Fox News Opinion Programming v. Everyone Else!

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:10:52 -0400

<div>***Update***</div><div><br></div><div>I have realized that I have made a fatal flaw in this discussion.  I should have only brought up the Opinion News Shows.  Fox thrives on them--Fox & Friends, The Five, Hannity, McKelly, O'Reilly, etc.  If you have seen opinion shows on Fox and other networks, what do you find appealing about them?  Why do you watch them?  They aren't strictly news programs--if that even exists anymore on cable--so what's the draw?  Can you make a comparison between one of the Fox shows and any on the other networks?  Admittedly, I cannot.  I don't watch this stuff anymore and most of my viewing was on Fox.  I don't read opinion pieces or anything like them for the most part.  I don't care what other people think about the news, I just want to know what the news is.  I do care what everyone here thinks though so let's continue the discussion!  I am interested to see how this goes.....</div><div><br></div><div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div></div><div>This discussion has evolved quite nicely.  We have gone around and around and here's what I find to be the main takeaways: No news organization can be trusted, they are all sensationalists, they have political agendas (Fox=conservative while MSNBC=liberal), they are looking to make ratings, and the easiest being that liberals hate Fox and conservatives like it.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>So, let's take the discussion forward.  Given the conclusions I just stated, do you think that any news organization, Fox or otherwise, doesn't tell the truth?  Can you provide some examples of a news anchor telling a lie, or perhaps stretching the truth.  I have already posted a few about Fox, but I would like to see what my comrades who are on the political right have to say on the subject.  Also, do you trust a particular newscaster or news channel?  Do you watch local news instead of cable?</div><div><br></div><div>This thread has been pretty active and I want to keep it going so please, discuss!!!</div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div>I imagine I may get some flack for this discussion, but I would like to have it anyways.  First off, I do not like Fox News.  I have a lot of reasons for this and can go into specifics, but the main reasons are: They lie, they distort facts, they make stuff up, and they are a platform for Conservatives specifically and in no way support other ideologies.  They say they are fair and balanced, but to me, that sounds like the North Koreans calling their country the People's Republic of North Korea.  Clearly, I am a liberal.<br></div><div><br>Why I think this is important: Many of our young Troops are impressionable and the station of choice for every office I have worked in has been Fox News.  I have seen blind support from our Troops on important issues that require, in my opinion, individual scrutiny.  Most people who watch the channel tend to repeat what is said without opinion.  I find this to be dangerous.<br><br>Regarding other news organizations, comparing one with another doesn't take the discussion very far.  I am specifically interested in discussing Fox.  <br><br>I don't watch the news at all.  I have removed myself from that sort of influence.  I get all of my news from two sources: objective media outlets online and from the two news organizations that really matter: The Daily Show With John Stewart and The Colbert Report.  It is from those shows that I see anything of Fox News.  <br><br>Liberals: Do you agree with me?  Why or why not?<br>Conservatives: Same question<br>Independents: Same question<br><br>I am very interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this type of media manipulation.<br></div>

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:23 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:23:50 -0400

I used to just watch the Daily Show in order to get news.

I do agree with you though that everyone needs to form their own opinion after reviewing all the facts available. I read newspapers and watch different channel news to get the facts then form my own opinion. I think as a nation, not just junior Soldiers, a lot of people just regurgitate what they are being told without thinking it out.

Response by SGT James Elphick made Apr 9 at 2014 12:33 PM

SGT James Elphick — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:33:30 -0400

In my opinion Fox News is no more dangerous than MSNBC, it's extremely liberal-minded counterpart. CNN has become my go to for one-station watching of the news because they generally seem to hate everyone which seems to be the most "fair and balanced" of any network. What is starting to worry me more than Fox, though it may be heading this way, are websites and channels that I have started to call "conservative tabloids", basically the same idea as the national inquirer except they are politically motivated and attempting to spread dissent and misinformation to the American public. But CPT M. said it, you have to view multiple sources, process the info yourself, and come up with your own opinion.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:34:31 -0400

<p>I don't think FOX News is any more dangerous than any other main station news channel such as CNN, MSNBC, etc.  They all do what you claim FOX NEWS does.  The only difference being, to me, is that you are by your own statement a liberal.  Obviously, as a liberal, FOX NEWS is going to stand out to you since they lean conservative.  However, on the opposite end a right wing conversative is probably feeling the same way you do about MSNBC.  </p><p> </p><p>I do not think any of the main news channels are unbiased and agenda free, and I think they all lie or distort truth.</p>

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:36 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:36:13 -0400

Chief,

I am a card carrying Liberal myself, but with that said we can say the same thing about MSNBC to a certain extent. I dont think they distort the facts as FOX does but they clearly present things in a left leaning way. Rachael Maddox went on about bridgegate for weeks and I couldnt take it anymore. I like CNN(Clinton News Network haha) myself. To me the best Liberal is my guy Bill Maher I watch it religiously and thinks he nails it on religion and politics. As you already know your going to get a lot of blow back from Conservatives, us Liberals are vastly outnumber in the military!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:42 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 12:42:06 -0400

They all "lie" or at least distort the truth. If they didn't less people would watch, and there wouldn't be a rallypoint discussion about it.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 9 at 2014 1:01 PM

SSG Jeffrey Spencer — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:01:02 -0400

<P>It's as simple as this...</P>
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<H1 class=quoteText>“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.” </H1><BR>― <A href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1244.Mark_Twain"><U><FONT color=#0066cc>Mark Twain</FONT></U></A> </DIV>

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Apr 9 at 2014 1:02 PM

MSgt Keith Hebert — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:02:11 -0400

