"God and Country" recruiting poster; Do you find it appropriate?

SFC Josh Jackson — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:39:21 -0500

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not Christian, but I am something of a Christian sympathizer. I wouldn't think twice about seeing a recruiting sign like this. But that's just me...

See Why These Angry Liberals Just Forced An Army Recruitment Center To Remove This Sign

Left-leaning military civil-rights group scores "victory."

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Jan 22 at 2015 7:24 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:24:32 -0500

The poster does reflect my personal beliefs -- however, I don't think it is acceptable to display like this. What if the poster said "On A Mission For Both [insert a god that offends you] And Country" where a god you didn't believe in was mentioned there? This just feels too sensitive to me, and even though the poster does reflect my personal beliefs, I think the individual may have used poor judgment...unless there is more to the story that I am missing.

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Jan 22 at 2015 4:53 PM

SSG Christopher Parrish — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:53:26 -0500

It is my belief in God and trying to follow the example of Christ to serve others and give my life if necessary that I joined the military.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:12 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:12:30 -0500

Good question, SFC Josh Jackson. Nice use of a survey.

I'm disappointed that the poster had to be removed, not just because it reflects my beliefs, but because it's a clever way to appeal to a certain population of the country. This move, in my opinion, reflects the direction our country is moving. I'm disappointed by that, but not surprised.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:16:55 -0500

The US Army Chaplain Corps Motto is "For God and Country."
Wonder if this was a Chaplain recruiting attempt.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:42 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:42:38 -0500

I'm not a religious person. Someone angrily demanding that the above poster be removed is ridiculous! It is advertising towards a demographic.... a fairly large portion of the country. Should we now remove Kate Upton from whatever game advertisements she is on because not everyone is a straight male or lesbian?

In addition, if it were recruiting for the Chaplain Corps, which in my experience, is a part of the military, that is their job description to a t! For that though, I would advise "god" vice "God" since we do have more than just Christian chaplains!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:46 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:46:05 -0500

I like it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:49 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:49:18 -0500

America is quickly becoming a bunch of mamby-pamby complainers. We actually had NCOs (allegedly) come on this site and said to stop complaining about stolen valor. The next time I go to the VA and see a veteran with a voice box, an amputated limbs or there for mental health issues I will think of that person and be ashamed. However those old heroes are really heroes whether they were in theater or not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 5:59 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:59:51 -0500

I am not going to vote because it does not offends me, but I think that the poster is inappropriate. I did not join the religious army, I joined the United States Army and it's mission it's to defend this country, not a religion

Response by SPC David S. made Jan 22 at 2015 6:17 PM

SPC David S. — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:17:30 -0500

Its funny how our country was founded under the belief that individuals have the freedom of religion yet today Christian religions are being wall offed and are shunned, ridiculed, and have become offensive. And we ask why our country is falling apart. The PC dogma is making it impossible for our society to establish norms and values slowly degrading over time until no one has an opinion or cares about anything.

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Jan 22 at 2015 6:29 PM

Maj Chris Nelson — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:29:27 -0500

I think that too many people are offended by too much.

Response by SFC Stephen P. made Jan 22 at 2015 7:14 PM

SFC Stephen P. — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:14:05 -0500

Other:
I am not offended, but the message is not appropriate for an official display.

Response by MSgt Timothy Johnson made Jan 22 at 2015 7:19 PM

MSgt Timothy Johnson — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:19:36 -0500

However. My first thought was "ut-oh" This would not be the right thing to have on a poster. With separation of church and state and so many religious beliefs in our armed forces today it just may not work. I love the idea. There are many military songs that say for god and country and I feel that's fine. We also have chaplains that cover many religions.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 22 at 2015 7:25 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:25:18 -0500

Holy cow. PHOENIX?!? It is the rootinist tootinist yee-hawinist state I have ever lived in. The Phoenix VA hospital is finally sharing the city's fallout.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Jan 22 at 2015 8:11 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:11:10 -0500

In my honest opinion this is not offensive, it says God and Country well each person may have a different definition of God. In this case they are using a term but each person can make their own decision on what it means.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 22 at 2015 8:44 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:44:48 -0500

Honestly, I don't care what liberals think or how they feel about anything. First, any liberal party does not force the Army to do anything. The Army simply appeased a group of self entitled child sex offenders rights supporting liberals so they would not hear them bitch anymore.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 22 at 2015 8:47 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:47:17 -0500

"Because it's offensive to some, it should not be on a recruiting poster"

Something is offensive to someone all the time. Even our uniforms are offensives to some schools and other left wing liberal anti everything organizations.

Response by MSG Tony Williams made Jan 22 at 2015 8:48 PM

MSG Tony Williams — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:48:11 -0500

The sign should not have been removed

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 8:56 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:56:54 -0500

It was not the angry left leaning hordes from Mordor that caused the sign to be removed. Rather, the sign itself is not in keeping with existing command messages promulgated by R&R. The angry left-leaning hordes of Mordor did call attention to the sign (and some did go rhetorically fight-club on it), but the underlying problem was that the locals went off script.

Reference the Army Times article: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/01/16/-phoenix-mikey-weinstein-recruiting/21873217/

"The poster, which features a Special Forces patch along with Ranger, Airborne and Special Forces tabs, includes "a stock image" the command makes available for local recruiters, spokesman Brian Lepley said in an email, "but the text was changed by the local recruiting personnel" and not cleared by command headquarters.

"Had the process been followed, the copy shown would not have been approved," Lepley said."

The local recruiting station here is analogous to the local franchise McDonalds. The big corporate Clown dictates the advertising for the local McDonalds, and if a local restaurant goes off script, Clown descends upon them with 1,800 lbs of attorney.

'God and country' recruit poster axed from Army office

A sandwich board containing a religious-themed recruitment poster was not approved by Army Recruiting Command HQ.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 9:20 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:20:15 -0500

Although I have a personal relationship with God, one in which I don't attend church or the hoop-lah of "fellowship" with "Christians", I believe that a person's rights should not be infringed on regardless of their belief system. We are all humans. By having messages like this, we alienate "the other" and cause needless friction in society.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 10:12 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:12:29 -0500

Throughout life we will encounter things we do not agree with and most of them we cannot change. No reason to stress. It does not specify a certain "God". People get offended and judge too easily.

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Jan 23 at 2015 12:58 AM

LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:58:13 -0500

The term God and country goes way back. it comes from the latin phrase "Pro Aris et Focis" which is "God and Country" or more literally "for our altars and our hearths." Cicero was the firs to use it.

The Waits of Scotland has this as their family motto, and so do many other organizations, educational institutions, and military regiments.

I think just like "under God" in our pledge of allegiance, it is more on tradition than forcing religions down people's throats. There are many Christians who I believe would respond to this and join.

I think that is ok since it is advertising to a certain demographic. Some won't respond and that is ok too.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 1:11 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 01:11:54 -0500

I suppose in a one dimensional world this would be appropriate if the intent was to recruit monotheistic chaplains. But it is not. It shows a SF ranger type. It could show some hypocrisy to the masses. We are fighting a war against a foe who believes they are doing it for their God. If we have posters like this then it could send an unintentional message that we are performing a holy war. We are at war against an ideology that has already attacked and continues threaten our way of life. We are not at war with the entire world Islamic population.

Just my .02

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 4:19 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 04:19:54 -0500

To many people are to easily offended. Although it doesn't bother me I think they must have known it would cause conflict. May not been one of the better ideas to use it and to keep the peace remove it. It really isn't worth arguing over.

