GOOD IDEA? Veterans ID Cards could replace DD-214. Bill Passes House & Senate

SGM Matthew Quick — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:13:10 -0400

Share your thoughts on a Veterans ID Card replacing the DD Form 214.

On Monday, the U.S. Senate amended and passed with unanimous consent a bill from a Florida congressman which ensures every veteran receives an ID card from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs without burdening taxpayers. The House passed the bill last month with 402 representatives backing it and no votes cast against it.

U.S. Rep. Vern Buchanan, R-Fla., introduced the Veterans ID Card Act earlier this year. Buchanan’s bill would ensure all veterans receive ID cards from the VA instead of just those who served 20 years in the armed forces or are seeking medical treatment for service-related wounds.

In pushing his bill in recent months, Buchanan has noted veterans are forced to carry DD-214 paperwork, which contains sensitive information including Social Security numbers, and an ID card would be more convenient and would do a better job of keeping their personal information secure.

“A simple, standardized ID card will make life easier for our veterans and serve as a reminder that our brave service men and women deserve all the respect a grateful nation can offer," Buchanan said on Tuesday.

Buchanan insisted his bill was budget neutral since veterans who opted for the ID card would have a small fee which the VA secretary would examine every five years.

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/buchanans-bill-replace-dd-214-veterans-id-card-passes-senate-without-opposition

Buchanan's Bill to Replace DD-214 With Veterans ID Card Passes Senate Without Opposition

On Monday, the U.S. Senate amended and passed with unanimous consent a bill from a Florida congressman which ensures every veteran receives an ID card from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs without burdening taxpayers. The House passed the bill last month with 402 representatives backing it and no votes cast against it.

Response by SSG Willis Baker made Jul 6 at 2015 6:26 PM

SSG Willis Baker — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:26:36 -0400

This sounds good for those who are not retired. Instead of creating a whole new card, why not issue a regular VA Card that doesn't say Service Connected? This would save money because the cards are already in the system.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 6:27 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:27:03 -0400

I like it. I'm a fan. Congress is getting this one right!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 6:29 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:29:09 -0400

Overall I think that it is a great idea. I am all for making things easier to track and keeping records digital.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Jul 6 at 2015 6:34 PM

LTC Yinon Weiss — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:34:42 -0400

This would be great. It would make military verification easier, including on RallyPoint for our veterans.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 6 at 2015 6:43 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:43:36 -0400

ok in addition to, BUT NOT IN LEIU OF

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Jul 6 at 2015 6:45 PM

SGT Forrest Stewart — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:45:00 -0400

I like the idea!

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jul 6 at 2015 6:45 PM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:45:19 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick I think it a great idea. I'm wondering what type of information will have to be supplied to get one for Korean and Vietnam Veterans? It really didn't say anything about how to apply for it. I would like to get my Dad one of these.

Response by SSgt Donnavon Smith made Jul 6 at 2015 6:50 PM

SSgt Donnavon Smith — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:50:00 -0400

While I think it is a good idea, I cannot remember that last time I needed to prove that I was a veteran to anyone. With the exception of getting a discount, I cannot imagine how often I would use it.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 6 at 2015 6:57 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:57:13 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick, this may be a good idea especially (1) if veterans and their families are allowed to opt in or opt out; (2) all veterans who are also retired military will be opted out unless they choose to opt in; (3) all veterans who are still on duty [Active, National Guard or Reserve) and have current cards are opted out until they retire or leave the service; and (4) all veterans who already have VA Disabled Veterans ID cards are excluded.
They better be sure they screen out all dead veterans and do not upset grieving family members!
Background: I have 3 DD 214, I imagine they could digitize all the information from DD 214's, at taxpayer expense, so that it could be included on an embedded chip similar to CAC cards. Like may veterans that would mean I have retired ID card from DoD, a Disabled ID Card from Department of Veterans Affairs and now a ID Card from Department of Veterans Affairs.
Considering there are tens of millions of Veterans in this country and VA has been making herculean efforts to get disabled veterans to register for MyHealtheVet access.
If this is not done well [remember affordable care act website roll-out which was as a high a priority as this nation has had] it will alienate those it should be trying to help - those who should be on suicide watch lists, the homeless who will be difficult to track down, etc.
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Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Jul 6 at 2015 7:10 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:10:37 -0400

Why in the world would we need the government to issue us an ID card to identify us as veterans? What is the purpose? If someone says "hey, you are stealing valor", you can whip out the ID card and say "no I am not". Really? How long do you think it will take to have knock offs of those on the internet for sale?

