How are recruits receiving the NDSM without being assigned overseas?

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Response by PFC Zanie Young made Oct 14 at 2016 11:48 AM

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I'm asking this because I have a nephew in the regular army who doesn't think he received this yet, but I also have a niece who is in the Army Reserve who has one but has not been deployed as of yet.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 2:20 PM

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BACKGROUND:

a. The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) was established by President Eisenhower per Executive Order 10448, dated 22 April 1953, for service between 27 June 1950 and a date to be announced. On 17 June 1954, the Chief of Staff approved establishment of 27 July 1954 as the termination date for award of the NDSM. Executive Order 11265, dated 11 January 1966, amended Executive Order 10488, to include a termination date and authorized the Secretary of Defense to establish periods of eligibility subsequent to 31 December 1960. Eligibility for award, commencing with the period after 31 December 1960, was established by DOD Directive 1348.7, dated 1 April 1966, and terminated effective 15 August 1974, per letter from Manpower and Reserve Affairs, subject: Termination of Eligibility for the National Defense Service Medal, dated 30 June 1974. The NDSM was again authorized by memorandum, dated 20 February 1991, from Secretary of Defense Cheney for active service on or after 2 August 1990 with no termination date established. The termination date was later established as 30 November 1995. The NDSM was reinstated by memorandum from The Deputy Secretary of Defense, dated 26 April 2002, from 11 September 2001 to a termination date to be determined in the future.

b. The Heraldic Division, Quartermaster General’s Office, was requested to provide proposed designs for the NDSM and designs created by Mr. T. H. Jones were submitted to the G1 on 26 May 1953. A committee appointed by DOD, which included representatives of all services, met on 27 May 1953 and 3 June 1953 and selected the design for final approval. The eagle, our National emblem, together with the shield of the Coat of Arms of the United States is used to symbolize the defense of the United States. The combination of oak and palm leaves signify strength and preparedness.

CRITERIA:

a. The National Defense Service Medal was awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and between 11 September 2001 and a closing date to be determined. For the purpose of the award, the following persons will not be considered as performing active service:

(1) Guard and Reserve forces personnel on short tours of duty to fulfill training obligations under an inactive duty training program.

(2) Any person on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.

(3) Any person on temporary active duty to serve on boards, courts, commissions and like organizations or on active duty for purposes other than extended active duty.

(4) A one time only exception, for members of the Army National Guard and United States Army Reserve, who were part of the selected reserve in good standing, was authorized, per executive orders 12778, dated 18 October 1991, for the period 2 August 1990 to 30 November 1995.

b. The National Defense Service Medal may be awarded to members of the Reserve Components who are ordered to Federal active duty, regardless of duration, except for the categories listed above. Any member of the Guard or Reserve who, after 31 December 1960, becomes eligible for the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Vietnam Service Medal or the Southwest Asia Service Medal is also eligible for the National Defense Service Medal.

c. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. Second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for soldiers who served in one or more of the four qualifying time periods. It is not authorized for soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility.

d. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above, upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.

e. The NDSM may be issued posthumously.
https://awards.navy.mil/awards/webapp01.nsf/(vwAwardsDisp)/AW-10052085MSL2?OpenDocument

NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL (ND)

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 2:56 PM

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PFC Zanie Young Any Soldier that joins during conflict.....and until such time as an end date is assigned to the current issuing of the NDSM, ALL new recruits are authorized it. AR 600-8-22, Section 2-10 on page 28. It states:

2–10. National Defense Service Medal
a. The NDSM was established by EO 10448, 22 April 1953, as amended by EO 11265, 11 January 1966; EO 12776, 18 October 1991, as amended by EO 13293, 28 March 2003 and Secretary of Defense Memorandum, dated 26 April 2002; and EO 13293, dated 28 March 2003.
b. It is awarded for honorable active service for any period between:
(1) 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954 (Korea), both dates inclusive.
(2) 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974 (Vietnam), both dates inclusive.
(3) 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 (Persian Gulf).
(4) 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined (Global War on Terrorism).
c. During the periods listed in paragraph 2–10b(1) and (2) for Korea and Vietnam, Servicemembers in the following categories will not be eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Members of the ARNG and USAR on short tours of duty to fulfill training obligations under an inactive duty training program.
(2) Any Servicemember on temporary duty (TDY) or temporary active duty to serve on boards, courts, commissions, and like organizations.
(3) Any Servicemember on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
d. During the period listed in paragraph 2–10b(3) for Persian Gulf, Servicemembers on active duty, members of the Selected Reserve in good standing, and Servicemembers of other than the Selected Reserve who were called to active duty will also be eligible. Servicemembers in the following categories will not be eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Any Servicemember on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
(2) Any Soldier of the Individual Ready Reserve, Inactive National Guard, or the Standby or Retired Reserve whose active duty service was for training only, or to serve on boards, courts, commissions, and like organizations.
e. During the period listed in paragraph 2–10b(4) for Global War on Terrorism, Servicemembers on active duty, which includes extended eligibility for award of the NDSM to the Selected Reserve in good standing will also be eligible.
f. Notwithstanding these limitations, any member of the USCG or the USAR or ARNG Forces of the Armed Forces who, between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974, became eligible for award of either the AFEM or the VSM; or between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995, became eligible for award of the SWASM will be eligible for award of the NDSM.
g. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a bronze service star will be worn on the Service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. A second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for Soldiers who served in two or more of the four time periods listed in paragraph 2–10a. It is not authorized for Soldiers who met the criteria in a one-time period, left active duty, and returned during the same period of eligibility (see chap 6 for service stars).
h. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above, upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.
i. The NDSM may be awarded posthumously

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 4:28 PM

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I received the NDSM shortly before taking the formal picture in RTC. Anyone who enlists during a time of conflict is authorized this medal. Should we find ourselves in a time of peace and then return to another conflict, anyone with the NCSM will receive a star in lieu of their second award.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Oct 14 at 2016 8:50 PM

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Had to chuckle because my PN took it on herself to ensure my service record had the two bronze stars added because she wanted my crew to recognize a living fossil when they saw it. I handed her a diet beer at the next command BBQ.

I remember getting it in boot. The CC made us recite what the colors were for: "Red is for the blood I haven't shed, blue is for the seas I've never sailed, white for the skies I never flew, and yellow is the reason why." He made us recite more colorful stuff too, not unlike the Gunny in FMJ.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 9:29 PM

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In short anyone who serves in any Branch in any Component during a period of War or Conflict will receive the NDSM. If they go overseas they'll receive an Overseas Training Ribbon, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Service Medal or Campaign Medal.

AR 600-8-22

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Oct 17 at 2016 10:39 PM

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There is no deployment required for the NDSM. Simple service during the specified dates of conflict is all that is required for eligibility.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Oct 19 at 2016 5:16 PM

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I received my first NDSM upon graduation from basic in 1995 because the war act for the Gulf War was still active. The same goes for right now Obama is using Bush's decoration of war on Iraq for OEF to invade Syria because of this everyone going through basic still receives this award.