Response by Sgt David Weiser made Jan 23 at 2015 6:55 AM

Sgt David Weiser — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:55:01 -0500

I served a country where you can worship God or not- not to defend any particular God. This sign is inappropriate and untrue.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 8:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:19:47 -0500

Things like this pisses me off unbelievably. To hear people say you have to take it down because it offends me. Your lack of a spine offends me When you say things like that you look like a fool. Like me or anyone else need to be responsible for how you feel because you can control your emotions. Like this is suppose to give you certain rights. This is nothing more then a whine for attetion
This country was founded on the saying for God and country people saying Merry Christmas
Just because you don't believe in it does not mean anyone else shouldn't
I'm off my soap box

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 8:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:52:16 -0500

I'm ok with this. As I've lost faith in the creator but I still believe his word and works are important to our society as a whole. I'm not gonna push my beliefs on anyone nor do I want them to push theirs on me. However, as a SM, I believe in our constitution to freedom of religion, and everything else that we fight for.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 7:32 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:32:24 -0500

I don't see the issue with this sign. Now not getting it approved the right way well that is one thing. However I don't see a problem with the message some messages appeal to different people and nothing appeals to everyone so I would say leave it there are a lot of christens in the military.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 11:58 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:58:43 -0500

I will keep my religious beliefs to myself and personally I can see this drawing in applicants in more conservative markets (wow I am starting to sound like a recruiter) found throughout the South and Midwest... However, I can't believe someone in the VI department didn't see a possible issue.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 12:03 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:03:03 -0500

Recruiting is recruiting. If it brings in some quality I could care less. Personally I think our recruiting commercials should be like the one on Family Guy.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 1:10 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:10:36 -0500

This is a good example of one of the many things going to shit in our country.. This country was founded on Christianity and now anytime anything that deals with Christians is displayed some one gets "butt-hurt". When the tables are turned and they display Muslim or Jewish signs or posters or whatever no one seems to care to include the Christians. The way I see it is if you don't like what something says then don't read it and go on about your day.

To God, Country, Home and Corps let me be faithful forever more.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 2:17 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:17:57 -0500

I can't vote because there's no "it does not offend me, but the poster is inappropriate" option. When I joined the military, I took an oath to defend the Constitution, not to submit to dogma. The Constitution provides for the freedom of religion to individuals, in public or private, to believe in a teaching, practice, worship, and observance (also the freedom to change religion or not to follow any religion). It does not, however, provide for the preference of any one religion over another. Not everyone believes in God (I do, but that's irrelevant), so this sign is not appropriate.

Response by SPC Mark Beard made Jan 24 at 2015 3:03 PM

SPC Mark Beard — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:03:21 -0500

you know geee I think the sign is OUTSTANDING we used to be a Christian Nation never thought id be seeing our God given rights taken away little by little little what happened to the US I grew up in in the American legion we say for GOD AND Country
GOD LOVE TRUST AND HONOR

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 24 at 2015 4:36 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 16:36:41 -0500

It amazes me that more Americans are worried about a sign that contained the word "God" than what happened in Behngazi where our government refused to aid Americans under fire from the enemy or about the VA scandal. The sign could have said something about the God of Mars, Roman god of War and I wouldn't care. I might even like it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 4:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 16:47:07 -0500

Am I the weird one that sees nothing Christian on the sign? Most religions believe in a supreme being and refer to that entity as God in one language or another. It is not focused necessarily towards Christians. If it was it would mention Christ. I'm more offended by the survey that is upsetting so many than the sign.

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Jan 24 at 2015 5:37 PM

SPC Charles Griffith — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:37:58 -0500

So as it stands 82% of the people polled don't have a problem with it but the powers that be are going to go with the other 18%??? And we don't understand why our Country is in distress???

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2015 10:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:17:45 -0500

The word 'God' means different things to different religions/people. A Catholic may view the sign differently than what a Jewish person or Muslim may. Too many people associate the word 'God' with just Christians. And that's wrong. Remember, to those who worship Satan he is also a 'God'.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 24 at 2015 11:24 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:24:46 -0500

So, posting "For God and Country" is morally offensive, yet I just saw a commercial for a reality show about spouse swapping. A minute later, I saw a commercial for the new sex therapy reality show called "Sex Box." These are being advertised on daytime tv (not prime time pay channels). Stop the planet, I'd like to get off.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 2:09 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 02:09:14 -0500

The military does and should always protect the personal right to religious freedom, however, the military should not and does not endorse or favor any religious faith or absence of faith.

Response by 1LT David Moeglein made Jan 25 at 2015 3:02 AM

1LT David Moeglein — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:02:57 -0500

I think they're onto something in Arizona. Did this increase their recruiting numbers? If it did, let's keep it going.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 6:10 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 06:10:37 -0500

Though it does reflect my beliefs, I don't feel as if it should be a recruiting poster.

What is this the crusades?

This is how the message that is legitimately out there gets spun by non-believers, atheists, agnostics, and those of other religions. By people not looking at all aspects of what is put out there.

I don't know how this gets approved, while at the same time leaders are being told that if they show that they believe or share their beliefs they could be in trouble for proselytizing.

Response by 1SG Eric Rice made Jan 25 at 2015 7:15 AM

1SG Eric Rice — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 07:15:03 -0500

If we have all raised out right hand and took the "Oath" to protect and defend the Constitution why would we sensor what is on a recruiting poster? There is a lot of heritage in those words going back to colonial times I believe. The PC police are at it again... We are suppose to be a nation of tolerance but have become a nation with little common sense and a victim mentality. Just my opinion.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jan 25 at 2015 7:59 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 07:59:35 -0500

The thing to keep in mind is that our mission is not just of National Defense but of Global Stability.

We don't just guard America, but we maintain a physical presence around the world so other nations don't have to, which in turn reduces the chances of large scale conflicts. Less standing armies, mean less wars for everyone.

Having any religious undertones to a recruiting poster is a bad idea. Our last several conflicts have been in areas that are predominantly not Christian, and even the implication that those conflicts are religion based is just wrong.

America goes to 'war' politically, not based on religion. War is nothing more than Diplomacy through force of arms.

The poster however implies something else.

The poster doesn't offend me, but that doesn't mean it's appropriate either. There are lots of things inoffensive things that just aren't done in the military, because they are inappropriate.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 9:15 AM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:15:50 -0500

I dunno, if this were outside of a Chaplain Recruiting office then whats the problem? Isnt our crest Pro Deo et Patria?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 11:29 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:29:10 -0500

Wasn't this Country founded those same thoughts, For God and Country? Why people get so hurt about others believes? What happen to the right to freedom of speech? What happen to being equal opportunity? Now because some people think that God shouldn't be in a recruiting sign because not everyone believe in God the sign will come down, OK, so you just accommodated a few by taking it down. Now, how about those who do BELIEVE IN GOD, how are you going to accommodate them? It’s the same situation just different views. Let’s stop worrying about who is going to feel what. The Military Service was founded on specific and precise rules. Let us keep those standards to join the service no matter who you are. If you don’t like, agree, or can back up the Military Service then it’s a free decision, you don’t have to join. Keep walking and make this country better some other way.

I joined the Army among other reasons for MY GOD and this Country!

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Jan 25 at 2015 11:35 AM

SPC Stewart Smith — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:35:26 -0500

This poster completely segregates every single non believer.

Response by CMC Robert Young made Jan 25 at 2015 12:15 PM

CMC Robert Young — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:15:51 -0500

SFC Jackson, thanks for your perspective, your wisdom, and your tolerance!! Good on you!!

I think the key point here is "ANGRY LIBERALS".....does anybody ever remember seeing a happy liberal? It seems they are bent on having everybody conform to what THEY consider correct, and eliminating anything that OFFENDS them. There is always something wrong which requires them to act in self righteous indignation to correct the wayward masses from their obviously evil ways.

It's time to put our big boy/girl pants on, and realize that OUR perspective IS NOT the only perspective. If you disagree with something so long as it is not a matter of immediate life and death, be mature/intelligent/thick skinned enough to live your own life comfortable and satisfied with your own views; and equally mature/intelligent/thick skinned enough to realize that people with competing views have the same rights as do you. It's entirely possible that they find you and your opinion offensive/uneducated/uninformed/short sighted/stupid/insert your adjective of choice here.

One of the cornerstones to a FREE society is that we (the royal collective we) MUST live our lives with the clear understanding that there are simply other trains of thought and opinions which will always differ from our own. We are not ENTITLED (key word here) to reduce another's rights/privileges because we don't agree with their point of view. Being offended doesn't give anybody the right to eliminate what they consider offensive. It's time for Americans to grow up....it's okay that people disagree with other people. Until the shooting starts, it's not really the end of the world.

Master Chief rant complete. Out.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Jan 25 at 2015 12:29 PM

COL Ted Mc — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:29:25 -0500

Since the US government is attempting to persuade the world that it is NOT on a "great Crusade For Christ", it's rather inappropriate to advertise that it is on anything that even hints of being a "religious crusade".

Whether you agree with the sentiments on the poster or not, you still have to deal with the impact that the poster has outside of its intended "target group".

