FT HOOD. The (battle) of no IBA run policy vs FM7-22 which requires a load during some PRT sessions. Policy or FM (think about our jobs)

Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:37:25 -0500

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 20 at 2013 9:39 PM

SFC James Baber — Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:39:11 -0500

I would have to go with FM mainly for the fact it covers everyones job and also protects you more liability wise

Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Dec 21 at 2013 1:21 AM

CSM Mike Maynard — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 01:21:41 -0500

FMs are guides, policies are directives/orders.

I would think that a Composite Risk Management was done and the Cdr determined that they wanted to mitigate a risk (injuries, overuse, etc).

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Dec 21 at 2013 5:47 AM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 05:47:11 -0500

Injury rates are higher when conducting PT under load. So, Risk Management. You want to do a PRT session that involves IBA, do your risk assessment and submit it up the chain for exception to policy. Outline your plan and program. Complete your Composite Risk management form. Task - Conduct run under load Identify Hazards - Damage to knees/stress fractures Initial Risk level - II/B H Develop controls - Graduated load over time/Increased distance over time per FM/restrict participation to 220+ APFT Soldiers    Residual Risk - III/D L Implement Controls - IBA w/ and w/o plates / 8-12 week training plan / pre-program APFT for PLT Who/How Supervises - NCO PCI/Commander (training schedule approval)/1SG APFT The policy is there for a reason, to prevent stupid from being stupid. A well thought out and organized plan will usually be granted an exception to policy, because it is no longer doing stupid just because its huah. Running a 5k with IBA is comparable to a shoothouse live fire. You don't do 1st day back from block leave...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2013 11:07 PM

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2013 11:09 PM

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Response by SSG Robert Burns made Dec 21 at 2013 11:29 PM

SSG Robert Burns — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 23:29:23 -0500

Your PT belt is a "load."

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2013 5:22 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:22:25 -0500

Personal opinion: train as you fight, under load.

Does FM 7-22 actually mandate this? The FM is the guide for commanders on how to plan their unit's PRT. It doesn't say that you must use under load cross country running anymore than it mandates Stength Training Circuits.

Should units whose METL features heavy lifting, foot marches under load, and traversing obstacles train those things? Most definitely.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 8:27 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:27:46 -0400

I think you have identified an institutional issue. Combat
is inherently dangerous and chaotic. It is "risky". The Army,
however, is risk-averse. Leaders who mitigate risk to zero are rewarded. Unfortunately,
this results in policies like the one you are describing. In order to mitigate
the risk of injuries attributed to battle-focused physical training, leadership
has simply banned the practice. The irony is that by doing so, they have
dramatically increased tactical risks to warriors who are deployed to combat
environments having never had to sprint, jog, CASEVAC, and MANEUVER in combat gear.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2014 12:55 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 12:55:19 -0400

This is an interesting question because I know if I went to Ft. Campbell or Ft. Bragg, they wouldn't have a problem with this. Now granted it has been a year and half since I left Ft. Campbell, but I remember do IBA runs right when we started incorporating PRT into PT sessions. If in combat, aren't there 3-5 second rushes? It takes away from training because shouldn't you train as you fight? I think its time FM 7-22 needs to be re-evaluated. You can't take away training that relates to real life situations and running in kit is a real life situation when in combat

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2014 11:56 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 May 2014 11:56:45 -0400

Conditioning training under load is high risk to joint injury and not worth it in my opinion. Save loaded training for skill training when you are in the field or on the range or doing the occasional forced march, scaling up from fighting load to approach march load. But don't RUN with body armor as a conditioning workout.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Feb 16 at 2016 11:15 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 11:15:03 -0500

back in the day we used to conduct a PT session in MOPP 4, we kept it simple, stuff like trying to play volleyball was far more challenging than what I thought it would be.