Gun enthusiasts and owners: What are your thoughts on Constitutional carry, concealed carry and open carry? Which do you prefer and why?

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:23:18 -0500

(This is meant to be a fun debate)

There have been some studies that suggest majority of crime is opportunity based (aka crime of opportunity theory). Where criminals target those that are perceived as weaker or less likely to fight back. Giving people the means to not only protect themselves but show that they are not afraid to protect themselves may help to reduce crime rates.

There have been countless stories that have backed the prevention of crime when there is an armed citizen present (either in the home or a concealed carry). I can see where some may be concerned about this because just because you can "buy" a gun doesn't mean you know how to "use" a gun. However, some communities that are proud gun zones have less crime and actively educate their children in gun safety as well as proper handling/use.

If you are pro open carry do you think there should be a limitation on the type of firearm that can be carried based on location (e.g. public areas - handguns; hunting/lawful Target Shooting/etc. - all forms; private property - all forms; etc.)?

Edited to include statistics for carrying loaded vs. unloaded:

According to the FBI, "the average gunfight lasts 4 seconds and 95% of gunfights happen within 7 yards." So unless you can load, point and shoot a gun under 4 seconds and within 7 yards (or less if they are rushing at you with a weapon of their own) then you are essentially screwed. You might as well just run around with a baseball bat slung over your shoulder as it would be more effective.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Feb 11 at 2015 1:26 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:26:53 -0500

I'm a big fan.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 1:32 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:32:36 -0500

I'm a CCP holder, but I rarely carry because I work on base. I would like to see conceal carry made legal without the permit. Kansas is currently mulling that idea. I would also like to see SM have the opportunity to carry on base.

Response by Sgt Martin V. made Feb 11 at 2015 1:52 PM

Sgt Martin V. — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:52:37 -0500

I'm pro concealed carry, and this article is exactly why:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/08/i-like-your-gun-open-carry-practitioner-gets-unfortunate-late-night-surprise/

I think the fact that it is concealed would give me the edge, should I ever need to draw. Exactly how the crook in the article had the edge when he robbed the person open carrying.

‘I Like Your Gun’: Open-Carry Practitioner Gets Unfortunate Late-Night Surprise

William Coleman III was open carrying a handgun he'd just purchased hours earlier when he got an unfortunate surprise. The 21-year-old was chatting with his cousin just after 2 a.m. Saturday on a street in Gresham, Oregon, when aman approached them and asked Coleman for a...

Response by MSgt Michael Durkee made Feb 11 at 2015 2:00 PM

MSgt Michael Durkee — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:00:06 -0500

Insert funny comment...Oh I'll do it. I could f**k up a wet dream. I was fine with carrying an M9 and M4 while in Afghanistan, but not in my home. When the the Grim Reaper comes, he does. But I will go down fighting.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 2:03 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:03:10 -0500

I have a CPL in the state of Michigan and open carry is legal in the State Constitution. I tend to swing in both directions depending on where I am. When I am in the Northern Woods I open carry all the time. When I am at my home front I open carry my .38 but conceal carry my.45. As far as carrying a long arm such as an AR-15 in public in a densely populated area, I don't see the reasoning, in the northern portion of Michigan maybe. Not like I really want to be strapped with my 12 guage or my AR-15 anyway in the city.

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Feb 11 at 2015 2:16 PM

Sgt Packy Flickinger — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:16:53 -0500

People, law abiding types" should feel free to carry anywhere open or not. It's a right that needs to be taken seriously and not just "because".

I once saw a young guy, 20 or so, walk into a Subway for a sandwich with a 38 on his hip. He did not have a shirt or shoes so it was illegal to be served. But the girl behind the counter was intimidated because he had a gun. I think he did it to be an ass and see if they would say anything. I stayed close behind him incase something did happen. If she refused to serve him like she should have and he mentioned, touched or drew attention to the gun that would be illegal. I would have stepped in. After he left I had a chat with the manager.

Another time an old timer cowboy, Spurs and all showed up for a haircut with a 45 on his hip. Everybody asked him about the gun, nobody was scared cause it's not uncommon here, and he deflected the questions taking attention off of it each time. Well mannered gun owner, unlike the first.
I rarely carry, but it's nice to know I can when I need to. I usually wear the wrong clothes for a concealed carry.

The most important thing to me about owning a gun, if you arnt sure you WILL use it if needed, don't carry. This is different than knowing how to use it. Many people are shot when a criminal takes the gun from them. Bad owners.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 11 at 2015 2:20 PM

SPC David S. — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:20:55 -0500

Open carry for side arms as I can't really envision a situation where someone will need to defend themselves outside of 50 yards.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 2:35 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:35:59 -0500

I always have one. Except were posted prohibition.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 3:06 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:06:50 -0500

Hi, Petty Officer.

I have a concealed carry license. I carry my Glock concealed everywhere I go. I will be the guy wearing a jacket in 95 degree weather just to carry concealed. I don’t really have a problem with open carry, other than it lets the bad guys know. I would prefer it to be a surprise.

The people I’ve seen carrying AR-15s into Whataburger are a problem. They’re trying to make a point, not defend themselves. I get it. 2nd Amendment. Hooah. But if I see you coming in with a slung rifle, it will force a response that will just get hairier the closer you get.

Constitutional Carry is defined as carrying without the requirement of a government permit. I get that, too. But licensed carry is a stopgap measure in a time when there are a lot of innocent people around (it’s not a one round musket, it’s 15 or 30), not everyone is carrying (since we aren’t in a live off the land environment), and since you’re not fighting off bears or hunting, not everyone needs to carry.

Even felons can own. Sort of. Federal law states that those convicted of a felony or those convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence can own black powder weapons. They must either have percussion caps or 209 primer, and can not be readily converted to use modern ammo.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 3:17 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:17:35 -0500

I agree with the Right to carry but feel that There needs to be some way to make sure that you arent going to shoot your foot off. Now I have a CCP and carry everywhere that is legally permitted. in that being said I have been asked by a few people that I know that have asked me what type of gun they should get to carry openly. Now asking them questions I was told by one person that they werent going to do any training because they wanted to carry as a scare factor and not have the firearm loaded. (BIG RED FLAG) So i am a large fan of training before you carry.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 3:52 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:52:45 -0500

There are so many reasons why the 2nd Amendment makes sense for the preservation of a free populous. There are those that might argue that this is an antiquated concept based on a premiss of paranoia, but the statistics on violent crimes in populations with severely limited or complete bans on gun ownership/carry are remarkable. Soft targets will always be preferred targets.

I respect many of the arguments against the 2nd amendment, but do feel that they are misguided and fail to address the true root cause of the perceived problems associated with personally owned/carried firearms. It is no more the gun that kills, than the fork that fattens.

I am in full support of the individual right to own and carry a firearm. I also agree with all the previous respondents who highlight the need for appropriate training, and responsible ownership. This is part of the fabric of our American society, and one of the most essential ways any government can show its respect for the personal liberties of its citizenry.

Concealed? Open? Across state lines? Yes on all counts.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Feb 11 at 2015 4:26 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:26:21 -0500

Lots of great points to ponder. I don't think I can add anything that hasn't already been said. I carry (CCP) because I don't want to end up in a situation where I wish I had a weapon when I need a weapon. I prefer concealed carry so as not to worry others.

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Feb 11 at 2015 5:32 PM

SSG Christopher Parrish — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:32:41 -0500

I personally would prefer to simply rely on the 2nd Amendment, but we've allowed that to be infringed upon.

