Has your opinion of Hillary evolved with the evolving scandals surrounding her?

CPT Jack Durish — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 09:39:03 -0500

Okay. My question isn't new. It was asked and answered four months ago, but a lot has happened since then, hasn't it? Most recently, according to the linked article, the IG has revealed that the State Department was colluding with Hillary by hiding the fact that they had never set up an email account for her while she was Secretary of State. Can you imagine that? The boss doesn't have an email account? Where were those emails from her originating? (BTW, didn't Hillary once complain about having to carry multiple devices for her "multiple" email accounts? It now appears that was a lie inasmuch as she only had the one in her bathroom.) Inquiring minds want to know...

Granted, as I learned while working in the PR biz, there (purportedly) is no such thing as bad PR. "Say anything you want about me, just spell my name correctly" was the touchstone of public relations. Well, let's test that theory. Has your opinion about Hillary changed.

Apparently I'm not permitted to create a poll question (at least that option never appeared while posting this) but I'd like to know: (1) I support Hillary, always have, always will or (2) I supported Hillary but my support has waned; or (3) I support Hillary, but my resolve is weakening; or (4) Never liked Hillary and the scandals have only served to prove me correct; or (5) Who's Hillary?

http://nypost.com/2016/01/31/this-was-all-planned-former-ig-says-hillary-state-dept-are-lying/

'This was all planned': Former IG says Hillary, State Dept. are lying

The State Department is lying when it says it didn’t know until it was too late that Hillary Clinton was improperly using personal emails and a private server to conduct official business — because...

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Feb 1 at 2016 9:40 AM

SSG Audwin Scott — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 09:40:56 -0500

Honestly my opinion of Hillary Clinton remains the same. I want be voting for her. I honestly at this point know who I will be voting for.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Feb 1 at 2016 9:46 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 09:46:11 -0500

Hasn't changed one bit, she lacks integrity and cares little about the truth being told when it comes to her affairs. Remember, this is the same lady that over 40-years ago was fired from the Watergate investigations for violating ethics, by members of her own party.

Response by MAJ David Wallace made Feb 1 at 2016 10:02 AM

MAJ David Wallace — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:02:33 -0500

My opinion about Hillary hasn't changed. Everyday that I see her, she confirms her disdain and loathing of the American people. She has always been angry, power hungry, and just plain evil. During Bill's time in the White House she tried to ban military uniforms from her sight. She is a dangerous, progressive woman hell bent on crippling our great nation. She is an elitist in every sense of the word. She doesn't have to play by the rule of law or The Constitution : that's for the "little people" that she's so eager to rule over.....Yep, every day confirms my view on Hill. Not to be trusted.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 10:03 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:03:36 -0500

What has changed in my opinion is my understanding of the length and breadth of her skullduggery. It seems that when it comes to scheming up ways to control how she is perceived, their is no limit to where she and her synchophants will go. But this is nothing new.
I have said for years now that the issue that really bothers me more than any other is the complete absence of decisiveness when things went South in Benghazi, and the grossly political calculations that went into how that incident was portrayed to the public. To reference her campaign ad when she was running against Barrack Obama in the primaries in 2008, the phone rang and she didn't answer. Now she wants to suggest that it was no big deal and she didn't know. Bull.
As someone that finds himself out in the boonies with just a satellite phone to call big brother if SHTF, it got my undivided attention when that call did not get answered.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 10:10 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:10:26 -0500

... we can wish ... we can always wish that people will change their mind when confronted with the truth.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 10:14 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:14:35 -0500

You mean all of those GOP faux scandals? Benghazi, RETROACTIVELY classified emails, Whitewater, etc.?

No, I've tuned out the 25 year conservative crusade against her long ago.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 1 at 2016 10:21 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:21:17 -0500

CPT Jack Durish, it's hard for me to believe that my opinion of her could worsen, but it has!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 10:23 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:23:03 -0500

Mine hasn't changed because this article is just the latest from someone who wasn't there and is not involved in the investigation bloviating. He states it would be impossible for her to do her job without email. But funny, when former SECDEF Gates stated that he never used email, no one blinked. And President Bush said he never used email. Here's a quote from Gates:

“Yeah, that’s a concern for me,” Gates said. “I never used email when I was head of CIA or head of the Department of Defense. As I used to joke, I didn’t want to have some chief of station overseas email me and say he was going to do something if I didn’t get back to him in three hours, and I would get back from a five hour hearing to discover I was two hours too late."