[ADDENDUM 1 - Even though the poster doesn't say WHICH "God" even a quick scan of the threads will convince anyone that it is the "Christian God" that is being referred to. The issue is NOT whether the poster reflects YOUR beliefs but whether flaunting them is either a good tactical or strategic idea.]

[ADDENDUM 2 - The poster was NOT an authorized recruiting device and, accordingly is just as appropriate as one showing an attractive military person and that had the caption "JOIN ME and get laid."]

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Jan 25 at 2015 12:32 PM

Cpl Peter Martuneac — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:32:23 -0500

I personally don't mind it, but the argument against is logical. Since the US Army is a government organization, it seems that they are promoting having religion, or that every soldier is crusading for God. There's plenty of non-religious people in the military these days. I don't mind the sign, and if I did I'd just look away. But the complaint is legitimate.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 1:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:31:56 -0500

There is no balance which makes me feel like most people in that position. I will cling to that which I know is just and true. I live by true principles not the demands of the trends of the day.

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Jan 25 at 2015 1:43 PM

SGT Justin Singleton — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:43:54 -0500

Perhaps the first two options could have been merged and simply stated, "I do not find the sign offensive"?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 1:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:45:58 -0500

We no longer have an identity as a country. The oath will he next ... I just want to know where this stops? If you begin to discuss what is next you are a conspiracy theorist and a crackpot.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 2:04 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:04:48 -0500

I am an Atheist. I completely disagree with the inclusion of god on the sign, and it does offend me. I don't like being told that I am doing "Gods work", or the like, by serving in the military. So for the most part, I agree with the Weinstein, though to a lesser degree. However, I guarantee the recruiter(s) who put it up had the best of intentions, and didn't think it would be an issue, and I personally hold nothing against them. In the grand scheme of things, its a pretty insignificant thing to get upset about, but it doesn't make it right either.

Response by SFC K. E. Woolfork made Jan 25 at 2015 2:20 PM

SFC K. E. Woolfork — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:20:33 -0500

Are people so dense not to understand this is a marketing campaign? This was designed to target a certain demographic and spur them into service. The poster speaks directly to, perhaps, some God fearing person without direction who wants to be a part of something greater, an elite caste of Soldiers.

To get butt hurt over something that wasn't FOR you is ridiculous. If you don't believe in God, perhaps it's not for you. If you don't believe in what the country stands for or was founded on, it's not for you. We are knee jerk reacting to the minority without considering the majority. I would bet more people walked by this sign, read it and realized it wasn't for them that walked by it and was offended.

None of these choices fit my perspective which is somewhere between WHO CARES?! and WANT A TISSUE?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 2:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:23:35 -0500

I'm not overtly offended by it, because I think the expression 'for god and country' doesn't have to connote "Join the Christian God's US Army for Jesus".

There are plenty of different reasons to enlist. Some people do it for education or work experience, some people do it as a coming of age tradition within their families, and some people do it for spiritual reasons. You could be Muslim or Jewish and feel like the global war on terror is a mission worthy of your God and be just as motivated to enlist for spiritual purposes as a christian might.

That being said, I don't think that the US Army needs religiously-focused recruiting tools and advertisements. There are dozens of awesome reasons to enlist that are practical, professional, and patriotic. If this recruiting office can't think of a better pitch than 'On a mission for both God and country.' then they're not doing the service justice, in my opinion.

So no, not offended, but maybe a little but disappointed.

Response by SSG Michael Hathaway made Jan 25 at 2015 3:45 PM

SSG Michael Hathaway — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:45:15 -0500

I saw this on FB awhile ago and responded with "What's so wrong with the sign? I joined for family, God and country. This is getting ridiculous, people are too sensitive in this day and age. We can't even have the word God. It makes me wonder if the offense would have been as serious if another name was put up there."

Of course I received reply comment of "So I guess you slept through the part about "separation of church and state" in high school..."

To which I responded, "Nope, I was educated on the separation and the idea behind while I was in elementary school, but I did pledge allegiance to the flag with “one nation under God.”
Let’s assume all political correctness; we need to reprint all currency and other documents within our great nation to include the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Though God is not always specifically stated in some documents, there is reference to a “Supreme Judge”, “God-given rights”, “Creator”, “Diving Providence” and such. Each is capitalized to signify importance of title or name. In this PC driven world, those references may offend others; I personally think that some sensitivities are just too much, as indicated by my original response. I took an oath when entering the military to support and defend the Constitution of the United States…”so help me God.” Does your statement mean my oath should be rescinded due to the separation of church and state?"

Response by SGT Bobby F. made Jan 25 at 2015 6:12 PM

SGT Bobby F. — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:12:59 -0500

It seems as though there are two different discussions going on in this thread. Whether or not this should be a part of Army recruitment, and whether or not people should be offended.

No, at this stage of our military and country's development, God should not be a part of it.
No, people should not be offended by this poster.

I understand the message this poster is conveying, and no one should be offended by it. It is a good message and I can support it, but ultimately one should not need God or anything otherwise religious involved to understand the need for the Soldier. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Flying Spaghetti Monster, it doesn't matter. I am here to serve my fellow American, and that's all the reason anyone should need.

Response by PO2 Matt Storms made Jan 26 at 2015 1:53 AM

PO2 Matt Storms — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 01:53:49 -0500

Who cares? If you don't serve you cannot complain.

Response by SPC David S. made Jan 26 at 2015 2:31 AM

SPC David S. — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 02:31:00 -0500

Here's a little tidbit from none other "God and Country" the blog site for christianfighterpilot.com
How Ironic is that?

http://christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2015/01/19/army-removes-god-and-country-after-army-times-inquiry/

Army Removes “God and Country” after Army Times Inquiry | God and Country

A US Army recruiting post in Phoenix, Arizona, removed a sign with “On a mission for God and country” tag line after a media inquiry.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Jan 26 at 2015 8:13 AM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:13:53 -0500

I wish there were a 5th option on your voting...That poster is funny...at least to anyone who has seen "Blue Brothers".
By the way, "God" is not a Christians-only thing. Jews, Muslims, in fact every monotheistic religion has God.
If you haven't seen Blues Brothers, see it! They are "on a mission from God".

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 8:23 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:23:50 -0500

While I was raised Protestant and confirmed into the church, I am currently Non-Religious (No Religious Preference on my ID Tags) and more spiritual than religious. If you press me on it, I will tell you I am a Taoist.

However, my wife and daughter are very religious and go to church every Sunday. I support their convictions and devotion. I do not let my own beliefs (or lack thereof) rain on their parade.

I think that if everyone stopped trying to judge everyone else on their religious or non-religious beliefs, this wouldn't be an issue.

I also find it curious that the atheists never seem to protest all the Muslim fervor going on recently. So are you really an atheist if you only protest ONE religion?

Response by SSG Ronald Limbaugh made Jan 26 at 2015 8:59 AM

SSG Ronald Limbaugh — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:59:38 -0500

God should not be on any government produced literature, whatsoever, since this might give the impression that a particular religion is being supported by the U.S. government. The Constitution, which we all swore to uphold, guarantees freedom of religion and the proscription against a state established religion. The Army, nor any other branch of the military, should be using god, or any other deity, in their recruiting efforts. The only time any religion should be brought up, at all, in my opinion, is during authorized church services conducted by a chaplain, or during meetings of members of faith.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 11:30 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:30:09 -0500

I have no problem with it, but I see the point of those that do.

I'll leave it as this probably unpopular answer:

For those that don't see a problem with this, better not see a problem with it saying "For both Allah and country"

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jan 26 at 2015 11:36 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:36:41 -0500

I'll fight for my president, my country and its citizens, but I'm not fighting for someones Deity. I personally could careless in that it doesn't offend me. I do think its wrong, there are a lot of non Christians in this country and in the military.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 1:51 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:51:22 -0500

What about my right to say that I am on a Mission for God and Country? It offends me that I cannot display my faith.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 5:16 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:16:21 -0500

I think this was an awesome poster. Also, I want a copy.

Response by Lt Col Fred Marheine, PMP made Jan 26 at 2015 7:14 PM

Lt Col Fred Marheine, PMP — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:14:51 -0500

Greetings All - Day 3 as a member of Rally Point and my first post.

