How can I convince my unit not to deploy me right before I am supposed to attend recruiting school?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:37:44 -0500

Long story short I am getting deployed about 60 days before I go to recruiting school for roughly 3-6 weeks. This seems completely non sensible to me. I am going through a divorce also which makes things even worse. The unit is telling me if I find a regulation stating that I have to be back XX days before school then they will leave me back. I find it almost laughable that a group of 1SG's and a CSM wouldn't know that. Does anyone know of anything that will help?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2016 4:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:53:35 -0500

Where they will get you, I think, is that your orders most likely state that your are TDY and return. While we all know that you almost certainly will PCS immediately after graduating, they are looking at it from the point of view that all you need is a few days to fly back to your home station, pack your bags, and travel to the school. So they can get 50 days of work out of you before you head off.

I don't think you have much to counter that, as the only thing the unit can't do is deny you from attending the school if you are already on orders.

If your orders are TDY enroute, well, for a stateside PCS all your unit is required to do is give you ten working days to out process. You can set up all your moving appointments online and receive all your necessary paperwork via email.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 11 at 2016 5:39 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Sun, 11 Dec 2016 17:39:43 -0500

" I find it almost laughable that a group of 1SG's and a CSM wouldn't know that. Does anyone know of anything that will help?"

With that attitude..if you display the same at your unit, you should plan on deploying.
Many times there are self earned and valid reasons leadership is unwilling to do more then hand out a length of rope...leaving the SM to us it in a self destructive manner...vice pulling themselves up.

You might also want to look up the phrase "Selfless service"

In any case, they gave you an out....if you're willing to do the research and see if it exists. I know of no such regulation that supports your whining...errrr, ummmm request to stay at home while your unit deployed. But do the leg work, and find it if it is.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2016 6:45 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:45:17 -0500

Have you tried calling the school house? Or HRC? More often than not, they are the SME's that can best answer this.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Dec 12 at 2016 8:00 AM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 08:00:27 -0500

I don't, but honestly that doesn't make any sense. If you've got orders to the school house, then you've got orders. Are they going to deploy you and then charge you as UA because you didn't execute your orders on time...

Typically when you've got orders, you start checking out of your current command so you can check in with your new command. The only thing you should really be doing is making sure you're PME complete and get your annual/fiscal year training out of the way so you don't have to do it at the new command.

Sorry, I don't know of anything to help you. Typically having orders to another command makes you non-deployable.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2016 9:45 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 09:45:24 -0500

Selfless service.....is not an excuse for the chain of command to put unnecessary burdens on the SM. Unless they are getting his orders deferred or deleted, SGT Graziano is going to recruiting school, and will have a followon assignment as a 79R.

If the unit is willing to try to push for having those orders deferred or deleted, that's one thing. If they're not, what's the purpose of deploying him for 60 days only to have to send him back? Do you really think even with the best of attitudes he's going to make an impact on the mission over 60 days? If you do, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Very nice view of Brooklyn.

Let's get some more information from SSG Private RallyPoint Member first, then we can go from there.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Dec 12 at 2016 9:49 AM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 09:49:31 -0500

In my experience Unit deployment takes precedence over schools etc. You might contact the school house but not sure they can be of much help. Possibly if you can ID a replacement for you (Same MOS and Rank) that is willing to go in your place that may work if your Unit approves it!

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Dec 12 at 2016 10:05 AM

SFC J Fullerton — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:05:03 -0500

Bottom line, if the unit can return you back to home station in time to travel to and report to school on the report date, then you are deploying. 1 week into recruiting duty you will be wishing you could deploy anywhere. If there is any possible way your deployment can get your orders to USAREC deleted, you should be pursing that instead.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 12 at 2016 12:14 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:14:24 -0500

The laughable thing is that you presume the 1SGs and CSM don't know what is going on.
If your unit is due to deploy and your MOS is a shortage they can request that your recruiter school be deferred until after the deployment, Same with leadership schools.
While unpleasant for leaders as well as troops school deferments for deployments were pretty common.

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Dec 12 at 2016 2:13 PM

1SG Al Brown — Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:13:41 -0500

Doesn't look like you're going to sway you're Chain of Command any time soon. You'll return from wherever they want, go TDY and return from the liers academy, then clear and head off to your recruiting battalion. It only gets better there.

Response by SPC Andrew Murray made Mar 17 at 2020 1:47 PM

SPC Andrew Murray — Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:47:46 -0400

So I notice that this was posted 3 years ago and you list your job as a recruiter so I'm curious how it turned out.