I have never needed to prove I was a veteran to anyone except an employer, once in 30 years. Another waste of money, another agency or sub agency, more government employees etc.

If you really want one we could have the states add it to the Driver's License process. Put a V on it for veteran and no extra card to carry or lose, no need for more federal employees etc.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jul 6 at 2015 7:12 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:12:21 -0400

This sounds like a great idea, I carry a digital copy of my 214 on my mobile device, but this sounds better.

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made Jul 6 at 2015 7:46 PM

MAJ Keira Brennan — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:46:07 -0400

VA already issues an ID card to veterans for identification for admin/med services. Why appropriate more $$$ for something out there?

Response by MSgt Erik Copp made Jul 6 at 2015 7:53 PM

MSgt Erik Copp — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:53:03 -0400

The first question that comes to mind is access to military installations. Currently if you do not retire, just get out, then you do not have base access. That is unless you get a base job. So, will the rule stay the same or will any veteran, retired or not have access? If the rule doesn't change, how will they differentiate? Colors? A simple X in a box?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 7:53 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:53:50 -0400

Took them long enough. Paper should become obsolete real soon. Let's save some trees.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 9:37 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:37:18 -0400

I like it!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 10:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:15:43 -0400

Super idea! As long as it's not a tracking device and doesn't turn into a "Brave New World".

Response by SGT Anthony Rossi made Jul 7 at 2015 1:27 AM

SGT Anthony Rossi — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 01:27:03 -0400

I like it, but I would be even more excited about a Voter ID Card:)

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Jul 7 at 2015 7:41 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:41:18 -0400

As mentioned in other threads, some states are already adding "Veteran" to driver licenses as a way to make vetting easier however, its a honor-based system so there are loop holes. Buchanan's program will ensure that the Veteran has served and is fully Vetted.

The only concern I have is some Veteran who doesn't know what is going on, thinking he/she spotted a "Fake Veteran" because they don't know about the new ID cards. We have seen it happen before, I'm sure we will see it again.

Response by SPC Stephen Riddle made Jul 7 at 2015 9:00 AM

SPC Stephen Riddle — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:00:56 -0400

It sounds as though this card will only replace having to carry a DD Form 214 when going to the VA. I have a VA card because of treatment for my service related disability so I do not know if and why others must bring a DD Form 214 every time is they do not have a VA card. If this will make it easier on all veterans when seeking help at the VA then it sounds like a great idea. I would still want my DD Form 214 in my files and thumb drive back home.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 7 at 2015 9:33 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:33:11 -0400

And where is the space for the school, awards, deployments, etc?

Response by MSgt Lionel (Leo) Rondeau made Jul 7 at 2015 9:43 AM

MSgt Lionel (Leo) Rondeau — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 09:43:40 -0400

I agree that it could be a good idea if implemented properly. LTC Ford posed many great points and I think they are valid. Maintaining the DD-214 can be difficult for many individuals where a simple ID card is much simpler.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 7 at 2015 10:31 AM

PO1 John Miller — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:31:27 -0400

As long as the ID card has a chip or strip on it that contains a digital copy of the DD214 this may be a good idea.

However, when a service member is out processing, they get their DD214 right away since it can be generated locally. If we switch to this ID card, how long would it take for a service member to get that? Hopefully the base ID card offices will have access to this form so that they can also generate them locally and the soon to be discharged veteran will get this ID card immediately.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jul 7 at 2015 10:32 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:32:29 -0400

But will this have all the information on it as our DD214?

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Jul 7 at 2015 10:40 AM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:40:40 -0400

If they do it right, it could be awesome. If they use the cards with the chip similar to the chip on cell phone sim card, then they could link it right to the Military BUPERS. So not only would it then identify the servicemember, but it would also provide easy access to their information should they need it. I am surprised that this passed so easily, it makes sense so why aren't they fighting it.

Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Jul 7 at 2015 10:50 AM

CPO Jon Campbell — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:50:28 -0400

This really would make it easier for reservists. DD214s were not and still may not be issued to reservists for a variety of reasons. Even gray area reservists don't have a DD214 when they retire. Non-military enities simply do not understand that the DD214 is an administrative document that was never intended to be used like it is being used today. On top of that, it is a fragile piece of paper - often onion skin paper for older veterans.

Response by SFC Terry Murphy made Jul 7 at 2015 11:20 AM

SFC Terry Murphy — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:20:49 -0400

Wait, all veterans will have to have an ID card? That sounds almost as racist as requiring ID cards for voting. (Yes, I am being sarcastic)

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 11:24 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:24:12 -0400

Sorry for additional post....but just realized i've been retired for several years now and aside from applying for VA benefits have never been asked for my DD-214 so again i'm failing to see any benefit to this....can someone education me please. The life of retiree is different that that of a veteran and maybe i'm missing a key piece of information.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 11:59 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:59:00 -0400

I think both would be good. You still should have DD214 to have list of awards etc so you have a record of that. I know a few people who got off active duty and lost the certificate for an award but it was on DD214 so they were able to use it for points when they came back in.

Response by Cpl Wesley Nail made Jul 7 at 2015 12:58 PM

Cpl Wesley Nail — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 12:58:27 -0400

I love this idea. Having proof of service right in my wallet is much easier than carrying around a DD214

Response by SPC Andrew Lucas made Jul 7 at 2015 1:46 PM

SPC Andrew Lucas — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:46:35 -0400

How much is it going to cost?

Response by PV2 Robert Bowne made Jul 7 at 2015 1:49 PM

PV2 Robert Bowne — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 13:49:19 -0400

This will Indeed make life alot eaiser for all and gives the Veteran an added sence of security not having to tote their DD form 214

Response by SFC Joseph Bosley made Jul 7 at 2015 2:04 PM

SFC Joseph Bosley — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:04:36 -0400

I'm all for it. It would certainly make it easier for veterans to get anything they need if they can have all the required information in a single easy to access card.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 2:18 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:18:09 -0400

I feel they should Make the VA ID more readily available for all veterans, something like make everyone going through TAPS enroll in the VA to get one VA application only takes a couple of minutes to fill. The new VA cards already have bar codes on them to sign into appointments with and pull information from in the computer, I think it would be a lower cost solution to slightly modify something that already exists.

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Jul 7 at 2015 3:25 PM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:25:08 -0400

I like the idea. Who wants to carry your DD-214 into Great Clips on Veterans Day to get your free haircut or to the multitudes of places that give discounts to us Veterans? I have my old reserve card but lets face facts...those pictures on those sure are bad and OLD for some of us. I have been out since August 1981. I dont look anything like I did then. Oh and BTW our Reserve cards also contain our SSN. Next question is how do us oldies but goodies get our cards??

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jul 7 at 2015 3:29 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:29:14 -0400

Excellent Idea, my DD-214 takes up too much space in my wallet, and I keep forgetting to get it added to my license at renewal time!

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 7 at 2015 4:03 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:03:03 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick, this is my second post.
This card passed unanimously because it will not cost the taxpayer anything. It will be low tech and voluntary. This card is not meant for anybody who already has a military ID card or a VA Disability ID Card. This card is designed to give ID to those veterans who have no form of military or veteran ID. This will help those with no drivers license to have government ID and this will help veterans have proof for those places that provide discounts for veterans.
"Buchanan’s bill would ensure all veterans receive ID cards from the VA instead of just those who served 20 years in the armed forces or are seeking medical treatment for service-related wounds."
"Buchanan insisted his bill was budget neutral since veterans who opted for the ID card would have a small fee which the VA secretary would examine every five years."
SPC Private RallyPoint Member, CW5 Charlie Poulton, GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad, LTC Stephen C., PO2 Mark Saffell, SPC Andrew Lucas, MSG Ramon Hidalgo-Acosta, SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S., MAJ Keira Brennan, CW5 Private RallyPoint Member, CW4 Private RallyPoint Member, SGT Forrest Stewart, SGT Rick Ash, SGT Anthony Rossi, SMSgt Minister Gerald A. Thomas, SPC David Hannaman, SSgt Private RallyPoint Member

Response by PO3 Alan Haynes made Jul 7 at 2015 4:15 PM

PO3 Alan Haynes — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:15:55 -0400

Voter ID Cards should go just as smooth, right?