As I read through this thread, I was struck by a number of assertions regarding the origin of our Country that I believe are simply wrong. To argue that our Country was not founded on a Judeo-Christian moral code is simply not consistent with historical fact. Several brief quotes to illustrate:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." -- Declaration of Independence

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence (sic), promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America." -- Preamble to the Constitution

"I regard it [the Constitution] as the work of the purest patriots and wisest statesmen that ever existed, aided by the smiles of a benignant [gracious] Providence...; it almost appears a Divine interposition in our behalf." -- Daniel Webster

We can certainly debate the merits of putting such a message on a recruiting poster in 2015, but arguing that our founding was devoid of any religious basis and we should therefore never reference God is simply not accurate. Arguing that our country and our citizenry have moved away from the Judeo-Christian moral code on which our country was founded and that it is therefore inappropriate to reference such a code is, I fear, entirely accurate...

And so to the debate on whether the poster is appropriate. I find merit in several responses on both sides of the question - which I think is the clearest indicator that the poster is inappropriate. Our country faces an existential threat to our way of life in the form of radical Islamic terrorism - our only hope is to unify against it to root it out and destroy it (using both kinetic and non-kinetic means) where ever it may reside. To be explicit, I mean this in the broadest possible sense with a determined focus on those recruiting and yes raising the next generation of militants. A call to "God and Country" is not unifying in today's America - a condition I personally find disheartening in the extreme - and is therefore counterproductive, especially if it has the opposite effect of sowing discord.

I don't have any suggestions on what would be a unifying call to arms...and I'm certainly not naive enough to believe we have the national will to issue that call even if we could figure out what message to send. All in all, a pretty depressing first post.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 8:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:07:39 -0500

Interesting. The US Army Chaplaincy motto is: Pro Deo Et Patria. The Chaplaincy celebrates its birthday July 29,
1775. That predates the US Navy, USMC, and of course the Air Force. Not to mention other Army branches like the Cavalry and Field Artillery. There are US Army Chaplains in Special Forces, Ranger, and Airborne units, etc, etc, etc. My other thought is some people are offended that we even have a military. Do we stop recruiting all together or do away with the military because of offense? I hope not.

Response by SFC Gary Wingo made Jan 26 at 2015 8:53 PM

SFC Gary Wingo — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:53:46 -0500

I fought for God and Country what did u fight for

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 26 at 2015 9:02 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:02:55 -0500

I grew up in a time when it was every Americans feeling to be proud to be American, taking a jab at her was like taking a jab at your mom. Nowadays this is not so, modern politically correct weirdos run rampant in all forms of media and government issues right down to the way we wipe our back sides. If people have so many issues with all this then why the hell are they here???? this is my country and my forefathers country.... not a cess pool of fools trying to reform and fix something that isnt broken.I feel offended because Spanish is being shoved down our throats more and more every day, will it go away...hell no...Im offended by jobs being taken by illegal immigrants...will that change...no...so why should a way of life thats been intact for almost 300 years be told it needs to change to suit others?????

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 9:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:52:32 -0500

“In God we Trust"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 12:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:19:56 -0500

Clearly inappropriate, however I'm not offended. How can anyone handle being offended over every little thing?

If the goal of a recruiting poster is to convince a sector of the American public that they don't want anything to do with the military, then this poster is quite successful.

It's nothing more than a bad idea that needs to be fixed.

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Jan 27 at 2015 1:18 PM

MSgt Keith Hebert — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:18:44 -0500

You bunch politically correct wusses.
Look even our constitution and bill of rights tells us that these are God given rights.
And to compare this country to a organization that kills beheads steals rapes extort money kidnaps,etc. then you are the one that needs help.
So you do not like the sign so what. Be an adult and do not look at it and if your disagreement is that servers the do not join or patronage that organization. HELLO THAT ISBEHAT ADULTS DO, and if you are in the service and disagree that severely then get the hell out. Because face it or not the majority of the military and civilian population believe in Gid. Get over it

Response by SFC Jason Porter made Jan 27 at 2015 2:13 PM

SFC Jason Porter — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:13:50 -0500

It is for God and country. What's the problem with it?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 10:41 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:41:26 -0500

If a man believes in nothing, What's worth fighting for?
*ThisWellDefend*

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 1:02 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 01:02:59 -0500

I'm a Christian, and I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and of course there's freedom of religion.....

I guess I've got mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I think they should be allowed to put a religious reference on a poster, but on the other hand it's a poster that sort of ties into the Army as a whole (I don't know to phrase what I'm thinking here, so forgive me if that sounds confusing).

I feel like perhaps this poster is not necessarily the smartest thing in the world, since a lot of people aren't religious (which, again, is totally fine as we are all entitled to our own beliefs). However I also don't think it's anything to really be worked up over. It's just a poster for one, and two: if you don't believe in God then that's your right, but it doesn't change the fact that I do.

Response by CPT Jonathan Wickham made Jan 28 at 2015 1:07 AM

CPT Jonathan Wickham — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 01:07:51 -0500

Our original National Motto was OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY, but was shortened to IN GOD WE TRUST. The poster looks like it reflects the first version of our motto.

Why does the Army not have freedom of speech in that town?

Response by SFC Richard M. made Jan 28 at 2015 6:56 AM

SFC Richard M. — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 06:56:41 -0500

Has anyone brought up the fact that the sign was altered by this specific recruiting station and was unauthorized?

I personally don't have an issue with it, but it's not appropriate. There are too many good Soldiers who either don't believe in God, or believe in a different form of deity. I am a Christian man, which is why this doesn't bother me, but if you allow this without protest, you must offer the same for Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, and all the rest.

Tell me how good that would go over

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 7:54 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:54:55 -0500

Can we truly separate God and country? "The earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof". My job in the Army is a gift/favor from God, and I can't say that I will take the blessing and resent the blesser who is God. Every day the sovereign God allows me to breath and to do my job is a blessing, and I give Him glory for that. If we have to exclude the Living God, then we will have to exclude all biblical principles that inspired the choice of the armed forces values as of loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity and personal courage.
Now, God is not a dictator, and He leaves us with the freedom to choose what we stand for. I stand for God and a country without being a fanatic or extremist. I don't need to worship the sun and call anybody else that doesn't believe what I believe an infidel. Without trying to preach or something like that, here is the truth in regards to "God and country":
No king is saved by the multitude of an army; A mighty man is not delivered by great strength. A horse is a vain hope for safety; Neither shall it deliver any by its great strength. (‭Psalms‬ ‭33‬:‭16-17‬ NKJV)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 9:13 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:13:16 -0500

Lots of discussion going several different ways on this...this is definitely on one of those issues where there is a "correct" answer that it immediately followed by a "however," so here we go...As others have already stated, our government is not allowed to endorse religion (despite all the evidence to the contrary, i.e. using bibles in court rooms, placing "God" on our currency, placing "God" in our national pledge). So the "correct" answer is No, the US Army can not use "God" in advertising because it gives the PERCEPTION of government endorsement of religion. However, as Roman Catholic and follower of Jesus Christ, I can see only positives from showing potential recruits that it's ok to believe in God and to serve your country. A common saying in the combat theater is "There are no atheists is a foxhole" (not saying anything is wrong with being an atheist). But there is a proven track record that shows people raised with a foundation of good moral values make better Soldiers. These values can be strengthen by a life led by following the beliefs of a higher power that asks us to do the right thing and be kind to our fellow man.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 9:49 AM

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:49:35 -0500

There is a separation of church and state for a reason. We keep the military out of the church; keep the church out of the military.

I by no means am saying anything about getting rid of Chaplins or not allowing service members to believe in gods. Everyone has imaginary friends at some point in their lives.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 1:03 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:03:30 -0500

Personally, I hold no religious beliefs, mostly due to my past turning me away from the idea. However, I'm not here to start a discussion in that topic. Regarding this poster, I don't really see what's so wrong about it. The Army is all about targeting whoever they can in the attempt to recruit them into the forces.

It's going to be catchy for some, and a turn off for others, but isn't any message going to do that? The saying goes that you can't please everyone at the same time. The only thing that stood out to me was the ridiculous amount of insignia on his shoulder. If the poster connects to the right crowd, then so be it, it did it's job.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 1:45 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:45:13 -0500

If people connipt over a tangential, casual bit of piety in a poster, can we really call them mentally competent for the stress of, oh, Basic Training?

(Not even battle. Boot Camp!)