I have to agree with MSGT Huffman it is an the persons responsibility to keep up with the news.
I am a conservative and I am constantly looking to other news outlets to compare and make my own opinion.
So foxnews,cnn,msnbc they are all just as bad as they other.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 1:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:15:46 -0400

<p>I find that I get my best news on global events from outside media outlets like the BBC. Al Jazeera can actually be pretty ok, if you can get over the stigma. </p><p> </p><p>As far as Fox goes. Does it have a conservative lean....yes. I still don't find that it misrepresents the news as frequently as MSNBC. CNN is a news source that I really seem to have trouble with. If it goes against certain politicians, they will blatantly ignore it. They also seem to be slow to follow news, or look for things that can be sensationalized. There have been many times where I read a story on Fox, and I want to see what another news source has to say about it to try to get a more balanced view, and CNN will not post anything about it at all. An example: the other day I read a story about an event that took place in regards to the Ukraine/Russia situation. It felt like big news to me. MSNBC had it. Fox had it. BBC had it. It was completely missing from CNN. However, the latest celebretard gossip was on there! </p><p> </p><p>CNN is also slow to update anything over the weekends which is where I get the majority of my in-depth news coverage. </p><p> </p><p>However, I do admit...I like HLN for a quick view in the morning as I get dressed. It misses a lot of what I care about, but usually catches most of the major headlines. </p>

Response by SGT Tj West made Apr 9 at 2014 1:58 PM

SGT Tj West — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:58:46 -0400

Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. are all equally dangerous and helpful. None of the mass-news outlets really provide "news" anymore. They spend too much time marketing public interest material to be concerned about news. If your young soldiers are buying into the swill touted by any of the outlets without thinking critically for themselves then you're not doing your job as a leader to help them develop as soldiers. The ability to think critically is a skill that they will need to be good NCOs, etc. some day.

That said, Fox, CNN and MSNBC are dangerous to an extent because every once in a while they report real news that is accurate and truthful. For example, there were all sorts of leaks prior to Operation Just Cause that arguably put the Noriega forces into a higher state of alertness than they otherwise might of been.

On the other hand, they are helpful because they often mis-report what the military is actually doing. We all know that the bad guys are watching the same new we are, so if the media is incorrectly reporting locations, operations, etc. then my boys are safer. The historians can sort out what really happened down the road.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 1:59 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:59:17 -0400

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Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Apr 9 at 2014 2:07 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:07:56 -0400

fox news isnt dangerous, its pathetic and laughable. It would only be dangerous if people took it seriously and while I'm sure some people do, the majority of people see fox news as so over the top and so blatantly lying they just can't take it seriously.

Response by SFC Gerald Kirk made Apr 9 at 2014 2:25 PM

SFC Gerald Kirk — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:25:18 -0400

CPT K, I believe that all networks slant the political views to there audience I don't think it matters which political party they represent. And for MSNBC to be less slanted then FOX is absurd. But you are a liberal.

OK Jerry is going to get on his soapbox now!

I don't really look at life the same way as most I guess, or go about it the same way you do, apparently!

I think really everyone should be morally guided by there inner self. but we have a problem there because everyone is biased in someone towards one thing or another so we need to start with a common ground somewhere, Ours is this platform the Military site Rally Point!

You can take beliefs and customs from other people to help you guide yourself through the difficulty's in your life or when you really don't have a clue which way to go. But most people are baised because or their up bringing. What was passed down to them from there parents and grandparents. This is where people decide in life who is good and bad and why they are believed to be that way! Meaning a religious person instance or (Christians) would say they dislike gays because in the bible it says they are suppose to hate them, but we are suppose to love everyone for who they are and where they come from (right)!

Also a sore subject: Abortion is bad because you are killing a baby (right), instead of looking why there doing it, its really none of anyone else's business, except nosey self righteous people who think they are better then everyone else. So lets destroy any hope of a young couple having a good life for themselves because they have to bring a unwanted or unplanned baby into their life. Life is hard enough without all the pressures throw upon you at a very early age! What's right for one person is not right for others. They should seek the help they need and get educated on their decisions and in the end they have to live with it what they've done through the rest of eternity not you. The world is over populated anyway, and people are starving to death because of this belief which is more humane for a babe to find its death before its first breath or to die from disease or starvation. It's a matter of perspective of course and who's eyes you are looking through. I'm not a women and I sure don't think I should telling any women who is destitute or not she should keep a baby she can not afford not to say able to feed. But we would rather put another baby out there too, so someone else can support it and feed it. What happened to the community's that raised are kids, now its gangs and drugs raising them.

Liberals make me sick and so do conservatives.

Where are the real compassionate people who really care about what is going on in our country and want to do something to make it better. I'm neither a Conservative or Liberal, I take my stand for what I think is best for the people or me. I go off of what I care most about for my family and friends. I think everyone should have a work ethic, I don't believe in handouts from the government, if you give to your country, your community, your state, with service or time you deserve to get back something the people who you helped retain the freedom, if you did not serve and you do not have a job, then you need to rely on the goodness of other people's hearts or compassion not from the government, or from communities and social media groups, churches food banks and shelters! but not from our federal or state government. I believe in the constitution and we all should stand by it and preserve it, not destroy it. It's what we all have fought for past and present future to come, I hope! I believe free choice. I believe in Darwinism, the strongest should survive, but I believe in helping mankind redeem itself, not the continued disgrace of depending on someone else to provide for them. Everyone is down in the dumps at some time in there life but living on welfare and subsidies their whole life is something else entirely. I believe in the right to protect ourselves and family and friends. I can't help you weren't raised around guns and the scare you so you don't want other US citizens to have them. Religion should never come up in politics and should never be forced a pond anyone and taken away from anyone either. There is no reason in public school there can't be a place for both 15 minutes set a side for this before school starts or something.

