Gays reenact flag raising on Iwo Jima with rainbow flag. Is imitation the most sincere form of flattery, or was this overtly disrespectful?

Capt Jeff S. — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:21:52 -0400

What is your take on this reenactment of the flag raising on Mt. Suribachi by gays celebrating the Supreme Courts ruling on gay marriage? Do you think it was in good taste for the gay community to do this, or should they have refrained and found another way to celebrate it?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2015 10:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:25:16 -0400

I'm not really sure how to react to this one other than just putting my palm over my face and keeping my mouth shut so I can remain inside the "hug everybody, love everybody" military we have going on now.... I have no issue with gays in or out of the military, and have been privileged to serve with some high caliber folks who happened to be gay and lesbian, and judging from their Facebook pages, they didn't appreciate this move either.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Jul 1 at 2015 10:32 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:32:50 -0400

I don't have anything against homosexuals personally. I do think this is going way over the top though. I'm not so much offended as I am just pissed off they would disrespect the very men who fought and died to give them the freedoms they so callously take for granted. The few gays I know personally are rather offended at this display. They would rather just quietly celebrate their "victory" and go about their everyday lives.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Jul 1 at 2015 10:35 PM

LTC John Shaw — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:35:04 -0400

Capt Jeff S. I had an Uncle that fought on that island. I really don't like to see any commercial use by a shoe company or an interest. What I like and what groups do are two different things. It is a sincere form of flattery and it is not poorly done. This is something I will need to get used to, it does not seem to be going away anytime soon.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Jul 1 at 2015 10:44 PM

SSG Leonard Johnson — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:44:54 -0400

You know....I was lambasted all week with derogatory comments on a question on the legality of the decisions of the supreme court....they called me all kinds of names...without looking at the facts......Lookout bro....rallypoint will come after you for even bringing this up....since you posted this they will think you are a bigot. I don't....they will though

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Jul 1 at 2015 11:36 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:36:56 -0400

Tacky. My preference is for any entity not to do take offs of our iconic memorials. We've given up so much of our treasure over the past 200+ years ensuring our liberties continue that I wish non military types be more respectful and choose to keep that stuff off limits. Please choose wisely.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Jul 1 at 2015 11:56 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:56:04 -0400

It's weird how Under Armour tried to pull this same gimmick about 2 months ago and had to pull the shirts from market...people seems too intimidated to raise a fuss about this. Double standards at its best.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 2 at 2015 12:49 AM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:49:41 -0400

Doesn't affect me in the least...

With that said, to borrow a phrase from the LGBT community, "They're here, they're queer, get used to it."

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jul 2 at 2015 2:15 AM

Capt Mark Strobl — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 02:15:51 -0400

The iconic image will continue to be mimicked by others... simply because it is iconic. I really don't care what group is the next to use it. The original photo defines MY linage.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 5:09 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 05:09:48 -0400

I think it was gay and they should not have done it. Plus it blew up Facebook for the weekend which made me uncomfortable.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 5:12 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 05:12:05 -0400

I think it's in poor taste.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 5:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 05:25:41 -0400

My opinion on this, and similar things, is that symbolism is overrated...and that the original item is the symbol. Everything else is a) people who get what the symbol means who are trying to slingshot their cause using that momentum and, b) people who are offended by those people's cause getting upset about what they're doing. I suppose there's also c) people like me who couldn't care less about symbols and focus on the thing they symbolize.

Response by SSG Steven Borders made Jul 2 at 2015 6:44 AM

SSG Steven Borders — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:44:58 -0400

In my opinion it was poorly done. I know the LGBT community has had it struggles but to compare those struggles to what those men at Iwo Jima went through...Well, to me there is no comparison. Again just my opinion.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jul 2 at 2015 7:05 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:05:04 -0400

I understand. Some organization can't dare be original so they select an iconic scene from American history to use for their cause. I don't see it as being disrespectful. Actually I see it as sexist as it lacks a woman and perhaps racist due to fact in which I only see one minority, a black person. For a group who begs for equality, they have really screwed this one up but I don't view them as "extremist fanatic hate monger".

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 7:09 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:09:26 -0400

the picture has been around for at least the past 8 years for sure when I first saw it long before this same sex marriage stuff lol

Response by SGT William Howell made Jul 2 at 2015 7:36 AM

SGT William Howell — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:36:25 -0400

Don't even care.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 7:54 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:54:41 -0400

I am offended by this image.

Response by SA Tim Peter made Jul 2 at 2015 8:03 AM

SA Tim Peter — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:03:30 -0400

I am a gay man and a veteran. (And also the son & nephew of WWII Navy vets.) To some, this may appear as imitation. And in the most literal sense, I believe it is. However, not all imitation is necessarily good. While LGBT Americans (myself included) consider the marriage ruling a victory for us, I personally view the image above as disrespectful of the men who sacrificed their lives to raise that flag. I don't know of any (or very few if at all) LGBT people who sacrificed their very lives in a literal battlefield in order to gain the achievements we've reached thus far. No, this image of gay men raising the rainbow flag is NOT equivalent in any way, shape or form, to the original flag raising on Iwo Jima!

