Has the 82nd Airborne Division lost its pedigree as one of the most feared and premier combat force in the world?

2017-04-27T16:50:09-04:00

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2017 4:52 PM

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Not liking Bragg?

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Apr 27 at 2017 4:58 PM

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No. Next question.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2017 5:03 PM

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I think it takes different things to add up to "the most feared and premier combat force in the world". Advanced weaponry? Check. Elite training? Check. But the X-factor is the intestinal fortitude of the individual soldier that keeps attacking when all seems lost (think D-Day). And to that point, I don't know if an entire division has been tested like that in a long long time. We certainly see glimpses of it in combat on smaller levels. But as far as attributing it to an entire division, well, we'll have to wait and see.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 27 at 2017 11:36 PM

2017-04-27T23:36:39-04:00

No....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2017 6:15 AM

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The 82d will always be America's Guard of Honor! I just hope with how the direction of the army is changing, leaders don't lose sight to the level of professionalism and training, we have come to expect from our nation's finest.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Apr 28 at 2017 10:45 AM

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No!
And neither has the 101st or even the 1st Marine Division.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2017 12:56 PM

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It's levels to the shit if you are talking regular army yes but anything past that no we are on the same post as the real bad asses

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2017 3:37 PM

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If we are talking internal beefs between others units in the Army, then they might say so. However, the perception to those who might end up on the receiving end of the 82nd, I doubt they think any less. Its difficult to understand the true psychological effect of an enemies Airborne Division, since there are none that pose a threat to us at home.

Response by CPT Randy Zales made May 13 at 2017 11:19 AM

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Name one other division that given a no notice mission can deploy anywhere in the world in x hours then jump fight and win!

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made May 13 at 2017 12:01 PM

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ROTC kids automatically have this idea of me being a bad ass because I spent 4 years in the 82nd. I didn't even know that was a thing.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2017 12:16 PM

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Yes, because a few B-52s devastate an entire region.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2017 12:18 PM

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The 82nd, 101st and 173rd haven't. However, they've been severely leashed over the last decade of conflict. Take the leash off and that question will sort itself out.

Response by SGT Joseph Wasson made May 13 at 2017 2:12 PM

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Untie their hands, remove the leash and shut out the media while they go to work and you won't have a terrorist problem anymore. Deploy the 82nd, 101st, 1st marine division, Rangers, SF, a naval battle group and Air Force bombers/ A-10's and this world would be a safer place. The problem is all the pansy assed tree hugging, libtard, safe space because words hurt, whiny needs a diaper change babies in the world don't have the intestinal fortitude to do what is necessary to end terrorism!

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 13 at 2017 3:37 PM

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Who? ;)

Response by SGT Robert Cupp made May 17 at 2017 9:51 AM

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Response by PVT Jim Porter made Jul 10 at 2017 10:59 AM

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To many wimpy moms complained there kids where scared of there d.s and they took away shark attacks and hardcore training. Take the bite out of the soldier and mamby pamby them ya get weak soldiers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2017 5:09 AM

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Let the 82nd loose and give them no ROE AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO!

Response by SPC Bratton Arnette made Nov 4 at 2017 9:04 PM

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As a former member of H MINUS, I wish the politicians would leave war to our warriors, but the country, as a whole, has gone soft and when the politicians hear the complaints from their constitutes, they bow down afraid of losing their next election. Public opinion has affected how our soldiers are allowed to fight since the Vietnam Conflict. That just is not going to stop.
Now that I said that, if the politicians told people to shut up and cut our soldiers loose, YES, terrorism by radical Muslims and bullying by leaders of third world countries would end.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2017 2:23 PM