I could go on and on but I will save it for another time!

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Apr 9 at 2014 4:22 PM

LTC Joseph Gross — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:22:03 -0400

Modern liberals are notorious for attacking that which disagrees with them. If you want real, proven lies and really bias look to MSNBC. You claim Fox News is a bunch of liars and they are biased but it is the only news channel where you will ever hear a real opposing view from a reputable source. You won't get a well-respected liberal given equal time on MSNBC. <div><br></div><div>That something doesn't support your view doesn't make them or it a liar. It means they have a different belief. That you are unwilling to see that says much more about you than it does about Fox News and Conservatives. </div><div><br></div><div>It also says a lot that 70% of liberals say they get their news from Comedy Central...</div>

Response by SFC Stephen P. made Apr 9 at 2014 4:32 PM

SFC Stephen P. — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:32:17 -0400

I get news from Fox, NPR, MSNBC, the Guardian, ABC, or anywhere else that reports it. They all have an agenda.

It takes some skill to despin what they are serving, but it can be done.

The only dangerous idea is the idea that ideas are dangerous.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Apr 9 at 2014 4:33 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:33:27 -0400

I try not to make a political lean and attempt to watch as many news sources as I can (the truth has to be in there somewhere). I did run across this article which speaks to two studies speaking of the ills of Fox news and how it leads those who watch it to be more uninformed than those watching nothing at all.

http://www.examiner.com/article/study-shows-fox-news-viewers-less-informed-than-those-who-watch-no-news

I mostly try to avoid watching the major news stations and instead stick to getting the snippets from various online sources. I feel that leaning to either party and reading too much of their news can lead you to become biased and misinformed either way. So while the study above may make you think that Fox News is "dangerous" I feel that watching or reading only one source of news is dangerous no matter what it is.

Study shows Fox News viewers less informed than those who watch no news

Update: Fox News has responded to the story by criticizing Fairleigh Dickinson University.
Two years ago the University of Maryland created a bit of a controve

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 4:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:33:44 -0400

With all due respect, you admit you do not watch the news? You get information from the "Daily Show & the Colbert Report"? I hope you are joking as those are comedians. <div><br></div><div>I have no problem with Fox, I have watched everything from BBC, ABC, CNN and even MSNBC. I do think MSNBC is so progressive/liberal that it is amusing. Its funny that while liberal leaning news vastly outnumber Fox News, Fox News beats all of them constantly in the ratings.</div><div><br></div><div>I think if you want to be informed, you should learn to read between the lines of any news report. </div><div><br></div><div>Its our responsibility as citizens to be informed of what is going on so we can make a proper choice when we vote for our elected leaders. <br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 4:41 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:41:02 -0400

Chief,

The same exact thing can be said for MSNBC and even CNN, the most moderate of all of the 24hr new stations, leans incredibly left. News stopped just telling you facts and letting you make the decision on your own a long time ago. I don't believe in any of them but I find it hard to focus on FOX because you don't agree with their point of view. Should be shut off other stations because I don't agree with them...that gets into a dark area we don't want to go.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 9 at 2014 4:54 PM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:54:08 -0400

I am really enjoying this conversation and appreciate everyone sharing their thoughts. I have a follow-up question, which sprouted from some of these posts:

Does social media make for a good outlet for breaking news?

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 9 at 2014 5:15 PM

MSG Jose Colon — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:15:35 -0400

<p>Personally, I rather watch Fox News than CNN. Reason, over the last few weeks over 90% of their programming was the missing plane while there were many more news worthy topics out there. Totally unbalanced.</p><p> </p><p>But, I believe here is where we might agree. All so called news stations have opinion shows. If you just listen to opinion shows alone, you would go nuts, because they are just that, opinions.</p><p> </p><p>We differ on our dislike of Fox news. Who is right? We both are, it is our opinion, and opinions are based on our believes, right or wrong.</p><p> </p><p>I am currently living in PR and the local Direct TV does not carry it, I found out too late to break the contract.</p><p> </p><p>I read news aggregators. Drudge gets or aggregates news from the full spectrum to include Huffington.</p><p> </p><p>The Blaze gathers news from everywhere but they lean right (so do I).</p><p> </p><p>I also read the Huffington, and they lean left.</p><p> </p><p>It is not that Fox makes up stuff, it is that they report their opinions as MSNBC and the likes. The anchors can be unhinged but it is up to you to figure out where they are right or wrong. </p><p> </p><p>I like balance in my life, and that is why I read the aggregators and the Huff.</p>

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 5:19 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 17:19:26 -0400

One darn network and you can't stand it. Ok, you are a liberal, big whoop, I am happy for you. The problem however is that many want to silence those you disagree with. Why is that? Jon Stewart is dangerous and even moreso Bill Maher. Dangerous indeed.