I would probably never open carry, I don't want to be the first target in an attack nor do I want anyone to freak out about a "man with a gun". I like being the grey man in the room.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 9:25 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:25:15 -0500

To be honest I believe open carry should be legal but everyone that carries should be educated on how dangerous your weapon can be. I believe in the right to carry a weapon because of someone shoots at me I want to have something to shoot back with.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 11 at 2015 10:28 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:28:34 -0500

I prefer licensed carry, currently concealed as that is all Texas allows at this point but would like to see open carry as well, simply to have the option available. Accidental exposure is no longer a punishable offence here....so it's not a huge deal for me.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 7:31 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:31:27 -0500

I support people's right to carry whatever whenever however they choose, and I also support other people's right to think you're an idiot for carrying an AR 15 around in public for the sole purpose of exercising your right to do it.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 7:39 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:39:07 -0500

I choose to carry concealed because I carry for defense of self and others, not to make a public statement.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 9:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:19:15 -0500

As everyone else has stated, I'm all for carrying in general as long as you have been properly trained. However, living in a constitutional carry state there is one part I don't agree with. If you are pulled over you do not need to inform the officer you are carrying. Maybe I'm biased becuase I have LEOs in my family and it's for their safety but it's not like I'm trying to hide anything either.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 9:42 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:42:26 -0500

I like this point of view. I believe that with proper training, a firm understanding of the nature of a weapon coupled with the responsibility laid upon us, it'll benefit us. Although I don't like the whole permit process, I can't argue with it much. Here in NY I had to wait a while and the process in essence is made to discourage applicants. However, certain steps within the process were legitimate. I think with these listed steps we can "all" feel safer. Compromise.

Applicants for gun permits shall be subject to the following

Background check- for our safety and yours. To ensure you're not mentally unstable, a crazed criminal of sorts etc etc

NRA basic gun safety course- to ensure the applicant is aware of the ins and outs of the weapon he would be armed with. It's common sense to me. I wouldn't want someone whom doesn't know what they're doing handling something so dangerous as a weapon.

These two requirements are good in my book. There may be others but that lies upon geographical location with respect to population, crime, poverty and other serious issues. I understand that other states work differently but a conscious effort to try to be fair on both ends should be made. I believe that states should also maintain or try to gain reciprocity with other states regarding the honoring of gun permits. If I'm able to get one in NYC or NY, you'd think I'd be good almost anywhere as NY holds the most ridiculous and anal process(at least I think so). I don't agree with the whole "applicant shall present justifiable means or need to want a permit" I don't need to prove a damn thing to you!! All you need to know is I'm fit for it, now stop questioning my constitutional rights! You shall not infringe upon them!!

Sorry I kind of digressed there. I am a little conflcited with the whole open carry and concealed carry. I want to say hell yea to open carry cause it's cool and all but I also want to reason with security and safety too. I personally feel that concealing my weapon will give me an edge and keep me safe too. At times criminals may see you have a sexy piece and want it and there goes that. You draw attention to yourself too, which I personally don't like. I don't think citizens of our country are fully prepared to be subject to seeing open carry everywhere. Maybe in small doses? Guns scare people and for the right reasons, it's because of what they can do and I understand that. What's your take on what I said PO1 Jennifer Purcell

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made Feb 12 at 2015 10:04 AM

GySgt Joe Strong — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:04:34 -0500

IMHO, my problem is that Constitutional Carry is IMHO short of the objective as it has been explained to me that it is unloaded carry(even though you can have a loaded magazine or speed clip on your person).
If I'm going to carry, I'm going to greatly prefer to carry concealed and in a ready to fire state(some form of safety even if it's that of a Glock is presumed).
IMHO, constitutional carry should mean that unless my rights have been abridged due to a violent felony that I could carry anything I wanted, anywhere I wanted (maybe the Sheriff puts it in a locker at the courthouse?) in any condition I wanted, concealed or not but even if concealed, if it prints or reveals its a faux pas, not a charge.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 7:24 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:24:31 -0500

I think that education is the first thing that needs to be done starting when someone wants to learn how to shoot a gun. Otherwise they are more of a danger to themselves and those around them. That is why I am against teachers having guns in school. I was a teacher and I know that there are many students who could easily disarm or steal the gun as not everyone is great at hiding items in their classroom or able to defend themselves. There is nothing worse than be shot with your own gun.

I prefer concealment as it does not allow me to be one of the first targets of a gunman as they want to kill those who could kill them first.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Feb 12 at 2015 7:26 PM

SSG Leonard Johnson — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:26:04 -0500

don't bother me either way brotha.... However I have to admit, I don't really like to advertise. ;)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 1:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 01:26:37 -0500

I’m all for constitutional carry, with the opportunity for a state license for reciprocity purposes. I prefer concealed carry, but while hunting, hiking, or camping I may open carry. I would never open carry a longarm unless hunting. To do so is only to get attention and test LEOs. Too many gotcha videos out there of open carriers trying to trap police into violating their rights. Though, I’m against the government at any level dictating what and how I carry. Same with training. It’s common sense to learn how to use any potentially dangerous tool, whether it be a firearm or a chainsaw. I'm just against training being mandated. There are already laws in place for negligence. If you buy a firearm and carry it, and you then injure or kill someone due to lack of training, then charge them due to their negligence.

Response by SGT Beau Thomas made Feb 13 at 2015 8:44 AM

SGT Beau Thomas — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:44:03 -0500

I'm torn on this subject, when I got my CHL the time, I was astonished and very scared at how most the non-military people handled their pistols. I was flagged three times, two people didn't know how to load their weapons, and one guy in a wheel chair failed the shooting range,(which honestly a person could pass blind folded). I've even seen an excessive amount of SM's doing unsafe acts at ranges. In my opinion, I think that open carry would work if a person could demonstrate profiency with a weapon, pass a background and be licensed every couple of years.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Feb 13 at 2015 10:42 AM

Cpl Brett Wagner — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:42:58 -0500

PO1 Jennifer Purcell - I do not know what "Constitutional Carry" means. From what I know & read our Constitution provides my right to own and carry. It doesn't list limitations, but I personally think there are a lot of problems with someone who wants to carry a long arm. I'm in favor of training much like getting a drivers license BUT NOT registration of any kind.

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Feb 13 at 2015 11:38 AM

SSG Keith Cashion — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:38:38 -0500

I agree that you have the right to carry either open or concealed (Even on a Harley), but it's not so much about the way you carry, it's how you act when carrying. I see a lot of people here in Colorado and the way they carry, some like the example of the gentleman in barber shop, don't draw attention to it, and some like the Subway guy do...just to be an ass. In some cases, the open carriers either are confident in the way they carry, and it is not attention maker...some you can see are not so confident, and it shows. Those are the ones that if open carrying, are always touching to make sure it is still there, and concealed are always pulling at the jacket, shirt or whatever to make them quite obvious. I carry concealed in my car and on my Harley, but it is not obvious. PO1...just poking fun about the Harley.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 12:15 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:15:29 -0500

For reasons of liberty I think each and every state should allow constitutional carry...

Given a choice I prefer concealed carry because I'd rather not show my hand if you know what I mean.