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Absolutely not. When we have operated in their vicinity they have always been "hard chargers". Their ability in combat is based upon the quality of their NCOs and they are exceptional troopers and professional with a clear understanding of what it takes. Most of their officers from 1/LT to LTC are also very smart and aggressive. If anything were to hurt them it would be the Army's "risk averse" leadership which does seep down to the lower ranks. This is an institutional attitude that can make some officers with ambitions for higher rank more concerned about not making mistakes than about successfully completing a combat mission. Everyone from POTUS down (excluding Sec. Mattis, he already knows this) need to remember several things about the nature of warfare:
1) War is a terrible thing and truly a scourge upon mankind. Irrespective, things happen from time to time that require us to pick up the sword and fight those who mean us harm. Most often they are irrational evil leaders of other nations or extra-national players. No matter how much you speak with them or threaten them if we aren't able to promote true regime change, we will have to defeat them militarily.
2) Individual soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen are the tools we have to accomplish victory. Unfortunately if we fight an opponent with the intensity displayed by the "Greatest Generation" in WWII there will be a lot of casualties and letters to write home. Since the end of the draft we have all been volunteers and need to realize that we are all expendable resources in the quest for victory.
3) Even great generals, officers, and NCOs make mistakes in combat. We have limited information about the enemy's intentions, numbers, and determination to achieve their objective. No matter how much we plan we will occasionally be defeated in a true war. When an officer has done a good job in planning an OP but everything goes sideways anyway, it should not be a career killer. Timidity will kill more of your own men than aggressiveness ever will.

I have run rather far afield of the question but this will tie it all together. The 82nd ABN can only be as good as their commanders are willing for it to be. If they stop worrying about their careers and develop the will required for aggressive offensive actions, the 82nd will clean anyone's clock unfortunate enough to meet them in combat.

Response by SSG Fin Jake made Nov 24 at 2017 11:43 AM

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yes.. them and others

Response by PFC Kevin Crocker made Nov 24 at 2017 11:57 AM

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They are all as sharp as tacks and ready to rock. We just need a civilian leadership that supports and believes in them and then they will have the opportunity to show us just how ready and rock steady they truly are.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Nov 24 at 2017 2:17 PM

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The 82nd Airborne had a proud History and still lives up to it and takes pride as they should, other units such as the 101st, 173rd just to name a few that have that pride and motivation which they earned and continue to uphold. Give them a mission to accomplish and the assets to do it they will always get the job done and make all of us proud of them. The large team of all of us be they Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force or Coast Guard all step up to the plate and get it done. We need to take a lesson from President Thomas Jefferson who knew the Military Forces of the United State needed to be enlarged and maintained to not only be able to respond on a global basis but to also prevent wars and other transgression against our country in the first place by maintaining that strength. In our History that has been forgotten a number of times and the results have never been good. I may add also very often overlooked are the Merchant Marines whom have made major contributions and many have no idea how much they have done and continued to do.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Nov 24 at 2017 3:17 PM

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No! The 82nd stands above and beyond many of the elite forces because they are always on call (the Ready Brigade) and possesses the mindset of utter professionalism. From 1976 to 1979 I served as the first Special Security Officer of the 82nd under the command of MG Roscoe Robinson, and I consider that assignment as the peak of my career. Although duties were long, hard, and exacting, my memories of the 82nd Airborne tops the priority list of my career. The 82nd's patch is one of historical glory and respect in my book. Airborne--all the way!
Greg

Response by CW3 Kim B. made Nov 24 at 2017 6:01 PM

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The 82nd is as fierce as always. If you think they have lost a step, I suggest anyone go challenge them. They don't get as much press as they use to get but they have been and are a premier force!

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Nov 24 at 2017 7:18 PM

2017-11-24T19:18:39-05:00

"Has the 82nd Airborne Division lost its pedigree as one of the most feared and premier combat force in the world?"

They have not had that since WWII
And Yes I was in the 82nd after WWII and no, it was not feared and premier combat force in the world? then..nor now.
It was and is a good unit that has enormous esprit De Corp but their training and what they have done on the ground is only legendary and "feared" in the minds of those riding a legendary reputation stemming from WWII.
There are great units in the 82nd, there are awesome soldiers in the 82nd.... but 12 hours on DeGlopper field followed by 4 hours on green ramp with a BN Mass Tac jump on a DZ with no actual enema forces shooting at Aircraft, jumpers in the sky, or on the ground does not make them "premier " for todays battles, nor does it make the enemy fear them.. Partly because the enemy fears no one, God is on their side (if you ask um) and they can not loose, even if the IED does not kill and they are shot dead,,,they think they win...Partly because other then Airborne operations, they do nothing special as far as training... and they do little in the way of individual training, little in company training jumping (no pun intended) to BN and BDE level missions... That is not for want by the company and below leadership though...if left to them, they would spend countless hours perfecting individual,team, sqd and company level skills....
No enemy has feared the 82nd since the Germans in WWII