Response by SPC Roger Giffen made Oct 19 at 2016 5:36 PM

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Being in the military during time of conflict. I received mine in 1974. In 1975, after we were out of Viet Nam, I saw SM that were not issued the ribbon

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Oct 19 at 2016 6:23 PM

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I don't know why they just don't go ahead and award the NDSM for Cold War service and be done with it. Those of us who have served since and those who also served in Vietnam just get another little star and those who only served during that period get the medal. No need to design and issue another medal so they can keep costs down and people get the recognition they deserve.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Oct 19 at 2016 8:50 PM

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I never saw it actually issued to anyone. We were simply told to get one and wear it when we were processing in at the reception station. In the old days it was sometimes the only medal that a person got.

Response by Cpl Joshua Malinowski made Oct 20 at 2016 3:44 AM

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Read the awards manual for your service. You will learn a lot more than by getting an answer from someone else.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Oct 20 at 2016 3:26 PM

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Well because it has nothing to do with being overseas.... The NDSM is for enlisting or serving during a time of War. You're thinking of the overseas service ribbon.

Response by Cpl Dan A. made Jan 30 at 2017 10:44 AM

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We called it the "pizza stain." In the USMC, getting a medal right out of boot camp rendered it meaningless.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 12:19 PM

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Why this was put under GWOT... PFC why not ask one of your Specialists or Sgt's?

Response by SSgt Stephen Mills made Jan 30 at 2017 12:28 PM

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In the Corps I was known at the Fire Watch ribbon. Because everybody on AD got it, just for breathing on AD. Since everybody did Fire Watch it sounds better than the, I have a pulse and breathing award.

Response by CPO John Hopkins made Jan 30 at 2017 1:42 PM

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In the Navy we called it the 'Geedunk' medal, everybody got one, so long as they were breathing

Response by PO2 Paul Hartnagel made Jan 30 at 2017 4:15 PM

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NDSM and membership in the American Legion go by dates of wearing the uniform not by duty station. Membership in the VFW requires deployment to a foreign land or water with the distinct possibility of being shot at. I do not wear a NDSM nor can I join the American Legion because my dates of service were 15OCT1975 to 14OCT1981. I do however wear three Navy Expeditionary Medals which do qualify me for my membership in the VFW. Don't ask me how I got "wartime" medals in peacetime, if I told you I'd have to ......

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made Jan 30 at 2017 4:54 PM

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My question is why does it even bother you, it's a firewatch medal, now if it was a medal that mattered it would be something to worry about but this is like this generations participation trophies "we know you did nothing and never left the states but here's your medal we don't want you to feel bad and left out, you at least participated"

Response by Amber Sgro made Jan 30 at 2017 4:59 PM

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I'm waiting for the i deployed to Kuwait combat patch. Wait that's a deployment right?

Response by Cpl Joel Diones made Jan 30 at 2017 5:12 PM

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Who said you have to go overseas to get that???

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 5:43 PM

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This is one of those posts that could have been better answered if the Service Member would just read the Regs

Response by SFC Steve Brazil made Jan 30 at 2017 7:01 PM

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My question is if they signed up to defend this great nation then why not? I earned two the hard way. Still they signed that same check for up and including their life. Pin it on them.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jan 30 at 2017 7:19 PM

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Seem to recall this and the "Alive in 65" as my only 2 ribbons for many years up until I deployed to Vietnam theater.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 7:23 PM

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Well as far as I can tell it's a good way to spot posers. They like to go for the more believable awards: 2 star CIB, Silver Star, Service Crosses, but they wouldn't dare add the highly coveted and difficult to obtain NDSM to their Hallowen costume. That'd just be crazy!

Typically you'll have campaign or otherwise specific overseas service medals, or more likely expeditionary service medals which serve to indicate actually being somewhere doing things.

Response by 1LT Aaron Pederson made Jan 30 at 2017 8:49 PM

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Reservists or Guardsman have all said, "Hey, I'll go overseas if needed" by enlisting or commissioning during time of conflict or war. It's a badge of honor for those who have volunteered during tomultuous times; Guard/Reserve or Active.

Response by SCPO John-florida Killin made Jan 30 at 2017 9:04 PM

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Stupid question...just read the award criteria.

Response by PO2 Rich Pratt made Jan 30 at 2017 9:54 PM

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We used to call it the CNN observers medal.

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Jan 30 at 2017 10:39 PM

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It's a SERVICE award, and wearing it isn't mandatory. If you have an issue with it, don't wear it. Find something more important to bitch about.

Response by PO2 Christopher Sennett made Jan 31 at 2017 12:47 AM

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They are being awarded the medal because they meet the requirements for the medal. There is no requirement for deploying to receive it, only service during conflict as authorized.

Response by SFC Kenneth Kanach made Jan 31 at 2017 1:59 AM

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I call it the Catsup and Mustard award, it's a participation medal.

Response by SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA made Jan 31 at 2017 2:33 AM

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People who complete basic training successfully are authorized to wear the medal. Deployment is not necessary. At the end of basic, each person is infantry until they enter into advanced training.

Response by SGT Aaron Tollman made Jan 31 at 2017 8:12 AM

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I encourage all new Soldiers, Sailors, Airman, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen to read their respective regulations; especially those pertaining to your job, uniform and appearance, weapons, and awards and decorations. you should probably familiarize yourself with the regs of shops you work with often. Sound like a lot of reading? It is... professionals know their jobs, and the relevant parts of the jobs they interact with. This may seem boring, but knowledge is power and knowledgeable leaders are the best leaders.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Jan 31 at 2017 8:26 AM

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How else could a slick sleeve Airman have 2 ribbons before reporting to their first duty station.
NDM is okay, but one for graduating from basic training, but that is another discussion.

Response by PO3 Christopher Treasure made Jan 31 at 2017 10:36 AM

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We called it the geedunk medal since everyone got one coming out of boot anp

Response by PO1 Don Hand made Jan 31 at 2017 11:02 AM

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WRT this medal, often scoffed at as the "McDonald's ribbon". It's actually one of the few that I am proud of. And bear with me.

During Desert Storm, our CICO, Warrant Officer Davies ("My last shore duty was RD"A" school...") came into CIC in dress khakis, with his ribbons on. (USS Bunker Hill CG-52) and I thought this a bit odd. And he had an odd look on his face as well. So, being a young OS turd class I asked "What's up Sir?..." And he looked down at his NDSM which now had a bronze star and said "Do you know what this is?" And I said, yeah, it's that national defense thingy ya'll got for being in the navy during Vietnam..."

He kind of laughed, and said, "Well, today is a hard day for me, because I put a star in lieu of second award on... As of today, you all have earned your National Defense medal..." It kind of took me aback. Kind of reminded me of the thin blue line I stood behind. And I never disrespected it again.

Years later, as an LPO, and after 9/11 I called together the new guys, and handed them NDSM's and told them the story about how I am sorry that the world was an ugly place, but proud to serve with them and glad that they chose to serve. I told them about Warrant Officer Davies, Vietnam and Desert Storm. And I am grateful that they ignored the tears in my eyes.