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Feb 13 at 2015 6:43 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:43:21 -0500

> In New Hampshire,
> existing state law recognizes the right of any citizen who can legally
> own/possess a firearm to carry it openly, either loaded or unloaded,
> anywhere in the state. Since law-abiding citizens can carry a firearm
> openly without a permit, they should not become criminals just because
> they put on a jacket or place their firearm in their purse or
> briefcase. Law-abiding citizens do not suddenly turn into violent
> criminals just because they choose to conceal their firearm.
> Today, the New Hampshire
> Senate passed NRA-backed Right to Carry reform legislation by a 14-9
> vote. Sponsored by Senator Jeb Bradley (R-3), this important piece of
> legislation would expand your Second Amendment rights in the Granite
> State by:
>
> Repealing the existing law requiring a person to have a concealed
> firearm license in order to carry concealed (permitless carry).
>
>
> Increasing the length of time a license to carry is valid.
>
>
> Directing the State Police to enter into reciprocity agreements with
> other states to recognize their licenses.
>
>
> Leaving the current carry permitting system intact for those who wish
> to participate in reciprocal concealed carry permit agreements when
> traveling to other states.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Feb 14 at 2015 1:18 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:18:09 -0500

It is way out of control, kids could easily get a gun on the streets. The criminals have more fire power than the police department. The right to bare arms quote is giving too many dangerous minded people a free pass, and now the end results is coldblooded murder day and night. I wish the military would come back and take over my hometown, at least I know the military will enforce the law and won't let the jails be a revolving door. It would be a lot of crooked lawyers out of business, and people too paranoia these day.

Response by SSG Sara Sutton made Feb 14 at 2015 3:13 PM

SSG Sara Sutton — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:13:27 -0500

I am the owner of handguns and rifles and the carrier of a CCP. I personally don't utilize open carry or conceal carry because of my children. They weren't raised to be as familiar with weaponry as their father and I were. Differences in parenting styles and not wanting additional incessant fighting has lead me to keeping everything secured in a bio-safe when they are in my house. Were I to have that magical do-over they would be as familiar, safe and secure as I was growing up with handguns and rifles in the home. I believe either way though it's my right and my choice. I do however, utilize my CCP when traveling any sort of distance. This is just my take on it.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 1:09 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:09:01 -0500

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 5:11 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:11:04 -0500

PO1,
Until recently, I was a local law enforcement officer and an Air National Guardsman andI was alone not the only active law enforcement officer that was drilling guardsman in my unit. That's why I'm absolutely dumbfounded by the base’s policy to completely ban any type of carry or even simple possession of any firearm on base. Here you have a group of people who are trained to resolve many lethal force scenarios, to include active shooters, yet they are disarmed, rendering them as helpless as the rest. It was crazy, because I had a navy base in my district and anytime we had to enter the base on official duty (in a marked police car and in uniform), we were asked to leave the weapons at the front gate! Which is completely ridiculous from a law enforcement point of view. But, I digress…
Military experience as an NCO that has deployed many times with active duty units has taught me that E1-E3 and sometimes E4 often make the worst judgment calls. I believe that the leading reason that constitutional carry is not allowed on base is because of the liability that lies in allowing younger, less mature members to carry their own personal weapons. Not only are they giving up “control” of the firearms and ammo on base, but chances are that these members will make stupid mistakes (such as accidental discharges / reckless handling of a firearm) or make poor judgments (such as drunkenly brandishing the weapon, or using lethal force in a non-lethal force scenario). The brass probably figures, on the ORM scale, you are much more likely to have a firearm incident involving improper use of a firearm by a service member carrying their personal weapon than an actual active shooter on base. And the military being what it is, they much rather risk a slow response to one mass shooting, than risk many more individual firearm related incidents on base.
My proposal: Enable NCOs with more than 10+ years of time in service the ability to carry on base. And just like the motorcycle safety course, there would be additional specific training on how to recognize lethal and non-lethal force scenarios as well as considerations (such as backdrop, cover, concealment, etc.) when using a firearm during a lethal force incident. Why 10+ years you ask? Well, the member has to have the maturity of experience, and must also be deeply invested in his/her military as well. This would act as an insurance policy because the member is more likely to exercise more caution/ prudence when it comes to actually deploying and using a handgun. Additionally, conceal carry would only be authorized in non-sensitive area on base (such as public areas) vs. secured areas such as a flight line.
I do believe that US military bases should be “hardened targets,” but I also believe that some military member are not ready to wield such an awesome responsibility. Keep in mind, the legal implications using lethal force against a foreign enemy combatant in a war zone is way different using the same force against an American citizen (or another member) on US soil, hence why I said “such an awesome responsibility”

P.S. I do fall under the pro-gun side of things, but I also understand the civil and criminal liabilities (as an organization) that the military is trying to mitigate. I believe the above stated solution is a good compromise of the two. Otherwise I would be all for the unrestricted carry of firearms on base.

Response by Cpl J.D. Stewart made Feb 20 at 2015 4:40 PM

Cpl J.D. Stewart — Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:40:33 -0500

Well here in Arkansas there is a bit of controversy over open carry but as the law reads, open carry is legal. Although open carry has not been challenged in court yet. I don't have a concealed carry license yet but plan to soon. I think that open carry is a right granted to us by the 2nd amendment to the constitution. I don't agree with gun free zones at all. Gun free zones tell criminals that that area is a easier crime zone.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 2:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:23:03 -0500

I think that open-carry should become a federally authorized action. Because as the studies have shown, crime is greatly deterred in the presence of a weapon, particularly an openly displayed one. While I believe this should be the case, I also believe that gun control, safety and usage courses shold be mandated to purchase an handgun, prior to finalization of sale. Even if they did not make it federal law that open carry be authorized, then I think it should at least be the case for active Duty military, simply because we are trained and sworn to defend from all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. And I dont know about anyone else, but I consider an armed robber a domestic enemy, and as such I will readily defend against them.

Response by SPC Cedar Bristol made Feb 28 at 2015 3:24 PM

SPC Cedar Bristol — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:24:46 -0500

The law should allow concealed or open carry without a permit, but should recognize the night and day difference between a gun in the holster vs in the hand. The law should also recognize that any kind of aggressive behavior toward someone while openly carrying is an implicit threat of deadly force and should deal with that accordingly.

If we have an argument, it heats up, and you say you're going to hurt me, I would say that's probably not a crime. I can be pretty annoying. My wife and stepkid say that all the time. If that same argument occurs in public, and you have a .45 in a visible holster and say the same thing, that is a serious crime against me and anyone exposed to the scene.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 3:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:40:55 -0500

I hate seeing douchebags who carry an M4 or AK47 "because they can." They don't look presentable. They do it to scare people. If you carry in a holster, and don't look like a hobo/white trash, carry all you want.

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Feb 28 at 2015 4:08 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:08:30 -0500

Being retired from Law Enforcement, I always carry a concealed firearm. I once was shopping at a Mall and an idiot pulled a gun out and tried to commit an armed robbery on a store clerk. I happened to be in the Store buying cigars. Anyway, because I was carrying, I stopped that idiot, dis-armed him and detained him until the authorities showed up. I was able to foil that crime before it escalated into something real tragic. I am an avid concealed carrying pro gun advocate. Guns don't kill people , it's the idiot with a gun that is dangerous and there is no shortage of these nuts walking around. Because I am a former LE Officer, I have a permit to carry in all 50 States. Thank God for honest people who are able to carry guns. Believe me, they do make a difference and we do keep people safe from all types of criminals. Just my 2 cents! SF!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 4:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:37:05 -0500

I prefer concealed carry... just because it gives me more options if a situation turns ugly and you have to deal with a threat to life and limb. I usually only carry when hiking up in the mountains, if I stumble on smugglers (I live in southern Arizona) I'd prefer for them not realize right off the bat that I'm armed.