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Apr 9 at 2014 6:28 PM

MSgt Keith Hebert — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:28:53 -0400

Sorry cw2 cnn was the first to being news into the ratings game

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 9 at 2014 8:13 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:13:34 -0400

Dangerous, not at all.....I prefer Fox News because I believe they do a better job of delivering the news but I have a more conservative lean. I grew up watching the evening news when the networks were actually still delivering news, prior to CNN and HLN, which I did watch for a while before I tired of their liberal agenda (thank you Ted Turner). As far as getting news from the Colbert Report or the Daily Show, please tell me that you are kidding, lol.....you have to look around and decide for yourself what news source you choose to get your news from, you can't let someone else or a particular political belief decide for you.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Apr 9 at 2014 8:48 PM

SSG Ed Mikus — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:48:46 -0400

All news sources are just as bad as each other, they all twist the truth for their own agenda. what you are willing to believe depends on what you expose yourself to

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 9:03 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:03:44 -0400

That's why I get my news from rallypoint. The most informative outlet.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2014 3:22 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:22:55 -0400

I do my best to listen to the first 30 seconds of a story, and then ignore the rest. CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, etc. Always start out with something like, "An 8 year old girl is reportedly missing since x/x/2014. Police have one suspect who looks like this (enter description, or artists drawing here), if you have any information regarding this case please call the emergency information line (or whatever fancy name the PD comes up with) at (xxx) xxx-xxxx.

Then they go on a spree sounding somewhat like this:

"....Mr. John Smith, a specialist in child kidnapping cases in the state of NY is here today. (brief good morning stuff) Mr. Smith, what is your professional opinion as to what happened to the 8 year old, Jane Doe?"

"Well, Billy I think that this is clearly a case of.........."

They begin to speculate about what so and so thinks happened, and it is no longer news. This has been especially true about the missing airliner. CNN is especially guilty of this type of "News".

Like I said before, I listen to the first 30 seconds of a story and then change the channel. Before long they are talking about what the Republicans should/shouldn't do vs. what the Democrats are doing. What the President could do to alleviate whatever, and it is all political from that point on. That is not news.

To be completely blunt, I don't like ANY main stream media outlet. They are all bought off by someone, and NONE of them are objective. Not a single one.

I would prefer to watch a news anchor who would say about 30 seconds about each story and move on.

Now if someone is congress IS trying to do something about an issue. How hard is it to say, "Senator Cruz (TX, R) introduced a bill that would make it illegal for a terrorist to enter the United States regardless of their position. This bill directly relates to the nominated Iranian Ambassador to the UN, Hamid Aboutalebi. The bill passed unanimously." Short, sweet, to the point. No speculation, No political BS, and objective.

Those are my personal thoughts CW2 Kantor. Now I'll get off my soap box.

V/R
SPC Needham

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 10 at 2014 4:12 PM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:12:54 -0400

*I am not, in any way, advocating shutting down Fox News.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Apr 10 at 2014 4:36 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:36:36 -0400

Anyone who complains of Fox News and omits mention of the bias of other main stream news media is betraying an obvious ideological bias. Let me restate that in simpler, more direct terms: You (the person who created this discussion thread) are the one who is biased.<div><br></div><div>There has been bias in all news media - print as well as electronic - since time immemorial. Complaints against any one of them are the product of a personal bias that is counter to the bias of that news organization. </div><div><br></div><div>Now, let's consider your concern about Fox having an undue influence on the troops - those poor impressionable youngsters. Are they being force to watch Fox only? Indeed, I would join you in your complaint if they were forced to watch only one and excluded from all others even if that one coincided with my ideology. Could you say the same?</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone seeking "fair and balanced" reporting must view numerous sources. I do. Do you? I expose myself to news reported from outlets around the world. The Internet has been a blessing in my life. I look for areas of agreement and disagreement, compare sources, and try to filter out the background noise. Really. You should try it.</div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, if you find Fox News so reprehensible, I suggest that you avoid it. Unfortunately, any suggestion that you want everyone to avoid it sounds a bit tyrannical, doesn't it?</div>

Response by LTJG Robert M. made Apr 10 at 2014 4:42 PM

LTJG Robert M. — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:42:27 -0400

Don Henley said it best in his 80's song "Dirty Laundry" All of today's "News" Outlets spin The news to their political bent to grab viewers.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 10 at 2014 5:06 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:06:38 -0400

You should have made this a survey question.

Response by SSG Matt Murphy made Apr 10 at 2014 6:09 PM

SSG Matt Murphy — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:09:55 -0400

Fox news is one of the few news sources with journalistic integrity. You have made some blanket accusations of Fox News "lying, distorting "facts" or making stuff up" - which is totally redundant to begin with, and makes it poor name calling at best. Then you end with another "claim" of media manipulation - inferring it is done by Fox News.

Please give specific examples so we can deal with your "claim" as it should be dealt with: all else is name calling. Pray tell us, which "news" outlet do you feel does not lie and is a better alternative than Fox. Tell us, by example, where they tell the truth and Fox News "lies".

Response by Sgt Mark Ramos made Apr 10 at 2014 7:31 PM

Sgt Mark Ramos — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:31:13 -0400

Is Fox News Dangerous? no. Even if I agreed with you on how dishonest they are, but I don't, it is the voter who is or isn't dangerous. If a person is so easily fooled and gullible they are the danger, not the person fooling them. Now, if Fox was the only choice, or paid for with tax dollars, or forced on schools, then I would say it is dangerous.

I believe that a major contributing factor to the great political divide is focus and an explosion of media. People now have so many choices to get their "facts" that they choose sources that align with and reinforce their beliefs. They enjoy political porn. You like listening to Maher and Cobert because they reinforce what you already thought. It's like when people shop for a car they read only one or no reviews. Once they buy the car they read a dozen reviews to affirm their smart decision.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2014 9:18 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:18:48 -0400

Personally, I feel as if Fox News and MSNBC are on opposing ends of the spectrum and there is a heavy bias whenever either channel is on. I don't watch CNN. The only news channel that I don't mind watching is Al Jazeera America, but like it was mentioned previously you have to remove the stigma of it being Al Jazeera. Not gonna lie when they called GEN Odierno the Secretary of the Army I did laugh.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 11 at 2014 11:55 AM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:55:17 -0400

Yet another downvote without comment. The whole point of this is to have a discussion, not to fling poo at one another. If you don't like what I have written, go ahead and downvote it, but have the courage to speak out for what you believe in.