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jul 2 at 2015 8:32 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:32:56 -0400

I don't see any issues with it. Disrespect would be using this image for defamation, or obscenity (Of course obscenity can be debatable).

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jul 2 at 2015 8:36 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:36:57 -0400

A bunch of wanna be's who will never be.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 9:21 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:21:17 -0400

To me (personally) as a former Marine Infantryman, and a Soldier, I think the photo was in bad taste...I get the message the photo was meant to convey (victory in a hard-fought struggle), but think that anyone (commercially, politically, socially, et al.) using an iconic image like this one is misappropriation.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 9:45 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:45:01 -0400

This scene has been reenacted thousands of times, used as a tool to sell products, and even to encite anger.
This is flattery plain and simple. Don't look to deep into it and try to drum up some form of hate becauase of it. Most of the times I see this scene it is incorrect anyway. Pay tribute by showing the actual falg they raised (or a reproduction of it). It did not have 50 stars on it.

Response by MAJ Nathan Potter made Jul 2 at 2015 10:46 AM

MAJ Nathan Potter — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:46:18 -0400

Is no one picking up on the irony here, since the iconic image was a reenactment of the actual flag raising? A reenactment of a reenactment...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 11:10 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:10:48 -0400

I think it's cheesy and doesn't really get their point across well, but I get what they are driving at and can appreciate the message behind it . . . even if I would have shot the idea down had I been part of that planning party.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 11:13 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:13:01 -0400

Though another flag related one that I whollely agree with was that gay pride parade where someone made a parody of the Isis flag using silhouettes of adult "toys." Only made further hilarious because CNN didn't get the joke.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 12:45 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:45:41 -0400

Well, the interesting thing is that the original photo isn't the American Flag being raised on Iwo Jima. It's just the flag being replaced because a high-ranking officer demanded the first one that was raised on the island. Clint Eastwood directed a movie about it in 2006:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_Our_Fathers_(film)

It's kinda funny. We're talking about some people getting really offended by the comparison between military service and the fight for LGBT rights -- some guys choosing to mimic an iconic World War II photo. However, really, if you think about it? What is there even to be offended about?

The actual circumstances of the photo are kinda the epitome of what it's like to be enlisted. Some general officer decides he wants something. So, a bunch of soldiers have to run up the hill to get him a war trophy and then replace the original flag with another one. Then, the photo which was snapped of it becomes war bond propaganda on the homefront.

Yet, what people think they see in the photo is what they idealize and mimic.

Flags of Our Fathers (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Flags of Our Fathers is a 2006 American war film directed, co-produced and scored by Clint Eastwood and written by William Broyles, Jr. and Paul Haggis. It is based on the book of the same name written by James Bradley and Ron Powers about the 1945 Battle of Iwo Jima, the five Marines and one Navy Corpsman who were involved in raising the flag on Iwo Jima, and the aftereffects of that event on their lives.

Response by SPC Justin Myers made Jul 2 at 2015 12:49 PM

SPC Justin Myers — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:49:24 -0400

I might forgive it were they service members. If they do not serve then it's in bad taste for sure. I would want to know if they had served before passing judgement.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Jul 2 at 2015 12:49 PM

SSG Brian Kresge — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:49:35 -0400

My great-uncle was a Marine, fought at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. When DADT first arrived, he told me he served along plenty of men who were gay in WWII, but to him, they were just Marines.

It must have been watching all their buddies getting blown up on the beach and the hard fighting in the caves that inspired them.

Make your own damn iconic images, people! Stop aping other people's moments.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 2 at 2015 2:54 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:54:58 -0400

Ordinarily I would agree that imitation is the greatest form of flattery but not in this case. The LGBT community needs to find it's own images of victory and not step all over classic icons like this. Whatever the intention, copying this image looks like an attempt to elevate the SCOTUS victory to the historical importance of Iwo Jima and it is, IMHO, not even close.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 6:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:07:47 -0400

Some people are saying it is disgraceful. I feel it is more distateful. It mocks thier own want an need as an LGBT community to band together. My point is it is all guys lifting it up. If they want to express their struggle that much, at least they could be dressed up as the village people an flaunt it. When you mock your own strife it is pointless and shows just how unthought provoking it really is. This image however I do feel is disrespectful and glad Under Armour did the right thing by pulling it. Any feelings on this one?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 6:20 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:20:18 -0400

I wish I could get some biker friends to stomp on those guys.....

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 6:37 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:37:00 -0400

The amount of disrespect that can be portrayed by a picture is astounding. NOTHING that the LBGT is doing or has done can even remotely compare to what those brave men...heros...did on Iwo Jima making their way to the top of Mt Suribachi and back down. As a former Marine this makes me sick. So much disrespect from a group of people demanding it.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Jul 2 at 2015 9:02 PM

SSgt Thomas L. — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:02:24 -0400

Capt Jeff S., I see it as a heart felt homage, and not mockery at all. Given the body count in the struggle for LGBT rights, I don't see the comparison as inappropriate.

