How can I clear CIF for items that I am not supposed to have?

2015-08-23T10:45:24-04:00

I am trying to get my gear ready to for turn in, but I can't seem to understand why I have a pair of small arms black plates on my clothing record. I have not had this black plates since I turned them in coming back from Afghanistan. Is there any way to reconcile this issue without having to pay for something that I honestly don't have?

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 23 at 2015 12:12 PM

2015-08-23T12:12:50-04:00

Do you have any CIF paperwork from Afghanistan?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 12:43 PM

2015-08-23T12:43:29-04:00

Do you have copies of the paperwork stating you turned them in?

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 8:57 PM

2015-08-23T20:57:40-04:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, your Supply Sgt didn't do their job. Those get added to your clothing record temporarily and then when you turn them in, the Supply Sgt is supposed update your record.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2015 1:26 AM

2015-08-24T01:26:36-04:00

Do you have any record of turning these plates in? If not, be prepared to do a statement of charges. You could try for a FLIPL, but hen you would be flagged and not able to PCS or ETS until the FLIPL is finished. And, if they find you at fault, you would still end up paying for the items. I have seen this in the past, quite a few times. Unless you have documentation proving you turned the items in, your supply SGT can do nothing to take it off of your records.

Response by CPL Randy Bautista made Aug 24 at 2015 2:25 AM

2015-08-24T02:25:15-04:00

Is very common... If you do not have copies of turn-in you will need to start a FLIPL to start an investigation that will end up clearing you. If not you will then be forced to pay. With that said conduct a company wide CIF check I'm sure you are not the only one unless it was that you conducted a mass issue/ turn-in then you would need to have them transformed to the companies CIF account

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2015 10:08 AM

2015-08-24T10:08:08-04:00

If you have papers that show you turned them in you will be dime.

Response by SSG John Bacon made Aug 24 at 2015 1:18 PM

2015-08-24T13:18:12-04:00

CPT John Hermida You are correct get with the Supply NCO he should have Records going back at least 6 years. I kept all my records for 9 years and it served me and my Commanders well. I have seen CIF try to pull this stuff on a regular basis and if you did something in Iraq or Afghanistan the CIF records do not automatically update as they should. Same goes for PBO Operations down Range.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2015 9:07 PM

2015-08-24T21:07:39-04:00

Unfortunately as a Unit Supply Sergeant I see this all too often. Harsh reality is that unless you have paperwork from Afghanistan proving you turned them in you are likely going to be paying for them.
This is why I urge Soldier of ALL ranks to make sure they get copies of turn in and issue transactions and that they keep those records in their "I love me" files at home.
You never know when stuff like this rears its ugly head.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2015 12:59 PM

2015-08-25T12:59:59-04:00

Getting with Supply is only part of it. You need to to have documented proof you turned it in. Sad to say but the CIF system is broken in that the updates and turn ins do not always take effect. I advise my soldier that if they do not have records or never received the T/I document from CIF then draft a memorandum to be signed by the unit commander listing the names and the details of the turn in. I.e. time date location and the supervisor of the turn in team. Then Supply can send that forward to CIF and they will usually pull it from all the listed people's records. If Not, then Supply will need to work with the command staff and the BN and BDE level and PBO and file a DD200 against the CIF station . That works well especially if you have witness statements from multiple soldiers who witnessed the turn in. Refer to AR 735-5 chap 13

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2015 5:27 PM

2015-08-26T17:27:18-04:00

Look In your clothing files with your unit supply NCO ! It should have paper trail in there

Response by SSG Jose Padillajimenez made Sep 6 at 2015 5:08 PM

2015-09-06T17:08:50-04:00

Get a memo signed by your commander saying that yoy turned them in Afghanistan if you need more go to a FLiPO dont pay for a mistake that CIF made