Response by Col Joel Anderson made Apr 11 at 2014 12:16 PM

Col Joel Anderson — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:16:21 -0400

<p>A couple quotes from Walter Cronkite:</p><p>"In seeking the truth you have to get both sides of a story."  </p><p>"Our job is only to hold up the mirror-to tell and show the public what has happened."  </p><p> </p><p>http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/walter-cronkite/about-walter-cronkite/561/</p><p> </p><p>I grew up with Walter Cronkite on the news.  I trusted him and he expected all of us to get the rest of the story and understand the issues and facts in order to have a more well round and informed perspective.</p><p> </p><p>When he retired, we lost the true essence of truthful reporting.  Ego and personality entered first and then the ratings became driving factors.  I would venture to say, that if all of our news agencies embarked on an approach to emulate Walter Cronkite, we would be much better off.</p><p> </p><p>Today, the news is not the central driving factor.  In many respects it is how well entities market themselves and their particular organization for ratings.  In many respects its who best can manipulate the emotional buttons as they present information (not news) and how they do so to sway opinion.  Just look at the question and responses.</p><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www-tc.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/files/2008/10/thumb-waltercronkite-about.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/walter-cronkite/about-walter-cronkite/561/" target="_blank">Walter Cronkite ~ About Walter Cronkite | American Masters | PBS</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">He was the man who told us that President Kennedy had been shot, the man who told us that we had put a man on the moon, and the man who told us that we couldn't win the Vietnam War.</div></div><div style="clear: both;"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SMSgt Alan Saunders made Apr 11 at 2014 4:32 PM

SMSgt Alan Saunders — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:32:27 -0400

The news media are out of control - plain and simple. They have become news makers rather thn news reporters and investigators. The various media outlets have chosen who they wish to support (read, promote) and conduct their research and write the stories slanted in favor of their leanings. When did it start? Good question.

Maybe in the '90s when the Clinton's were being investigated for one scandal after another. Maybe after 9/11 when political pundits took to the airwaves to question Bush's responses to the terrorist attacks. Maybe in 2008 during a contentious campaign to name Bush's successor.

It seems to me the last time I remember responsible journalism was during the Gulf War (the first one of course). During that time, the news was the news and it was reported to the American public as such - both sides represented evenly and fairly.

During the 100 days - reporters became celebrities and soon after chose to become the news instead of reporting it. I remember being a CNN hound back in the early '90s. Now I could care less what they have to say about a story - it's not complete. I don't trust the media at all any more - and that is a shame.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 11 at 2014 6:50 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:50:09 -0400

You asked and I will answer. FOX is Horsehockey. I started out during they Heyday of the Cold War as a Spook I had more Radio's than Carter had little blue pills. We Used to listen to Radio Moscow and Voice of America and just bust a gut at the Ignorant Propaganda. Just downright Stupid both theirs and ours. I vew FOX in the same light Pure Unadulterated Propaganda aimed at Dumbing Down Americans. My field of Specialty was Electronic and Information Warfare and yes the Propaganda folks are considered part of my Community but the least respected.

Response by SSgt James Stanley made Apr 11 at 2014 6:53 PM

SSgt James Stanley — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:53:22 -0400

Since you've confessed to being a liberal and not liking Fox news, you have the freedom to not watch it, but you don't have the freedom to accuse them of telling lies, distorting facts, and making stuff up. You had better have some pretty good proof or you might find yourself in a libel suit. As for being a platform for Conservatives, that's what their in business for. I like Fox News. Clearly, I'm a Conservative.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Apr 11 at 2014 8:01 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:01:07 -0400

I am an Independent. I used to be a republican until the ULTRA Conservative Right (Fundamentalist Faction) took over the party. Fox News - IS not NEWS it is an editorial channel and if you understand that then it is not dangerous. HOWEVER, most of the people who are mesmerized by Fox News do not realize it is editorial any more than the religious zealots who claim John Stewart and The Colbert Report as news.

Turn off your tv as far as "news" programing goes and listen to NEWS, not editorials. One of the main purposes of higher education is Critical Thinking and those who listen to political claptrap, right or left, are little more than sheep being led to slaughter.

(Now ask me what I really think - LOL)

Response by PO1 Brian Woods made Apr 11 at 2014 8:04 PM

PO1 Brian Woods — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:04:13 -0400

As a conservative, I will tell you that FOX News is terrible. They play circus about serious issues. They need to be serious and report real issues with the conservative slant. That is there niche. But they act like buffoons in front of the camera. The idiots that make the Fox News agenda make people who are very smart and very likable, like Loren Green look like racist idiots. Fox News helped Obama win in 2012. If they keep acting like idiots, they will give the election to Hillary in 2016. Then we will all be forced to accept that socialism has taken over and will ruin America.

Those of you who complain about MSNBC, CNN or whoever. Let them be the idiots. Never compare Fox News to those channels. We want to make FOX NEWS the channel that freedom loving Americans watch. Just by saying that the other news channels are liberal and they suck does not mean that Fox News is good. Fox News is a reality TV program. When Fox News gets serious, they can help all of America love freedom again and more people will see that conservative views make all Americans better.

How many of you think that Ronald Reagan or Howard Taft would approve of the clowns at Fox News? Doocy's boy is the most mature person there.

Response by CSM Chris McKeown made Apr 11 at 2014 8:09 PM

CSM Chris McKeown — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:09:29 -0400

I down voted your topic CW2 Johnathan K. for singling out FOX News. Seems to me you have a agenda with this topic.