Response by GySgt Moses Lozano made Jul 2 at 2015 10:21 PM

GySgt Moses Lozano — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 22:21:03 -0400

They should have refrained in making such a comparison. In no way shape or form does the fight for gay marriage equivalent to the Mt. Suribachi battle! Another example of the gay community taking their agenda too far.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 11:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:14:20 -0400

Makes me sick. Comparing countless lives lost in the war to protect our country to something "won" by trampling over state rights...

Response by PV2 Edward Elkins made Jul 3 at 2015 12:17 AM

PV2 Edward Elkins — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 00:17:17 -0400

what if it's to symbolize their overthrow of the nation once given an allegiance "Under God" Communist subversion at it's best. It is disrespectful to all who truly fought for that victory in Iwo Jima and their families, and all who continued to be loyal to the principles and precepts that were truly defended in that battle, God established Justice , its a mock of true justice and demoralization of the purpose to our freedom, to make freedom ignoble and not a true cause to fight for,

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 9:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 09:27:30 -0400

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. This is really a non-issue.

Response by SCPO Lee Pradia made Jul 3 at 2015 10:01 AM

SCPO Lee Pradia — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:01:24 -0400

I thought it was daring way for them to show their community that their struggles, their battle was over and that raising of their flag boosted morale of those who were in despair.
That's what great about America, everyone should be able to enjoy the freedoms and protection provided by the constitution of the United States.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jul 3 at 2015 12:04 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:04:32 -0400

Within the theads of this discussion [which I started!] I run into the following message. I've gone over all RP menus amd settomgs to try and figure out how this is done but to no avail. Anyone else ever see this? TSgt Hunter Logan SFC Mark Merino

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jul 3 at 2015 12:18 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:18:20 -0400

Its not all LGBT people who did this, as a not straight person but a marine, I find it offensive. I feel that gays have won an important victory for quality of life and civil rights but its not the same in the sense of courage it took to take Iwo Jima. The flag raising represents a defining and important moment in time, not a long term struggle.

Response by PO1 Shahida Marmol made Jul 3 at 2015 12:49 PM

PO1 Shahida Marmol — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:49:50 -0400

It's very disrespectful! The gay flag is not the flag of our nation! The men that died did not fight for the rainbow flag. They fought for Old Glory.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jul 3 at 2015 12:54 PM

SN Greg Wright — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:54:09 -0400

I am offended by this. Just like I was when the white house colored their lights the colors of the rainbow for the victory. In both cases, these icons represent the ENTIRE COUNTRY...not one small subset of it.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jul 3 at 2015 1:22 PM

SN Greg Wright — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:22:47 -0400

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Jul 3 at 2015 1:26 PM

Sgt Packy Flickinger — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:26:18 -0400

There are many movements and counter movements going on. Race, religion, gender, orientation, etc, both sides are being equally as stupid and continue their attacks to unrelated parties. "Divided we fall". Dont ya just love our "hope and change" Capt Jeff S.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Jul 3 at 2015 2:34 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:34:36 -0400

I'm just surprised it took them this long to do it. They feel like they won a major battle so they want to mimic an iconic image then they will mostly for the controversy that some older people will take offense to. Its not all LGBT who are trying to shove it in everyone's faces, its the insecure ones who are the loudest and most vocally arrogant and they use whatever argument or symbol that they can to further their agenda. Just my humble opinion, don't kill me for it.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jul 3 at 2015 3:18 PM

SGT Rick Ash — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:18:37 -0400

Totally disrespectful! There had already been a disgraceful showing of the LGBT colors on the WHITE HOUSE this past week. There must have been a dozen different ways they could have done something without ruining a National Icon.

Response by SGT John Rauch made Jul 3 at 2015 4:09 PM

SGT John Rauch — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:09:45 -0400

outrageous. disrespect pure and simple. our country is dying, I feel embarrassed to even see this. what happened to the American glory that we used to have?

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 3 at 2015 4:28 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:28:47 -0400

No problem with it.

Response by PO3 Nichalas Enser made Jul 3 at 2015 4:53 PM

PO3 Nichalas Enser — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:53:45 -0400

Will only say, as a veteran like so many here, that when an image such as this is created, it bothers me when it is used for commercial purposes, like UnderArmor, to hock beer, or whatever.

From my understanding, the second photograph was produced by an artist, Ed Freeman, nearly ten years, ago to highlight the struggle for rights by the LGBT community. He did not intend' any disrespect and the iconic photo by Joe Rosenthal was one of the first images that came to mind when he was trying to convey the idea of a difficult, hard-won battle. It was not produced/sponsored by any community group.
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..."Freeman, whose studio is in Los Angeles, said he never expected the backlash. The image, taken before social media was ubiquitous, was partially staged using models, and completed with Photoshop, he said.
“The principle complaint that people have is that I am equating the gay struggle with the contribution and sacrifice of American servicemen,” he said. “But there is no equal sign here. This is not meant as a sign of disrespect. For God sake, no. I totally support people in uniform. There is no comparison going on here”...
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Art is art, though. Just as the original stirs a different response from different folks, so does the second.

Happy Independence Day, fellow servicemembers!