Many of them now rate a salute, and all went on to wear anchors. A road I never went down.

No, this medal, and my sea service ribbon mean more to me than any other NAM, COMM or campaign ribbon I wear. Because it reminds me of the blue line and the shoulders I stood on...

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Jan 31 at 2017 11:20 AM

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Those things are issued in Basic Training in time of Conflict. Oddly enough, we weren't issued them and Vietnam was pretty much in full swing in '65. Got it when I got the rest of my stuff from the Deployment to Nam. We called it the Geedunk medal.

Response by PO3 C.Wayne Hansen made Jan 31 at 2017 1:15 PM

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It's your Governments Participation medal...

Response by Cpl Ernest Thom made Jan 31 at 2017 4:18 PM

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The same as giving everyone a trophy.. Most medals mean nothing anymore. For the few I was awarded (GIVEN) I respectfully told them to put the paper in the head for toilet paper because that's what they're good for, wiping my a**!

Response by Cpl Thomas Woods made Jan 31 at 2017 5:09 PM

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Marines call it the "Firewatch Ribbon", but what it DOES actually signify is that you had the balls to either join, or serve, during a time when it could very well get you killed.

Response by SGM Joe Young made Jan 31 at 2017 6:22 PM

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I retired with two stars on mine also. All it did was to reaffirm everyone's thoughts that the SGM was old.....lol

Response by GySgt Lawrence Clark made Jan 31 at 2017 7:38 PM

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The NDSM was awarded even to Reserve recruits that served a minimum of six months on active duty. In the Corps we called it the "Fire watch Ribbon." "Blues for the waters we will never cross, whites for the eyes we will never see, reds for the blood we will never shed and the yellow is the reason why!" I have three, for Viet Nam, Desert Storm and Iraq/Afghanistan.

Response by SPC Glenn Robison made Jan 31 at 2017 7:58 PM

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I was in from 1983 to 1992 in the guard, not on my service record. I have 7 months active duty. not deployed. Are you saying I should have one?

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2017 8:25 PM

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It's simple the Army above all other services like to build our racks of medals for all sorts of things. Finish basic here is a medal, oh other people are fighting a war even though you may not be here is a medal, oh you are moving bases here is a medal. It's part of the dog and pony show of the Army. Give a soldier a medal for anything and they will feel more pride and maybe work harder.

Response by SFC George Gutzmer made Jan 31 at 2017 10:31 PM

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As a Drill Sergeant in FT. Jackson SC it was an honor for me to help the troops install their NDSM the night before graduation, and to teach them what it stood for and why they were receiving it.I was big on explaining what the step they had taken to become Soldiers really meant, and how serious that commitment was, and to take pride in their decision.

Response by LT Zane Pulliam made Jan 31 at 2017 10:37 PM

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1968, we told everyone (Navy) .. the blue was for the sea we never sailed, the red was for the blood I never bleed, and the yellow was for the big ole streak down our back

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Jan 31 at 2017 11:29 PM

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I got one of those because my ETS was 5 Aug 1990, three days after Iraq invaded Kuwait. About as useful as the I lived and breathed ribbon I got for completing basic.

Response by SGT Justin Allemang made Feb 1 at 2017 12:17 AM

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Sounds like someone needs to start studying for the board. Pretty sure it's covered in the big green book.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 5:05 AM

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PFC Zanie Young There is no requirement to be deployed to earn this service medal. AR 600-8-2 Military Awards states:
2–10. National Defense Service Medal
a. The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) was established by Executive Order (EO) 10448, 22 April 1953, as amended by EO 11265, 11 January 1966; EO 12776, 18 October 1991, as amended by EO 13293, 28 March 2003 and Secretary of Defense Memorandum, dated 26 April 2002; and EO 13293, dated 28 March 2003.
b. It is awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954, both dates inclusive; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974, both dates inclusive; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995; and from 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. During these periods, service members in the following categories will not be eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Members of the Army National Guard and U.S. Army Reserve on short tours of duty to fulfill training obligations under an inactive duty training program.
(2) Any service member on temporary duty (TDY) or temporary active duty (TAD) to serve on boards, courts, commissions, and like organizations.
(3) Any service member on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
c. Honorable service as a member of the Armed Forces of the United States for any period between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Service members on active duty, members of the Selected Reserve in good standing, and members of other than the Selected Reserve who were called to active
duty will also be eligible. During these periods, service members in the following categories will not be considered eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Any service member on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
(2) Any Soldier of the Individual Ready Reserve, Inactive National Guard, or the standby or retired reserve whose active duty service was for training only, or to serve on boards, courts, commissions and like organizations.
d. Notwithstanding these limitations, any member of the United States Coast Guard or the Reserve or Guard Forces of the Armed Forces who, between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974, became eligible for award of either the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal or the Vietnam Service Medal or between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995, became
eligible for award of the Southwest Asia Service Medal will be eligible for award of the NDSM.
e. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. A second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for Soldiers who served in one or more of the four time periods listed in a above. It is not authorized for Soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility. (See chap 6 for service stars.)
f. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above, upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.
g. The NDSM may be awarded posthumously.

Response by MSgt Steven Valentine made Feb 1 at 2017 7:41 AM

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If you serve during a time of war....you get it

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Feb 1 at 2017 10:02 AM

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I was awarded this service ribbon & many others for my active duty for 88-96. I feel that if you are listed as deployable and on active duty you should be issued it under orders & be allowed to wear it on your dress uniform. But not new soldiers that wont be deployed if needed,untill fully trained. Just my 2 cents.(old school vet)im sure i will catch some flack.:)

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 11:26 AM

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It's funny when boots think they know something.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Feb 1 at 2017 2:45 PM

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Sounds pretty self-explanatory to me... I was in '82-'85, (no official conflict), so I don't have one; had I stayed in past 2Aug1990, I would... simple.

Response by SSgt Nick Kuzy made Feb 1 at 2017 3:05 PM

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I was under the impression that this was a one time award, didn't realize you could get awarded it twice....
Who are we trying to impress?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 3:24 PM

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So PVT. Young,
The question is when you are going to ask your question. Who is it you want to break one off in?

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Feb 1 at 2017 4:08 PM

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As I understand the NDSM is award to service members entering the military during a time of any war or conflict. The prerequisite is continuously update by the Heraldry folks as necessary. You can google any award and you can determine the award criteria.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Feb 1 at 2017 4:10 PM

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The National Defense Service Medal is authorized for the following time periods:[2]
War From To
Korean War June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 Present day

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Feb 1 at 2017 6:32 PM

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Like to see it changed to only granted to those born inside the U.S to mothers that ate legal permanent residents or U.S. citizens.

It stop to birth tourism, and folks that live in mexico and walk to the border when the water breaks.

