Fraternal Organizations

SGT(P) Eric Seiberling — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 11:22:20 -0400

Okay current active duty and any veteran. I am curious what you think about the way current American Legions and VFWs are? What do you like/dislike and in what way would you like to see it change? I am looking for constructive criticism, being that I am a Commander of a local American legion. I look forward to seeing your responses.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2014 12:12 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:12:02 -0400

They can be wonderful orgs, but often to cliquish. Sometimes stateside too focused on slot machines and not service.

Response by PO3 Shaun Taylor made Oct 22 at 2014 12:55 PM

PO3 Shaun Taylor — Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:55:35 -0400

I think the American Legions and VFWs need to do more to recruit people. What I disliked about my experience with the VFW was the fact that for it to be associated with military personnel it wasn't very welcoming.

Response by SPC Gilbert Caulk made Oct 29 at 2014 4:02 AM

SPC Gilbert Caulk — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 04:02:03 -0400

SGT, As a Veteran who has joined the big 3 of service organizations,American Legion, DAV and VFW. I don't feel the connection, I feel like an outsider and when I need the services to help me. I've tried to find different lodges to get a a feel them. I feel how the Vietnam Veteran 's felt when they came home disconnected. These organizations are good for the Veterans then and now. I'm not asking them to jump through hoops to have me join their lodges, but something has to be done to welcome and bring in the new vets as well as the older ones.I see lodges closing at an alarming rate when in fact they should busting at the seams with the amount of Veterans out here today.

Response by SFC Randall Beat made Jun 25 at 2015 1:51 PM

SFC Randall Beat — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:51:41 -0400

Hello "Brothers and Sisters in Arms",

I apologize now this will likely be a long post.

VSOs in general have a uphill battle against the current culture of our nation. VSOs were largely founded on an all but gone community culture that many veterans of previous conflict/wars shared. This is the reason most VSOs need to make changes to accommodate younger veterans, the old ways need to change with the culture.

Before I joined my local VFW almost 2 years ago, I did some research on the current status of VSOs and how they were fairing in the current national culture. What I found very quickly is that most if not all VSOs were shrinking in overall membership and many post were closing due to low membership and low activity.

I’ll give you a brief background about me to show you my prospective. I served 18 years US Army – Medical Discharged for lower back injury in the line of duty, 30% disability rating from VA, BA in Business Admin. – Marketing, MA in Business and Organizational Security Management.
I moved from Southern California to North Idaho in April of 2013. During that long drive I made a decision to be part of the community I live in rather than just live in the community. I decided months later to join the VFW in my community. So I looked up the nearest post and found via the website when there post meeting were. So I show up and as soon as I walk in the door, everyone in the room turns and looks at me. One of the members asked “Are you a member?” I replied “not yet”. I quickly got a reply “you cannot come in; this is a members only meeting”. I turned and left the room, a membered followed me out and gave me quick explanation why I was not allowed to attend and that he did not have time to see to making me a member right now. There were only about 10 members in the room and only one of them was below the age of 50. I came back on another day and paid my dues and became a “card carrying member”. From there I attend most of the VFW functions and quickly became a “pain in the arse” to many of the older members, with my new ideas and spitfire attitude.
Looking back I understand that many posts will come off with the good ol’ boy attitude, but sticking with it will often times overcome that built in culture. I also found that when I gave an idea that I needed to back it up with action and reap the respect from its success. Over the last 19 months, I have been given enough rope to hang myself and instead used that rope to make a bridge between the post and our community. Here are some of the new things our post has done in the last 18 months and the out comes from those events:
Hosted a Game convention in alliance with our local Game store
60 people attended and the event made the front page of the paper.

The post made over $18,000 dollars in donations and donated over $18,000 to veterans in our community. There were no 30% costs or administration fees put on this money. Every dime we were donated went back to the veterans in our community.
We supported Women Warrior Retreat and recruited several female veterans.
We planned and will hold our first Veteran Family Retreat this weekend, in hopes of making it an annual event.
From these events and activities I have learned that activity breeds activity. The older the average age of a post is the more difficult it will be to stay activity in the community. So recruiting members is and will always be the life blood of VSOs. If you are not getting new “younger” members, your post is effectively dying a slow death. As you all know many posts have a bar that at one point in time with the “best watering hole in town”. That watering hole is now all dried up! The younger veterans that would be considered the market for VSOs are in the stage of their life that they have kids and jobs, alcohol though legal is not the preferred method of building loyalty with a veteran family. In my opinion the posts that perpetuation the stereo typical of veterans wasting their days away drinking and smoking at the “Watering hole” is doing more damage to VSOs than anything else. VSOs must be active in their community or they will waste away.
Some of the ways a post can be active in its community are: providing a Veteran Family Retreat, putting on a month Family movie night, have a weekly coffee and donut (free) where all veterans are welcome. This is just a few ways to move in the right direction, I’m sure there are many more. I would enjoy hearing about them.
Since joining the VFW, I have been placed/voted into several positions: Post Jr Vice, Post Sr Vice, District QM and District Chief Recruiter, I also attended the state conventions, I decided to focus on my community rather than focus on trying to move up the chairs in district. As many of you know VSOs are a bureaucracy and that means “Red Tape” and paper work. After holding the positions, I understand the need for the paper work. My goal is to change my community’s view of the VFW and provide for the veterans in my community. VSOs are a community based organization and that being said they add value to their community or they will go away.

Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy post and if you are in need of direction when it comes to a VSO please feel free to contact me.

Response by PO2 Robert M. made Dec 30 at 2016 11:37 PM

PO2 Robert M. — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:37:52 -0500

I belong to the Disabled American Veterans as well as the Paralyzed Veterans Of America ( this membership was for obvious reasons for me! - I have MS, and I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran ). I was NOT allowed to join the American Legion or the VFW, for I was stationed on a ship, then in London ( 1980 - 1988 ).
I am not certain if the rules have changed.
I am not allowed to be considered a "Wounded Warrior", since I was not sick/injured after 9-11.
If I am incorrect in any of my statements, please correct me!
I am a Master Mason, York Rite Mason, A Knights Templar and a couple of other Fraternal organizations.

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made Nov 4 at 2018 3:44 PM

SSG Karl Fowler — Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:44:10 -0500

i had joined the local VFW went to a few meetings and did not feel welcomed there ,when I first joined I heard from them every month for 3 months then after that never again went to there meeting to find out what was going on and I felt like an outsider looking in ,so I left.been a member of the American Legion ever since and fell like they care for every vet they meet.