SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5614734 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Service Members and retired personnel, I am doing a research on how toxic leadership affects the service members career progression specifically at the time of deciding whether they want to stay in service or not. <br /><br />Most of us have had a first line leader, or company leadership that we can classify as toxic. The Army officially calls these leaders &quot;Counterproductive Leaders&quot;. Now, I&#39;m not talking about the leaders who enforce the standards, and I&#39;m not trying to defend the Soldiers who give below the minimum and try to blame it on others. My intent is to pick the brain of those enlisted and officers who had a great career plan and couldn&#39;t handle the treat by their leaders, or simply did not receive any leadership at all. <br /><br />ADP 6-22, 31 July 2019: The term toxic has been used when describing leaders who have engaged in what the Army now refers to as counterproductive leadership behaviors.<br /><br />American Military University<br />COMM120 2020-02-29T19:38:16-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5614734

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Service Members and retired personnel, I am doing a research on how toxic leadership affects the service members career progression specifically at the time of deciding whether they want to stay in service or not. <br /><br />Most of us have had a first line leader, or company leadership that we can classify as toxic. The Army officially calls these leaders &quot;Counterproductive Leaders&quot;. Now, I&#39;m not talking about the leaders who enforce the standards, and I&#39;m not trying to defend the Soldiers who give below the minimum and try to blame it on others. My intent is to pick the brain of those enlisted and officers who had a great career plan and couldn&#39;t handle the treat by their leaders, or simply did not receive any leadership at all. <br /><br />ADP 6-22, 31 July 2019: The term toxic has been used when describing leaders who have engaged in what the Army now refers to as counterproductive leadership behaviors.<br /><br />American Military University<br />COMM120

2020-02-29T19:38:16-05:00 2020-02-29T19:38:16-05:00 SFC Ralph E Kelley 5614762

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, but I&#39;ve met my share.

2020-02-29T19:46:09-05:00 2020-02-29T19:46:09-05:00 Sgt Private RallyPoint Member 5614812

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You have good leaders and bad leaders, or the latest buzzword for bad leaders. Bad leadership should not be a factor in someone leaving the military. Do you think the civilian world does not have as many bad leaders?

2020-02-29T20:22:10-05:00 2020-02-29T20:22:10-05:00 CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member 5614944

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It had zero impact. I tried to learn from both the great and not so great leaders, and adjust my conduct accordingly. I don&#39;t remember very many in charge that were sub standard for their grade.

2020-02-29T21:14:20-05:00 2020-02-29T21:14:20-05:00 SFC Casey O'Mally 5616067

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I stayed until retirement, so I can&#39;t claim it made a huge difference.<br />However.....<br />I re-enlisted indefinitely very shortly after my 10 year mark and for much of the last 8 years of my career, I regretted that decision, and chafed at my indefinite status.<br />I met very few toxic leaders in the 1st half of my career, and those were always counterbalanced by great leaders above them. I met many toxic leaders in the second half of my career, but at that point, I was stuck. Additionally, those toxic leaders had a greater impact on my career, because one bad NCOER doesn&#39;t hurt a SGT, and it can be overcome by a SSG. One bad NCOER pretty much torpedoes a SFC&#39;s chances of ever becoming a MSG. Additionally, being continuously assigned outside your MOS just so a leader can look good (I.e. I had excellent administrative skills, but was not in an admin MOS... Guess who was always in the O Room or 3 shop?) kills competitive chances at promotion.<br />So while I *did* stay until retirement, I also got out almost as soon as I could once I was eligoble for retirement.

2020-03-01T07:47:33-05:00 2020-03-01T07:47:33-05:00 SP5 Private RallyPoint Member 5616798

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1664082" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1664082-12h-construction-engineering-supervisor-465th-en-926th-en-bn">SSG Private RallyPoint Member</a> Most responses seem to key on the &quot;shout and scream&quot; component of toxic leadership. I think that the lack of direction or lack of encouragement by ROAD leaders may be a larger contributor of ETS than the louder model. Just not as obvious as it takes place.

2020-03-01T11:16:38-05:00 2020-03-01T11:16:38-05:00 MSG Danny Mathers 5617443

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I had a 1SG that was a total ass hat who had the whole company scared to death of him. He threatened to destroy my career and my marriage. I took the threat to the company commander. What did I do? I soldiered my ass off and waited him out. He had a list of all the enlisted he want to kicked out of the army and I was on top. This was in Germany, I departed with an EIB, a Pathfinder Professionalism Badge, Two ARCOM, and as a SSG(P). I was determined to go to Fort Bragg and Airborne which no one could stop me; Not even that asshole 1SG.

2020-03-01T15:20:25-05:00 2020-03-01T15:20:25-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5618307

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It absolutely has SSG. I had GREAT leadership at my last unit in Korea until the tail end. At that point, everything went downhill and I had ZERO desire to stay in any longer. Although discouraging at times, I have learned to push through it and try to provide better leadership to those in my sphere of influence. I have seen leaders who have tried to turn blame for their own mistakes on easier targets (junior soldiers) and I have seen leaders who are parade throwers - act great and caring in front of their superiors but behind closed doors, are the complete opposite. It is very unfortunate, and it is even more sad for me to see fellow NCOs act that way.

2020-03-01T20:02:29-05:00 2020-03-01T20:02:29-05:00 CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member 5619605

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I found that the only person able to impact my performance was me.

2020-03-02T07:39:53-05:00 2020-03-02T07:39:53-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 5620069

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Once upon a time, it convinced me to reclass AND separate frim the service. But then....I came back in 5.5 years later.

2020-03-02T10:07:34-05:00 2020-03-02T10:07:34-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 5620126

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Toxic leadership did not affect my decision to leave, being a reservist, I just transferred out of the unit into a unit in another command. This LTC that was toxic was finally removed from command after almost 2/3rds of the battalion had put in for transfers.

2020-03-02T10:27:34-05:00 2020-03-02T10:27:34-05:00 Cpl Tou Lee Yang 5631923

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, because they&#39;ll give you a bad evaluation and your career is basically over.

2020-03-05T15:51:03-05:00 2020-03-05T15:51:03-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 6605754

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>ABSOLUTELY. F this S ... I AM OUT

2020-12-24T15:07:24-05:00 2020-12-24T15:07:24-05:00 Sgt Mark F Jindrick 6842982

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A bit older than you probably are looking for but in late 73 as an E4 I had a slot waiting at the nco academy as soon as I reenlisted...due to some RHIP NONSENSE I had orders for my new PCS intentionally withheld, by orders of the Base commander among other difficulties....walked into the orderly room on my last day and said&quot; how do I get outof this chicken**** outfit&quot;....never looked back...if this is what reenlisting was going to get me, I was going to move on....

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