And i seen both of those examples a few times a month

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 10:22 PM

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Well this is just another p.o.s. fancy dollar that you'll have to spend on your dress uniform, it is a fire watch ribbon, given to anyone who serves during a declared conflict. Desert storm for example, or OIF/OEF is one single conflict not 2. So for example I joined the USMC in 1995, but I was one month shy of getting the fire watch ribbon, then I served overseas in 2001 through 2014 multiple deployments a year at a time and therefore I only get 1 NDSR OR FIRE WATCH RIBBON, yet any recruit that attended basic or bootcamp during that time receives the same medal, because they served during that time. A bronze star would mean a separate conflict... For example desert storm vet, then deployed to OIF or OEF. 2 separate conflicts witch is not impossible. Having 2 bronze stars would mean you were in 3 separate conflicts, such would put someone dated back quite a while, meaning about 40 plus years of service and that is impressive. The reality is if you put faith in ribbons and medals, you are probably in the wrong business. It costs 4-6 dollars to buy one these today, so when its time to do the dog and pony, the gov. Ain't exactly caring about how you got them. Here's one more for you. I was young once, and oh was purple heart a big deal listening to the stories of my grandfather and father, etc. The purple heart is not a trophy... It is not something you want to win, it is a sign of "you had a really fucked up shitty day and were less lucky than the Bastard next to you..."

Response by PO1 Carl Collins Jr. made Feb 2 at 2017 12:39 AM

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Anyone who steps up and volunteers during times of conflict deserves a bit of recognicion no matter what Uncle Sugar does with him after that.

Response by PO1 Carl Collins Jr. made Feb 2 at 2017 12:40 AM

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My third Honorable Discharge Doodad. :)

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 2 at 2017 12:45 AM

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It is based on the era, not the location...

Response by PO2 Patrick Scheier made Feb 2 at 2017 11:08 AM

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During the first Gulf War, being stuck in San Diego, we called it the " I Watched It On CNN" medal.

Response by SGT Jeremy Grim made Feb 2 at 2017 1:30 PM

2017-02-02T13:30:33-05:00

My blue cord is the award I am most proud of. It is something that so many men have earned before me and so many men and now women will earn after me. For me it shows that I belong to a long line of brotherhood. Something that is much greater then myself or any one man! I take great pride in saying I am an infantryman. I am proud to say that I went to the war in Afghanistan and I closed with and killed the enemies of the Untied States and her ppl. True blue and how we make the green grass grow and why the sky is blue. Because God loves the infantry. And the green grass grows by being water from the blood of our nations enemies!

Response by MSG Robert Muehlhausen made Feb 2 at 2017 3:15 PM

2017-02-02T15:15:43-05:00

It's a participation trophy lol

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Feb 2 at 2017 6:11 PM

2017-02-02T18:11:51-05:00

For this award to be given out some needs to Read AR 600-22 it clearly states who is authorized to wear it and Gives years people who can wear.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
USA VET

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Feb 2 at 2017 6:25 PM

2017-02-02T18:25:43-05:00

READ AR600-8-22 Par 2-10 tells the date which people who are authorized to wear it.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
US ARMY VET

Response by Cpl Wally Gervas made Feb 8 at 2017 8:06 AM

2017-02-08T08:06:25-05:00

Gunny, firewatch ribbon it is. We got ours, little did we know that Nam and cambosia would act up again.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Feb 28 at 2017 6:15 AM

2017-02-28T06:15:15-05:00

Do not be to hard on them new guys, this is not an overseas ribbon, We all go where we are sent and it takes front line and rear support to make the Army go around. The new guys are the replacements for some of you with multiple deployments.

Response by SPC Thomas McChristian made Mar 17 at 2017 2:29 PM

2017-03-17T14:29:27-04:00

Remember leaving SIT with a "thanks for joining the Army Ribbon" and a National Defense Ribbon

Response by PO3 Mannie Gentile made Mar 17 at 2017 5:40 PM

2017-03-17T17:40:23-04:00

in 1970 we referred to it as the "battle of boot camp medal"

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2017 10:38 PM

2017-03-17T22:38:45-04:00

Only a PFC straight out of boot camp would ask this question

Response by SGT John Frady made Mar 19 at 2017 4:52 AM

2017-03-19T04:52:53-04:00

I never got one and served during the gulf war. Must be something I missed or I guess at this point don't think it's worth dwelling on

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Mar 19 at 2017 8:17 AM

2017-03-19T08:17:04-04:00

Try and stick that ribbon in an envelope and mail it next time a bill needs to get paid. Ribbons are mind fluff, they make not the soldier nor does their presence or absense rule the day in any important way. It took me a while to figure this out myself, but ribbons and awards can be a major distraction and as you point out, deceit. I know groups of well placed leaders who used to coordinate how they would give awards to each other, and merit have nothing to do with it. Be superb soldier and leader. Be a technically and tactically proficient warrior. Know your stuff, and everyone around you will flock to you when the SHTF and not the guy with pretty ribbons.

Response by Cpl Thomas Woods made Mar 19 at 2017 1:36 PM

2017-03-19T13:36:59-04:00

It's NOT a "Overseas service award....If you're in and shit happens, you get one....I was in in the '80s& 90s......1984-1989 didn't rate one...1990 DS/DS and POOF one more for the rack...And who in the wide world of sports is whining about this silly shit?...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2017 6:07 PM

2017-03-19T18:07:43-04:00

Does this mean contracted cadets have earned it as well? I see people all the time wearing it on their commissioning day.

Response by SGT Larry Queen made Mar 19 at 2017 10:40 PM

2017-03-19T22:40:49-04:00

I don't understand why everyone complains about what ribbons that someone has on their chest. I don't care that I have a rack of ribbons. I care that I did my job and I am still here to tell about it.

Response by SGT Stephan Jennings made Mar 20 at 2017 3:42 PM

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Personally, I say rename the medal! How can you receive a National Defense Service Medal if you're fresh out of boot camp and haven't "defended" the nation? Just call it the Military Service Ribbon.

Response by SGT Jason Ellenburg made Mar 20 at 2017 8:40 PM

2017-03-20T20:40:33-04:00

This most recent conflict was because of an attack on our turf. Then again, I don't really have a dog in this race since I was actually in when we got hit.

Response by PO1 Tharin Young made Mar 20 at 2017 11:17 PM

2017-03-20T23:17:46-04:00

I had this attitude as a young sailor returning from. Desert Storm and seeing guys I knew had spent the conflict at home. An old salt took me aside and explained that the NDSM recognises your willingness to lay it all out there in a time of conflict. But the campaign medals are what actually recognize your service in theater.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Mar 21 at 2017 9:44 AM

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The National Defense Service Medas (NDSM) was established by Executive Order 10448 signed by POTUS Eisenhower on 22 April 1953 (Korean war).
Elgibility for the award was established by DOD Directive 1348.7 beginning 31 Dec 1960 and terminating 15 Aug 1974 (Vietnam war).
The NDSM was again authorized by memorandum from SECDEF Cheney for dates between2 Aug 1990 and the termination date was later established as 30 Nov 1995 (Persian Gulf War).
The medal was again authorized beginning 11 Sep 2011 and is currently active (GWOT).
The medal is awarded to anyone who serves in the military during qualifying periods.
Note: Reserve Component (RC) and National Guard (NG) soldiers are not authorized the NDSM for the Korean and Vietnam periods unless they served on active duty for a period >89 days. Beginning with the Persian Gulf war and up to the present, RC and NG members (in good standing) ARE authorized the NDSM. Hopefully this will provide clarity.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2017 10:34 AM

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The better question would be the ones coming from Basic with a GWOT.