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 1:48 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:48:28 -0500

Although the poster reflects my beliefs, voting with that button would infer that I also believe it is appropriate for a recruiting poster. It is not appropriate, because as soon as its acceptable, it also has to be acceptable for a muslim or any other minority religion to have a similar poster advocating its beliefs. I'm sure that most people that think the poster is appropriate would not be thrilled, especially in today's climate, if the Army equally advocated an islamic, wicken, or other god in its recruiting materials.

Response by A1C Hillary Matchen made Jan 28 at 2015 2:38 PM

A1C Hillary Matchen — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 14:38:20 -0500

It is a violation of separation between church and state. The military enlistment oath states that you will support and uphold the constitution. For that reason and for religious reasons I find this sign offensive: due to it violating the oath I took to the military and because I did not join the Christian Air Corps.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 3:01 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:01:04 -0500

I really don't see how you'd get offended. I understand that there are many other religions in America now but really? You're butthurt cause it doesn't reflect who you believe in?? Come on!? You still say the soldiers creed with GOD in it. You still say the pledge of allegiance with GOD in it. But you offended cause it does say your religion

Response by SPC John Decker made Jan 28 at 2015 3:52 PM

SPC John Decker — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:52:16 -0500

The word GOD is on our money. In my opinion, the word god is generic title. Various religions use different names to describe their god. Again, in my opinion, the only people who have any right to be offended are atheists. Then again how many REAL atheists are in or would join the military?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 3:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:54:26 -0500

While i acknowledge that some people might be offended i dont really give a shit. We kill bad guys its that simple whatever i can do to strike fear into my enemyies heart is a good thing includeing potraying myself as a crusader for god. If that notion give my boys some extra courage and makes our enemies fearful of our resolve then fuck whoevers offended stop makeing us weaker and help me kill bad guys

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 8:34 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:34:14 -0500

Hey I've got a new idea, maybe we can spread it around... A "seperation" .... of "church".... and "state".... what do you think?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 8:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:43:12 -0500

to me its odd that something like that offends so many its just a phrase some people believe and some don't thats it. seems like everyone is entitled to be offended these days

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 9:03 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:03:10 -0500

What interests me is people say that the opposing side should get over it....

Yet, if we take a look at the Florida school example, not everyone is actually happy when all religions actually get involved. (I.e. Satanic coloring books to be distributed along with Christian pamphlets. )

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 11:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:05:43 -0500

I am not not going to write a thesis on civil liberties and the monopolization by the US government on a singular religion, so...here's a picture of a lamb :)

My choice of cuddly little animal is intentional. But ain't it cute?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 1:18 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:18:15 -0500

I remember every time I take my oath of office, I say "so help me god," how is this different. And it doesn't say which god, just god.

I think sometime people complain just to compain. In this instance, it wa probaby by someone who isn't / wasn't going to join anyway and their life was not hampered by it, so why say anything. But they did and here we are!

Response by Sgt Michael Selbach made Jan 29 at 2015 1:33 AM

Sgt Michael Selbach — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 01:33:46 -0500

I once lost a tooth because I told someone i didn't believe in god. he said I wasn't a marine and all who believe should kill me. Should that be how the service is? No one in command would go one way or the other. how should we deal with that?

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Jan 29 at 2015 2:21 AM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:21:29 -0500

If it offends you, walk past and ignore...

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jan 29 at 2015 2:44 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:44:11 -0500

Our nation was founded, built, and defended by Men on a mission for God and country. Nobody specifies which God. If atheists are offended by this concept so what? They have no moral foundation of good and evil to stand on with their complaint unless they use the precepts established by multiple religious faiths......

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 5:53 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:53:17 -0500

Here is my issue, lets say some are offended by it, what about the rights of the people who are not offended by it? Do we just railroad them in order to keep the peace? where do you draw the line in the sand and say not on my watch?

Response by CPO Ed Ball made Jan 29 at 2015 7:49 AM

CPO Ed Ball — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:49:58 -0500

The thoughts we think and the actions we do are mainly concerned with other people. We are living in families, or we are related as employer and employed, or we are thrown together by the hundred necessities of life; in all these connections we are to be guided by the spirit which prompted Christ to become incarnate. Our chance of doing good in the world depends upon this. Our review of life at the close will be satisfactory or the reverse in proportion as we have or have not been in fact animated by the spirit of the Incarnation. We must learn to bear one another’s burdens, and the Incarnation shows us that we can do so only in so far as we identify ourselves with others and live for them. Christ helped us by coming down to our condition and living our life. ~ Dr. Robert Hawker (1753-1827) commentary on John ch 1.

Response by SA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 9:54 AM

SA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:54:43 -0500

I'd rather not put God in the equation

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 10:15 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:15:45 -0500

God, not any particular god but the word God. If you are offended by this then you are just a troll.

Response by SPC Michael Frugoli made Jan 29 at 2015 10:42 AM

SPC Michael Frugoli — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:42:21 -0500

I did not do this for God. I did this for my country. I'm not offended. But other religions might be. Poster should not have been up. But it is so. Yep!

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 12:21 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:21:36 -0500

I think it's inappropriate. The message we are sending is that our soldiers are religious warriors...fighting for God and country. So, if you are an atheist, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, then we don't need you in our Army, because we're fighting for OUR God, not your heathen beliefs.

Completely unacceptable in 2015 in an organization dedicated to upholding the constitution, which explicitly states that all people have the freedom to choose any religion, or none.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jan 29 at 2015 1:29 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:29:50 -0500

While the poster reflects my beliefs, it's something I keep separate from the battlefield.

I didn't join the military so I could fight crusades against dictators and Muslim hordes, or to spread Christianity around the world (by force). The military is not the place for that. I joined out of a sense of patriotic duty and service to my country. It's our politicians' duty to employ our military as an instrument of foreign policy when diplomacy fails, and our job as military professionals to be proficient and skilled in the art of warfighting so that we can go in and achieve victory as expeditiously and efficiently as possible.

Winning the peace is the military's job. Keeping the peace requires diplomatic solutions.

As a Christian millitary officer, my best witness is to be the most competent and professional officer I can be. One's conduct and actions speak louder than their words.

Response by SPC Michael Viola made Jan 29 at 2015 2:08 PM

SPC Michael Viola — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:08:41 -0500

Congress needs to adult right before we have signs like that. That is a powerful thing to say. Our government in no way reflects what God wants us to be. Some may be for God and country....but I'm going to say that is false advertisement.

Response by SPC Mitchel Walker made Jan 29 at 2015 5:28 PM

SPC Mitchel Walker — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:28:38 -0500

I was leaning toward choosing option 3 on this poll. Because it is a recruiting poster, you probably should avoid using slogans that would turn people away, unless you're trying to turn those people away, which is clearly not the case here.

Response by SPC Mitchel Walker made Jan 29 at 2015 5:33 PM

SPC Mitchel Walker — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:33:53 -0500

Some interesting results, but a fairly small poll. I wonder how it would change with a larger audience.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 5:42 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:42:03 -0500

Our money reads "In God We Trust".
I don't see people getting upset about the cash in their wallets.
If God is ok on your money, then God is definitely ok on a recruiting poster.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 9:49 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:49:14 -0500

I would bet this was at a Chaplain recruiters recruiting office, ..........so how could anyone find that offensive?

Response by PO3 Thomas Gregory made Jan 29 at 2015 11:01 PM

PO3 Thomas Gregory — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 23:01:03 -0500

This country was founded on Freedom of religion but it seems more and more there is no freedom in the military or less and less in day to day life

Response by CPL Joshua Wood made Jan 30 at 2015 12:26 AM

CPL Joshua Wood — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:26:33 -0500

Im sure someone mentioned this but isn't that a "Become a army Chaplin" poster? Im atheist and that is not at all offensive to me. So many on both sides are so sensitive its sickening. People need to grow up and treat each other with respect. I won't shove mine in your face so don't shove yours.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Jan 30 at 2015 6:07 AM

Capt Walter Miller — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:07:35 -0500

For all the recruiting poster says, the god could be Allah.

Walt

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Jan 30 at 2015 7:35 AM

Capt Walter Miller — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:35:38 -0500

Can't we just discount this story completely since it appeared on LinkedIn?