With that being said, today most US News Media is bias one way or another. I do watch FOX, CNN and use BBC to put all the pieces together to try and figure out the REAL NEWS. Though FOX is geared to be more conservative I have to say they report on things that effect the everyday American and the Military more so than most other US News Networks. ABC has been trying to get back to it's roots on delivering REAL NEWS but they still have a ways to go.

So to answer the question, NO, FOX News is not dangerous! What is dangerous is Americans are not getting REAL NEWS.

As for your global warming/climate change statements, I suggest you look into the past. We are heading for a ICE AGE, the heat comes first to help distribute moisture across the globe then comes the cold. The world has been here along time and has run this cycle several times.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 11 at 2014 10:27 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:27:38 -0400

Now there is a nice Challenge. I would recommend Poltifact they seem to be equal opportunity about calling out lies on either side.

Response by CPO Isaac Ferreira made Apr 11 at 2014 11:00 PM

CPO Isaac Ferreira — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:00:39 -0400

One word, "ratings"!

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 11 at 2014 11:42 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Fri, 11 Apr 2014 23:42:36 -0400

I don't like that you COMPLETELY changed your question for this thread. It is misleading and makes the thread very difficult to follow. If you wanted a new question I think you should have started a new thread. The original question is not even in your previous "additional details" that you left.

I'm not sure if you are just trying to get a high response rate or not, but I think what you did was poor execution.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 12 at 2014 12:48 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:48:59 -0400

The fact that you are asking if a news outlet is dangerous, is the dangerous thing. Free speech involves the ability to discern the bias in news reports. If one outlet, or a gathering of them, has twisted the tidal view of opposing points of view so far as to cause one to wonder if watching the opposing view is dangerous then each side needs to take a breather. If that can't happen, as it can't now, then the consumer needs to take news from multiple sources and separate the wheat from the chaff.

Response by CSM Chris McKeown made Apr 12 at 2014 9:14 AM

CSM Chris McKeown — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 09:14:16 -0400

At this time FOX News will win the battle, they have more than twice the viewers that MSNBC has, even CNN is beating MSNBC these days in ratings.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 12 at 2014 10:11 AM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 10:11:47 -0400

In order to take part in any discussion, you **should** be willing to objectively look at all of the evidence and not discount it completely because it is liberal (Paraphrasing another's comments). If you only ever listen to one side of an argument, you will never learn what the other has to say and are willingly following someone who wants nothing more than to lead you to where they want you to be. Listen to both, and you make your own decisions. And no decision is wrong when it is based entirely on one's opinions.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Apr 12 at 2014 11:21 AM

PFC Stephen Eric Serati — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 11:21:46 -0400

CNN,MSNBC,and FOX,are good sources of information,but their not the only source.If you want a better view you have to look into the social media realm.There you will find what their not talking about.If you want to see what your Political leaders are passing and how they are advocating for their positions,and much more news you should watch C-SPAN,1,2,3.To only look at one source and not question it you drastically limit yourself.There is always another side to a story.By taking a more broader view you connect the dots that wouldn't necessarily be there when you look through a narrow lens.

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 12 at 2014 12:55 PM

MSG Jose Colon — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 12:55:17 -0400

Sharyl Attkisson: "When I’d Begin Getting Under Surface of an Obama Scandal, CBS Would Pull Me Off."

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 12 at 2014 3:15 PM

SSG Jeffrey Spencer — Sat, 12 Apr 2014 15:15:38 -0400

Unfortunately, it would wind up like Congress with nothing getting done and no winner.

The problem here is the far left represents the extreme 10%, and the far right represents the extreme 10%. The 80% in the middle (which is most of us) are left unrepresented.

I tend to be more right based on my patriotism, knowledge of the Constitution, and love of liberty. There are instances where being more liberal is needed in the case of helping others and public safety. But don't go too far as I believe in a hand up not a hand out. I think guns are needed because a bullet responds in .016 seconds. A cop responds in about 10 minutes and takes a report.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2014 6:48 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 18:48:00 -0400

Well if we are talking "a fight", Fox would win every time because these are actual businesses whose ultimate goal is to make money, and Fox News has higher ratings. Every single time. Fox is almost always first, then CNN, then MSNBC. So it's not even close there.

As for your other argument, a Pew Research Center study shows that MSNBC is 85% opinion-driven while Fox is only 45% opinion-driven, so I'd also argue that Fox wins there as well.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/21/1195737/-Pew-Research-Center-Study-Claims-MSNBC-is-85-Percent-Opinion-Driven-While-Fox-News-Only-45-Percent

I'd argue finally that all of them are driven by one important metric:

MONEY.

They are a business. There is NOTHING, other than some sort of "gentlemen's code" that directs them to give you facts and only facts with no opinion. Their job is to make money and sell commercials. It's not their job to do anything else but that. Journalists may have some sort of "code" but the reality is they don't run the show, corporations do. Furthermore, Americans don't have too much capability to make up their own minds, so they somewhat require the news to tell them what to believe. Couple that with most people want to read something or have someone validate what opinions they DO have, they are going to tune in to whatever programming most closely resembles what they want to believe.

If you follow one news channel and one news channel only, you are being misinformed.

I generally have an RSS feed of Fox for headline news. I read what I want, and if I am truly interested I then Google News or whatnot for that specific story and read everything on the subject from HuffPo to The Blaze or whatever. I don't discriminate at that point.