Response by SSgt Ralph Kearns made Mar 23 at 2017 1:43 PM

2017-03-23T13:43:17-04:00

Well, I received mine right out of basic training in 1967, so it is an ongoing thing.

Response by CSM Colin Patterson made Apr 25 at 2017 3:13 PM

2017-04-25T15:13:05-04:00

Because the NDSM is not an overseas award. It is awarded to members of the armed forces during a time of war. PFC instead of asking this question you should have researched it.

Response by CW3 Susan Burkholder made May 2 at 2017 9:35 AM

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Why would you assume that to defend America one can only do it overseas? There is the OSR; Overseas Service Ribbon.

Response by LTJG Thomas Ehler made May 3 at 2017 12:56 PM

2017-05-03T12:56:23-04:00

It's for Operation Golden Flow - passing urinalysis. I got one for being in A school during the first Gulf War and a second for managing construction contracts in the Navy when 9/11 happened. My father has one from being in the Reserves stateside during the tail end of Vietnam.

Response by SSgt James Guy made May 4 at 2017 2:16 PM

2017-05-04T14:16:57-04:00

I gotmine in basic in 1966 at lack land.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2017 2:53 PM

2017-05-04T14:53:32-04:00

The NDSM is awarded for serviing in the armed forces during a time of war.

Response by PO2 Dan Shulla made May 7 at 2017 3:18 PM

2017-05-07T15:18:44-04:00

being assigned overseas was never a requirement that I heard of

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made May 25 at 2017 4:58 PM

2017-05-25T16:58:30-04:00

NDSM, originated 1953 , awarded during times if declared national emergency or as designated by Sec of Defense. Usually awarded upon completion of basic training or advanced training. I would rather believe that it is awarded in recognition of a soldier in uniform standing in defense of the nation when called at any time or, under any circumstance.

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Jun 1 at 2017 5:00 PM

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For a while it was awarded to those of us on active duty who served during a time of national conflict such as Desert Storm. When I left active duty in January of 1992 and returned to reserve status, I believe only those reserve personnel who mob'd for Desert Storm/Shield received it and those who didn't, didn't. Then at some point not too long after, all reserve personnel received it. I considered it a "gimme" medal to all participants when that happened.

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Jun 2 at 2017 12:41 AM

2017-06-02T00:41:23-04:00

All during the Viet Nam war fresh recruits were issued the NDSM fresh out of boot camp. Why is this a question? There has never been an overseas requirement for this medal, it is for enlisting during time of war (or conflict), including draftees.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 3 at 2017 12:57 PM

2017-06-03T12:57:49-04:00

Check the regs PFC! 1. It is a time medal, was issued up to end of Vietnam, then was authorized after GF1, there is nothing about overseas service, else it would be the "Overseas Service Ribbon".

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Jun 8 at 2017 1:47 PM

2017-06-08T13:47:33-04:00

When I got out of basic in 1966 I was told to go to the PX and buy one plus my marksman medal. My wife was issued on when she went overseas to Saudi during Desert Storm. I'm assuming if you served during a time of war if you went or not you qualify.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Jun 12 at 2017 1:48 PM

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I got a NDSM for drinking beer and chasing girls in West Germany for 3 years. Its a T Ball award basically as far as I am concerned. Not the kind of thing you brag about over beers with friends.

Response by SMSgt Clayton Cortinas made Jun 12 at 2017 9:11 PM

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As stated by the gunny previously, it is an automatic award for serving during a time of conflict. Regardless of assignment. The "Fire Watch" ribbon recognizes that you are ser/have served at a time when you could be assigned to the badlands anywhere in the world.

Response by PO1 Tony Holland made Jun 12 at 2017 11:12 PM

2017-06-12T23:12:17-04:00

Gotta have a 'feel good' medal for the special snowflakes /s

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Jun 13 at 2017 1:29 PM

2017-06-13T13:29:14-04:00

I really would like to get to the bottom of this NDSM thing because I called HRSC and the Institute of Heraldry and even sent my DD FORM 214 to them and they told me I was Auth. 1 BSS in my NDSM and I swear to GOD I got friends who have less time and combat time than me are wearing 2 BSS in their NDSM and 2 are wearing 3 BSS. they are SGMs, they swear up and down their records are right because they are SGMs. Now I ask them about this enlisted thing about soldiers receiving the NDSM when they graduate AIT because people say there is a change in the regulation. You could be fooling the shit out me because this what I'm hearing something else about GWOT stateside. You ever hear of that that crap? REALLY! SO I know my awards a straight, I can't wait to see when RALLY Point sets up the awards sections and people are wearing 2 and 3 BSS on their NDSR and can not justify it. I was just putting it out but if their is a subject matter expert that smarter then the folks who I talk to at HRSC and IOH please come forward and let yourself be know because I want you to tell us all you knowledge on the NDSM. Why prosier are wearing 2 and 3 BSS and they know they are wrong. That is goes for the SGM and CSM that have not been to the Korean War or Vietnam War. Why is it so important to have them BSS on your shit?

Response by SSgt Bruce McClelland made Jun 13 at 2017 3:17 PM

2017-06-13T15:17:50-04:00

NDSM criteria:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Service_Medal

National Defense Service Medal - Wikipedia

Obverse: Shows the American bald eagle, perched on a sword and palm. Above this, in a semicircle, is the inscription "National Defense".Reverse: Shows a shield, taken from the Coat of Arms of the United States; it is half encircled below with an open wreath, the right side of oak leaves and laurel leaves the left.

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Jun 13 at 2017 7:16 PM

2017-06-13T19:16:33-04:00

Read the Reg

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2017 9:40 PM

2017-07-09T21:40:18-04:00

They should be. The National Defense Service Medal is issued to every member of the Armed Forces who served during a Wartime Era, not just for those who served Overseas. In the Corps it's called a Firewatch Medal. There are other names associated with this Medal.

Response by PO2 Jerri Jackson made Jul 9 at 2017 9:51 PM

2017-07-09T21:51:21-04:00

The same way they get the GWOT medal. Everyone gets it automatically 30 days after they get to their first real CMD.
Because they need to feel good about themselves, because they give medals out like candy now a days.
The same that they can't wait 4 years for their good conduct medal anymore, 3 now, wtf? Us older vetes had to wait 4, but these young'ns now can't handle that.
They are babied and pamperd. I am the one that has to give them paperwise these awards, ridiculous. A E3 now walks around with more friggin medals than I received just about.
Everyone gets a NAMfor doing their fanm jobs, for retiring, for separating, unless they being kicked out for bad conduct.
Just crazy

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Jul 9 at 2017 10:42 PM

2017-07-09T22:42:31-04:00

The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) is awarded to anyone who serves on active duty in the United States military during the eligible time periods. No overseas assignment is necessary.