Walt

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 9:48 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:48:08 -0500

I think people are looking too much into this sign. Whether you believe in God or not, the point that the sign is making is that being part of the Army is being a part of something bigger than yourself. For some people that may be serving "GOD", for some it may be serving Country. And for some it may be serving their buddy to the left and to the right. I also think it's ridiculous that everyone assumes that the phrase "God and Country" is refering to Christianity's definition of God. There are lots of interpretations on God, and the sign does not specify or define God. Basically someone wanted to be offended and pitched a fit to try and make a big deal out of something that, in the grand scheme of things, doesn't mean a whole lot, and it shouldn't be getting the attention it is.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 10:09 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:09:10 -0500

I don't agree with this poster. I can't recall seeing it really. I am more of a Deist than anything else. I don't fight for God. I fight for freedom. We are a Nation that started for Freedom. That is how it has to stay. If we favor a particular sect we will be facing an ideological battle more than a war to liberate those who are oppressed. That is what SF do. I don't think I went to Iraq to fight against Saddam and later AQI for God. I went to kill those that they thought they were fighting for their God. It is a dangerous scope that we don't need to go down.

That is great that you are strong in your faith. But that is your faith. If a unit had a commander that was Islamic and said we are going to fight for Allah I am sure everyone would have an issue with that. Our faith is that ours. It can support us but invoking God in a fight is really not what is needed.

If you think the one posted in the discussion is ok and think this copy that I am posting is not ok then you may have to rethink you perspective on the role of the military.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 12:45 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:45:17 -0500

God is great, beer is good... And people are crazy!

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jan 30 at 2015 1:54 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:54:31 -0500

This phrase used to be used quite a bit years ago by a certain US intelligence agency. Not all of their members were religious but it was still very American. I don't see too much of an issue with it personally but do have to say others will be offended by this. It may even drive some away thinking they will be religiously indoctrinated. Why not use the SF motto, "To Free the Oppressed"? I think that would be better recruitment tool across the multitude of belief systems common today.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 2:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:32:12 -0500

The problem with fighting for a matter of faith is that it does not lend itself to self examination. If you are fighting for 'God' then it becomes ease to see the other side as 'demons' as opposed to other human beings. In this way it is easy to become the demon you are fighting. Yes that is irony. We are possessed of too much destructive power to conduct operations without review and self examination.

In my opinion I do not fully trust 'Warriors for God', I prefer cold skilled professionals that execute the national policy of the United States. This means at times the cold blooded murder of our enemies but also the creative solution to create allies. It is difficult to sit and drink tea with a demon, but easy to share a meal with a human with different beliefs and background.

The United States Army should be in the business of winning wars, and that means more than just high body counts.

Response by LTJG Robert M. made Jan 30 at 2015 4:01 PM

LTJG Robert M. — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:01:55 -0500

It is sad to see how far America has fallen! We went from a land of equal rights for all and a God foundation to where we now cater to the special rights of the vocal few without God as a focus, for fear of being labeled as discriminatory or racist.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Jan 30 at 2015 4:40 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:40:12 -0500

I cannot answer with any of the choices, I simply acknowledge its existence and go about my way. HOW a sign can insult someone is a personal "challenge" to put it nicely.

Our country is slowly falling into the "I am entitled" and "I want mine" generation, this comes, in my opinion, from telling our kids they are always right, everyone wins and through parents changing grades through complaining and basically getting anything they want, to name a few.

This sign is not a person, it does not speak, it does not hurt anyone, neither does it have an opinion, it is an innate object.

Anyone who claims this is an infringement of their civil or constitutional rights should take a moment and see they are abusing those words, to stroke their own ego and the "I'm entitled" attitude. "I dont like it" "I dont think it should be there" "I am offended" "I, me, mine!", it is sickening.

The nation was based on a "we" principal as in "We the people". Live and let live people, and quit wasting our countries time with such meaningless matters. (collectively speaking, not aimed at the author of this article)

Do what you want as long as you do not hurt anyone monetarily, physically or mentally and I have no problems with you.

Go for it,
Steven

Response by SSgt Jacob Lenfestey made Jan 30 at 2015 4:45 PM

SSgt Jacob Lenfestey — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:45:54 -0500

I feel like this alienates personnel from other faiths which isn't okay. We are not a religion-based military and I don't believe we should spread propaganda that makes us seem like one. There are plenty of personnel in the forces who aren't Christian or Catholic.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 5:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:23:42 -0500

This doesn't offend me at all, everyone has their principle to live too! Too each his or her own I say. Everyone is so easily offended nowadays and we tend to lean towards those that are offended more often. They can run a monthly thing for Christians, Atheists or whatever and than we can really see the offenders. The way I see it, Opinions are like Assholes, everyone has one!

Response by SPC Joe Boots made Jan 30 at 2015 6:12 PM

SPC Joe Boots — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:12:04 -0500

inappropriate because i didnt sign up to fight for god or any christian viewpoints. but the people we are sent to fight DID sign up to set up those IEDs to kill christians, because we are christians, because they are muslim extremists and thats what RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS are capable of... that is NOT the American way.

Response by SGT Omar Edwards made Jan 30 at 2015 8:45 PM

SGT Omar Edwards — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:45:04 -0500

In GOD we trust. If anyone is offended by it. They are more than welcome not to join, or even leave the land that was based upon this slogan. Remember some of the people that have die defending this slogan, did not come here on there own accord. If you chose to come to America, chose to fight for America. Then this is what you are fighting for. It is time to stop changing America for the people that give less than a damn about her. There are somethings that mark us in negative light, but then again, that's what make us great. Those that come here of there own free will, need to accept us as we are. God bless the United States of America. God be with all those who have come before us, and may God bless those that come after. It's funny that they cry about our God loving state, but I bet they spend our God loving money.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 9:53 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:53:27 -0500

This country was founded on that belief "GOD and Country". Christian values are what our laws are based on. If it offends anybody with all do respect they can get out. Nobody is forcing anybody to believe in anything. You are free to be an atheist if you'd like, but our traditions and values should be respected. For crying out loud people the word God is written on our dollar bill and nobody gets offended when they receive it. It is totally approriate

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 10:27 PM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 22:27:31 -0500

I'm a chaplain. The Chaplain Corps motto is, "Pro Deo et Patria." For God and Country.

I'll be honest, this sign doesn't bother me a bit...although it may work better at a chaplain recruiter office.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 11:00 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:00:00 -0500

Capt Richard I P. and other Marines what are your thoughts? Is it not God Corps Country? So why can the Army not do it? It is not imposing others to be religious or to believe in a god.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Jan 30 at 2015 11:19 PM

SSG Leonard Johnson — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:19:12 -0500

Well....I'm like this brother man...... If this offends anyone one....hehehe....going to laugh at that person and call them pussified PC bastard....hahhaha good gosh....I don't go ape s__t when I see a atheist poster. an atheist symbol on a base, whatever. Dudes.....we all need to take a shot of Man the F Up/ and Lady the F up. cowboy/cowgirl up..

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 31 at 2015 12:05 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:05:19 -0500

"If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines."

Semper Fi, Marines. We should have included Heaven in our hymn as well.

Response by SGT Kevin McCourt made Jan 31 at 2015 6:47 AM

SGT Kevin McCourt — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:47:17 -0500

I have many thoughts on things that could have been done better since 9/11. I think we should have sold war bonds, just as they had during WW1, WW2. But getting onto the subject at hand.

I don't find it offensive, it just sounds so British. We have over 200 years of Motto's to thumb through. Freedom, family tradition and the flag are all I ever needed.

Response by SSG Gerhard S. made Jan 31 at 2015 10:11 AM

SSG Gerhard S. — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:11:26 -0500

I'll go out on a limb here and use the word "ALL" Governments and their Military's have been invoking the support of one god, or another since there have been governments and militarys'. Who, after all, would go to risk dying for their country if THEIR god were NOT for their cause?

Those who take offense, CHOOSE to be offended. They could just as easily CHOOSE to NOT be offended. The fact that they want to make THEIR choices apply to the rest of us should tell us something about those individuals and groups.

Response by CW3 Eddy Vleugels made Jan 31 at 2015 10:25 AM

CW3 Eddy Vleugels — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:25:27 -0500

I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this subject, but I do feel that religion has no part in any official government activity. I firmly believe in separation of Church and State.