Response by MSG John Joseph made Nov 25 at 2017 9:43 AM

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No, it's a awesome unit with great history and lineage. Looking from the perspective of someone retired, the Military as a whole is lost as a fighting force. General Officers are being relieved of Command, training schedules are loaded with classroom briefings and discipline is out of control. News outlets and social media have no filters so every thing is reported. It's created a feeling of mistrust and mismanagement from the population. Take in account the older generation of soldiers feel they handed the reigns over to a current generation of recruits that invest more in social reform than selfless service.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2018 8:14 PM

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Yes because they have barely deployed in the last few years to theatres where they face our enemies head on.

Response by SSG Daniel Evans made Oct 16 at 2018 4:23 AM

2018-10-16T04:23:18-04:00

All those people lost thier effectiveness when mechanized infantry was born. Sorry nothing better then BFV overwatch no matter how bad ass you are

Response by SGT Frank James made Oct 16 at 2018 12:31 PM

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Take the chains off. Quit trying to win the minds and hearts just kill the enemy till there are no more.

Response by Capt Bryson Blake made Oct 16 at 2018 12:55 PM

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The American military is a much more professional and capable force today than it has ever been, and that includes the legendary units who still carry the aggressive attitudes of their forebears. It is the political and popular will that is to blame for limiting what our military can do to its opponents. It reminds me of a John Stuart Mill's quote:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice,—is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."

Response by SGT Andrew Vasas made Oct 16 at 2018 2:14 PM

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Had Obanana kept his commie ass in Kenya, this statement would never be said.
#FuckObamaAndHisFamily

Response by PO1 Alan Sparks made Oct 16 at 2018 3:31 PM

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Well, not that i've heard, 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions may say otherwise, but that's just rivalry between the services.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 4:21 PM

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I have worked with 82nd numerous times some battalions were good and others just sucked. Overall impression of them over rated.

Response by SFC Rick Alford made Oct 16 at 2018 4:27 PM

2018-10-16T16:27:57-04:00

Cry havoc and unleash the dogs of war.

Response by SGT Timothy Strashinsky made Oct 16 at 2018 5:53 PM

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I believe no, and yes. No because they still believe jumping from a perfectly good airplane is a great idea. And yes there are other division just as good if not better.

Response by MAJ Kevin Brady made Oct 16 at 2018 6:10 PM

2018-10-16T18:10:33-04:00

If we would stop being the world of kiss ass and let them be the world of kick ass all would be right in this world, that is the fact that I truly believe in

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Oct 16 at 2018 6:33 PM

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Its not the troopers that have the problem it's the civilians that were in charge and running roughshod over the generals. That have shown their incompetence. Those political appointees need to turn in their man cards and start wear the pink and yellow polka dot Suits they have earned.

Response by David Pitts made Oct 16 at 2018 6:49 PM

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#1 & #2 Sons are active Military

Response by SSG Scott Wolfertz made Oct 16 at 2018 6:51 PM

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Cry HAVOK, and let slip the Dogs of War!
Act 3, Scene 1, line 273 of William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar

Response by SGT Scott Ettinger made Oct 16 at 2018 6:53 PM

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That's a bullshit incendiary question...
The US military has been in constant combat for 17 years. They are probably the most highly honed and experienced force in the history of the world next to the Roman Empire!. Other countries have large militaries, but nothing proves or hardens like battle. The experience gained is immeasurable.

Response by CPL Adrian Peavy made Oct 16 at 2018 7:03 PM

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LOL...FUNNY HOW THEY LEAVE PUT 10TH MOUNTAIN

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 7:10 PM

2018-10-16T19:10:12-04:00

No but if you keep a dog on it's leash, it can only do but so much.

Response by SGT Tim Soyars made Oct 16 at 2018 8:30 PM

2018-10-16T20:30:36-04:00

“Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war”.