Response by SSgt David Tedrow made Jul 9 at 2017 10:44 PM

2017-07-09T22:44:34-04:00

Eligible periods for the NDSM are:
Korean War June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 Present day

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 10 at 2017 10:52 AM

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Response by SPC Roger Giffen made Jul 11 at 2017 7:15 PM

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Fireguard ribbons. Right after basic training in 1974.

Response by Sgt John Koliha made Jul 11 at 2017 9:47 PM

2017-07-11T21:47:14-04:00

I can't understand why so many have their jock-in-a-knot over whether or not non-deployed troops "should" have this award. Why don't y'all tend to your own rack and not worry about everyone else's?

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 12 at 2017 4:00 AM

2017-07-12T04:00:26-04:00

To understand why and given ribbon or medal is awarded, you need to look up the requirements for it. Here's a link for the National Defense Service Medal:

https://www.thebalance.com/national-defense-service-medal-3344971

This medal is awarded to ANY Servicemember who has served in ANY Active Duty condition during specified dates for a given event. The current event is the War on Terrorism, and the date for this particular medal started 9/11/2001 to a closing date has not yet been announced.

Not every medal requires service during deployments, combat, specific operations, etc. There are other ribbons/medals for service under those conditions.

What to Know About the Armed Forces' National Defense Service Medal

The National Defense Service Medal is awarded to United States military members who served honorably during periods of national emergency.

Response by PO3 Tim McGrew made Jul 12 at 2017 9:34 AM

2017-07-12T09:34:17-04:00

Ya this pissed me off. I had two deployments during the gulf war where I spent 18 months in hostile territory and a friend was warm and dry on his ship in the yard in Washington and he got one also. What a joke.

Response by MAJ Paul Willis made Jul 13 at 2017 11:22 AM

2017-07-13T11:22:01-04:00

Yes. The "Road Guard" ribbon.

Response by CW3 Doyle Frost made Jul 14 at 2017 3:30 PM

2017-07-14T15:30:21-04:00

These recruits, after completing their recruit training, (Basic of Boot Camp,) are veterans of the Nation's Defense Force, whether actually serving overseas or not. Same thing as when I was in Boot Camp back in'63. Once finished, we were advised we had earned that one medal, and it was on our records. (Now have one for the original, with bronze device for the new issuance.) Not too sure of the actual length of service required, bt believe it is just past basic. At one time, there was talk of it being after six months active duty.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Jul 20 at 2017 7:09 PM

2017-07-20T19:09:37-04:00

Gunny Stephen Anderson is right on the money. When I graduated in 50 years ago, everyone of us had our NDSM ribbon and shooting badge centered on our summer uniforms. Funny how medals and ribbons are given out. After boot camp I went to Infantry Training (ITR) but I was in a special situation. My training company was made up of Marines who were going to an "A" school and we only had 2 weeks of training. My group was the first to arrive at Camp Geiger so they put us to work at other units while we waited for more men join us. I was farmed out to the 2nd Service Battalion where I picked up paper and swept floors for 2 weeks and then was sent back to my training unit. It was noted in my service record. A couple of years later I received the Meritorious Unit Citation. Seems that the 2nd Service Battalion had been cited for their support efforts of some units in Vietnam. Since I served with them during the awarded time, I got one also. 10 weeks in the Marines and already 2 ribbons on my chest! LOL

Response by PO2 David M Fossum made Jul 22 at 2017 6:44 PM

2017-07-22T18:44:34-04:00

In the Navy, we calked this the "gedunk medal"

Response by SGT Rosi Teresi made Jul 27 at 2017 4:47 PM

2017-07-27T16:47:19-04:00

We used to call them things KP ribbons. Got em in basic, bout the third week in.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Jul 29 at 2017 11:32 AM

2017-07-29T11:32:42-04:00

Remind me again why this is even a question? I've been out for a while but there is nothing in the description of this medal that says anything about having served overseas. Only that you had the nerve, the self discipline, and the balls to serve your country while 98% of your friends didn't.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Jul 30 at 2017 10:08 AM

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The National Defense Service Medal is authorized for the following wars and time periods:[2]

War From To
Korean War June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 Present day
Award criteria[edit]
The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) is awarded to anyone who serves on active duty in the United States military during the above time periods.[3] Reserve Component service during the Korean and Vietnam periods, other than those Reserve Component personnel in a full-time status or on active duty greater than 89 days, did not qualify for award of the NDSM.

For service in the Persian Gulf War, members of the Reserve Component (in good standing), to include the National Guard, were initially awarded the NDSM when called to active duty service, but this was later expanded to include all members of the Reserve or National Guard in good standing on the Reserve Active Status List (or equivalent) during the eligibility period.[4]

For service in the Global War on Terrorism, Selected Reserve and National Guard members need only to have been in good standing to receive the NDSM and no active duty service is required.[5] Inactive Ready Reserve and Retired Reserve are not eligible to be awarded the NDSM unless called to active duty.

The medal is authorized to Cadets and Midshipmen at the service academies after they are sworn into service, as well as pre-commission officer candidates/trainees at the Officer Candidate Schools or Officer Training Schools of the various U.S. services; but is not granted to discharged or retired military personnel who did not serve in one of the above time periods; nor is it authorized for Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Cadets and Midshipmen at colleges and universities who enlisted in the inactive reserve (i.e., Obligated Reserve Section or ORS) during qualifying periods.

The NDSM ranks eleventh out of twenty-nine in the order of precedence of service medals. There is no time requirement for the medal's issuance, meaning that someone who joins the military for simply a few days, and then receives an entry level discharge, would technically be entitled to the NDSM; in practice, however, military clerks will not add the NDSM on a DD Form 214 if the service member performed duty for less than 90 days from the completion of their initial entry training. This accounts for the medal's omission from a large number of "uncharacterized" and "entry level" separation documents. Veterans who have this medal so omitted may apply to the military service departments to have the NDSM added to records via a DD Form 215.[6]

Response by SPC William Weedman made Aug 6 at 2017 3:34 PM

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It was "awarded" to me twice. I was on Active Duty from 2 Aug 90 to 30 Aug 90 (ETS) serving at Fort Hood, getting the 1st Cav ready to deploy, showing up at midnight to a gym in the 1st Cav area then updating shot records or updating shots (nearly everyone needed the Gammagobulin). In 1994 or 1995 they expanded the NSDM to include all members of the ARNG or Reserve and everyone in our unit was handed the ribbon, so I have two sets of orders for the same time frame, I need to order my full records someday, I have been wearing an AAM not listed on any of my discharges but I have the orders. I don't have a VA claim nor any kids so if I did order them it would be to see just how jacked up they are.

Response by PO1 Mike Edgecomb made Aug 7 at 2017 7:09 AM

2017-08-07T07:09:18-04:00

Received one in 1974 in bootcamp.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 13 at 2017 11:43 AM

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National Defense Service Medal . Is given out to all troops during time of war. Covered by posted begin & end Dates. By serving in the military one is defending the country ! One dose NOT have to deploy . I have 2 of them !!!

