Posted on Dec 28, 2017
Has any one noticed the increased number of errors in the newest 670-1 (such as examples not matching what's written)?
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There are number of inconsistencies that I have noticed in the newest version of DA Pam 670-1 from May 2017. Such as: if they are obscured by the lapel, special skill badges can be adjusted over to align with the edge of the ribbons, but shows a picture of the skill badge only moved slightly over, NOT aligned with the ribbons(p. 284-285) and the section describing how to wear branch and U.S. Insignia has been cross-matched for enlisted and officer. It doesn't even match when it describes how to wear the same item on each side of the uniform. Who needs to know about this stuff to get it fixed?
DA Pam 670-1
Dress Uniform
Army Regulations
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At the rear of the majority of publications is a POC listing for the proponency organization. When you find errors do a memo for record listing the page, paragraph number and discrepancy noted and send it via snail mail or e-mail to the POC listed. It's awesome that you are taking the time to find out how to get things fixed verses just complaining.
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CSM Richard StCyr
This is the statement from AR 600-8-22 , in this case the info was towards the front just after the list of changes.
Suggested improvements. Users are invited to send comments and suggested improvements on DA Form 2028 (Recomm e n d e d C h a n g e s t o P u b l i c a t i o n s a n d B l a n k F o r m s ) d i r e c t l y t o C o m m a n d e r , U S A H R C , A T T N : A H R C – P D O – P A , Alexandria, VA 22332–0471 or via elect r o n i c m a i l t o : a w a r d s @ h o f f m a n . a r m y . mil.
Suggested improvements. Users are invited to send comments and suggested improvements on DA Form 2028 (Recomm e n d e d C h a n g e s t o P u b l i c a t i o n s a n d B l a n k F o r m s ) d i r e c t l y t o C o m m a n d e r , U S A H R C , A T T N : A H R C – P D O – P A , Alexandria, VA 22332–0471 or via elect r o n i c m a i l t o : a w a r d s @ h o f f m a n . a r m y . mil.
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SFC (Join to see)
I once submitted for a change in the previous PAM, and the process is easy enough. Gives a sense of accomplishment when you see the change made. I might not have been alone in the submission, but it was great to see the process work.
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As CSM Richard StCyr stated SPC (Join to see) the DA Form 2028 to the proponent of the regulation, TM, FM, MTOE, TDA, etc.
So the 670-1 and the PAM before the May 2017 version was the first one in 10-12 years that had to integrate a foot high pile of ALARACTs and Milper messages that had tried to document the ongoing changes to uniforms, awards, and standards. So then after much consternation and much fanfare, they Army published it. People hated the two pubs. There were many discrepancies and things that were down right ambiguous. One had to have the analytical skills of a rabbinical scholar to figure some of the more complex things out as it was in 3-4 places. So then there was a couple rabbit punch edits that came out as RARs. So now here we are in 2017 with what we have , which was an attempt to simplify, clarify, and fix what was found. How do they know what to,fix? Feedback from the senior Sergeants Major and DA form 2028s from people like you.
So the 670-1 and the PAM before the May 2017 version was the first one in 10-12 years that had to integrate a foot high pile of ALARACTs and Milper messages that had tried to document the ongoing changes to uniforms, awards, and standards. So then after much consternation and much fanfare, they Army published it. People hated the two pubs. There were many discrepancies and things that were down right ambiguous. One had to have the analytical skills of a rabbinical scholar to figure some of the more complex things out as it was in 3-4 places. So then there was a couple rabbit punch edits that came out as RARs. So now here we are in 2017 with what we have , which was an attempt to simplify, clarify, and fix what was found. How do they know what to,fix? Feedback from the senior Sergeants Major and DA form 2028s from people like you.
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SPC (Join to see)
They definitely wouldn't care. The ASU's are usually the last thing on the mind of guys in an infantry unit. Not to mention, we're in the guard, so we almost never wear the uniform, and when we do its obvious that no one cares how it looks other than myself. That's just because part of my civilian job is to set up the awards on people's ASU's.
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SSG (Join to see)
Agreed. The unit isn’t going to care as much. Just go about sending the discrepancy to the proper folks
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