Bill Shakespeare

Response by SSG Ron Raade made Oct 16 at 2018 8:51 PM

2018-10-16T20:51:54-04:00

Really, is this a troll. If allowed to perform without fear of criminal prosecution and with common sense RoE, these are still some door busting badasses

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 9:02 PM

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My best NCOs and warrants came from the 82nd. They always left their teams better than when they took over. Why did my company exceed in all METL tasks? NCOs from the 82nd.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 9:28 PM

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⛩ the most bad ass unit out there...break the glass and let them do what they do

Response by CW2 Joe Costello made Oct 16 at 2018 10:14 PM

2018-10-16T22:14:07-04:00

What kind of dumbass question is that?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 16 at 2018 10:23 PM

2018-10-16T22:23:51-04:00

They are built more for conventional war instead counterinsurgecy.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2018 10:26 PM

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The 82nd is still a badass unit, however don't discount other badass units out there either. Ones with excellent pedegrees that predate the 82nd. For instance the 32nd Red Arrow. Don't believe me check the books.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 9:06 AM

2018-10-17T09:06:07-04:00

Pffffft. The 82d does not concern itself with the contemplations of legs.

Response by SSG Jeff Gerfen made Oct 17 at 2018 9:10 AM

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As a 1st Infantry Division Retired Soldier I think a Heavy Division would also be needed to give the 82nd, 101st, 1st Marine Division that extra firepower. But I agree with the rest remove the leash and let Soldiers Soldier and Generals general and change the ROE a lot and we won’t have a terrorist problem. Screw all the diplomatic stuff until the last terrorists is dead and the last bullet is fired.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Oct 17 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-10-17T11:29:57-04:00

Always thought the 2 ID was the best since the Vietnam war. It has been constantly deployed since before the Vietnam war. As far as I know, there has never been a time it wasn't combat ready.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 5:36 PM

2018-10-17T17:36:22-04:00

What does “take off the leash” mean to all you knuckleheads? Are you planning to just commit war crimes? You don’t think we need to discriminate between civilians and combatants or what? Because when I’ve deployed, we’re allowed to kill bad guys. I’m genuinely curious as to what you think the better method is.

Response by CPL Combat Veteran101 made Oct 17 at 2018 7:00 PM

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101st still holds the podium as the most feared division in the world..hooah Air Assault !

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 10:14 PM

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All the 82d talks about is jumping....jump,jump,jump. That’s it. But they didn’t jump into Afghanistan (Rangers did), they didn’t jump into Iraq (173rd). They weren’t even the first conventional boots on the ground in Afghanistan, that’s was Rakkasans and 87th (Climb to Glory) from 10th Mountain. I used to be stationed at NTC and a bde from 82d came out once and they got chopped up. They might be good at jumping but everyone is a leg once they hit the ground. I wasn’t impressed and haven’t seen or heard anything since the GWOT started to change my mind.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2018 10:29 PM

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No, I don't think so. I think that the loss of impressive value of the 82nd was due to the leadership that was in charge of it for the past decade or so. With an unqualified user any tool fails to reach its potential.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2018 6:21 AM

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One of the big problems is all the non airborne support units which ought to be under different command are now under the 82nd patch. The airborne tab means nothing anymore, you have to look out for the parachute badge. Even then there are those who wear the badge within division who have never jumped in division. I guess people felt like they were getting treated differently since they didnt have the maroon beret, and the new army caved and gave it to them.

The fact of the matter is that if you do cool stuff then you SHOULD be treated differently due to the inherent hazards of the duty. I'm a proponent of removing the airborne tab and beret from attached non airborne units and even non airborne personnel. When that happens, the beret will get it's ferocious reputation back.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2018 7:38 AM

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HELL NO!!! To even ask this question tells me all I need to know! It was posted by a LEG, who’s a MORON! 18hrs anywhere in the world! Force entry, meaning you can’t stop US from getting to your ASS! No other Unit in the U.S. Military can do this! Think about that! AIRBORNE! ATW!!!!