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Aug 20 at 2017 5:49 PM

2017-08-20T17:49:12-04:00

It is amazing the concern people put on awards. They are very important for promotions in the enlisted ranks, very few have any respect from other service persons, except those earned in combat. They are a pain to maintain. They are worth almost nothing once you end your time in service, except to your children. Just my opinion!

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Aug 20 at 2017 11:37 PM

2017-08-20T23:37:20-04:00

It is awarded for serving during a time of war for which it is authorized. You don't have to be in theater, just in. I enlisted in '72, and we received ours just before boot camp graduation. Had I gone in theater, I would have received the Vietnam Service Medal.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Aug 26 at 2017 7:25 PM

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I went in in 1961 and I believe there were no requirements that you serve overseas to get your National Defense Service Medal. It was issued because you signed up to serve and defend your country. Now look! I am getting old, so I could be wrong about this. But, I am hardly ever wrong, the best I can remember. LOL

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Sep 20 at 2017 7:58 PM

2017-09-20T19:58:36-04:00

Being a rowdy young trooper, I probably did not deserve my GCM. But I got it anyway. I was a Strac soldier nevertheless for my 3 years.

Medals like NDSM and GCM (in my humble opinion) are probably not that important to worry about. I would be more concerned with someone wearing medals for Valor that were not earned!

Response by SSG Michael Keohane made Sep 21 at 2017 12:35 PM

2017-09-21T12:35:02-04:00

Regulations sure have changed since I entered service in 1956. Then, everyone received the National Defense Service Medal after 60 days on active duty. Why the change?

Response by SSgt Dwight Deatherage made Sep 21 at 2017 2:28 PM

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I was in the ANG deployed on JCS orders with a short report date, went OCONUS saw no combat, was not fired on, got MEDEVAC'd back to the states, an as it was not a major action, they didn't open the NDSM. Since I already received my NDSM during a previous window of active while I guarded SW Oklahoma, is it OK if I keep my NDSM? During my 4 years of active duty, I was always ready to go.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2017 2:57 AM

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If you're new to the service, here's why: The NDSM is for serving during a time of war (or in this case, simply armed conflict). Servicemembers are also awarded the GWOTSM for serving during the "Global War on Terror". If you don't agree with it, then you just have to go back in time and tell then pres. Bush not to pass the current regulations for the awards. Haha

Response by SGT Gregory Yelland made Sep 25 at 2017 1:46 PM

2017-09-25T13:46:24-04:00

Interesting. I joined the Navy on Delayed entry program Dec 20 1974, Went Active - to Great Mistakes on Feb 23, 1975 and was awarded my first one when I got my first set of 'Class A's)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2017 1:58 AM

2017-10-11T01:58:10-04:00

Six years. Zero combat deployments. I'm keeping the fucking the ribbon.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Oct 12 at 2017 1:04 PM

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The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) is awarded to anyone who serves on active duty in the United States military during the following time periods:
Korean War June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 Present day
Additional awards of the National Defense Service Medal are authorized for members of the military who served in more than one of the eligible time periods. Each additional award is denoted by a 3⁄16-inch bronze service star attached to the suspension and service ribbon of the medal (a six award is indicated by one 3⁄16-inch silver star). has nothing to do with where a person is stationed; need to be on active duty.

We called it the Battle of Lackland Ribbon.

Response by LtCol Mac McCarty made Oct 14 at 2017 2:28 PM

2017-10-14T14:28:06-04:00

The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) is awarded to anyone who serves on active duty in the United States military during specified time periods: Korea—27 June 1950-27 July 1954; Vietnam—1 January 1961-17 August 1974; Persian Gulf War—2 August 1990-30 November 1995; GWOT—11 September 2001-present. No other service requirements, e.g., overseas. Midshipmen and cadets are entitled; ROTC are not.

Response by CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr. made Oct 16 at 2017 11:47 AM

2017-10-16T11:47:42-04:00

The NDSM is awarded to the FORCE during times of conflict. It is not a combat related award. It is a service award and, as such, is awarded to all service members whether in direct combat, or in support either direct or indirect.

Response by Sgt Doug Willey made Oct 18 at 2017 10:19 AM

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IT IS AWARDED ANY WHERE AS LONG AS YOU GRDUATED BOOT CAMP U DO NOT HAVE TO SERVE OVERSEAS THE COUNTRY IS SUPPOSE TO BE AT WAR THAT IS WHY IT IS AWARDED AS WELL AS THE GWOT SERVICE.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Nov 2 at 2017 3:27 PM

2017-11-02T15:27:11-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner. I'm rather amused that wearing this ribbon could ever be a problem. I never remember anybody being awarded this ribbon, it was referred to as a PX Badge. I can't even remember seeing the Medal that goes with this ribbon. Lighten up people, it adds color to a Privates just out of BCT uniform, it makes the Private happy. Put away regulations and let people be happy.

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Nov 2 at 2017 5:27 PM

2017-11-02T17:27:12-04:00

I'm sorry guys but why is there so much fuss about ribbons and medals? Anyone who served when the Army/Marines/Navy/AirForce were at risk to be in combat. So those who supported the men and women actually there need to be recognized. Those who were in actual combat should accept that they were able to work, fight and survive because of others. It's the same thing about the Bronze Star given to people who merely kept the guys in the field functioning, or maybe trying to keep them alive when they were shipped to field hospitals as needed. The combat troops know actual combat medals with "V" etc. Don't denigrate those who did what they were assigned to do and tried to do their best.

Response by SFC Jeff Diaz made Nov 8 at 2017 8:57 PM

2017-11-08T20:57:53-05:00

Overseas service has nothing to do with eligibility to receive the NDSM. AR 600-8-22 delineates quite clearly who is/is not authorized the National Defense Service Medal. I quote it here:

2–10. National Defense Service Medal
a. The National Defense Service Medal (NDSM) was established by Executive Order (EO) 10448, 22 April 1953, as amended by EO 11265, 11 January 1966; EO 12776, 18 October 1991, as amended by EO 13293, 28 March 2003 and Secretary of Defense Memorandum, dated 26 April 2002; and EO 13293, dated 28 March 2003.
b. It is awarded for honorable active service for any period between 27 June 1950 and 27 July 1954, both dates inclusive; between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974, both dates inclusive; between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995; and from 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. During these periods, service members in the following categories will not be eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Members of the Army National Guard and U.S. Army Reserve on short tours of duty to fulfill training obligations under an inactive duty training (IDT) program.
(2) Any service member on temporary duty (TDY) or temporary active duty (TAD) to serve on boards, courts, commissions, and like organizations.
(3) Any service member on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
c. Honorable service as a member of the Armed Forces of the United States for any period between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995 and 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Service members on active duty, members of the Selected Reserve in good standing, and members of other than the Selected Reserve who were called to active duty will also be eligible. During these periods, service members in the following categories will not be considered
eligible for the NDSM:
(1) Any service member on active duty for the sole purpose of undergoing a physical examination.
(2) Any Soldier of the Individual Ready Reserve, Inactive National Guard, or the standby or retired reserve whose active duty service was for training only, or to serve on boards, courts, commissions and like organizations.
d. Notwithstanding these limitations, any member of the United States Coast Guard or the Reserve or Guard Forces of the Armed Forces who, between 1 January 1961 and 14 August 1974, became eligible for award of either the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal or the Vietnam Service Medal or between 2 August 1990 and 30 November 1995, became eligible for award of the Southwest Asia Service Medal will be eligible for award of the NDSM.
e. To signify receipt of a second or subsequent award of the NDSM, a service star will be worn on the service ribbon by U.S. Army personnel so qualified. A second or third award of the NDSM is authorized for Soldiers who served in one or more of the four time periods listed in a above. It is not authorized for Soldiers who met the criteria in one time period, left active duty and returned during the same period of eligibility. (See chap 6 for service stars.)
f. Cadets of the U.S. Military Academy are eligible for the NDSM, during any of the inclusive periods listed above, upon completion of the swearing-in ceremonies as a cadet.
g. The NDSM may be awarded posthumously.

