Posted on Feb 18, 2019
Given the return of Drill Sergeants to AIT, should the Army make every major CMF training center a BCT and convert to OSUT?
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Since the return of Drill Sergeants to AIT I have thought to myself, if we are already working 6 days a week, teaching WTBDs on Saturdays, conducting rappel tower, rifle and grenade ranges why not make every major CMF training center a BCT and convert to OSUT?
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It would create a lack of consistency. I totally agree with combat arms doing it but not other branches. I’ve served in non-combat arms units and I know the lack of consistency when it comes to the basics first hand.
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There are plenty of non-combat arms Drill Sergeants in every BCT so I am unsure as to which lack of consistency we have. Drill Sergeants are Drill Sergeants. Trainees learn basic Soldiering skills which we should all be well versed in. There is nothing inherently combat arms in BCT.
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Money and logistics.
When you have a short MOS with lots of students like 11B or 13B, it makes sense to lead them directly into their AIT. There's no need for any special resources and you'll always have a full class.
Now, take a low density MOS like the CMF 68, some of the individual MOSs don't access even an entire basic class of students in a whole year. Many of these classes are a year long, several of them have a second phase at a different location, and most of the classes are extremely small. Except for 68W many of the Soldier's would be holdovers for weeks or months waiting for their AIT. The Army is always pushing toward consolidation in order to preserve resources.
I wish we could do away with Ft Jackson and align the support MOSs with the combat MOS Basic trainings, but those bases don't have the resources to support that and it would be unreasonably expensive to run several other basics. Ft Jackson is essentially the result of consolidation of all the support MOS basics
When you have a short MOS with lots of students like 11B or 13B, it makes sense to lead them directly into their AIT. There's no need for any special resources and you'll always have a full class.
Now, take a low density MOS like the CMF 68, some of the individual MOSs don't access even an entire basic class of students in a whole year. Many of these classes are a year long, several of them have a second phase at a different location, and most of the classes are extremely small. Except for 68W many of the Soldier's would be holdovers for weeks or months waiting for their AIT. The Army is always pushing toward consolidation in order to preserve resources.
I wish we could do away with Ft Jackson and align the support MOSs with the combat MOS Basic trainings, but those bases don't have the resources to support that and it would be unreasonably expensive to run several other basics. Ft Jackson is essentially the result of consolidation of all the support MOS basics
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68CMF has over 20 MOSs all with different course lengths. I don’t see a way for it to be feasible. Some MOSs are not even on Army installations and some have multiple phases at different installations.
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You make a vey good point! With my CMF we have 11 MOSs an have been broken between three duty stations, three battalions and three geographically separate companies. I believe they could be consolidated on one post with adequate training areas. And in theory be trained from Basic thru completion of MOS training in that initial company
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But we can have 3 68C classes training concurrently all in different points in training. Seems like a tough nut to crack and is the juice worth the squeeze over how business is currently being conducted?MSG (Join to see)
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