Response by PO2 Todd Voge made Feb 28 at 2015 4:40 PM

PO2 Todd Voge — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:40:15 -0500

I'm a concealed carry permit holder and carry a large amount of the time. MN finally became a "Shall Issue" state rather than a "may issue" state a couple of years ago. The number of people carrying now has almost quadrupled in the last 2 years. And you know what? Crime continues to drop and the gun-control people's screaming of a "wild west atmosphere" hasn't come true (anywhere for that matter). I do believe the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to carry no matter how we wish. As for another Constitutional Amendment, if it take that to allow EVERYONE qualified to carry, then I say go for it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 10:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 22:01:02 -0500

I prefer people conceal carry, Open carry does not offend me, I just think that if something goes down and you need it, by concealing it first you have the element of surprise.

Response by SPC Brandon Spray made Feb 28 at 2015 11:26 PM

SPC Brandon Spray — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 23:26:47 -0500

Constitutional Carry, period. I have a right to protect myself where ever I go. Not just in my house, not just when a bureaucrat tells me I can.

I lived in AZ, OH, KY, NM and now TN. I open carried where it was legal, if it wasn't legal but I could carry in my car, I did. I have permit to protect my life now and just carry when I leave the house, except when I go the VA. Which is retarded, I can fight for the country but can't protect myself on VA property. I can't even leave it in the car, CCW is attached to you license so the just pull you over to find a reason to search your car, just hoping to find the gun I shoule be able to carry to begin with.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 9:00 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:00:56 -0500

My comments are only for what I do... I believe that if I'm going to carry, I'm going to carry concealed. A weapon is a tool, not a political statement.

Also, I figure if a criminal has bad intentions, and I'm open carrying, I'm the first target, and he or she will know they must take me by surprise.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:32 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:32:15 -0500

I believe in Constitutional Carry both concealed and outwardly displayed. I don't understand, why (in NC with concealed carry permit) that I can go to Wal-mart and not a county/city owned property. If I were to be unsafe (after being certified by a state approved class) with a firearm, it doesn't matter where it would happen.

I haven't seen too many studies or stories about negligent discharges from law abiding citizens carrying weapons. It does happen, but, it appears to be rare.

Carry if you want (but follow the laws), it's a Constitutional Right that has been infringed upon for years.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:37 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:37:42 -0500

I'm all for open carry, Albeit, licensed with training. "An armed society is a polite society."

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 11:38 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:38:55 -0500

Criminals have no problem caring illegal weapons why should law abiding citizens not be allowed to protect themselves and the ones they love? Gun laws don't effect the ones that commit the crimes it effects everyone else.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 12:35 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Mar 2015 12:35:45 -0500

I think the idea that a grown man can be told he cant do something to protect himself and pthers is absolutely preposterous. With that being said conceal carry means just that.. If you cant conceal it than it does the opposite of letting you blend in, it makes you stand out consequently painting you as the first target.

Response by CW4 John Karl T. made Mar 2 at 2015 1:28 AM

CW4 John Karl T. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 01:28:45 -0500

I have been a law abiding citizen all my life. I spent 39 years in an Army uniform to protect your rights and freedom. I believe we should all have the right to responsibly keep and bear arms. I believe we have the right to open carry and, with a permit, concealed carry. Responsibly means mentally competent, law abiding, properly trained and swearing to the same oath as the rest of us military.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Mar 2 at 2015 8:23 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:23:04 -0500

Also, I think the most disenfranchised group from Bearing Arms is ironically the group most capable and charged by oath to support and defend the constitution. How can that be justified?
Arm the Armed Forces!

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces

Response by PO1 Dustin Adams made Mar 2 at 2015 4:33 PM

PO1 Dustin Adams — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:33:18 -0500

I support a persons right to carry how they prefer in public. Not that everyone should carry, but I think they have a right too (with exception of those that are legally insane/incompetent or felons).
Practically; concealed carry in urban/suburban areas and open carry in rural areas.

As for what you should carry, I don't believe in a legal limitation, however I think as a productive member of society a person should carry what is practical (just because you could open carry an AR-15 while walking around in a mall, doesn't mean you should.)

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Mar 2 at 2015 4:37 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:37:23 -0500

While I am definately in the "pro-gun" crowd, I'm not so up on open carry unless you are in uniform and on duty. Why mark yourself as a priority target? I'd much rather have the element of surpise.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Mar 2 at 2015 4:49 PM

SFC Collin McMillion — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:49:26 -0500

I have always owned guns and have had carry permits for the 35+ years. Raised 6 children and ALWAYS taught them complete gun safety weather on the range, at home, hunting, etc. To me there are 2 reasons to take a gun out.......either to use it or clean it, no exceptions. It is not for show!

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2015 7:40 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:40:54 -0500

Would you commit a crime if face with her? Hell no.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Mar 2 at 2015 8:04 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:04:33 -0500

Is there a difference between Open Carry and Constitutional Carry? Is it just the requirement of a permit?

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Mar 3 at 2015 11:14 AM

CAPT Hiram Patterson — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:14:24 -0500

I would support open carry in TX but not likely to happen. But as a CHL holder I prefer concealed. Buy, why advertise. At one time in TX people carried rifles in their trucks gun racks and it was no bid deal.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 5:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 17:15:19 -0500

I definately support open carry on hand guns and hunting rifles. As far as concealed carry that should be your preference and as long as you get the proper training. I also think that educating our younger generation on parctice shooting and hunting may benefit our society.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 5:58 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 17:58:54 -0500

I have always thought handguns were for concealment. As they are a very poor choice with there small barrels typically and limited capacity. I do believe in the right to carry open or concealed but to mean open should imply long guns as handguns often say hey its in holster and you can get the drop on me before I can bring into action. I think legally unless a company is going to hire body guard s armed to the teeth you should legally be able to carry concealed. Its your life and no one needs to know your armed with handgun. Criminals are goin to get guns by any means why not be a hard target of surprise? As far restrictions on weapons I believe the 2 nd amendment doesn't say anywhere restrict as congress or other buffoons see fit. Aka no class 3 aka NFA b.s. should be allowed. Just my .02

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Mar 3 at 2015 11:06 PM

SFC Christopher Perry — Tue, 03 Mar 2015 23:06:04 -0500

I prefer concealed carry personally. Yes a criminal will typically pick the easier, softer target. However, if I happen to be in this target they have decided is soft, and the first thing they see is my gun, they will open fire whether they initially intended to kill or not. I would much rather they realize I am armed in the form a 1500 ft/s surprise.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 9:25 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 09:25:30 -0500

I think open carry is the best deterrent. The potential offender will perceive that there is less chance of success....Prevention 101. I also think that concealed carry should be permitted for after the fact response... Those that would do evil will potentially not notice these weapons which provides the element of surprise.
Note: as a resident of Texas I am aware that in rural areas I am legally authorized to open carry any legal (and legally obtained) weapon, but schools, governmental buildings, and a few other exceptions exist for both open and concealed carries. There are numerous city ordinances as well that negate these actions.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Mar 4 at 2015 12:37 PM

SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:37:29 -0500

PO1, we need to have Constitutional carry (unlicensed/unpermitted carry of both handguns and long guns) in every State, district, and territory of the United States.
Anytime someone says that a given location (a school, a church, a mall, whatever) should be somewhere that guns are prohibited, what they are really saying is that they think that location is somewhere that law-abiding citizens should be disarmed, and that criminals and nutjobs should have a hazard-free workplace there.

Regarding private businesses and such that may want to prohibit firearms: that is their own business. I do think that doing so is incredibly irresponsible, particularly if they do not provide their own armed security as well as an actual metal-detector checkpoint to enforce their rules. Regardless, businesses that choose to disarm their customers should be held strictly liable for deaths, injuries, and losses that occur on their property as a result of their misguided policy.

Regarding training, certainly you should get firearms training before carrying a firearm, if at all possible. However, certainly the government should not make training a requirement for carrying a firearm. Doing so is yet another well-intentioned infringement on the Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.