Response by SP5 Michael Chambers made Oct 18 at 2018 8:46 AM

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As a former 82nd Paratrooper I agree, take off the leash, point out the problem, and tell the men that there will be no questions asked. If the world fails to take notice they do so at thier own peril.

Response by SSG Joseph VanDyck made Oct 18 at 2018 10:07 AM

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Yes. A former 82nd para I knew while in DIV, went on to SF and then to 10th MTN, said that the 10th MTN spent more time in the field (mid 90's) per squad, platoon, company and battalion than the 82nd did. BS I say, speak not this heresy. He then explained that they didn't jump, so then they didn't have all the ancillary details involved. Fair enough I said.
Now the question was; has the 82nd lost its combat prowess and esprit de corps. Yes. 75th Ranger Regiment is now the premeire light infantry, plus running their own missions like a baby CAG. No longer are they the guards of DEVGRU or CAG.

Response by CPO Mark Halsten made Nov 6 at 2018 2:35 PM

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War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
William Tecumseh Sherman

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Nov 6 at 2018 8:18 PM

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Who said?

Response by SrA John Monette made Nov 6 at 2018 9:18 PM

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yes

Response by Ken Beck made Nov 7 at 2018 1:52 AM

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Remember when the press and marines rolled into Falluja to take that city? It was 5he 82nd that took the roads and bridges first to make sure the press got in safe with the marines. Now don't get your finster in a knott gunny, marines fought like hell too.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2018 9:21 AM

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82nd Airplane Gang? Let me tell you a story. Days after the fall of Baghdad. My battalion commander had control of his troops. We had hajis lined up at the ‘gate’ to sell us pallets of haji cokes and anything else we might want. We bought chicken with USDA inspection (from Claxton, GA, right outside FSGA) for a change of command BBQ. At exactly the same time, before the very first IED, the 82nd (next unit over) had dive-by shootings on their gate. Why the difference a mile or three away? They went downtown in small groups, ‘tuning up’ the locals for “failing to speak English” when they got bored. Untie their hands when we’re stuck in with Russia or China. Not before.

Response by SSG Ira Moore made Nov 7 at 2018 12:29 PM

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I was a member of th 82Abn. 1/508 inf “C” Co. , “Recon” Squad Ltr. I was a “leg”, and I have never been more proud. I think they are still an elite outfit, and if they have lost a step, it was forced on them!

Response by SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon made Nov 7 at 2018 6:39 PM

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"What everyone fears?" Fear is what the 82d puts in the enemy's heart.

Response by SGT Mark Estes made Nov 8 at 2018 12:45 AM

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Don’t think so!

Response by Joe Migaa made Nov 8 at 2018 5:25 PM

2018-11-08T17:25:31-05:00

Thanks

Response by SPC John Decker made Nov 23 at 2018 9:49 PM

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It's not just about the 82nd. It's about the U.S. Military in general. The President needs to insist on a declaration of war from Congress. Tell the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to make the enemy incapable of waging war. Bring everything we have, short of nuclear weapons, to bear and end the terrorist threat. Once and for all. This will renew the status of the U.S. Military as the strongest on the planet.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Mar 2 at 2019 5:22 PM

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Those big Army units I’m sure are a handful, theyre big, well trained, and well supported. Being a Jarhead we poke fun, but those units are certinly no joke to deal with.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 8:43 PM

2019-03-02T20:43:24-05:00

What about 1st civ “blue card” bde?

Response by SPC Richard Stengline made Mar 2 at 2019 9:11 PM

2019-03-02T21:11:01-05:00

Cut the dogs loose and tell them it's time to hunt you will see the fear they bring when let off the leash.

Response by Nicole Thomas made Mar 3 at 2019 5:58 AM

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My son was leading white falcon live fire exercises.
Thomas, Brandon M

Response by Lois Sanders made May 14 at 2019 4:41 PM

2019-05-14T16:41:51-04:00

Political correctness is the problem. It all started with Korea and got worse with Vietnam. When politicians get their hands off the Army and other forces things will change.

Response by SSG Don Homes made May 16 at 2019 6:35 AM

2019-05-16T06:35:15-04:00

Add 3ID, pull off the kiddy gloves, and get out of the way...