The regulations are there for a reason, and as an up and coming soldier, it will do you good to familiarize yourself with some of these intimately. I suggest you familiarize yourself intimately with AR's 350-1 (Army Tng and Ldr Dev), 600-25 (Salutes, Honours, and Visits of Courtesy), 600-100 (Army Leadership), 670-1 (Uniforms and Appearance), and later on [should you stay on] 623-205 (NCOER System). It's not important that you be able to spout chapter and verse of these Regs (although you eventually will be able to with some regs), but more that you know where the Regs are and what they cover. AKO has a great portal which gives you access to the most up to date Regs out there. FM's also. The more you're exposed to these now, the better prepared you'll be for when you hit WLC, ALC, and SLC.

Mind you, Army Regs will always provide you the guidance you seek, as they are the distilled and codified experience spanning 200+ years. :)

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2017 12:37 AM

2017-11-18T00:37:38-05:00

https://www.thebalance.com/national-defense-service-medal-3344971

Not sure why the OP thinks overseas service is required for the NDSM.

What to Know About the Armed Forces' National Defense Service Medal

The National Defense Service Medal is awarded to United States military members who served honorably during periods of national emergency.

Response by SSG Matt LaFramboise made Nov 20 at 2017 7:45 AM

2017-11-20T07:45:33-05:00

This is an easy one where a little research is better then asking someone else.

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Nov 21 at 2017 5:30 PM

2017-11-21T17:30:16-05:00

There is no requirement for overseas deployment. I have 3 of them and never set foot in a combat zone.

Response by SGT Larry Stacey made Nov 28 at 2017 4:11 PM

2017-11-28T16:11:28-05:00

AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS IS GIVEN TO EACH SOLDIER. I DON'T KNOW THE LENGTH OF SERVICE TIME REQUIRED FOR BEING AWARDED.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2017 11:19 PM

2017-11-30T23:19:28-05:00

The best answer to this is actually in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Service_Medal). This sentence I think explains this best. The medal was first intended to be a "blanket campaign medal" awarded to service members who served honorably during a designated time period of which a "national emergency" had been declared during a time of war or conflict. I do believe we are in a "National Emergency", as defined by GWOT.
Eligible periods
The National Defense Service Medal is authorized for the following wars and time periods:
Korean War June 27, 1950 July 27, 1954
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 Present day

I hope this answered your question.

Cheers!

National Defense Service Medal). - Wikipedia

Response by Sgt Harlin Seritt made Dec 1 at 2017 8:39 PM

2017-12-01T20:39:42-05:00

Eh, you only have to be on Active Duty during a serious war or campaign to get it. Was like that during the Gulf War back in my day.

Response by Sgt William Biggs made Dec 3 at 2017 3:35 PM

2017-12-03T15:35:23-05:00

Becayse they are still serving during a period of war. Deployment doesn't matter so long as they serve

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2017 10:53 PM

2017-12-03T22:53:18-05:00

Because the NDSM is awarded for enlisting or reenlisting during a time of war. Only 1 NDSM is award during any wartime period to an individual. No overseas service is required.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2017 4:14 PM

2017-12-10T16:14:20-05:00

U just have to be serving in time of war or comflict in order to get a national defense service medal

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Dec 25 at 2017 2:47 PM

2017-12-25T14:47:31-05:00

Received my first in basic 1971, as a MTI I told my trainees it was a Never Done Sh*t Medal. Got my second (star) for Desert Storm. With the NDSM and some cash one can get a cup of coffee.

Response by Sgt Frank Staples made Dec 27 at 2017 6:28 PM

2017-12-27T18:28:49-05:00

When I was in it didn't require overseas service...simply service during a period of conflict.

Response by SPC James Seigars made Jan 10 at 2018 5:04 PM

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PFC Young, I think you may be getting your award criteria mixed up. You don’t have to be stationed overseas to get the NDSM, only be on Active Duty for over six months during one of the time periods specified. However, in order to get awarded the OSR you do have to be stationed overseas and in some cases you can be awarded both.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Jan 18 at 2018 9:50 PM

2018-01-18T21:50:02-05:00

I was in Korea 81-82 and Germany 86-90, both during times when we weren't at war. Until I served in Desert Storm I wasn't eligible for the NDSM.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2018 10:01 AM

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Being assigned overseas was never a requirement to receive and wear the NDSM. It was automatically awarded for service during each of three different time periods in U.S. history.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 30 at 2018 10:28 AM

2018-04-30T10:28:08-04:00

PFC- do you see any where in the title- Overseas? A Defense Medal has been around since WWII, when it was called the American Defense Service Medal. The current one was in effect up to 1975, then was reactivated in 1983 I think- since I came in 1973- I was awarded it twice. It is not an Overseas Service Ribbon which requires you to be OCONUS for 6-12 months. Before GWOT, it was the only medal you might have the 1st 1-3 years of service.

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made May 10 at 2018 7:04 PM

2018-05-10T19:04:37-04:00

Where in National Defense Service Medal does it say overseas? During WW II thousands of military personnel stayed in the COTUS on defense bases, did they not contribute? During Viet Nam, I was in inflight refueling, medevac and supply/cargo, every plane I did maintenance on flew in and out of combat zones, did I not contribute to the nation?

Response by PFC Howard Bryant Blackshear made Sep 19 at 2018 9:35 PM

2018-09-19T21:35:53-04:00

Nation Defense Service Medal, I got one after BOOT CAMP and AIT'''. After AIT, You can be sent and Defend Any Time, within 24 Hours.

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Sep 25 at 2019 8:18 PM

2019-09-25T20:18:59-04:00

For those who misread my question, the keyword is recruits, as someone in basic training. An update: My nephew, who is now a veteran, took the time to explain it to me. The requirements were different when I served, since I was already on active duty when I learned I received it. I didn't understand the current requirements until it was explained to me by my nephew. For those who answered my question satisfactorily, I thank you for explaining it to old soldier like me.