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 5:11 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:11:15 -0400

I find this terribly disrespectful quite honestly. The LGBT won a court case. That's literally it. The men who fought at Iwo Jima fought for their lives to ensure freedom was available to future generations. Men lost their lives, we're terribly injured, and when that flag was erected it was a symbol of true liberty and freedom. Comparing the LGBT rights thing to history in this manner, to me, not only demonstrates an ignorance of history and what such people went through in these times, but also a clear and direct disrespect on the events at all. Had the American GI's at Iwo Jima had lost, and had we lost WW2, the LGBT (much more the rest of us) might not have had much freedom at all. We'd all be speaking Japanese. So I'm not a fan of it.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 5:15 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:15:04 -0400

One key factor to making the appropriate decision: do not pick sides no matter the personal opinion/belief until all factors are set in stone. Without assuming I would just ask the group that did it what their intention was. Now, personally: I think yes it is offensive and distasteful. Now with out taking sides: That 2nd flag raising represented all of us (military and the U.S. population) it also represents the courage, strength and sacrifices in our struggle. That shot has become a legend, and during that period the Country as well all know wasn't exactly in the best shape, that photograph gave Americans (and other countries) hope, and realization that their sacrifices have not been in vain. Now, the LGBT community may be simply stating the significance of this iconic moment using another iconic moment... Or the "sacrifice and struggle" they have had... Or that it was not in vain. OR they could be simply spitting in our face. Idk don't care won't get pissed with idle thoughtless assumptions

Response by Cpl Ray Frigerio made Jul 3 at 2015 5:15 PM

Cpl Ray Frigerio — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:15:32 -0400

I consider it in poor taste to liken the privation and hardships that our Navy/Marine Corps forebears endured . That said , however ,it was just a small minority of folks that did it , and certainly that doesn't diminish their accomplishments in the furtherance of civil rights.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 3 at 2015 5:25 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:25:30 -0400

Aren't there so many other topics of importance that could be discussed? My dad fought in the Pacific (Bougainville, Borneo, New Guinea and the Philippines) one Uncle's ship was hit by a Kamikaze off Iwo, another Uncle was a Seabee in the Pacific. I am no offended by this image.

I could look for things to be outraged about all day, I'd rather be positive and maintain a positive outlook.

I am seriously wondering about all this emphasis on gay topics on RP...it seems that we discuss gay issues here more than we discuss ISIS or the Ukraine or China. Issues of importance.

I got it, you didn't like the USSC decision and some of your religious beliefs were trod on. The decision , however, is law and not likely to be reversed. Time to move on.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 6:24 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:24:43 -0400

Very poor taste in my opinion.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 6:41 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:41:49 -0400

My opinion is this imitation is in poor taste. I emphathize with the LGBT community's struggle but to equate it with such a horrific battle where lives were lost....it just baffles my mind. What is sacred anymore? Is everything we built this country on now just common fodder to use for headlines? The LGBT community should create their own moments and stop hi-jacking solemn military tributes.

Response by SFC Raymond Torres made Jul 3 at 2015 7:26 PM

SFC Raymond Torres — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:26:55 -0400

Not taking away from their struggles for equality, I think it was done in poor taste.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jul 3 at 2015 8:42 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:42:49 -0400

And now the 'artist' claims he is getting death threats and is selling prints o to raise money. To me, this is the perfect example of just because the constitution gives you the right to do something, it doesn't mean it doesn't come with consequences. Just like in Texas with that 'draw Muhammad' contest (Of course Texas was ready for them).

Response by MSgt Erik Copp made Jul 3 at 2015 9:00 PM

MSgt Erik Copp — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:00:46 -0400

Personally I find it a disgrace. I could go on and on but will spare you all from my soap box.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jul 3 at 2015 9:38 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:38:18 -0400

I find anyone doing anything to imitate being a Marine (if they are not) disrespectful. Yet I "get it" that everyone wants to go be a bad-ass until it comes time to ship to Recruit Training...lol.

That said, I dunno if the rainbow used here is any ("more" fucktardery)...its just "more fucktardery".

Semper Fi

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 9:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:58:03 -0400

i see this as disrespectful. There is a definite difference between the sacrifices of our servicemen and the political agenda of a few people.

Response by SP5 Patrick Rita Lovell made Jul 3 at 2015 11:19 PM

SP5 Patrick Rita Lovell — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:19:30 -0400

It seems appropriate, gays have done nothing original, they used a pandering government to steal marriage, they stole the rainbow as their banner, so why not steal images of real heroes?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2015 11:28 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:28:21 -0400

I think this reenactment was in poor taste. Struggles for civil rights and battlefield struggles in war are nowhere close to the same.

Response by SFC Michael Krogmann made Jul 3 at 2015 11:31 PM

SFC Michael Krogmann — Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:31:31 -0400

This is a disgraceful and disgusting lack of respect.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 12:18 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:18:42 -0400

Disrespectful and in poor taste!

