Here we go again: New female uniform items on the way?

CDR Laurel Meadows — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:44:32 -0400

If you are going to change the cover, you might as well change the tie also.
I can't see how this will stay on in the wind, but then, I'm old school
https://www.dvidshub.net/video/415781/all-hands-update-new-female-uniforms-horizon#.VdnbJorF8pB

All Hands Update: New Female Uniforms on the Horizon

The new uniforms are expected to be for sale fall of 2016.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Aug 23 at 2015 10:56 AM

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:56:13 -0400

I get adding of pockets for cell phone in the dress uniform because putting it in my sock sucked. I did not catch the hat part. Are you talking about how they want to switch women to the Dixi cup?

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 2:08 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:08:33 -0400

Excellent article ma'am. The neck tab has always cracked me up a bit. I would say that I understand both sides of this. However if we're going to make all of the uniforms gender neutral, then we need to make sure they work equally well for both males and females.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2015 5:03 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:03:01 -0400

Why do they want us to look more like men? Why not celebrate our femininity rather than making us look more masculine? Plus if they're going to "fix" the uniform, they should strongly consider lowering the waist bands and getting rid of the mom-Jean style khaki and summer white pants. Those look terrible on almost all body types.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Aug 28 at 2015 2:51 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:51:42 -0400

Response by PO1 Don Hand made Sep 1 at 2015 1:03 PM

PO1 Don Hand — Tue, 01 Sep 2015 13:03:05 -0400

As long as the idiots in the Ivory Tower keep fiddling with uniform changes then it makes it that much harder to establish credibility. How many times have my Marine, Soldier and Airman Brothers giggled at the Stupidity of the Navy Sea-bag?

Give Sailors a comfortable, durable and nautical looking uniform. The only problem with Dungarees were the pants. All they needed were legitimate pockets. The new dungarees were excellent, the coveralls were excellent. But the Aquaflag is simply stupid at every angle.

With regard to women's uniforms, follow the pattern of the male working uniform. I don't have to wear a skirt, why should they? For dress, I'm full on okay with a female cracker jack. But only if the pants are equally disturbing for overweight female Sailors as they are for overweight guys. And yes, the Dixie cup for both should be the case. I am proud of my dixie cup and keep one on my shelf with all my other ballcaps.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Sep 1 at 2015 4:16 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:16:35 -0400

When worn properly, the new combination cover looks much more professional than the bucket hat, IMHO, and yes I agree the "tie" needs to go too. If we are changing the cover for uniformity, does that ribbon of a tie really make sense? As a younger sailor, ladies always loved my Crackerjacks in both White and Blue and looked good in them too. Sailors need to look like Sailors, not two different Services. All of the pictures I have seen of women in new uniforms show professional looking Sailors.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2015 5:56 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Sep 2015 17:56:00 -0400

Men have been dealing with the wind for years. I am glad to see this change.

Response by PO2 Gerry Tandberg made Sep 2 at 2015 9:08 AM

PO2 Gerry Tandberg — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 09:08:36 -0400

Seriously? Why would any woman want the same uniform as the men? Women in Cracker Jacks looks ridiculous. A woman in a Dixie Cup is about as odd looking as a Labrador with a poodle cut. In civilian life do you see men and women dressed alike? I personally like to see woman's service uniforms as being distinctly different, yet complementary to the uniforms worn by men. Woman are shaped different, think different, and move different; and thats a GOOD thing. For the men: yeah give me some pockets and a place to store my cell phone. Lord forbid the next uniform change could have us all carrying purses. Enough already!

Response by PO1 Kyle Crippen made Sep 2 at 2015 12:10 PM

PO1 Kyle Crippen — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 12:10:49 -0400

Not speaking on just women's uniforms, I wish they would keep the E-6 and below completely different than E-7 and above. Or just have one dress uniform and one working.
E-7 and above deserve the separation.

Response by SCPO Penny Douphinett made Sep 2 at 2015 5:20 PM

SCPO Penny Douphinett — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 17:20:32 -0400

The only constant is change! Those covers make the women look like train conductors, not naval personnel. Believe it or not, the tie has improved, it no longer resembles too much the Bozo the Clown one we wore in the early '80s. I don't think the Navy will be serious about uniform changes for women until they do away with skirts completely. We are all supposed to be warriors and uniforms are mean to be uniform yet nothing breaks up a formation more than skirts and heels. Unless of course the Navy wants to put everyone in skirts and heels? Just kidding - don't attack!

I originally wore Salt and Pepper and Winter Working Blues day to day and all personnel wore Service Dress Blue. It was u-n-i-f-o-r-m. Women did have 3 covers to choose from for day-to-day wear, but this was based on different hairstyles need different covers. Of course, this was in Washington, D.C. and we wore civilian clothes 4 days a week until 1981; apparently protesters didn't target us on Wednesdays when we all wore our uniforms.

Response by CAPT James McClure made Sep 2 at 2015 6:00 PM

CAPT James McClure — Wed, 02 Sep 2015 18:00:20 -0400

A theory I heard at the War College years ago is that the CNO has a lot of influence on future directions, such as the next generation of ships, but much of what he does does not have an immediate, visible impact. One way in which CNOs can make their presence felt is to change the uniforms. (In my day it was ADM Zumwalt relaxing haircut standards and authorizing beards.)

Response by MCPO Dennis Didier made Sep 3 at 2015 8:22 AM

MCPO Dennis Didier — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 08:22:38 -0400

Oh God, stop it. In the 70's, we got rid of our cracker jacks and wore CPO/Officer uniforms but with silver buttons. I was a first class at the time and it felt strange. The uniform was double-knit, another bad idea, and sagged immediately after putting it on. Then I made chief, and had to change the buttons, and later made senior chief and master chief; only having to ad star(s). I kept the same combination cap, only changing the black band and devices as I advanced. I guess it was a good idea to have us all in one uniform, but as a first class, it just didn't seem "sailor" like. And the poor women were constantly changing uniforms. And what moron thought up the Navy camies?

Response by PO2 Angelika Laist made Sep 3 at 2015 2:21 PM

PO2 Angelika Laist — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:21:34 -0400

i still don't know what was ever wrong with the old uniforms...............ridiculous! Just more money to spend yet again. Glad i'm out!

Response by PO2 Nick Burke made Sep 3 at 2015 2:42 PM

PO2 Nick Burke — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:42:11 -0400

The Navy had those covers for all in the early 80s. They went with the salt and peppers. (white shirt/black pants).

Response by PO2 Nick Burke made Sep 3 at 2015 2:45 PM

PO2 Nick Burke — Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:45:47 -0400

Maybe the Knucleheads should spend a little more time and effort making sure the daily uniforms are safe for shipboard use. Not like the current NWUs.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 12 at 2016 6:51 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 12 May 2016 18:51:47 -0400

How else are those Morons on the Uniform Board going to Justify their Positions.