So when this latest guy claims it would be impossible for Hillary to do her job without email, that undercuts his credibility immediately. My opinion hasn't changed because everything that has come out about this investigation has been leaks by people who never actually quote sources involved in the investigation and instead just repeat a bunch of "it looks bad for Hillary" opinions from those NOT involved. Just this morning on Morning Joe, Andrea Mitchell, who has been in the business for decades with well developed sources, stated that her sources, including some actually involved in the investigation, said the focus wasn't so much on the emails themselves. This is because the emails seem to have generated from public sources. But rather, they are looking at what Hillary and her aides said in response to those emails to see if they mentioned classified stuff that way.

When Joe Scarborough heard that, he started stammering and stuttering, and continually tried to cut Andrea off, because that reporting didn't support the republican talking points. But bear in mind that Andrea actually said her sources were part of the investigations. None of the republican hit pieces claim that.

As an aside, many people can't believe there could be TS stuff there accidently. But let me give you an example. If you have ever read an article on the internet about the Snowden NSA document thefts, then there is a very good chance you have TS material on your computer. The DOD has sent out memos reminding everyone that just because wikileaks has released TS/SCI documents on the internet doesn't mean that info is now unclassified. In fact, DOD emphasized that it remains TS/SCI, and they direct DOD personnel not to visit wikileaks or view any of the leaked documents or else you are guilty of illegal use and storage of classified material.

Now, you may say I never read wikileaks. But think about this. When you read an article from a newspaper that says that the NSA monitored the phone conversations of this country's leader or that one, what do you think the source material is of that information? That's right--it came from a TS/SCI SAP. So if you have on your computer's temp internet file a cache copy of any article discussing anything about the Snowden leaks, you almost certainly have TS/SCI info on there. And you say it wasn't marked classified? So what. As former military, can you not figure out that the fact that we are monitoring a foreign country's leaders communications is highly classified? So did you all report this breach to the DOD, or did you think that since it came from an unclassified newspaper article that it must be OK? Hmmmm.

As I've said all along, the investigation will eventually release their results and we will see. But all this noise and speculation is just that. Just because you once read an SCI document and are sure you would get in trouble if you mishandled it doesn't qualify anyone to definitively state what Hillary did or what she is guilty of. They just don't know, and generally have no clue. There is a lot more involved in the classification of material than most would think. That's why it is not only possible but common for intel agencies to disagree about what is and isn't classified or SAP. It is just not the black or white answer lay people think it would be.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 1 at 2016 10:23 AM

SPC David S. — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:23:16 -0500

The thing I don't like about Hillary Clinton is that she lies habitually, but does so badly. I most definitely believe she abused her power as SoS to get rich. God knows what she would do as President. Very unethical and lacking in integrity.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 1 at 2016 10:28 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:28:58 -0500

I choose #4. Ever since the Clintons came on the scene corruption and greed have been the Modus operandi.

Response by PO2 Mark Saffell made Feb 1 at 2016 10:29 AM

PO2 Mark Saffell — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:29:35 -0500

A Strong Number 4. Cant stand her and the fact she has a total disregard for the law makes me hate her even more.

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Feb 1 at 2016 10:29 AM

Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:29:50 -0500

Yes, now I believe she absolutely belongs in jail vs the prior scandals to her email server. The prior scandals she was effective at making the issue seem complex but I absolutely know the law and what her responsibilities are when it comes to classification authority, official/classified information/records, and IT services. She willingly broke the law and I challenge anyone to show me where I could be wrong.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Feb 1 at 2016 10:56 AM

Sgt Jay Jones — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:56:47 -0500

CPT Jack Durish I guess I fall between #2 and #3. I am starting to have a lot of doubt about her honestly, especially since she has always had an excuse for every incident that has arisen. I am truly in a quandary now, because I am a conservative Democrat. The person I was rooting for (Jim Webb) has dropped out my other favorite choice is Martin O'Malley, but he is so far down in the polls I don't think he will survive to many primaries to make it to the one here in Texas. I am no supporter of Trump, Cruz, or Rubio. I think the best candidate thus far is Kaish, but like O'Malley, he is so far down in the polls that I don't think he will survive. I honestly don't know who to vote for this time for the first time in my life.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Feb 1 at 2016 11:23 AM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:23:13 -0500

(4). Because of my past VIP/SAM airlift experience, and with a friend on the White House staff, we already knew how much she dislikes and disrespects the military. The pattern of behavior and carefully constructed legal language she uses, has confirmed our (the VIP/SAM community) earlier beliefs.