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Jul 4 at 2015 12:29 AM

SFC Christopher Perry — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:29:54 -0400

I am not easily offended but this one got me. Interestingly enough the decoration of the White House got under my skin a bit as well. But then I am old and a bit stuck in my ways. I have grown to accept the shift that has taken place in our country with respect to this issue. However, feel a bit like it has been pushed pretty darn hard over the past few weeks. In my mind the community could possibly more quietly enjoy their victory. I guess hearing about priests being spit on at rallies and such has kind of put a bad taste in my mouth.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jul 4 at 2015 1:08 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 01:08:35 -0400

I think it is imitation and flattery... I may have something there... "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 9:55 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:55:51 -0400

Bad taste.......no. Disgusting............yes.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jul 4 at 2015 10:04 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:04:56 -0400

I find it deplorable that ANY group would imitate this iconic moment in our great nation's history..yes I believe in Free Speech, but to me this is just pathetic and offends me on behalf of my brothers and sisters in the Marine Corps, as well as all WWII Veterans.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jul 4 at 2015 10:05 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:05:09 -0400

I can't say I like it one little bit..........Regardless of the cause they use it for. However, it is their right.

Response by SPC Paul Shene III made Jul 4 at 2015 1:13 PM

SPC Paul Shene III — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:13:18 -0400

The original is an iconic picture as quite a few others here already said. The message of the second picture is to declare victory in a huge struggle. I would say flattery,

Response by SPC Paul Shene III made Jul 4 at 2015 1:14 PM

SPC Paul Shene III — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:14:20 -0400

good question... I'd say flattery

Response by CAPT Gary Foster made Jul 4 at 2015 1:26 PM

CAPT Gary Foster — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:26:10 -0400

None of those rainbow crowd people died for their country. I find this very offensive to the men who hoisted that flag on Iwo and then died for their country. Have had enough of the "in your face" rainbow crowd.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 1:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:44:38 -0400

Gay supremacists. If we had any sense at all, we'd label them domestic terrorists.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 1:45 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:45:00 -0400

I'm sure it is not meant to disrespect the original photo. It's symbolic of victory after a struggle. Obviously, some struggles can't compare to the sacrifice of human lives but that doesn't discount those struggles.
As far as the Under Armour basketball logo, there didn't seem to be a direct link to a "struggle" which took away from the symbolism I think. That said, I was not angered by it but it was somewhat tasteless IMO.

Response by CW2 John Brookins made Jul 4 at 2015 2:49 PM

CW2 John Brookins — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:49:41 -0400

I think it's easy to be offended. The original will stand on its own. I don't have the energy or time to be offended all the time. Of course, some make a living at being offended.

Response by PO2 William Smith made Jul 4 at 2015 3:29 PM

PO2 William Smith — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 15:29:39 -0400

I don't like any national monument or symbol being used for personal use. They should have used their talents in another way. Are any members in this photo that are or were in the military?

Response by Cpl Shawn Hueter made Jul 4 at 2015 4:01 PM

Cpl Shawn Hueter — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:01:48 -0400

This is a shame that people reenact this. What does make my blood boil is that the media and the far left will be applauding this, and some may not know the history or true meaning of this historical event.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 4:56 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:56:52 -0400

Do they have freedom of speech? Yes. Can they do it? Yes. Should they do it? No, it's distasteful.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jul 4 at 2015 5:43 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:43:43 -0400

Something that would be considered disrespectful would be these two images.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2015 5:44 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:44:57 -0400

Am I the only one that sees that they're missing two bodies from their recreation?

My inner perfectionist keeps getting driven mad by missed details everywhere I look.

Response by SGM Jeff Bullard made Jul 4 at 2015 10:49 PM

SGM Jeff Bullard — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 22:49:41 -0400

Truthfully 30 seconds after I saw the gay coalition mimic the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima I forgot it. I only think of our Soldiers that fought and died to raise that flag.

Response by PO1 Michael Fullmer made Jul 5 at 2015 10:15 AM

PO1 Michael Fullmer — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:15:54 -0400

In this case, I believe that it is totally disrespectful.

Response by PO1 Jonathan Barnes made Jul 5 at 2015 10:17 AM

PO1 Jonathan Barnes — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:17:10 -0400

I thiknk it's Bullshit

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 5 at 2015 1:00 PM

SFC William Farrell — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 13:00:53 -0400

I would take it that as we looked t the flag raising on Mount Surabchi s a big victory for the Americans, the gay rights movement reenacted the raising, albeit with their colors to indicate the recent SCOTUS decision was a victory for the LGBT community. While I am not gay, I do not see it as disrespectful. Do something that is uncalled for with the American flag and Ill have a lot to say.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Jul 5 at 2015 1:40 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 13:40:11 -0400

As much of an advocate as I tend to be for the LGBT community, this was in bad taste. Capt Jeff S. thanks for bringing this up...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2015 7:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 19:15:57 -0400

That is so wrong. It's one thing to be accepted as gay, and opposite sex couples marrying, but doing something like that is shoving their privilege in our faces. It is just wrong. They haven't attacked anything and become fatalities in a war. It's just unjustified.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Jul 5 at 2015 7:48 PM

PO3 Sherry Thornburg — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 19:48:11 -0400

I find most gay activist messages and activities to be in your face commands for attention with intentional shock value. Too few try to engage people on a personal level without an attack angle. Its sad. They do themselves and their message a disservice with such tactics.

