is denied these individuals because of plain ignorance of the VA and service organization employees who refuse to read title 38 and deny assistance usually falsely informing the service member that they have no rights to compensation.

Let’s all put pride and ego aside and help those who are entitled to benefits get them so VA can focus on those faking later

Response by SSG Dale London made Feb 28 at 2024 9:03 PM

SSG Dale London — Wed, 28 Feb 2024 21:03:27 -0500

If the soldier truly has PTSD, it doesn't matter if it was a pre-existing condition so long as he can show it was made worse by his service. As for eligibility for CCA - that's beyond my paygrade. But I'll tell you that I have never met a combat veteran that did not have PTSD to one degree or another, and I would trust the ones I know with a weapon without hesitation.
If he doesn't have PTSD and is simply trying to get benefits he is not entitled to, he can be done for fraud and, if convicted he will be held liable to repay every penny he received in VA benefit (after he gets out from prison).
He should also be horse-whipped and shunned as a person of no moral worth. Full stop.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Mar 22 at 2024 5:28 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Fri, 22 Mar 2024 17:28:04 -0400

My BIL is perfect example. He is near idiot but got in the Army via political intervention. He never served outside of the US. He was assigned to gymnasium. Yet today he has 100% disability... PTSD.

Response by SFC Chris Weaver made Apr 4 at 2024 7:01 PM

SFC Chris Weaver — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 19:01:40 -0400

Do some falsely claim it yes it happens. Can you prove it 99.99999% of the time? Nope!
That is their own conscious they have to bear!

Response by Sgt Ron Bowen made Apr 7 at 2024 11:59 AM

Sgt Ron Bowen — Sun, 07 Apr 2024 11:59:06 -0400

Have had lots of experience with this during my 30 year career as a VA social worker.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Apr 8 at 2024 12:38 AM

SGT Daniel Myers — Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:38:44 -0400

Frankly, I do have the credentials and the people at the VA scare me. They can be unprofessional at times, don't like anyone whose on equal footing with them disagreeing with their assessment or the next thing you know, you're combative, argumentative, and disruptive. I've been a counselor going on 18 years and I want people to feel at ease when they talk to me. These are soldiers, not angels, sometimes they may swear during a session. If you do at the VA, you get reported to the Disruptive Behavior Committee and all those hearings are behind your back without your knowledge and your file flagged. This can get very serious as the VA counselors have too much power, some even thinking they're gods. Every state's congressional office gets flooded with complaints from veterans about the mental health care, or lack thereof, they receive from the VA.

Response by SFC Joe Vega made Apr 24 at 2024 1:27 AM

SFC Joe Vega — Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:27:02 -0400

You obviously don’t know a Damn thing about PTSD if you think people are defrauding the government! If they are then let the government deal with them. I don’t think it’s your job. You must be a Trumpster!