Pew Research Center Study Claims MSNBC is 85 Percent 'Opinion-Driven' While Fox News Only 45 Percent

But they seem to have missed the fact that 85% of what Fox News Channel presents as 'straight news' is essentially fact-free and 'opinion-driven'.

Pew Research Center :

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Response by Sgt Matthew O'Donnell made Apr 14 at 2014 8:45 AM

Sgt Matthew O'Donnell — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 08:45:16 -0400

Mainstream media is dangerous. It's not just FOX, MSNBC, CNN and CBS. No matter where you get your news from you need to take it with a grain of salt. Conservative, liberal, independent it doesn't matter. You want a "fair and balanced" view of whats going on, look at several sources on the same issue. You might just see through the propaganda right, left wing agenda.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 14 at 2014 10:37 AM

SSG Robert Burns — Mon, 14 Apr 2014 10:37:15 -0400

Ok why do you keep changing the title of this thread? What you are doing should just be a response. This is really bothering my OCD.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 15 at 2014 11:06 AM

SSG Jeffrey Spencer — Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:06:36 -0400

To find why there is a lean in one direction or the other, simply follow the money (and the lean).

FOX - Rupert Murdoch

MSNBC - Brian L. Roberts

CNN - Ted Turner

ABC - Disney (Public), CEO Robert Iger

CBS - Columbia (Public), CEO Nina Tassler

BBC - Overseen by the BBC Trust

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Apr 16 at 2014 7:06 PM

MSG Jose Colon — Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:06:42 -0400

That was my original point. When you listen to opinion shows, that is what you get, someone's opinion, independently of what channel you listen to. It does not mean that they are right or wrong. It is their opinion or interpretation of the facts and how they want to present them.

I like O'Reilly's cantankerous stile but cannot stand Hannity. I agree with some of Hannity's points, but the way he present them, is just not deep.

People say that O'Reilly is not a conservative, but he does looks at the other side of the coin. It does not mean I always agree with his conclusions. That is what making your own mind means.

I cannot stand MSNBC or CNN's extra shallow coverage. Reporting the news also mean to go to the root of the problem and connecting the dots. Unfortunately, when you do that, it offends people because they do not want to accept that some of their positions are wrong, whether they are democrats or republicans.

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made May 19 at 2014 12:00 AM

LCpl Steve Wininger — Mon, 19 May 2014 00:00:15 -0400

CW2 Kantor,
Although I may disagree with your political affiliation, it is yours and I respect that. I also used to watch Fox News, and before that, MSNBC. However, they are all mainly opinion, and very little news.

I am studying to be a journalist,and am in no way interested in writing as these news outlets report. It is not only the cable news outlets that are giving journalism and objective reporting a bad name, the mainstream media, including the three major networks have become unreliable.

As a future journalist, I have watched all of them, and although they may not lie, per say, they tend to be more subjective in what the report.

The fact that the media has become so actively involved in Washington politics discredits everyone of them. Scandals about the NSA abusing it's authority to spy on reporters, news casters caught distorting stories, and countless other allegations has made it nearly impossible for the educated viewer to know what is going on.

So I do not offend anyone, let me explain my use of "Educated Viewer." An educated viewer does try's to look beyond the words to actually what is being said. Simply put, they can read beyond the rhetoric. News casts are full of leading reports and emotive language designed to enrage emotions in the direction they want them to go.

The danger is not the news channel tuned in on the office wall, the danger is uninformed viewers that tend to believe anything they hear, as long as it sounds good to themselves.

You mention that young troops are young and impressionable, many adults are impressionable also when the proper, emotive, language is presented to them.

The news you mentioned that you watch, it's biased also. I have observed in your statement that you seem to be more concerned that someone may watch something you disagree with. I am not trying to be disrespectful, just pointing out an observation.

So I will answer your question from a conservative point of view. I partially agree with you, all news outlets are biased. Too many want to base their opinion on soundbites and buzz-words. To quote Yoda, "Dangerous, Very very Dangerous." This is what is driving news today.

Even the shows you watch are biased, but wait the problem gets worse. With the internet, it is easy to go straight to the source of the news. C-Span one and two both show live broadcasts of public hearings and debates in the House and Senate. Her is the bigger problem. Many of the politicians speaking, are just feeding the news people their soundbites.

Most documents, laws passed, as long as they are not classified, executive orders, and other public records can easily be accessed. I suggest that people begin looking as close to the source for their news and turn off all news.

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made May 19 at 2014 1:29 AM

LCpl Steve Wininger — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:29:59 -0400

When Appropriate, and especially when the news is about foreign policy and events. It is good to look to outside, outside sources. I frequently look at China and Russian news, as well as many news outlets from the middle east. I cannot recall the gentleman's name, but someone mentioned that there are more dimensions in news than just two.

Foreign news outlets are no different than the news outlets here, they put their spin on us, the same we we put the spin on ourselves. No wonder I am dizzy.

I have seen it mentioned several times in this thread, to be the most objective, one must swallow their liberal or conservative pride, and look at as many angles as possible.

Lastly, to suggest a news organization is dangerous is sort of far fetched.

I will leave you with a quote that a corporal in my unit used to tell us when we complained, I can't remember his name though.

"Opinions are like assholes, we all have them, and they all stink."

Response by CPT Jack Durish made May 19 at 2014 11:34 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Mon, 19 May 2014 11:34:17 -0400

All news is opinion. Always has been. Always will be.

Once upon a time every city had more than one newspaper and each had its own following. The followers were pretty much divided along the same lines as the ideology of their favorite newspaper.

Most small towns had only one newspaper and the editor was well-advised to promulgate opinions that were in the majority.

Why then does anyone expect media news to be any different?