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 7 at 2015 4:25 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:25:17 -0400

Fantastic idea.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 7 at 2015 4:26 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:26:17 -0400

I am all for it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 4:52 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:52:18 -0400

I feel the biggest thing is not burdening taxpayers with something that could be easily proven for identification. DD-214 does the same thing. Maybe it can help enforce the Stolen Valor Act.

Response by PO1 Sojourner "Chancy" Phillips made Jul 7 at 2015 4:56 PM

PO1 Sojourner "Chancy" Phillips — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:56:55 -0400

Great idea. I really hate having to take my DD214 to anyone to prove that I am a veteran. There is a lot of PII (Personally Identifiable Information) that in the wrong hands can do a lot of damage. Usually all the DD-214 is used for is just to verify that you served in a military branch. All of the other information (which is mostly redacted depending on what you did) is not really important or useful to in most cases. Just in case you are wondering I also feel that the Social Security card should be changed to something like a CAC with every person having a pin and password. Not a piece of paper that is so easily lost or damaged.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 5:30 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:30:27 -0400

It's outstanding.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jul 7 at 2015 7:41 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:41:34 -0400

Sooooo we have to pay for something that reduces their paperwork overhead?
"Buchanan insisted his bill was budget neutral since veterans who opted for the ID card would have a small fee which the VA secretary would examine every five years. - "
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/buchanans-bill-replace-dd-214-veterans-id-card-passes-senate-without-opposition

Buchanan's Bill to Replace DD-214 With Veterans ID Card Passes Senate Without Opposition

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Jul 7 at 2015 9:21 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:21:12 -0400

Interesting. I'm not opposed to it.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels made Jul 7 at 2015 9:24 PM

PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:24:08 -0400

He really makes it sound like veterans are carrying around this document with them all the time. The only time I ever bring my DD-214 out of my personnel filing cabinet is if my employer asks about it. Other than that I never carry it around with me. It seems like this politician is trying to show he supports veterans. I mean, how often does someone really challenge your status as a veteran?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 10:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:07:21 -0400

It sounds like a good idea up front. I've known several older veterans who waited months to get a copy of their DD-214 from the records people. I don't know that a card is less easy to lose than a piece of paper when they probably aren't used that often. I'm sure there are some conspiracy theorists out there who will believe that a chip will make it easier to track us down for some nefarious purpose, but they can probably do that anyway.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jul 7 at 2015 10:49 PM

COL Charles Williams — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:49:43 -0400

Makes sense SGM Matthew Quick .... I did not know veterans, entitled to VA care did not have an idea...

Response by CPT John King made Jul 7 at 2015 11:32 PM

CPT John King — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:32:02 -0400

It appears to be a good idea, and I love it if it will be issued as pictured with Mt. Rushmore -- one of my very favorite places.

Response by SGT David D. made Jul 8 at 2015 1:14 AM

SGT David D. — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 01:14:17 -0400

I think this should have been done decades ago.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 1:38 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 01:38:49 -0400

I have my VA Card!

Response by Sgt Billy Alt made Jul 8 at 2015 2:08 AM

Sgt Billy Alt — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 02:08:34 -0400

It's much easier

Response by MAJ Rick Breneman made Jul 8 at 2015 3:08 AM

MAJ Rick Breneman — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:08:53 -0400

I like it!

Response by MAJ Rick Breneman made Jul 8 at 2015 3:10 AM

MAJ Rick Breneman — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:10:06 -0400

I like it!!

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jul 8 at 2015 5:03 AM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 05:03:10 -0400

Great ideal, I got one and love the discount benefits that come with the card.