Response by SSG John M. made Jan 31 at 2015 11:53 AM

SSG John M. — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:53:45 -0500

Why does the word God automatically mean Christian God? Their SF it could mean Crom for all I know lol

Response by LCDR Landon Smith made Jan 31 at 2015 12:55 PM

LCDR Landon Smith — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:55:33 -0500

Hello, when you signed up did you not pledge an oath? Our military branches fight to protect our rights and freedoms.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 6:45 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:45:03 -0500

Can we f___ing stop being pansies? (This isn't directed at you SFC Jackson - so please don't take offense) But, I'm offended at the thought of somebody actually being offended by this.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 8:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:51:09 -0500

It's American. If you don't like it. Get out.

Response by SFC Douglas Drinnon made Jan 31 at 2015 11:05 PM

SFC Douglas Drinnon — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:05:26 -0500

It is always GOD 1st. Country 2nd.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 1:00 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 01:00:58 -0500

I don't see why this sign would offend anybody. It is just an advertising strategy to appeal to certain group of people. Sincerely, I don't see why any level headed or intelligent person would get offended by this poster. Again, how is the MRFF representing all the liberals? Using the same logic, is it fair to say that all Christians are KKK members?

Response by SPC Philip Logan made Feb 1 at 2015 11:53 AM

SPC Philip Logan — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 11:53:53 -0500

It does not offend me but seems corny. In this semi-agnostic society the quote "God and Country" seems to be a bit dated. More akin to 1915 than 2015.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 2:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 14:25:32 -0500

I'm personally troubled by this sign given our current climate. In the midst of fighting a war against religious extremists, the absolute worst thing you could do is to confirm the idea that this is a religious war. This is about as bad as Bush Jr. saying, "we're going to conduct a crusade"... The only thing that sign tells me is "Islam is coming! Be a soldier for Christ and kill them all!"

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 5:36 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 17:36:42 -0500

What is more interesting to me is that this article seems to make argument that a liberal organization was "victorious" in preventing a recruiting station from using the word "god".

But they didn't really prevent it. They just reported it to the Accessions Support Brigade(ASB). Wouldn't the culprit be the ASB for making the rule? In any other circumstance wouldn't we just consider this an on-the-spot correction?

This seems like something we do everyday. Enforce the standard and army rules. It just seems like it is an issue because it was "liberals."

Response by SGT John Galbraith made Feb 1 at 2015 7:27 PM

SGT John Galbraith — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:27:32 -0500

From day one we are all told to have thick skin and don't sweat the small stuff. People need to quit crying about what offends them and start taking care of the TRULY offensive things in our country. Starvation, child abuse, the public that thinks that they have the right to destroy property and loot, our embarrassingly low education standards compared to other countries, and the fact that we are viewed outside of our borders as fat America (and rightfully so).

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 11:01 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 23:01:50 -0500

I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible , with Liberty and Justice for ALL

Response by SGT John Bayer made Feb 1 at 2015 11:06 PM

SGT John Bayer — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 23:06:26 -0500

Antitheists are going to complain until all religion is relegated to back rooms and basements. The phrase doesn't bother me.

Response by SFC Chuck Bennett made Feb 2 at 2015 11:08 AM

SFC Chuck Bennett — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 11:08:13 -0500

God and Country is part of who we are how this is offensive I don't understand, if you don't believe than how can someone believing be offensive? God is part of our country's heritage

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 2:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:54:43 -0500

As an atheist, this still doesn't offend me. People join for different reasons; I feel like this is completely justified in terms of recruiting (i.e. appealing to different types of people). I think people need to stop complaining about such trivial things and start focusing on the real issues at hand. People get butt hurt way too easily in society...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 7:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:23:45 -0500

Pro Deo Et Patria!

Army Chaplain Corps is Pro Deo Et Patria (For God and Country).

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 11:40 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:40:44 -0500

If you consider the poster from someone's person perspective/mission, then I don't mind the message. As a whole, that does not reflect our country's mission, but it may be a motivator for some individuals. I have no problem with that. If the job of recruiting is to appeal to these emotions, then it might successfully target this crowd.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 5:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:30:04 -0500

You know a topic of any sort that involves religion in any format is going to bring out the most emotional responses from people as a direct attack on them or what they believe. The removal of this sign while it might have untones that involve religion, but was not the basis for the removal. What everyone needs to understand is that none of us are the US ARMY. We may be part of the Army, but we are not the Army. Because we are not the Army, we do not have the authority to brand the Army, create slogans for or have posters made of. This poster was not created, through Army channels, it was not approved for distribution. It was the work of a local individual, going out and having a poster made, because they thought it would be beneficial to their recruiting mission. Which that action if paid for by the individual is not where the issue is. The issue is that they used registered trademarked logos of an organization, to do so without proper authority to do so. You can not do that. It would be nice if the issue was as simple as just being offensive to some, but its not. The simple act of posting that in front of a Army Recruitng Office opens up a pandora box of possible law suits. That is the world we live in today. That being said, I have read the comments about people being to easily offended or this being a christian nation built on Christian values. I too am a Christian. History shows that many values that America as a country are also very much Christian values does not mean America was built on Christian values. It simply means that the values were similar, just as it also have many similar values to Buddism. The founding fathers, having lived under the oppression of the choice religion of the King of England, were addimate about the seperation on Religion and State. Which was the entire reason for the first Amendment, giving freedom of religion. Since they were going to seperate and pull the church from the state they wanted to insure that the state could not in turn now take control of the church. At the end of the day not all Soldiers believe in God and thats ok. They are still Soldiers, they surve under the same flag for the same reasons and just as honorabily as we do. I find it funny how very un christian like we become, when we choose to defend how christian we are. The bible calls on christians to testify, that one must give of their own feel will their life to god to become a christian. I do not recall it mentioning that we should also legislate or attack those that do not believe as we do, as their was a time Christians were the ones being attacked for being in a country based on Jewish beliefs among others.

Response by SFC John Lee Washington made Feb 5 at 2015 2:15 PM

SFC John Lee Washington — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:15:42 -0500

It requires a special individual to want to serve his country; military or civil service, this requires special approach to marketing if we are to build a strong military and government.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:21 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:21:11 -0500

I'm not offended but I think it's very inappropriate. We don't serve God in war we serve our national interests. And there are many service members (myself included) who don't subscribe to a higher power so it sends the wrong message to them.

Response by Sgt Duquesne High made Feb 5 at 2015 11:24 PM

Sgt Duquesne High — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:24:37 -0500

Bent wrist, weak, liberalism is doomed and out, God , Country , Corps. Always.........

Response by SSG Stephen Arnold made Feb 6 at 2015 11:25 PM

SSG Stephen Arnold — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:25:45 -0500

The poll does not provide a response that I would select.

It seems to me that the majority of the responses thus far and the people complaining about the sign have failed to consider the original purpose of the sign: it is a form of advertising in order to increase sales (recruits). The question that matters in this instance is whether the advertising campaign was successful. I'm no gambler, but I'd put money on the fact that the very people who complained about the sign had NO intention of enlisting.

Frankly I am disgusted with the direction of the country. We have become hypersensitive to the point of becoming contradictory, inefficient, and downright absurd. We do not have a right to not be offended. We do not have a right to demand that everyone agree with us.

I do not ride around town looking for reasons to be offended. I do attempt to be considerate of others and do not intentionally offend them.

People need to put on their big girl panties and grow up.

Response by FN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 11:36 PM

FN Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:36:09 -0500

Yes, it's probably offensive to a few service members, but (if I had to guess) they are few and far between. When they raised their right hand, regardless of religious preference, they knew that the military was slightly favorable of Christianity. Not to mention that the military provides (most) religious services to its members at their request, so there's no prejudice on the organizational level.

You also have to think about the business aspect behind this, if you were building a company and you needed new employees, customers, partners, etc. You're going to target the largest group that's likely to have an interest in your trade.... Right?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2015 12:28 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:28:42 -0500

Ok it seems like ignorance is a common thing that many of us faces. When we mention the word GOD it doesn't make it automatic Christianity. It is a belief or faith that there is something higher upon us. This mean it could be Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc... For the atheist ( and yes I spelled it correctly), a belief there is no higher being exist. The best solution is respect each other. The recruiter using something that catches the majority of the American society. If it offends you then don't sign up. It's like going to McDonald's, they wil do their best to get you buy their product.

Response by Cpl Greg Barnett made Feb 26 at 2015 12:12 AM

Cpl Greg Barnett — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:12:11 -0500

Unconstitutional. Plain and simple.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 22:29:52 -0500

"For God and for Country" is a very integral part of our nation's history and story.