Once upon another time reporters rose from the ranks: copy boys, printers devils and apprentices begged to write news. The lucky ones cut their teeth on obits. The good ones rose to cover beats. The best rose even further.

Today's reporters are bred on campuses where, with few exceptions, they are indoctrinated with progressive ideology, and that is the ideology that slants their reporting. Yes, even on Fox News on occasion.

Fox is reviled because it doesn't follow the progressive ideology as slavishly as most others, and progressives are intolerant of divergent points of view. Okay, that's an opinion. However it's an opinion based on the fact that I rarely find a conservative who is unwilling to debate while I rarely find a liberal or progressive who is willing to do anything but tell me to shut up or join their chorus. Fox often finds itself in this same position.

Ultimately, I chose to gather my "news" from multiple sources of differing ideological slants and attempt to cull the "truth" from comparing notes between them.

Remember the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"? As the "chosen" sought to climb Devils Tower where they would meet the alien space ship, one led the way to a path that the others had not seen in their visions. The reason was that whereas the others had seen Devils Tower in one dimension, he had seen and sculpted it in three dimensions. That's the way you have to look at the news. Walk around a story. Look at it from all sides. Understand and accept that everyone is looking at it from their chosen "point of view". Recognize that one ideology predominates in the news media. Then, think for yourself.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made May 23 at 2014 8:50 PM

SSG Gerhard S. — Fri, 23 May 2014 20:50:23 -0400

Chief Kantor. I agree with many of your points. Fox news jumped the Credibility Shark during the last General election when they knowingly distorted the Republican Primary numbers and failed to report on the successes of Congressman Ron Paul, who, were it not for some "emergency" Republican rule changes would likely have received the requisite number of delegates to win the Republican Nomination. Their distortion through omission, I found despicable.
That being said, take a moment to peruse the other Cable networks, or for that matter the Broadcast networks and look for an opposing opinion. FOX, with all their faults, DOES put people on from the other side, on their opinion shows, and during elections actually runs a clock to ensure equal time (between guests). ALL the remaining networks are clearly on the other side of the political spectrum, and like Fox, they all have their scandals, whether they be Dan Rather pushing a phony fitness report on Pres Bush, or MSNBC with their can't-help-themselves Progressiveness, it is rare to find ANYBODY from the right on those networks.

In conclusion, they're all flawed models, but ignoring the opinions of others particularly in the absence of any reliable news, because the news is anything but reliable, or accurate, regardless the source, leaves one in an information vacuum, AND shelters one from various perspectives from which incidences can be viewed or perceived.

Response by SPC Mikki Ekanger made May 26 at 2014 6:12 AM

SPC Mikki Ekanger — Mon, 26 May 2014 06:12:12 -0400

Okay Why do I like the Fox outlets? The answer is simple common sense. If I have an opinion that differs from a conservative journalist I'm not called racist or homophobic or any other label that Liberals in their one sided tolerance like to put on people without engaging in intelligent conversation. MSNBC has been caught intentionally lying by cropping out certain details in video footage claiming that a white man was carrying an AR-15 at a town hall meeting. It was FOX and others that got that footage and showed that Apparently MSNBC doesn't know the difference between what African Americans and white people look like. The liberal outlets hear the name of an organization whether it be "Conservative" "TEA Party" or "Republican" and they play the race card without any intelligent conversation or any investigation. This means that if I want to be free to have my own opinion whether it is consistent or inconsistent with someone I have to got FOX.

The Liberal Networks reek of hypocrisy. Tolerance is only one sided and name calling for a different opinion is the standard. Now here's were I address the hypocrisy. When someone refuses to have a reasonable and intelligent communication about any issue and start accusing things as Racism, Homophobia (Which is used in the wrong context)simply by having maybe a different perspective - The name calling reflects their ignorance. Now check this out, Ignorance is the root to racism and oppression. So the people that preach tolerance are ignorant and oppressive? Here's a great example. Recently an NFL Player tweeted a comment about another NFL Player kissing his boyfriend. This NFL Player was disciplined and forced to take sensitivity training, but I seem to remember a player name Tim Tebow who expressed his faith and was repeatedly demonized for it. Who got sensitivity training for that one? Oh yeah that's how tolerance works. So that's why I find MSNBC and CNN both a waste of time. It's not news when you need to resort to name calling. That just tells me how limited that individual is in actually being open to hear a different perspective. In saying that I have seen people on Fox say things I felt made them look less informed. I do believe that Fox tends to be more willing to listen. Of course MSNBC and CNN will believe everything Obama says as an absolute truth as if God spoke it even when evidence exists that Obama lied. No certainly a politician wouldn't tell a lie would they? There wasn't two lists at the VA and nobody died. Benghazi was about a video not about terrorism even though key leaders said it was terrorism. Conservatives didn't get targeted by the IRS eve though an Inspector General's report says they were. Of course I'm not quoting fox here. I'm quoting the actual hearings.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Jul 10 at 2014 2:35 PM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:35:12 -0400

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fact-checking-site-finds-fox-news-tells-truth-18-percent-time/

New poll showing everyone lies. Fox is on the bottom of the truth-telling tree.

Fact-Checking Site Finds Fox News Only Tells the Truth 18 Percent of the Time

While MSNBC's numbers aren't exactly worth bragging about, they're still far better than the "fair and balanced" Fox News.

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Oct 21 at 2014 1:51 AM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:51:20 -0400

This is an interesting article about the difference between Conservative and Liberals in terms of their news choices/discussions.

Media habits of liberals, conservatives: 'different worlds'

Ever wonder why your avowed-conservative brother or fervently-liberal aunt can't even seem to agree on the facts? Here's an answer.