How come Military Service comes with a federal contract different that all other federal employees?

PO3 Aaron Hassay — Thu, 09 May 2019 00:05:27 -0400

FBI DEA CIA etc seemingly have a contract much different then a military member

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made May 9 at 2019 12:55 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Thu, 09 May 2019 00:55:05 -0400

The five armed forces are provisioned by title 10 and Title 14. The other agencies are not. The other agencies do not have near the volume of in and out flow, 11% a year. The Uniformed personnel of the Armed Forces are all on a term appointment.

It like expecting an NBA contract to be the same as a recording contract. Different functions.

Response by SPC David S. made May 9 at 2019 1:07 AM

SPC David S. — Thu, 09 May 2019 01:07:48 -0400

I'd say its related to the legal authority laid out in law in the titles.
Regular military is under title 10, National guard is 32 and CIA is title 50. As such the contracts are different due to the different params framing the different organizations in question such as pay schedules defined by the different titles, rank or even within an organization like the CIA in regards to Contract Term status or Career Staff status pay and benefits.

However I do agree that you have posted an interesting question as the lines can get very blurry in regards to clandestine and covert operations, As an example a NIST (National Intelligence Support Team) is often deployed at the request of the military to facilitate the flow of timely all-source intelligence between a Joint Task Force (JTF) and Washington, DC. A NIST normally is composed of personnel from DIA, NSA, NIMA, and the CIA. Its all about reach forward and reach back and National and DOD inteligence.

Here is a good explanation of how the DOD and the CIA stay in their lanes and comply with the authorities in regards to their respective titles. I'd bet however that at times there may be some sections of the road under construction and not clearly marked resulting in some title 1050'ish traffic.

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art8.html

National Intelligence Support Teams — Central Intelligence Agency

Fulfilling a Crucial Role: National Intelligence Support Teams

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 9 at 2019 5:34 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 09 May 2019 05:34:05 -0400

There is no Federal contract. Feds work under a competitive promotion status, no time requirement. Some programs come with required service post training. LEO Feds have a period of automatic annual promotions through to a certain grade save disciplinary issues. It is more complex than explained but this is the gist of it. Thank you for your service.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made May 9 at 2019 6:07 AM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Thu, 09 May 2019 06:07:43 -0400

You will see a lot of great explanations posted but the reality is that the military is the only one with a (when required) obligatory service and a mandate to fight this thing we call war. Not a lot of folks like to do this, even some of the folks who joined the all volunteer force; joining only for college money, and a paycheck. But when things get real if it wasn’t for that contract (DD Form 4). They would take a fly faster than a blink of an eye! The other government agencies you can quit as you please since there are many folks applying for your the position every day.

Response by PO3 Aileen Dodge made May 9 at 2019 10:53 AM

PO3 Aileen Dodge — Thu, 09 May 2019 10:53:55 -0400

Ok, Think About it. Did you ask yourself this VERY GOOD Question before you enlisted??? And Commissioned Officers in the Military have a contract with the Government that is WAY different than the Government contract for enlisted!!! SO here is the real reason. Enlisted individuals within the Armed Forces of America are the most expendable, especially when it comes to times of WAR!!! So there you go, there are "way" to many enlisted within the military for the Government to TRUELY afford the contacts they required all enlisted military to sign upon enlistment!!! Look at how, until very recently the Government refused to honor well over half of those contacts. Look at the number of Appeals and how long (YEARS) those Appeals have sat in Washington waiting to go before A Federal Judge of the Veteran's Appeal Board. All those Appeals are all Breach of Contract Lawsuit. The difference between those Appeals waiting for a decision by a Federal Judge of the Veterans Administration Board and a Civil Lawsuit is the amount of HOOPS, and how high they will be raising those HOOPS as the Veteran's Appeal gets closer to proving the Breach of Contract by the Government. (20 -25 years ago)

Response by PO3 Aileen Dodge made May 10 at 2019 11:00 AM

PO3 Aileen Dodge — Fri, 10 May 2019 11:00:18 -0400

When it comes to the payment structure with the Government, the contract and laws that control payment to those Voted into office are what I would like changed!! ASAP!! if you search up what your lawmakers are currently pulling in for an annual income, including annual funds from outside sources. Well, that kind of information alone could send you into TAX PAYER SHOCK!!!! It is true that our elected officials base pay is lower than most Mid-level executives and managers, but they also receive an annual allowance that is supposed to be used to pay for work-related expenses, and they are required to report how this allowance is being spent. However, there are members of Congress who maintain their pre-elected private careers and other business interest while they are in office. They are limited to no more than 15% of their annual basic pay level, which equals $28,400.00 annually. There is no limit on the amount of non-salary income members can retain from their investments, corporate dividend and so on!!!! And that is where the catch comes in. Think about the information those on Capitol Hill are privy to, that we, the voter and taxpayer are not on an everyday basis. Maybe it is unethical for those voted into office to use specific non-public information to increase their financial worth. But the whole ethics argument comes down to these two points. The first is being caught or discovered. Then you have to look at just who is legally interpreting the ethics as they would apply to the situation!!!
So, I do believe once you have all this information. Your POV might change a little regarding who is being covered under what Government contract!