How can I deter my peers from ignoring orders of other peer leaders?

2018-12-15T17:14:06-05:00

I just got to the fleet and have noticed my peers ignoring what the fire team leaders and other lower enlisted in charge of them whenever they are given orders.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2018 5:26 PM

2018-12-15T17:26:33-05:00

Well a Marine NCO should have better insite on your branche's paperwork. However, in the Army we have Professional-Growth and Event-Oriented counseling done on the DA Form 4856, you should use the USMC equivalent. On that form you explain that young Devil Dog's chain of command and MCO support channel to them. Along side that, explain how important it is (e.g how deadly it could be if ignored) to follow legal and ethical orders. After such counseling has been done, and the behavior continues with a pattern of the behavior established, you can do the paperwork needed to recommend UCMJ action be imposed by your Commander.

Response by SSG Brian L. made Dec 15 at 2018 5:36 PM

2018-12-15T17:36:49-05:00

Perform orders from said peer above standard and set the example... let your peers know that an order coming from a peer in that position is still an order. Being a private in charge is one of the cruelest things to happen. No one will listen to him and sooner or later hes back in the mix with angry salty peers...ewww..... let that soldier learn how to be a private.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Dec 15 at 2018 8:50 PM

2018-12-15T20:50:11-05:00

PFC Private RallyPoint Member Marines ignoring fire team leaders?

Stand out! Do not slide into that mode!

Sounds like GySgt business to me. Relax, Gunnery Sergeants always sort Marines out, those negligent peers will be called out. I have Faith in the Corps!

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Dec 15 at 2018 9:20 PM

2018-12-15T21:20:10-05:00

This is complex.

My personal advise to to remember your general orders, specifically your first, third, and sixth.

"To take charge of this post and all government property in view."
"To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce."
"To receive, obey and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only."

Think about it this way, when placed in a leadership position or billet, you or any leader must actively TAKE CHARGE of said POST.

All that said, think of your general orders as MORE than just directions for a Sentry, but a philosophy for being a Marine. Your first general order informs you that you should be be a Steward, the second tells you to Observe and Learn. The third is to be Vigilant, while the fourth is to be a keeper and sharer of Institutional Knowledge. As you can see, they are more than they seem.

But back to your question. First off, the Team Leader must take charge. That is his responsibility. You can't do that for him. What you do, is set the example. "Yes, Lance Corporal." is the most powerful phrase in your arsenal.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2018 9:41 PM

2018-12-15T21:41:05-05:00

Set the example in order to be an example of change because I had to learn that lesson the hard way a long time ago when my team leader was a Specialist and I was the same rank.

Response by SSG Ronald Colwell made Dec 16 at 2018 12:00 AM

2018-12-16T00:00:13-05:00

Just be honest with them and explain that it makes them all look bad! And orders are meant to be followed, providing they are lawful. If anyone has a problem with it or you. It shows that they are crap and don’t waste your time. Also if the leaders allow it then it doesn’t show much for them, other than they are weak and shouldn’t be in charge

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2018 5:20 PM

2018-12-16T17:20:49-05:00

It’s hard but lead by example. Your team leaders and squad leaders are there for a reason. They have experience. At the end of the day, it’s up to the leaders to ensure their orders are followed and punish those that don’t commensurate with the transgression.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2018 1:19 PM

2018-12-17T13:19:14-05:00

Encourage your peers to follow instructions and set a good example/do the right thing, but that’s mainly on the team leader to fix. It’s not your job to help him run his team. If he is not taking charge or control of his team, that’s how people get. A team leader should be a pit bull, he’s responsible for everything the team does or fails to do. It’s his responsibility to enforce discipline and standards within his team, such as when a subordinate fails to follow instructions, that should be corrected swiftly. If he doesn’t have any teeth the problem won’t get better, it will just get worse over time.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 17 at 2018 11:13 PM

2018-12-17T23:13:12-05:00

What the hell is going on. In my day in the marines (59-63) you obeyed orders , If a PFC or L/Cpl. or anybody in the corp. Gave an order ,if they were in charge of a detail you were on and you didn't obey you got in trouble. I remember a Cpl. fell in for morning formation. when the Plt. Sgt. gave out the details he put the Cpl. on the detail as a PVT. When the Cpl. complained , the Plt Sgt. said you must be a Pvt. you don't have any chevrons on your cover or collar. You will work like a Pvt. Next time maybe you will remember to wear your stripes I was a L/Cpl. ammo tech. in charge of an infantry work crew loading their ammo aboard ship on Okinawa. A 2nd Lt. was in charge of the work crew and we had the responsibility to the ships Capt. to make sure the ammo was stored correctly aboard ship I told the 2nd Lt. what to do. I caught one of his work crew smoking a cigarette ( A No No) I asked the Lt. if they were trying to blow up the ship. The Lt. said I'll take care of that and chewed the man out that was smoking. Semper Fi.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 7 at 2019 9:07 PM

2019-04-07T21:07:24-04:00

Some peers are buddy fuckers.