Response by PO2 Joseph Reid made Jul 5 at 2015 7:59 PM

PO2 Joseph Reid — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 19:59:34 -0400

Totally and completely disrespectful....Almost made me throw up when I saw it....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2015 9:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 21:21:50 -0400

I find it offensive and in bad taste. Wasn't there a sports company who caught hell for using the Iwo Jima image for a basketball shirt or something like that?

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Jul 5 at 2015 11:15 PM

SPC George Rudenko — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:15:59 -0400

It's an iconic picture, as many have stated. But I doubt those men knew the history involved. Sadly enough, young america is not learning what the picture really means. Too much PC. I don't agree with what they did, but I can understand. Heck, we're in a free country, we can disagree.

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Jul 6 at 2015 1:22 AM

Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 01:22:45 -0400

While free speech is guaranteed to all in the USA, I consider this as outrageous in comparing today's events as being in any way equal to the original sacrifice for Iwo Jima in WWII. In my opinion, the creators of this modern reenactment using a comparison to a historical event are actually participating in a form of "Stolen Honor" without an apparent or full understanding the facts and consequences as detailed below: Approximately 70,000 U.S. Marines and 18,000 Japanese soldiers took part in the battle. In thirty-six days of fighting on the island, nearly 7,000 U.S. Marines were killed. Another 20,000 were wounded. Marines captured 216 Japanese soldiers; the rest were killed in action.

Twenty-seven Medals of Honor (our country’s highest military award for bravery) were awarded for action on Iwo Jima—more than any other battle in U.S. history.

The flag-raising atop Mt. Suribachi took place on February 23, 1945; five days after the battle began. Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal took the famous photograph of five Marines and one Navy corpsman raising the flag. The flag raisers were Cpl. Harlon Block, Navy Pharmacist’s Mate John Bradley, Cpl. Rene Gagnon, PFC Franklin Sousley, Sgt. Michael Strank, and Cpl. Ira Hayes. Three of these men—Strank, Sousley, and Block—were killed before the battle for Iwo Jima was over.

Response by PO3 Jody Wangen made Jul 6 at 2015 10:42 AM

PO3 Jody Wangen — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:42:11 -0400

I think a little bit both. many have been murdered just for being gay. but Iwo Jima was suicide for most that were there. and those at Iwo Jima were there under orders. to make a better world. lgbt are not under orders.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 10:52 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:52:55 -0400

Let's be honest, the gay community has struggled for so long in order to get what they want - equality. This image is symbolic of the point where victory for the U.S. In the pacific seemed very tangible. With the SCOTUS ruling, they achieved a victory that they'd like to amount to Iwo Jima. This is just like the Under Armor shirt design a few months ago. They just want to underline their sense of victory and accomplishment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 2:49 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:49:07 -0400

An outrage! Seriously, you all need to chill out. At least it's not a flag that represents slavery. I personally don't care for it but I seriously doubt the intent is to mock the original. Put you alls pitch forks and torches down and walk away.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Jul 6 at 2015 3:13 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:13:24 -0400

Capt Jeff S. - It is absolutely offensive. That is all I need to say about this.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Jul 6 at 2015 3:15 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:15:47 -0400

Framed in the history behind the gay rights movement, the sentiment is that a momentous decision has been reached after eons of struggle. Since the picture celebrates this occasion, and they are not, in any way, making fun or being sarcastic, then that spirit is tastefully portrayed. They are raising the GLBT colors, not the US flag, or a derivation thereof.

Response by SGT Christopher Purdy made Jul 6 at 2015 4:12 PM

SGT Christopher Purdy — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:12:06 -0400

Meh...

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 4:17 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:17:42 -0400

It's one of the most recognizable photos on the face of the Earth people. It has been parodied, copied and imitated many hundreds if not many thousands of times since the Rosenthal photo was taken. If those weren't offensive then chances are the gay flag pic isn't worth getting our collective knickers in a twist about either.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1360&bih=667&q=Iwo+Jima+flag+raising+parody&oq=Iwo+Jima+flag+raising+parody&gs_l=img.3..0.1034.10519.0.10899.30.13.1.16.16.0.139.1208.4j7.11.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..2.28.1249.NwpuFVfcMmU

Iwo Jima flag raising parody - Google Search

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made Jul 6 at 2015 7:46 PM

MAJ Keira Brennan — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:46:52 -0400

I think any representation for that iconic image for commercial or political use is in bad taste.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Jul 6 at 2015 7:50 PM

SFC Maury Gonzalez — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:50:50 -0400

Well just wait for a San Francisco style gay pride parade coming soon to a post near you

Response by SP6 Scott Elam made Jul 6 at 2015 7:54 PM

SP6 Scott Elam — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:54:22 -0400

Apalling

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 10:40 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:40:22 -0400

To be honest it doesnt bother me in the least. The flag raising has been parodied multiple times before this and more than likely will continue to be parodied. I think the only issue people have with it is the crowd that did it this time.