Response by SSG Timothy Carr made Jul 8 at 2015 6:25 AM

SSG Timothy Carr — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:25:18 -0400

YES! Save me looking for that 30 yr old piece of paper

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 7:33 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 07:33:42 -0400

Gee. If we can do this maybe we can move on to voter ID....just kidding...every soldier who honorably serves should have an ID; most are subject to recall until age 62 last I read various laws. It would be nice to have a single ID rather than one for VA, one for retired, etc.

Response by SMSgt Bob Swanson made Jul 8 at 2015 7:50 AM

SMSgt Bob Swanson — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 07:50:34 -0400

This would be an outstanding idea if it complimented rather than replaced the DD214. The DD214 is used to verify deployment dates, awards & decs and other information in greater detail than can be placed on an ID card. While it is true that such information could be encoded into a QR, bar code or chip on the card, few places outside the government would have the equipment to read or decipher the encryption quickly.

Response by PO3 Nichalas Enser made Jul 8 at 2015 1:06 PM

PO3 Nichalas Enser — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:06:21 -0400

Folks,

Had researched this last week for some non-retired folks who were looking to obtain proof of service, other than handing over their DD-214 to a for-profit company, in order to obtain discounts or whatever.

At present, 40 states/locales offer to add 'Veteran' to your driver's license or state ID card. It varies, by state, but for most you have to have been Honorably Discharged. You simply take your DD-214 with you to the DMV. See http://militarybenefits.info/veterans-id-on-drivers-license-id-card-by-state/ for details (no connection to the site, myself, but it appears to be the only one with a fairly updated list).

Maybe the Senator should have just mandated that all states offer this as an option, if the service member would like it noted... Anyway, happy to see that Congress is doing **something** for the people in the military and those who have served, rather than just "thanking" them, without supporting any Bills that would help support Veterans or provide reasonable increases to pay and benefits for our Active Duty and Reserve brothers and sisters!

Nikk

Veterans ID on Driver’s License or ID Cards by State | Military Benefits

A list of sites that are now offering veterans designation logos on driver’s licenses and ID cards including the status on states that have yet to enact this program.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Jul 8 at 2015 2:05 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:05:59 -0400

Even with a Retiree ID Card, I have encountered dimwits at various low-level government positions that think the only proof of military service is a DD214. I applied for a Retiree license plate, with my retiree ID in hand, and was denied because the clerk misinterpreted the regs (proof of service, such as a DD214) as the only acceptable means of weeding out wanna-be types. This is a great idea only if the uneducated public knows what they are looking at.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 8 at 2015 2:22 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:22:26 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick, after thinking about the issues surrounding ID cards, I think one of the primary purposes of the bill to make available the opportunity for each veteran who has no other form of military or veteran ID to get picture ID card which includes no other sensitive information like birth day, SSN, military service number, etc. There has been a lot of concern about skimming information from credit cards etc., and misusing information provided by the elderly. This card could be handed to a vendor without concern of serious misuse.
There will be no chip included like a CAC with service related or medical issues information that could be compromised.
Unfortunately state drivers licenses which have veteran status on them include a lot of other personal information that could be misused in the process of a veteran taking it out of a wallet or purse and handing it to a vendor. PO3 Nichalas Enser, SFC Terry Murphy, MSgt Ronald Stacy, MSG Ramon Hidalgo-Acosta, LTC Yinon Weiss, SGM Private RallyPoint Member, SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL, LtCol Matthew Sutton, SFC Private RallyPoint Member, SSG Private RallyPoint Member, PO1 John Miller, MSgt Allan Folsom, SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.

Response by SGT Kevin Gardner made Jul 8 at 2015 2:38 PM

SGT Kevin Gardner — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:38:27 -0400

Ha just got a new card 3 months ago, and that was to replace the card from 1 year prior that replaced the card I had 2 years prior. How much money does it take to restructure the ID card's the VA uses? Implementing and the cost. How about we just take care of the Vets that can't get seen. And why the hell don't they just add the information to the new cards? That are now the old cards.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 3:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:22:53 -0400

How about just stick with incorporating it into drivers licenses and State IDs.

I haven't had any issues with mine!