Regarding personal carry preferences, I openly carry a Glock 19 everywhere I can.

Concealed carry is about defense. Open carry is about defense, and deterrence, and freedom, and taking firearms ownership and carry out of the closet.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Mar 4 at 2015 12:57 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 12:57:40 -0500

Regarding constitutional carry, I believe our Constitution spells out very clearly that our right to own and carry weapons shall not be messed with by the government.

Regarding concealed carry vs. open carry, some say that openly carrying gives away a tactical advantage to a bad guy. The counter argument is that by openly carrying you discourage a bad guy from messing with you. Both arguments have merit. But until someone can point me to an actual incident where it is clear openly carrying gave away tactical advantage to a bad guy, I'll give the open carry argument more merit as long as you're not one of those yayhoos walking into Starbucks with a AR or AK strapped to your back, trying to upset people. Having said all that, I think people should be able to carry in the manner they feel comfortable with.

Response by MSG Robert Mills made Mar 4 at 2015 1:15 PM

MSG Robert Mills — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:15:06 -0500

I think that the idea of having the right to carry across state lines into other states with a permit is a real good idea once all the laws are standardized to the point of being able to enforce the issues it will create with law enforcement. However, being in a state that is less friendly on gun issues well its likely that Im going to carry anyway, and what people dont know well shouldnt hurt them. I think the new law is a good idea for people that legally carry. I dont think that there should be many limits on places, types of guns or any such thing as private property when it pertains to a personal choice of self defense, especially if your concealed, nobody should know, and a responsible gun owner will avoid situations that could produce conflict. Open carry also has drawbacks as well as advantages, I just think that since this particular right to carry a firearm and the nessesity of having to have some kind of permit to do so is actually a money grab for the right you have for free. Its unlikely that criminals are going to annonce they have a gun until its too late, well the same rule should apply to citizens that abide by the laws as well, and criminals dont have a permit they just carry anyway. Its a great idea, however concealed carry laws tend to be restrictive and is actually a measure of gun control that is not seen as such, concealed carry laws vary from state to state, and even if you have a permit there are certain places that are not allowed to carry that defeats the total purpose of the idea of concealed carry. So pick your posion I say, and if you happen to be a law abiding citizen you should not be penalized for either method you should choose no matter where you find yourself, as long as your not breaking any laws or causing any problems carry where you like, what you like and how you like. Im not sure why there would even need to be some sort of permit or license to excersise your constitutional rights but hey if you have to keep up with the times and changes well its overall a good idea.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 2:20 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 14:20:07 -0500

I am for either concealed or open carry, but I still believe one should have to go through a background check and a regular and advanced course for carrying.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 4:09 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:09:30 -0500

I'm all for carrying any kind of firearm the way that you want. However, I don't personally like the idea of open carrying. The reason I say this is because if a bad person is going to do a bad thing, then they'll likely do it whether they see someone with a gun or not. If I were a bad person and I wanted to do a bad thing, who would my first target be? That's right! The person that I see with a gun. That's the main reason I always go concealed.

Response by SSG Sean Knudsen made Mar 4 at 2015 8:07 PM

SSG Sean Knudsen — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 20:07:30 -0500

When carrying firearms is outlawed, outlaws will rule until law abiding citizens rearm themselves and protect their constitutional rights and lives.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2015 8:02 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:02:37 -0500

New studies released by the U.S. Department of Justice and Pew Research Center show that while firearm sales increase firearm-related homicides and suicides are steadily diminishing. Granted the article provided does not break down how gun owners are carrying into the statistics.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/05/14/disarming-realities-as-gun-sales-soar-gun-crimes-plummet/

Disarming Realities: As Gun Sales Soar, Gun Crimes Plummet

Firearms sellers can thank the gun-control legislation lobbies for much of this business windfall.

Response by Cpl Justin Sowell made Mar 6 at 2015 8:15 AM

Cpl Justin Sowell — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 08:15:33 -0500

I believe the second amendment is a duty not just a right. I also believe instead of preaching gun control we need to teach weapon safety (yes there is a huge difference). It is untrained, and psychotic people that give gun owners a bad name.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 10:40 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Mar 2015 10:40:44 -0400

Came across this article: "A Nevada couple has been told that they can't adopt a 12-year-old child because they have legal concealed-carry permits. Brian and Valerie Wilson asked the Assembly Judiciary Committee last week to approve a bill that would allow them to carry loaded weapons and serve as foster parents." Thoughts?

Source: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/07/heartbroken-nevada-couple-denied-foster-children-because-legal-gun-permits

'Heartbroken' Couple Denied Foster Children Because of Legal Gun Permits

A Nevada couple has been told that they can't adopt a 12-year-old child because they have legal concealed-carry permits.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 12:36 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:36:31 -0400

Open carry needs to be banned, unless a person is operating that firearm in a legal manner (i.e. hunting, shooting at a range, or transporting a firearm from one legal place to the next). How can police, or even CCL holders like myself, easily determine a threat? And honestly what is the point? If I was a criminal the first person I would shoot would be the fat guy with the AR-15 slung on his shoulder. Open carry was designed for a different time in American history when concealing a weapon was cowardly. Now CC is the norm, and open carry is the oddity.

I'd like to see a push for reciprocity of CCLs. I live in VA on the border of DC and Maryland, and trying to figure out when/where CC is legal is a nightmare.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2015 2:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:30:44 -0400

My thoughts...are you really ready for this?

First, I believe in Constitutional carry. We all have that right to carry and defend ourselves without having to pay fees to the state for training and licensing to do so even outside the home or car (by extension of the Castle Law in Texas). I feel that part of our right is to carry open or concealed which ever we feel is appropriate at the time. By now I am sure some readers have furled their eyebrows at me and will stop reading, but let me explain further.
I should not be assumed guilty at birth and have to prove my innocence in order to obtain a license (ability to carry) thru back ground checks. Those that have proven unworthy to carry should be indicated (I will get to that later). Someone out there is thinking “what about education and showing the ability to handle a gun”. That used to not be a problem as weapons classes were offered in public schools, and needs to be brought back so that every citizen is familiar with the use of weapons and proper handling. In a few years everyone will be educated and would qualify for the ability to free carry. Those that get out of school without the class would need to take a class and show proficiency before given the right, until that time they would be indicated as not to be able to carry as well, just like the ones proven unworthy (still getting to that point…stay with me).

Now, we are all (over the age of 18) required to carry some sort of personal identification either a driver’s license or a state issued ID. On that ID it should have a clearly and prominently marked band or something to signify the ID holder is ineligible to carry or possess weapons. This marking would be similar for those that have not shown they are properly educated by either a school curriculum or a previous Concealed Handgun License holder but be easily distinguished from those that have been found guilty of some form of illegal activity (to be determined later) to revoke their rights (just as you can have Voters rights removed). There should be an easily detectable difference of a temporary ban for the uneducated and a permanent ban for the guilty as charged. Temporary restrictions could be used for those that are accused of violent crimes until either found Guilty (permanent ban is applied) or found Not Guilty (temporary ban is removed). Thus removing the requirement for someone who is educated in weapons and is not a criminal to carry or prove they are worthy.

I feel our government has overreached its true authority on this subject and has no reasonable authority to restrict the carry of able bodied well meaning Americans. However I do feel that businesses have every right to make their own decisions on the matter. If you were a business owner and wanted a “gun free zone” in your place of business that is your decision I will just leave my weapon in the car or choose not to go in and shop somewhere else.

That is my feelings on the subject.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 9:41 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 09:41:37 -0400

Another great article on how a CC owner prevented a crime in process.