Response by SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz made Feb 1 at 2016 11:33 AM

SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:33:06 -0500

#4 is the right answer.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Feb 1 at 2016 12:03 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:03:31 -0500

The case for Server-gate has been building for some time CPT Jack Durish. I am hopeful that the evidence for all applicable charges is being gathered in an undramatic manner [at least for those not directly involved] and that charges will be presented by early summer for all involved.

Response by PFC Carl Willmon made Feb 1 at 2016 12:06 PM

PFC Carl Willmon — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:06:43 -0500

you needed one more option so I pick 4.5 and that is neither liked or disliked her but with all the scandals and the obvious half truths or even outright lies she tells I have grown to absolutely despise her

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Feb 1 at 2016 12:45 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:45:29 -0500

(4)
I have been aware of Hillary's character and credibility for 23 years and nothing that she does or says surprises me any longer. I am constantly amazed and disappointed at those that support her despite the clear evidence of her corruption in detail, however.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Feb 1 at 2016 12:46 PM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:46:57 -0500

My opinion hasn't really changed. I have always known that she is a scumbag.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Feb 1 at 2016 1:33 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 13:33:26 -0500

I have the same opinion about her now that I have always had. Both she and her husband are nothing more than lying, corrupt politicians who will do anything to get elected and make money.

She deserves to be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned. Anything less is a mockery of our criminal justice system. If the Obama Administration sweeps this under the rug, I hope there is a backlash that makes the "Black Lives Matter", "Occupy Wall Street", and other such BS pale in comparison.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Feb 1 at 2016 2:08 PM

CSM David Heidke — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:08:27 -0500

Captain, if you had done this, what would have happened?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 2:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 14:58:25 -0500

I live in a cave, so I pick # 5!

Response by PO1 John Miller made Feb 1 at 2016 3:10 PM

PO1 John Miller — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 15:10:42 -0500

I've always thought she was bug shit crazy, so that hasn't changed.

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Feb 1 at 2016 3:26 PM

SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 15:26:47 -0500

No changes here. Three words about Hillary for 2016: JUST SAY NO!

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Feb 1 at 2016 5:07 PM

LTC Kevin B. — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:07:44 -0500

No change at all. Not excited at all about her candidacy, but also not a hater.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2016 5:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:43:49 -0500

She should be in jail, for multiple reasons. The fact is that it is insulting that she feels entitled to the presidency. Her and her husband have been scamming the government and the people since bill left office. Not only did she violate her NDA, she did it knowingly. She built the server system to avoid FOIA request. She should be in jail, not country club jail, but protect my anus jail.

Response by CPO Frank Coluccio made Feb 2 at 2016 1:56 PM

CPO Frank Coluccio — Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:56:38 -0500

Most definitely #4. I have despised ALL Clinton's since Bill's "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" moment under oath to the Grand Jury, then two hours later admitted the relationship, and Hillary's treatment of Bill's sexual assault victims.
IMO, ANYONE who supports the Clintons in ANY manner are morally and ethically corrupt. They see themselves as above the law and standards of conduct that "we" are expected to adhere to, don't apply to them. Case in point; Brian Williams embellishes the helicopter incident in Iraq and is forced to resign as NBC news anchor, yet Hillary can make a claim that she had to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia:
“I remember landing under sniper fire,” Clinton said during a George Washington University campaign event on March 17, 2008. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
When there is AMPLE video evidence that FULLY and COMPLETELY discredits her "version." Yet she is forgiven by just saying “So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I’m human, which for some people is a revelation.”
I won't even go in to her email scandal and the OVER 1300 " Classified" emails found on her PRIVATE server, with 26 being classified TOP SECRET and ABOVE!!!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2016 8:33 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:33:40 -0500

former IG???

Response by PO2 Robert Tigner made Feb 2 at 2016 9:00 PM

PO2 Robert Tigner — Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:00:21 -0500

Number 4. My opinion has only been confirmed. For years I have thought the two Clintons were corrupt since Arkansas. Maybe now the lazy voters and independents are finally figuring it out. Call me hopeful.