How are the new marksmanship qualifications going to affect promotion points?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:49:38 -0400

I love the new system for marksmanship. Having said that I have a few questions. Are they gonna allow reshoots malfunctions that required more than remedial action? Can we use our own magazines so that we know they are good. (You really are not going to convince me that it’s my pmcs when It only happens with one magazine) If not are we going to to change the the amount of points someone can get?

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2019 3:29 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:29:38 -0400

From what I've read on it, it looks to be the same thing however start standing, then prone, then kneeling, then back to prone? Changing positions and mags on you're own (minus the commands.) So it will take more prior instructions on the matter, but if its still 40 targets then it will likely not affect the scores/points they equate to.

To answer the remedial action part. If your weapons requires more than "sports" on the current qual then what? You would stop shooting, cause you cant anymore, and then go back through. Doesn't seem like any change would be needed on that aspect. As for the magazine, if they allow some to do, then everyone has to, then you run a risk of people taking home mages with ammo in them still, etc, etc. That would cause too much of a hassle, especially from a commanders viewpoint.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Sep 16 at 2019 10:35 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:35:39 -0400

1. Don't know- if it takes more than SLAP, then probably- just a guess. 2. You will use what is issued, up to you to inspect it prior to use- if its bad have them replace it. 3. No Idea, Brandon, need to ask BN/Bde schools type S3 for what they have on it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2019 10:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:47:06 -0400

It's still very much the same process. The methodology has changed a bit. Now you're supposed to practice more before shooting for score. If your unit let's you use your own mags (doesn't every unit do that??) then that's what you'll shoot with. It doesn't say that you can't reshoot, it says that you don't get multiple attempts to qualify for score. The idea is to put more emphasis on the prior train up aspect as opposed to units who go to the range once or twice a year, skip the practice, and go straight to multiple Qual fires.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Sep 16 at 2019 11:33 AM

SFC Michael D. — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:33:29 -0400

What are the marksmanship qualifications these days?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2019 12:39 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:39:45 -0400

With the newer magazines, it should be quite rare for malfunctions to occur unless weapons and/or magazines are being poorly maintained. Weapons AND magazines both need to be inspected frequently. I would also recommend using all your magazines during both zeroing and practice to see if there is one that is having issues. If you have a bad magazine, you should be marking them and turning them in for replacement (so they don't end up back in the rotation 6 months later). There are a few methods for marking bad magazines... paint pen works well, or my personal favorite - take a sledgehammer to it (it definitely won't make it back into the rotation that way).

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2019 9:54 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:54:52 -0400

A hit or miss proposition.

Response by SPC John Decker made Sep 19 at 2019 10:30 AM

SPC John Decker — Thu, 19 Sep 2019 10:30:27 -0400

I would imagine that your first concern would be valid. As to using your own magazines; Would you carry, or have access to them, when deployed?