Source: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/04/05/gun-toting-good-samaritan-thwarts-carjacking-georgia-car-wash

Gun-Toting Good Samaritan Thwarts Carjacking

A Georgia man with a concealed-carry license is being hailed as a hero after preventing an attempted carjacking and possibly saving a woman's life.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 1:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:09:26 -0400

Concealed Carry is the way to go. You wont have to worry about upsetting someone else, not that I really care, but it is less of a headache. Also, all those douche bags walking around with long arms strapped acrosss thier backs or the ones who openly carry a sidearm but are "trolling" for a reaction and giving the responding LEOs a hard time do not help the cause. There is no need to walk around an urban area with a rifle on your back, on the farm or up a mountain maybe, not down town.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 20 at 2015 12:42 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Wed, 20 May 2015 00:42:37 -0400

Concealed for me, gun and knife. I don't carry everywhere. If at work, gun stays in my car, we have armed security for that. I try to be aware of where I'm going, and if there are going to be cops/security present, if so, it stays in my car as I'd rather not be the one doing the shooting.

I have never had to use or discharge, but it would be my very last resort, meaning that person would have to push me to where I actually fear for my life. There are moments where I feel I was in danger, but I never had to fear for my life.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2015 11:16 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:16:46 -0400

The problem with states where is difficult to get a gun permit (nj being one of the worst) is the criminals just go get one and don't care about the law and carry them. The law abiding citizens respect that law and can easily be victimized. Getting a gun should require a thorough background and a safety course but should be more accessible to responsible law abiding citizens.. I could go on for hours about this!

Response by SSG John Erny made Jun 12 at 2015 5:36 PM

SSG John Erny — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:36:55 -0400

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Pretty clear to me.

In some cases I support the right for bears to keep arms also. :-)

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 21 at 2015 1:10 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 01:10:50 -0400

North Carolina is an Open Carry State and I do this daily. I also have a Concealed handgun Permit. I like open carry because some of the places I have gone for work I am sure I was not acosted is that they would have been arguing with Sam Colt AND me. I have had to draw on a street person who was trying to rob my then 8 year old son.

I would love to have a society where I did not feel the need to carry a .45 automatic everywhere I go, but until every segment of society raises their children to be decent human beings, I will carry a gun and will not be afraid to use it.

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Jun 30 at 2015 10:44 AM

1LT Aaron Barr — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:44:33 -0400

Generally, I believe in the right to open carry but don't do so personally and would not recommend it. First, it upsets people and while there's no right to never be upset, I generally try not to. Second, those upset people usually call the cops and pull them from actually doing their jobs to talk to you and then do paperwork. Third, if a criminal is armed, especially in a mass shooting situation, you're likely to just be shot by surprise and your weapon used by your murderer to kill even more people.

Response by CW4 Kelvin Holt made Jul 2 at 2015 12:31 AM

CW4 Kelvin Holt — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:31:13 -0400

I prefer concealed carry so as not to draw a criminal's attention, I would much rather they be surprised how fast a firearm appeared in my hand, safety off.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jul 10 at 2015 11:06 AM

SPC David Hannaman — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:06:20 -0400

" just because you can "buy" a gun doesn't mean you know how to "use" a gun"

THANK YOU. THAT is what always seems to be missing from these discussions. "Gun control" is a farce. Every time the subject pops up gun sales skyrocket, and that scares the heck out of me... I went to the range a while back and there was a bunch of "wanna be's" holding brand new pistols sideways "gangsta style" and missing everything. I went to another range and someone had put a bullet in the glass dividing the firing positions.

I'm all for arming anyone with a sense of civic responsibility and the willingness to take the time to train, but the debate seems to attract people with the wrong mentality, or unwillingness to take the time to develop proficiency.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2015 4:10 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:10:39 -0400

I have a CONCEALED carry license and I emphasize concealed. Those that flaunt their weapons, even when lawfully allowed to, especially those with AR's or AK's, just add fuel to the anti gunners. It's like you have the right to yell fire in a theater, but it's just plain stupid to do it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2015 9:51 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:51:03 -0400

I carry concealed even in my home state that allows for open carry unless I am out away from the city. Primarily because if someone is our to do harm they will attack the person that is obviously armed first, second because there are stories of people being walked up on and told "Nice gun now hand it over real slow."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 9:45 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:45:49 -0400

I prefer conceal simply because everyone doesn't need to know my business lol. Even though Louisiana has an open carry law and a rough guess prolly 70% of the population either own or own/carry a firearm, people like to start things just because you have a weapon that you can see. I carry because I swore and oath to protect against foreign and domestic and I plan to uphold that oath to the best of my ability.

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Oct 2 at 2015 12:18 PM

1LT Aaron Barr — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:18:19 -0400

My thoughts are as follows: The 2nd Amendment says 'keep and bear' arms. Bearing, in this sense, means to have or carry on one's person so bearing arms is a Constitutionally protected right, as SCOTUS has affirmed in the last few years. I prefer concealed carry to open carry for a few reasons. First and foremost, if you're carrying openly and somehow end up in a shooting situation, the guy who starts shooting will target you first and you'll end up shot and your weapon likely being used against innocent bystanders. Further, the cops tend to get called in for that sort of thing and both I and they have better ways to spend their time.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 2 at 2015 12:26 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:26:22 -0400

I know what open carry and concealed carry are, but what the heck is constitutional carry? Is it similar to port arms?

Response by Sgt Ken Prescott made Oct 7 at 2015 7:55 AM

Sgt Ken Prescott — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 07:55:35 -0400

Concealed carry. I also prefer Constitutional carry WRT concealed carry. If I have to get a permit to do something, it's not really a right.

We need 15-day waiting periods and permits on assault printing presses, radio transmitters, and Internet routers.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Oct 10 at 2015 6:44 AM

SGT Rick Ash — Sat, 10 Oct 2015 06:44:58 -0400

I have a Concealed Carry Permit here in Kentucky but we are an open carry state as well so that's what I do. I practice EVERY day at 15 & 25'. Range ammo isn't as expensive as my .45 cal hollow points but I sure pay the difference during nightly cleaning and maintenance. Cantaloupes with Black Magic Marker make excellent "head targets" stuck onto a pole in the ground. I run the written portion of the Conceal Carry class test and the pass/fail rate is pathetic. Over 70% Fail the first time. They get great instruction and range time but do they read the study pamphlet before testing? Nooo....
I cut the top of my favorite side holster off and sealed the leather with Heel & Edge Dressing. I can assure you I can draw and fire in under 4 seconds and hit whatever I am pointing at. Actually stopped a robbery at the local Dollar General store. He already had $1,250 in his hand but was still pointing a .357 wheelgun at the cashier. I slid up behind him and when he felt my handgun on the back of his neck he listened to me and laid the weapon and cash on the counter. After the police left I was nervous as heck.
Thanks,
Rick

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Oct 13 at 2015 9:59 AM

Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin — Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:59:57 -0400

First, full disclosure, I own a handgun which I use at the range and for home protection. I will also inherit several guns from my father, some are WWII era, handed down to him. On gun carry laws, I have the following thoughts:

Overall: I am totally for ownership of guns without registration. I prefer to keep the world guessing if anyone has a gun as this is a deterrent by itself. Background checks are fine with me, when purchasing from dealers but not for the purpose of creating a database of who has what.
Open Carry: While I would never ban such a thing, but I do not believe in public open carry unless you are a law enforcement officer or serving in a combat zone. Carrying a gun openly in public just because you can, is much like a person abusing freedom of speech simply because they can. We have the right to bear arms (and free speech), not an obligation to do so because it's our right. Those who carry openly in public and are not going hunting or to a range (and other obvious venues), for the most part are being provocative (in my opinion). This leads to me consider their responsibility and maturity with their weapon. It also makes people nervous if they don't know you or your motives. Interestingly enough, some of the same people who want to carry openly, also demand 100% privacy. Well, keep the fact you're carrying private too! There is no need in a peaceful setting to flaunt your weapon.
Concealed Carry: Totally for it, and I encourage all those who are trained and certified to consider doing so. I'm also against gun free zones for schools and various other venues. Tearing those "gun free" signs down, by itself, will in effect become a deterrent to some would be gunmen looking for defenseless targets.
Constitutional carry: For open carry, fine (but I refer back to my opinion on open carry). For concealed carry I prefer one to become certified. CCL is usually meant for those who wish to have self protection. These are the people I want randomly in our public spaces where they can potentially address a threat. With that said, I would feel better knowing those same people are trained to do so.