Our oaths of office contain "so help me God" because we as a people are to hold something above even our Constitution in terms of morality.

Humanists argue that mankind can know what is right and ethical without God.... to which I'll ask which humanist stopped human sacrifice practice? Left to themselves, humanity gets all sorts of things wrong, constantly.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 2:10 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:10:26 -0400

Its a perfect recruiting poster it appeals to more than one type of person

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 11:36 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:36:10 -0400

"For God and Country...Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo!" If you think thats offensive you need to renounce your citizenship.

Response by MSG Pat SingR made Apr 16 at 2015 11:11 AM

MSG Pat SingR — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:11:22 -0400

Angry Liberals or atheist nothing but BULLY and COWARD people or cult. They only attack Christian or other vulnerable groups and they know those people will comply with their statement. BUT they don't have the gut to attack extremist Islamic groups especially ISIS which they are worship their Allah (GOD) so tremendously.
I don't believe in GOD, but I do believe what's in your heart and do the right thing and I'll fight and die for the Country & FREEDOM that we're exalt of.
Don't remove the sigh, if it takes a person to believe in GOD and Country to join the military so beat it, at least I know that soldier I fight with have the faith and humanity than the Angry Liberals or atheist that disregard everything that this Country stand for.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 3:19 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 03:19:10 -0400

The poster is inappropriate for a national army (yet, I'm not offended). While I still wouldn't be a fan of it even if it were hanging around a church -- it is the vile history that surrounds the themes "God and country." Little did the world know what Pope Urban II would unleash on the world during his first Call to the Crusades.

The mere mention of the Crusades sets the tone for an "us versus them" (or, Christian versus Muslim) attitude. In all honesty, it is something that BOTH sides need to remove themselves from. Prior to the first Crusades, all Judaic faiths lived in relative harmony.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 17 at 2015 11:50 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:50:05 -0400

Now the question is .. which god?
Judeo / Christian?
Muslim (if different to the above)
Chinese? Shinto? Hindu? Native American? Spiritualism?

If you have a different god is it easier for me to go to war against you?
What if it turns out I have a false god?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 6:59 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:59:04 -0400

We should not bring religion in to stuff like this.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2015 8:55 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:55:53 -0400

It is not appropriate because it sends a number of different messages (both explicitly and implicitly) that are inconsistent with the things that make our country and government great. 1) it suggests that you have to believe in God to be patriotic and serve your country, 2) it has the Ranger tab on it and implies that only those who believe in God can make it through Ranger School, 3) it implies that not-believing in God is antithetical to service, patriotism, and the hard work associated with becoming a Ranger. You might say I'm reading too much into this single recruitment phrase, but I promise you others are not. There is a wealth of cognitive/behavioral psychological literature that supports this idea that people don't always just read things and interpret their environment at the surface level.

We are not a theocratic country and messages like this slowly inch us towards theocracy in my opinion. We need to make recruiting messages concise, clear and approachable. Turning off non-traditionally religious individuals, Atheists, people who identify as spiritual, Agnostics, Humanists, etc. with these messages is not just inconsistent with our freedom to be or not to be religious, believe or not believe, but it's a poor recruiting strategy as the religious and cultural landscape of the country is changing. For the first time in the history of the US, Protestant Chrsitians are not the majority in the country. "Religious-nones" are on the rise as are other smaller groups (e.g., Atheists, Agnostics, etc), see http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/ so we can't push them away. I could go on, but hopefully I've made a good point. Good question SFC Jackson!

“Nones” on the Rise

The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public – and a third of adults under 30 – are religiously unaffiliated today, the highest percentages ever in Pew Research Center polling.

Response by SSG Joseph E. Breault, Jr. made Apr 23 at 2015 12:52 PM

SSG Joseph E. Breault, Jr. — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:52:38 -0400

I am disgusted that that PCpolice keep trying to change are customs , heritage, and traditions.

Response by SSG Joseph E. Breault, Jr. made Apr 23 at 2015 1:00 PM

SSG Joseph E. Breault, Jr. — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:00:32 -0400

I am disgusted that that special interests groups, keep trying to change customs, heritage, and traditions. I served this country and God.

Response by LCDR Halinganji Kanani made Apr 23 at 2015 6:17 PM

LCDR Halinganji Kanani — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:17:44 -0400

Equating God and Country is wrong.
Not everyone believes in God, but even if you do, the government has no right to say a mission they give to service members is a mission from God.

Response by SPC Freedom VanPelt made Jul 9 at 2015 7:43 PM

SPC Freedom VanPelt — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:43:28 -0400

I don't think the military should be sponsored by religion

Response by CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling made Jul 9 at 2015 7:48 PM

CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:48:15 -0400

I do not understand what religion has to do with military service. I do not see any value added to the effort.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Aug 23 at 2015 11:35 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 23:35:24 -0400

Of coursem

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Dec 9 at 2015 3:53 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Wed, 09 Dec 2015 15:53:28 -0500

Our nation was built on the Judeo-Christian belief of God and like the poster says we are on a mission for both God and Country. For we are one nation under God and not a nation under Allah , Buddha or whoever.

Response by Pat McCracken made Oct 2 at 2016 10:05 PM

Pat McCracken — Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:05:48 -0400

Our country was built on God and Country.

Response by PO1 Steven Kuhn made Nov 7 at 2016 9:22 AM

PO1 Steven Kuhn — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:22:31 -0500

That poster reflects my beliefs

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2016 6:40 PM

1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:40:21 -0500

I don't find anything wrong with the poster, especially because the official motto of our country is "In God We Trust." I think also this is a stark rallying cry against those radical extremists who would claim Islam as justification for their horrific acts (READ: They claim they fight in the name of Islam, but the majority of Islam following individuals are peaceful followers).

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 7 at 2016 8:24 PM

SPC Phil Norton — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:24:05 -0500

It's perfect the same people who wanted this gone have no problem getting and spending money that says in God we trust

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Nov 30 at 2016 5:02 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:02:37 -0500

I was just mentioned in this discussion on November 30, 2016 and realized it was posted before I joined RallyPoint. Thanks for posting an interesting question SFC Josh Jackson.
I selected "That poster reflects my beliefs" because it does indeed reflect my beliefs. However, I do not think the message consistently matches the goals and objectives of the US Army as an organization.
To be honest I think a modified version of the message would be a better slogan that most of the other recent Army slogans. "On a mission for my country - Home of the the free and the brave" might be a long but great Army slogan.
Thanks for drawing my attention to the discussion SMSgt Minister Gerald A. "Doc" Thomas.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Dec 1 at 2016 6:28 AM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 06:28:03 -0500

SFC Josh Jackson It shouldn't have been removed. To me this is what we served for and it will always be an important part of our oath! Just my opinion!

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Dec 1 at 2016 7:27 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 07:27:22 -0500

Those that are offended by this recruiting poster please stand in from of the enemy(see who saves your hindend).

Response by Sgt John Steinmeier made Dec 1 at 2016 8:42 AM

Sgt John Steinmeier — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 08:42:16 -0500

It looks like a marketing poster aimed at a segment of the population to me, that's about it.

Response by SSG Drew Cook made Dec 1 at 2016 10:56 AM

SSG Drew Cook — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:56:21 -0500

Of course we'd be an Army of fairy tales. What the hell else would it be? This is America!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2016 2:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:29:22 -0500

I'm not offended, but it is inappropriate

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Dec 1 at 2016 3:21 PM

MSG Dan Castaneda — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:21:09 -0500

For God and Country!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 8:01 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:01:58 -0500

I'm not offended, but it is completely inappropriate.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jun 29 at 2017 4:12 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:12:20 -0400

Offensive, i don't think so ! Even the American Legion motto is "For God and Country" Who would be offended, someone that believes in nothing at all ? All the concern about offending some small group is not warranted and pretty much something I'm getting pretty sick of !

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Jun 30 at 2017 1:40 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:40:26 -0400

YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO HEAR MY 2 CENTS BUT HERE I GO: GOD is the reason we have WAR and reason people die. Its part of Regeneration and Evolution. He is our creator and our destroyer. If you think you on mission for GOD,you should of been Missionary and not join the ARMY. We fight for our rights and our country. GOD is always going to be there if we are here or if we are gone.