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Jul 8 at 2015 6:28 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:28:20 -0400

I have an ID card from the VA that was free so I am confused on how this is different other than having to pay a fee for it. Perhaps if it was automatically issued free when person leaves the service instead of having to go to the VA to get it made would be beneficial. I still think there is a need for a DD214 since that shows more details than an ID card would have such as awards, total time in service, etc. I don't see an ID card preventing stolen valor unless it was made retroactive for every vet and that would mean they would have to go get one. But for proving Veteran status for discounts, etc., it would work.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Jul 8 at 2015 6:36 PM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:36:55 -0400

I think it is about time. Also have your medical records on a chip that is embedded on the card so when traveling you can use the card to get help when you have an issue. I have 2 DD-214s and do not like to have other people handle those. I have been fighting for years to get help from DAV and now have the American Legion working on getting me help. All in all after 1987 I never looked back and asked for help but the time has come to try and get some..I have to dig to find info that seems to not be there. I left and never had a card of any type and still do not have one. To me it would be nice to show it when needed.

P.S. Sorry for any typos..hands and brain not functioning as supposed to.

Chuck D

Response by Cpl Ken Enborg made Jul 8 at 2015 6:37 PM

Cpl Ken Enborg — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:37:53 -0400

Great idea for those of us who didn't serve 20. I don't walk around with my DD-214. I't my wife didn't have it in a scrapbook I would have lost it years ago.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 8 at 2015 7:22 PM

SFC William Farrell — Wed, 08 Jul 2015 19:22:53 -0400

Just another feel good bill which really serves no purpose. As LTC Yinon Weiss indicates, it may be good for verification on RP but what else will it be used for? I have a VA Health Care System ID card, I have my retired ID card and in Rhode Island I have my drivers license adorned with Veteran. I can probably even get my retired Air Force civilian ID card. And I don't believe most veterans are carrying around their DD214's. I would certainly bring copy to an emplyment interview or processing but thats about it, either i left a copy or it went home with me. And todays 214's have an ID number, they are no longer using the SSN.

Unless a new ID card had more than just my name and branch of service on it, I would have no use for it.

Response by SMSgt Tim Shuey made Jul 9 at 2015 12:32 AM

SMSgt Tim Shuey — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 00:32:35 -0400

Concur, great idea. My Dad is a Marine veteran, served 6 years, served with 1st Marines during the Korean War. It would help him access services.

Response by SPC Thomas Baldwin made Jul 9 at 2015 12:46 AM

SPC Thomas Baldwin — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 00:46:25 -0400

This is the new one, the should have sent one to you if you had the old one.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Jul 9 at 2015 2:06 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:06:04 -0400

I like the idea and I agree it will make it a lot easier than having to show a DD-214.

Response by PO3 Tina Orberson made Jul 9 at 2015 7:22 AM

PO3 Tina Orberson — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:22:56 -0400

I think that if you served but did not retire you should get some kind of card to show that you are a veteran...

Response by SSG Tina Herndon made Jul 9 at 2015 10:03 AM

SSG Tina Herndon — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:03:41 -0400

I think it's a fantastic idea as well. Having a card that is recognized on a federal level just like your drivers would be so much simpler than having to secure and remember where your DD 214 is. If there was a fire or other natural disaster it could easily be replaced by going to your local DMV. Currently Virginia does offer a Veterans ID card but I have just not taken the time to take my paperwork in and get the card. It would be so simple to have this option as part of your Out Processing when leaving the military.

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Jul 9 at 2015 10:49 AM

MSgt Manuel Diaz — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:49:46 -0400

Well good idea or not, will that id card indicate the deployment info like the dd- 214 does. Most likely not but probably will indicate ptsd diagnosis for police to easily confiscate any home protection weapons or hunting weapons in your home or vehicle

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Jul 9 at 2015 11:07 AM

TSgt Kevin Buccola — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 11:07:09 -0400

I am not a fan of this card - I think any Military service should be on your license.....it shows if you are a organ donor on the license - why can't you put Veteran Status...