Response by MSgt Peter Castine made Nov 12 at 2015 6:53 PM

MSgt Peter Castine — Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:53:48 -0500

I live in rural northern NH and conceal carry. Many people up here also carry. It has never been a problem. Most of the tourists up here do not have a clue that we are carrying. I prefer concealed carry rather than rile those that don't like guns. But, it should be up to the individual as to whether they conceal carry or open carry. Without the 2nd, we don't have the 1st and without the first, we don't have a constitution!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 7:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:33:53 -0500

That is absolutely true that the crime is opportunity based. Perpetrators seek victims, not battles. The easier, the better, at times with no real reward behind the crime (besides be psychological gratification of power when it comes to bullies, serial killers, and sexual predators). The Anti Gunners don't realize that and all they think that getting rid of the firearms, suddenly the world magically becomes crime free (I will even compromise and say "Crime Less"). In reality unfortunately there are predators and there are victims in our flawed world.
There is also crime committed out of deprivation, which is not justified but can either bad or good (theft of edible goods for example - good, theft of money to fuel drug addiction).

As pro firearm persona, I think more firearms creates the situation akin to Mutually Assured Destruction, where criminals would have to either prepare to the degree of Organized Crime or equivalent of paramilitary unit to be able to successfully even pull of any type of violent crime or otherwise give up and move onto something where life or permanent injury would not be the risk (identity theft for example).

In either case, even firearms magically disappeared, the murder rates would not go down. I grew up in Russian Federation and firearms laws are there much stricter than in UK. Yet, the gun murder rate and murder rate overall is higher than it is in United States to this present. People will still kill people for whatever reason. It just from firearms perpetrators will move on whatever else available.

So what's next? Ban kitchen knives, screw drivers, chainsaws, axes, crowbars, baseball bats?

Ultimately to be honest as well this all comes down to the culture at hand. There are places like Japan for example, where gun murders are almost non existent and the crime (except for Organized Crime) levels are very low due to the culture (Japan's gun laws are very strict) and then there is China or Russia, where guns are basically only in the hands of the government and murder rates are extremely high.

Just to point out "the four second rule" is irrelevant since frankly if someone carries unloaded gun and have to load it before shooting kind of asking for it. Most CCW carriers I know or knew practice with their firearms and carry them loaded. The only thing that makes the difference is the opportunity. Bad guys will always have initiative. Good guys however have to look for their opportunity.

Response by CW4 Kelvin Holt made Dec 24 at 2015 3:34 PM

CW4 Kelvin Holt — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:34:17 -0500

I live in Texas and carry concealed most of the time, in January 2016 I will have the option of carrying openly and I may do so on one or two occasions just to mark it off the bucket list, but most of the time I will continue to carry concealed. Open-carry is convenient when you need access to your firearm but I wouldn't want the undue attention, from criminals and law-abiding citizens alike. If I were a bad guy looking to do bad things, my attention and the first rounds out of my chamber would be directed toward identified threats to ME, meaning anyone in a law enforcement uniform or a civilian openly carrying. Criminal or not, open-carry draws attention, no thanks, nothing to see here, go on about your business.

I either carry in the small of my back using an elastic inside-the-waistband holster or on my hip in (concealed) plain sight using a Sneaky Pete holster (http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com). I am always locked and loaded, otherwise why carry? A nice thing about the Sneaky Pete is that I have the option of carrying with the safety off.

I think the upcoming open-carry option in Texas is overall a good thing but there will be those that will give gun owners a bad name, I posted the following to Facebook about a month ago, these four types of people will emerge:

1. I was a concealed-carry handgun license (CHL) holder before Texas open-carry, and I will continue to concealed-carry because it is the most practical carry for me.
2. I was a CHL holder before Texas open-carry and I will now open-carry because for me it is the more practical carry.
3. I was not a CHL holder before Texas open-carry but will obtain a CHL because I’ve seen a lot of people openly-carrying and don’t want to be the guy without; once licensed, I WILL open-carry.
4. I may or may not have had a CHL before Texas open-carry but I want to make a statement, political, social or otherwise and I see an opportunity; I will use my weapon, my holster, and/or my style of dress to make this statement and I can guarantee that many folks won’t like it. I WILL carry openly but beyond that, my carry will best be described as:
1. Look-at-me-Carry
2. I-Wish-a-Mother F’er-Would-Carry
3. Ask-me-About-my-Gun-Carry
4. Ask-me-About-my-Holster-Carry
5. I-am-Anti-[FILL IN THE BLANK]-Carry
6. I-am-Pro-[FILL IN THE BLANK]-Carry

Numbers 1-3 will likely or at least possibly fall into the ‘responsible CHL holder’ category, number 4 however will be the guy/gal that you see on the evening news every night, giving responsible CHL holders and gun owners in general, a bad name.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 25 at 2015 8:13 AM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Fri, 25 Dec 2015 08:13:01 -0500

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member Great topic and critical under our current situation. I am a HUGE supporter of licensed concealed carry after training. This training must be sufficient to not lonely confirm the basic marksmanship ability of the individual, but more importantly that the licensed person knows when to use deadly force. Further, while some cases may provide for legal use of deadly force the use may not be the best option. Complicated and complex scenario training should be provided to enhance the abilities of the individuals.

I am not in favor of open carry. Yes, I understand the crime reduction which may take place based on the openly armed individual, but I also see issues when we allow ourselves to retrograde into "old West" mode.

Obtain training, apply for a concealed weapon permit, obtain a permit, and carry wherever you are legally able.

Response by CPT Steve Curley made Dec 31 at 2015 3:33 PM

CPT Steve Curley — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:33:03 -0500

I carry in Boston, MA. dependent on where I am going, but always concealed. Boston license is almost impossible to obtain, 1) Pass safety class 2) join a gun club 3) qualify with revolver and auto at BPD gun range. 4) the usual background checks 5) in addition toook 40 hour concealed carry course with State Trooper (my option - not required). Massachusetts is an open carry state, believe it or not. To date I have never seen a civilian open carry.

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 5:30 PM

LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:30:13 -0500

I have absolutely no problem with open carry but my wife and I both carry concealed mainly so as not to draw unwanted attention to ourselves. Many in the general public have irrational fears about guns in general and the mere sight of one makes others nervous. I think this is silly, but at the same time I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind who is that zealously anti-gun, so I prefer concealed carry (loaded and chambered thank you very much...trigger discipline is a must).

On a side note, I think those who carry should be trained in gun safety and should have to undergo a background check. I went through it to get my CCP and I don't have a problem with it. All of my children are trained in gun safety and firearm fundamentals starting at about age 6. It is just a normal part of their upbringing.

