Posted on Aug 22, 2018
PO1 W Yost
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I can go into many of the details but I will keep this short for now. My son is in the Florida National Guard and went through boot camp between 11th and 12th grade. He did not finish the last week due to school starting up and he was not physically able to pass the PT. However, he did do 9 weeks of the training to which he received pay. However, at the end he never received any sort of discharge paperwork (DD214) or anything. He had 7 days of leave on the books that carried over through the year on his drill period LES's. Then when he started boot camp the second time the leave just went away without selling it at the base pay rate. I am a retired pay clerk from the Navy and I audited every LES to find that he has never been paid for this leave. His unit told him that I was wrong and that I could be in trouble as it is a conflict of interest. Someone please help me find a phone number that he can reach out to and put his case forward. The leave is now over 2 years old. I don't care about the conflict of interest, I will address that another day because that is not true also. I was given the LES's by my son and he asked me to audit. Anyone, please tell me how to contact someone above his unit in Florida to address this situation. I have all the documents to send. Lastly, shouldn't he have gotten a DD214 the first boot camp time from Fort Sill? Thank you in advance....???????????
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SFC Douglas Duckett
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1SG John Furr WOW!!!, your statement seems a little harsh; “Lastly, your son enlisted, not you, therefore it's his issue and he needs to deal with it. As a company 1SG I can tell you I refuse to deal with parents, cause last time I checked I'm not a Middle School teacher, and I'm dealing with adults who raised their right hand and need to manage their own careers.”

Would you use this same tone if the parents lost their unmarried son? Or a wife who lost her husband? I would think not. The Army used to be a family, leaders tried to get to know their Soldiers NOK, background, and the like. Here, you have a “Retired” Sailor and you just tell him to mind his own business and let his son handle everything, even after the young Soldier allegedly tried. Well, I believe as a father myself, sometimes my offspring’s business becomes my business.

As a 1SG, you may not be a “Middle School Teacher”, but you sure as hell deal with Soldiers families and their problems, this would be just an extension of it. If you came at me with that attitude over an issue about my son in your unit, I could see an escalation. I absolutely find your comments sickening and against what we, as NCOs stand for.
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1SG John Furr
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SFC Douglas Duckett you are obviously a troll with an axe to grind. To compare "Gold Star Parents" to a Soldier that is failing to take responsibility for his career is a moronic statement. If you continued to read, I offered advice regarding where to look for the documents; however, Soldiers must be responsible for their career or they will not succeed. To tell me that there would be an escalation with me speaks to your lack of professionalism as an NCO. At the end of the day I really don't care what you think, I worry about my troops. If you think coddling is the answer, we've got nothing to talk about my friend. Good day.
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1SG John Furr
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How did he accrue 7 days in 9 weeks? The accrual rate is 2.5 days per month. It's normal protocol for them to cash out leave for NG Soldiers after IET, the leave should not carry over. So your son should check his old LES's to make sure it has not been cashed out. Lastly, your son enlisted, not you, therefore it's his issue and he needs to deal with it. As a company 1SG I can tell you I refuse to deal with parents, cause last time I checked I'm not a Middle School teacher, and I'm dealing with adults who raised their right hand and need to manage their own careers.
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1SG John Furr
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He had to have some type of refrad order, otherwise they would have still been paying him. Has the Soldier looked at his IPERMS record? You may find the orders and DD214 in there. What unit does this Soldier belong to?
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PO1 W Yost
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I have heard the term IPERMS one time but I don't think he has accessed. Now that he lives in DC with me instead of Florida, I am trying to help him get these matters fixed. I will ask him about the IPERMS tonight. Also, I don't want his unit S1 to get upset that he has reached out elsewhere because they just decided to tell him he got that money already which is not what happened.
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PO1 W Yost
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So I have seen a form called the DD220 for the period in question in the IPERMS however no DD214 was done. What can he do with that form and the LES's that show the 7 days for 1 year and then the first one that just removed and never paid which was on 7/26/2017 right after he went to boot camp the second time? His unit did not want to help. Thank you
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1SG John Furr
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Now that he has the supporting documents, he should go through his S-1 to rectify, if not resolved, he needs to contact his company 1SG and begin escalating it up to the state USPFO. Unfortunately it probably wont be a quick process.
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No not till he completed IADT meaning Basic and AIT if anything he would get a DD 220 for successful completion of basic training. Also on the leave side if the leave is not used or actions initiated to sell then you will lose it that’s why LES stats use /lose for leave. during my mday career at one point I accrued 3 days from going on back to back orders and was informed that since I am not a full time member that come the start of the new fiscal year I would lose it because mday leave does not roll over you must initiate payment or you lose it
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PO1 W Yost
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Explain to me how Leave remove in July? I thought that use/lose only happened during fiscal year ending. The 7 days was earned in the summer of 2016 and removed in July 2017 right after going to boot camp the second time. I understand military pay but not detailed to the Army. I don't know of the RSP programs and only experience with use/lose for me is for active duty and not any type of reserve records. Thank you
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Honestly I’m not finance so I can not answer that but I do know army systems get back logged sometimes RSP is no different the the delayed entry program with the exception RSP soldiers get paid
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