Just looked and you can get Veteran on your license - http://militarybenefits.info/veterans-id-on-drivers-license-id-card-by-state/

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Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Jul 9 at 2015 11:20 AM

CPO Jon Campbell — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 11:20:04 -0400

The form number given to an ID like this should be designated as a DD214 - X. This would elimate confusion. I have a 'Form 2' and it is sometimes confusing to people who request a DD214. I had to produce a DD214 from boot camp to get a veteran license plate because the DMV wouldn't accept a Form 2.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 12:46 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:46:24 -0400

Not having a DD214 to carry around with personal information on it is great. Unfortunately, there will be some people who try to take advantage of this new id card or fabricate a fake id to pass themselves off as veterans. I hope there are some safeguards in place to mitigate this type of fraud moving forward. I know not everyone has a cac reader and some agencies may not require more verification than to present the id card, but I'm leery of more folks and "stolen valor" stories coming out of this. Companies like TroopID and ID.Me are using digital verifications in place of DD214 and many commercial sites are starting to buy in on digital verifications. I think the ID Cards are a great idea, but may just be a starting point.

Response by SrA David Steyer made Jul 9 at 2015 12:57 PM

SrA David Steyer — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:57:55 -0400

I have been for this idea... it's a pain to carry a DD214 and can help if/when people are called out for stolen valor. OR if you had this ID and allowed honorably discharged veterans shop at the BX and DeCA, it could possibly save them and give them more money. Of course there are debates it should be for those who are serving or retired but in this day and age, why not?

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Jul 9 at 2015 1:05 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:05:22 -0400

Should be a great deal. Go forth and issue.

Response by Sgt Dale Cusack made Jul 9 at 2015 5:08 PM

Sgt Dale Cusack — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:08:00 -0400

I think it is a great idea, many of my fellow Legion Members do not qualify for a VA ID card so this will be perfect for them.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 5:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:15:30 -0400

It'd be useful especially If it's set up like the cac card stick it in the computer and access your DD214 from there

Response by SSgt Rilene Ann made Jul 9 at 2015 5:55 PM

SSgt Rilene Ann — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:55:00 -0400

In Alaska being a veteran is designated on our state ID/drivers license

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jul 9 at 2015 6:18 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:18:56 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick FYI, while nor directly related to the card in question which is for veterans who don't have service connected disabilities.
The VA Choice Act was passed and the basic rule is if they VA can't provide an appointment within 60 days or you don't live close to a VA facility [not sure what that distance is] then the VA Choice System should a "Temporary" VA Choice Program Card. They issued me one a couple months ago for Dermatology since there were no VA appointments available with 60 days. Call [login to see] FREE for information or go to http://www.va.gov/opa/choiceact/

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Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2015 6:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:46:47 -0400

This is a great idea to quickly verify a veteran's status; however, it should not replace the DD Form 214 because there is much more information on the DD Form 214 than simply, "You Served." The DD Form 214 lists a person's awards, military training, length of service, character of service, and reentry eligibility. I think the government should issue all veterans an ID in addition to the DD Form 214. A veteran's ID is great to quickly prove veteran status, but there are times that more information about the veteran's service is necessary.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Jul 9 at 2015 7:00 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:00:25 -0400

Let the forgeries begin...

Response by LTC Roland Langford made Jul 9 at 2015 9:59 PM

LTC Roland Langford — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:59:31 -0400

The title of the article about "replacing" the DD214/215 is unclear. Will the card have details (service and dates and awards) like the DD214/215. If not, it will help, but still not do all the forms do.

Response by PFC Joseph Colavito made Jul 9 at 2015 11:14 PM

PFC Joseph Colavito — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:14:16 -0400

Great idea!!!

Response by PFC Bradley Johnson made Jul 9 at 2015 11:23 PM

PFC Bradley Johnson — Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:23:09 -0400

In the state of Tennessee where I live you can bring you DD214 to the drivers license office and they will put your military status on your drivers license. This keeps me from carrying my DD214 around but also I don't have to keep up with another card. Comes in real handy getting that veteran discount at Home Depot.

Response by PO1 Michael G. made Jul 10 at 2015 1:20 AM

PO1 Michael G. — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:20:33 -0400

I do like this idea; mostly, I am pretty tired of seeing "stolen valor" videos. If there was an easy way for a veteran to be able to show people that you are, in fact, a real veteran. I'm a little unsure about it replacing the DD214, because isn't the DD214 used to verify certain other information, such as awards received, specific service dates, etc? Also, I would be concerned about who would produce and issue the ID cards; doesn't this open another avenue for fakery? What if there were some sort of indication on an existing driver's license?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2015 9:24 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:24:55 -0400

I think it's a great idea. It literally has no drawbacks. Any Veteran who wants one can apply for it, and they pay for it so it's "budget neutral". Plus, it's a lot harder to fake an ID card than it is to doctor or create a fake DD 214.