Response by COL Ronald Diana made Dec 31 at 2015 9:30 PM

COL Ronald Diana — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 21:30:32 -0500

There are many different theories and discussions that take place on this subject. I am a believer in Constitutional Carry, but unlike others I believe that the 2nd Amendment protects the right, but it can be regulated at the state level. Many states, especially those who were not apart of the 13 original states, have 2nd amendment like articles in their Constitutions. So the personal right to won and bear arms is protected at two levels.

Open carry versus conceal carry is tactics is a matter of preference. Whether it is allowed or not again is what the state desires. In many states open carry is allowed w/out a Carry Conceal License. Here in TX as of tomorrow you can open carry pistols, but must posse either a CHL (Conceal Handgun License) or another type permit. You can carry long guns with no problems. I prefer conceal carry as it has less hassles from the public and law enforcement.

Now for crime and criminals it is my belief that they are cowards, like terrorist. Statics show that in states with Carry Conceal or open carry crime rates are lower then in states with restrictive gun laws. Again the states are correct that in most cases the fight is fast and violate and at close range. If you are carrying to protect yourself and family then you need to be able to get the gun out in less then 4 seconds and complete the fight. How do you hedge the bet? I believe that having and laser on my gun gives me a point and shoot capability and thus don't have to get the gun all the way to use front and rear sights.

These are my opinions alone and I have carried concealed since 1996.

Response by PO2 Jeffery Marcussen Sr made Jan 1 at 2016 12:54 AM

PO2 Jeffery Marcussen Sr — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 00:54:03 -0500

i believe in the second amendment as written i should not have to have a permit to do either. i prefer concealed over open since it would alert a bad guy to it's presence and could get me shot before he even gets close enough for me to notice him sneaking up. or in a place of concealment. now i do not have much of a problem with a background check as i do not have anything to hide granted they are a bother and do have a chance of being abused in some form but i see no other simple way to keep people who should not have one from just walking into a gun store and buying one. like felons and folks who have legitimate mental issues or folks with proven anger management issues or sexual predators or under a restraining order. i see no need to carry a rifle in a store i would have to wonder if you have a feeling of inadequacy trying to be something your not or trying to make a statement of being stupid or planning to use it for something illegal. as to being able to open carry a rifle or pistol on your own property especially if it is a large place go for it. it's your property you should be able to period. but in a public place it is not needed so a pistol should be quite sufficient for protection. just like since we are supposed to be afforded the same protection as our government and to be able to defend against it if the need should ever arise we should be able to own machine guns. now that would be something i would not say should be carried in public don't get me wrong but if the citizenry was ever to have to take on a tyrannical government we should be afforded the right to equal arms. a good training class should be required if you have never had the benefit of police or military training. so really the only thing that should be needed is a valid driver's license a valid training id. i think no other restrictions should apply. there are enough gun laws on the books to cover what should happen if you are not responsible to handle your firearms properly. the biggest thing needed is to enforce those laws. not put more on the books. i will now finish my say and wait to get bashed some for some of what i said :)

Response by SPC Steven Ling made Jan 1 at 2016 8:22 AM

SPC Steven Ling — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 08:22:52 -0500

I believe that properly trained and screened persons should be able to carry CONCEALED. Unfortunately, the training in some states is lax. Ohio requires only an 8 hour course to get a permit with no requalification. Law enforcement officers are required to requalify every year. As an army reservist, we had to shoot every year. I imagine that the combat arms (infantry, armor, engineers) have to shoot more than that.

There was an article written by a former SEAL who stated that gunfights are confusing and traumatic events. Even once per year requalification is inadequate in my view. If you want to carry, you should have to qualify at least twice per year. You should practice regularly and also try to get some martial arts training too. Not every situation demands a firearm. In some situations (the Oregon community college shooting), a CCW holder (veteran I think) just took up a defensive position in order to protect the students in the room he was in as opposed to actively seeking out the shooter (smart in this case as he could've ended up in a "friendly fire" situation with responding law enforcement).

Open carry is a bad idea. Not only does it unecessicarily alarm others, it invites a possible response from law enforcement AND it gives away the element of surprise. As a CCW holder, I don't want the bad guy to know I'm armed. I want to be the one to choose the time and place of the confrontation. Think Suz Tzu.

Response by Sgt Martin V. made Feb 4 at 2016 1:05 PM

Sgt Martin V. — Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:05:40 -0500

I don't mean to be a thread necromancer but here is another example of what I was talking about in my original reply

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/03/man-becomes-example-of-why-some-gun-owners-prefer-concealed-carry-over-open-carry/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons

Man Becomes Example of Why Some Gun Owners Prefer Concealed Carry Over Open Carry

Police in Virginia are investigating after a man who was open carrying was robbed and had his firearm stolen from him. According to the Daily Press, a 37-year-old man in Newport News, Virginia, told police that he was robbed as he was walking across a street...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 4:01 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 16:01:59 -0500

Concealed carry does not attract attention of idiots who every time see someone carrying a gun, think his up to no good, neither perpetrators would provide as much of priority attention to ambush someone who is openly armed. Most perpetrators will simply put their gun to the back of the open carrier, seeing his gun on the hip and politely (cough) ask to let them borrow it permanently or simply come to the ultimate choice squeezing the trigger and taking the lawful carrier's life.

Thus concealed is highly preferable in my opinion since it does not attract attention, neither good or bad.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Apr 28 at 2016 11:59 PM

SPC Brian Mason — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 23:59:23 -0400

I love that we have a Constitutional right to have a weapon. I do not believe OC is the way. If a person is about to do something, they will scope the area looking for potential threats to themselves. If I'm concealed and in that area, I will not be viewed as a threat. Unless he/she knows how to spot someone with CC.
I got so used to carrying an M4 and 9mm that I wish I could do this here, openly sometimes. However, people do panic; quickly and easily. They tend to act first and not think about consequences later. I'm not going to assume anything. Most people who go through the CCWP class have knowledge of firearm use already. The majority know how and when to use their firearm. It is the uneducated group that is more at risk.

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made May 5 at 2016 4:35 PM

SSG Jeremy Kohlwes — Thu, 05 May 2016 16:35:58 -0400

I do support carrying as a right protected by the Constitution. I conceal carry on a regular basis. However, I am not a fan of open carrying. Primarily because if someone decides to target you, they will see the gun and be prepared. So it pretty much makes carrying useless. On top of that, I recognize that there are a lot of people who aren't comfortable with guns and that is their right. With conceal carry you get the "out of sight, out of mind" for those people so they can continue their lives happily, rather than having someone open carrying trying to force feed them "it's my right to carry" lines.

And I do carry loaded with a round in the chamber.

Response by SSG(P) John Newcomb made May 9 at 2016 6:29 PM

SSG(P) John Newcomb — Mon, 09 May 2016 18:29:30 -0400

I carry concealed just about everywhere. I happen to be in a state that open carry is allowed , but most people get extremely nervous due to the political / cultural atmosphere here. (Vermont)

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 9:49 PM

LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2016 21:49:48 -0400

I carry concealed (legally) as does my wife. My kids shoot as well. I don't have a problem with open carry but I don't do it. I think it makes people paranoid, draws attention to oneself and makes you a target. I'd just assume to be anonymous.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Aug 29 at 2016 9:22 PM

CW3 Harvey K. — Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:22:14 -0400

I will vote for Constitutional carry.
Personally, I would never open carry in an urban or suburban environment if not in uniform, but I would still prefer that it be legal, if only to eliminate the stupidity of laws against "brandishing a weapon" by accidental (or justified warning off a would be perp) display of a weapon.
In sum, I consider open carry to be "a custom more honored in the breach than in the observance", but still justifiable in many circumstances.