Response by CWO2 Davin Jantzen made Jul 7 at 2015 10:54 AM

CWO2 Davin Jantzen — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:54:52 -0400

That's bull show some respect not everything is about your sexual preference!!!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 11:11 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:11:19 -0400

Just Google IWO Jima Parody.
It has been parodied since the day after the picture was taken.
Everyone from cartoons like the Simpsons, Marvel and DC Comics, Peanuts, clothing companies like Under Armor, sports teams, and religions. I've seen Crusaders raising a flag with a cross.
It's no different than, gays, Simpsons, or superheroes.

Response by LTC Ed Ross made Jul 7 at 2015 3:55 PM

LTC Ed Ross — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:55:19 -0400

My views on gays and lesbians are on the record. http://ewross.com/Gays_in_the_Military.htm. I support gays serving openly in the armed forces. I don't begrudge gays wanting to live in a committed relationship with each other. What I do not support are gay activists behaving like communists, demanding adherence to the partly line and behaving however they tell you, you must behave. I also believe in religious freedom. Both sides need to cut each other some slack.

GAYS SERVING OPENLY IN THE MILITARY - EWRoss.com

Recent public-opinion polls show that more than 70 percent of Americans believe gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the military. Attitudes have changed considerably in the 16 years since Bill Clinton instituted the don't-ask-don't-tell policy.

Response by SrA Winston Stanley made Jul 7 at 2015 4:00 PM

SrA Winston Stanley — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:00:21 -0400

Gives an entirely new meaning to the quote, "nut to butt." I for one think this is offensive for the soldiers that literally risked their lives for our country that was founded under God. Just my two cents. Carry on!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 4:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:02:33 -0400

I think this topic may be out of context. Firstly, this photo is from several years ago and only resurfaced because of the Supreme Courts decision. Secondly, the entire LGBT community didn't come together and vote on this. This was the work of a singular artist and he can create whatever the hell he wants. Do I think it is in good taste? No. The metaphor is accurate, however the severity of the two situations is very different. Does this accurately depict the meaning of fighting for American freedoms? Absolutely. Does this acceptably address the sacrifices of both the military and LGBT communities? Not even remotely. But if the guy wants to make a picture of (facetious photo) then kudos to him.

Response by Bryce Englin made Jul 8 at 2015 8:19 PM

Bryce Englin — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:19:19 -0400

I take a view on this from two sides, I find the use of the image saddening because I had a Grandfather who served in World War II, a father that served in the Air Force and 2 uncles that served in the Navy and Marine Corps. I understand the fight for LGBT equality but wished a better symbol would've been used to represent the struggle. On the other side I could care less about the sexual preference or lifestyle of a fellow service member. As long as you can come in and be an effective member of the team, provide support where it's needed and grow to become a better leader who can motivate folks to perform, then you've done your job effectively. Yes this image is disrespectful in taste, but it's also become a political correct attempt by a few militant LGBT nut jobs (who have never served nor know anything about the sacrifices those in uniform make) to drive a wedge between us all. In this event it really isn't worth it to give these nut jobs the time of day, but we need to go even further and have our LGBT brothers and sister back because some of these folks are going to come after them for not toeing the militant agenda or line.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 9:11 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 21:11:06 -0400

The way I interpret the portrayal in the image is less of an imitation but more of a parody. The intent here seems to be an attempt to be cute, making it be in poor taste.

Response by LCpl Steven Humphrey made Jul 9 at 2015 2:01 AM

LCpl Steven Humphrey — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:01:59 -0400

There is just some thing you dont do. wether you ment it to be rude or not. some thing that are sacred should not be copied. besides waht happened the and waht happened now are ocean apart this was very foolish.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 1:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:15:37 -0400

This image is 10 years old no cared about it until now.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 1:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:20:12 -0400

This image is 10 years old and no one seemed to care until now.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 9:32 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:32:11 -0400

"Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima" (as the photo is officially known) is in fact, one of the most reproduced and parodied/satirized photos in history. This is acknowledged by none other than that great bastion of "liberal" thought, the United States Naval Institution. Interestingly, they take a very progressive view of the pictures various evolutions.
“Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima” is often cited as being the most reproduced photograph in history. It is also probably the most parodied image in the world. The “Iwo Jima pose” has become a popular symbol for organizations or movements wishing to convey victory, teamwork, or patriotism. The use of the image has ranged from respectful homage to what some consider offensive misappropriation.
They give numerous examples of parodies of RTFOIJ in the article. Perhaps they recognize that it is such an iconic image that somehow speaks to an ethos & pathos in all of us, that the image belongs to nobody, and everybody at the same time. It strikes a deep chord in humanity somehow and was even famously copied by the Russians in their image of a Red Army soldier raising the Hammer & Sickle over the Reichstag and a shattered Berlin at the end of WWII.
Ultimately, maybe the Marines who fought so hard and paid such a sacrifice to take Mt. Suribachi actually raised the flag for that most "American" of values: the right to be ourselves. And in my own way, I really doubt they would have minded.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Jul 16 at 2015 12:43 AM

Sgt Jay Jones — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:43:19 -0400

You know I don't have a heaven or a hell to put anyone into. I let people live the lives they choose. I try not to be judgmental. The homosexual lifestyle is not one I would encourage, but to each his or her own. With all of that being said. I am highly offended that they would take a symbol of heroic men who shed blood to protect this country and freedom and use it for social/political viewpoints. Especially, since I'm a Marine!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2015 5:23 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:23:33 -0400

It's a California thing. (How many Californians does it take to change a light bulb? A: 5, 1 to do it and 4 to share the experience.)