Response by SPC Michael Sullivan made Jul 11 at 2015 7:23 AM

SPC Michael Sullivan — Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:23:37 -0400

Big brother has arrived .

Response by PVT Robert Brandenburg made Jul 23 at 2015 6:14 PM

PVT Robert Brandenburg — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:14:36 -0400

I agree , I can easily carry my VA I'D CARD. I have to fold my dd-214 in order to carry it in my wallet

Response by SFC William Farrell made Jul 23 at 2015 7:34 PM

SFC William Farrell — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:34:48 -0400

It looks like this passed Congress if i read it right!
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/91

H.R.91 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Veterans Identification Card Act 2015 | Congress.gov |...

Summary of H.R.91 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Veterans Identification Card Act 2015

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2015 7:39 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:39:10 -0400

I think it is a great idea. I'm surprised it was not put in place in some form prior to now.

Response by CPT Topher Murphy made Aug 19 at 2015 2:48 PM

CPT Topher Murphy — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:48:08 -0400

It sounds good but if it replaces a DD 214 it's a BAD idea. People think the VA is bad enough as it is, then consider this:

A person goes for their C&P exam for PTSD and they have 2 terms of service one which is considered honorable and the other we'll say OTH. The forensic examiner is required to determine when and how the PTSD may have started. Also how long before someone starts forging the cards. Here's a crazy concept, consolidate the system so that providers and forensic examiners have the information readily available to them versus having to go through boatloads of paperwork and/or 3 different electronic systems?

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Jan 27 at 2016 5:38 AM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:38:07 -0500

Npt enough info to replace a DD214

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2016 8:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:23:27 -0500

I worked in an ID/DEERS office for a time. This would be great if it happens. We constantly got calls from veterans wanting ID cards to show their veteran status. Unless they retired, DEERS does not give one.
This would not replace the 214 administratively, it would just be easier and a more secure form of verification for the veteran to carry.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Jan 27 at 2016 8:24 AM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:24:14 -0500

If all the information is coded on the DD-214 the way it is supposed to be, then I don't have an issue. However, with all the technology it would have to be typed in somewhere from someone so it would be readily retrievable if required.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 10:04 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:04:15 -0400

In North Carolina my Driver's License has a Veteran endorsement and is treated the same as a DD-214, I took my DD-214 to DMV and it was added. Example....I forgot my DD-214 during my CCW permit application and my license was accepted as proof of service

Response by PO3 Nichalas Enser made Apr 7 at 2016 2:51 PM

PO3 Nichalas Enser — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:51:16 -0400

SGM Matthew Quick ,
This is fine and all but it is, fairly unnecessary, as, at present, 49 States and Washington, DC already will add a 'Veteran' notation to your state-issued driver's license or non-driver identification card without any fee. **Washington State has passed the legislation, but service will not begin until AUG2017**.

The requirements vary, slightly, however - Virginia actually issues a stand-alone separate card, some states will only add the notation for those with Honorable discharges, et cetera. That said, for all states, simply take an original or notarized copy of your DD-214 when you go to renew. You are able to get a replacement, beforehand, but most charge if you go to do it any time other than the normal renewal or initial license issuance.

Check the requirements for your locale, before you go - they will be on your locale's DMV site https://www.usa.gov/motor-vehicle-services has the entire list.

No trouble with yet another avenue available to prove a person's status, but it is sort of odd when you can already do it, without a charge.

Fair winds, Nikk

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Response by CPL Peter Debrie made May 14 at 2019 7:34 PM

CPL Peter Debrie — Tue, 14 May 2019 19:34:25 -0400

I hope it’s fraud protected.

Response by Douglas Stay made May 18 at 2019 4:58 PM

Douglas Stay — Sat, 18 May 2019 16:58:07 -0400

What if VA told a lie on your DD 214 ?