Remember 911? There was a lot of patriotism, and liberals (especially liberal Californians) wanted to share the experience. But then someone said, "You have to support the military", to which they replied, "we can't! ... But we have a right to feel patriotic, so we can share the experience!"

What followed, of course, was a lot of gum flapping about how liberals supported the serviceman, who they felt were downtrodden, and basically enlisted as a job training program. Then some liberal genius (an oxymoron if there ever was one) came up with the bumper sticker, "Dissent is Patriotic!" Liberals everywhere were overjoyed! We too can be patriotic, because we dissent!

Dissent is not patriotic. Dissent is their right ... dissent is my right ... protecting the right to dissent is one of the results of our service. But dissent is patriotic, unless you feel the need to share the experience, and you redefine words so you can.

There picture is just one more example of a desperate need to share the experience that they don't have the guts to actually do. And I think it's deliberately intended to piss people off. Vocal minorities must do whatever they can to attract attention to their cause, and don't care who they have to offend to do it.

Another respondent says he's gay, but doesn't think the picture was appropriate. That's good and I respect him for saying that. I don't think ANYONE has the right to tell consenting adults what they can do in their own home. There are people whose first thought is they want to serve, and people whose first thought is their cause. I welcome and respect the first group, but not the second. The military doesn't need people who put their personal cause before the security of the nation.

Response by PFC Terry Kuehner made Jul 16 at 2015 6:40 PM

PFC Terry Kuehner — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:40:10 -0400

As a Marine I am so pissed off over this heaven help them if I run into one of them that did this, My Corps. history and achievements are sacred to me, you might as well have gone and pissed on the grave of the unknown soldier it will get you the same beating

Response by SPC Michael Dugan made Jul 18 at 2015 12:39 PM

SPC Michael Dugan — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:39:41 -0400

Not good taste. Not even bad taste. It's an insensitive, disrespectful insult to those 6,821 KIA and 19,217 WIA Marines who went through the wringer there, because the similarity in circumstances and facts are tenuous, at best.

Should they have found another way to celebrate it? Absolutely.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Jul 20 at 2015 8:10 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:10:47 -0400

Absolutely, totally disrespectful.

There is NO comparison to the struggles of veterans who fought and raised this flag, to Gay people who struggle with their situation. It is dishonoring those who served and fought and died for our country. It's totally disgraceful.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Jul 20 at 2015 8:18 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:18:43 -0400

I have no problems with the gay population. But this is too much. Why not be respectful to those who made that event happen and risked their lives to raise Old Glory?

Response by MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht made Jul 20 at 2015 9:50 PM

MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht — Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:50:19 -0400

OMG, This is a descecration of the Marines who lost the lives their Lives there. I tell them all--if not for US, WE ALL WOULD BE SPEAKING JAPANESE OR GERMAN. They are sticking the flag in the wrong hole!!

Response by 1SG John B. Enlow made Jul 30 at 2017 10:24 AM

1SG John B. Enlow — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:24:39 -0400

Should they have refrained and found another way to celebrate it.

Response by CW2 Fred Baker made Jul 30 at 2017 12:00 PM

CW2 Fred Baker — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:00:50 -0400

I would give it some consideration if they fought, bled and died for the privilege.

Response by MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht made Jul 31 at 2017 10:48 PM

MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:48:49 -0400

It seems that everybody now-a-days wants to make a statement. Sort of like us kids. Daddy, Momie, look at me! I don't know exactly what statement they are trying to make but, to me, they just want attention and our Liberal news always complies. Besides, after Kapernick, this is old news.

Response by Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. made Aug 5 at 2017 1:31 AM

Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 01:31:32 -0400

Polling my fellow family members who served in the military. We all agree - 100% disrespectful!

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Aug 15 at 2017 2:12 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:12:44 -0400

IWO JIMA is apart of American history that can never be rewritten just as 911 will never be rewritten LGBT make a mockery out of our military and think that this is a complete joke and think that when it time to fight or time to die they come forward and say they are GAY or Lesbian and can not deploy to combat. WTH are you serving in our military for. You can not rewrite American History with your bigotry standing for LGBT. Find another place to harvest your eggs.

Response by Matt Moon made Mar 18 at 2018 10:30 AM

Matt Moon — Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:30:52 -0400

All I'm going to say is that's a disgrace to the Corps and leave it at that.

Response by Rory Schultz made Nov 19 at 2022 5:31 PM

Rory Schultz — Sat, 19 Nov 2022 17:31:45 -0500

Totally disrespectful and disgusting!

Response by Rory Schultz made Nov 19 at 2022 5:31 PM

Rory Schultz — Sat, 19 Nov 2022 17:31:53 -0500

Totally disrespectful and disgusting!