Posted on Feb 10, 2019
How difficult is it to get SMP my sophomore year, and what impact does it have on my ability to compete in ROTC and for commissioning?
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I'm planning to enlist right now before my freshman year of college and had a few questions about how all of this goes down. If all goes well and my request to ship earlier is authorized, I'll attend basic this summer and AIT next summer. If it doesn't get authorized, I'm deferring my enrollment by a semester to go to basic and AIT.I understand with this second path that I wouldn't be protected from deployment (I'm ok with that), but I also understand that schools are able to work with the units to hopefully not get deployed since I'd be a full time college student.
-How difficult is it to get SMP my sophomore year? (non-scholarship) and what are the steps to doing so/qualifying?
-When I graduate from college and the normal ROTC cadets commission, can I commission like that also or do I have to go to OCS since I'm prior enlisted?
-How much does drilling/AT actually take away from my ability to compete in ROTC?
-Also, just off topic, what sort of things do they look for in a secret or TS clearance?
Thank you and sorry for so many questions. Even answers on just one or two would be helpful.
-How difficult is it to get SMP my sophomore year? (non-scholarship) and what are the steps to doing so/qualifying?
-When I graduate from college and the normal ROTC cadets commission, can I commission like that also or do I have to go to OCS since I'm prior enlisted?
-How much does drilling/AT actually take away from my ability to compete in ROTC?
-Also, just off topic, what sort of things do they look for in a secret or TS clearance?
Thank you and sorry for so many questions. Even answers on just one or two would be helpful.
Edited 7 y ago
Posted 7 y ago
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I'm looking at your question and asking why. Why spend time in a Reserve Component unit while you're in college? I understand if it's about money. You will have to balance many requirements as a college student, ROTC Cadet, and Reserve or Guard enlisted person. I expect you can complete your ROTC program with few problems. ROTC normally has academic classes in the fall and spring semesters and a requirement to attend "summer camp" at some point. It sounds great if your Reserve Component unit will allow you flexibility in attending basic and AIT. Remember that they will issue you orders for this training and they may or may not be as flexible as you might expect. Filling training quotas is important to the unit. As you indicated, you might be the one having to be flexible, like skipping a semester of college to attend your AIT. (Some schools give college credit for some AIT courses. Check with the school after you complete the training.) If you complete an ROTC program, you normally will commission after graduation. The ROTC office will have information about various scholarship and non-scholarship programs and the types of commissions you might receive (reserve or regular). You will have to be honorably discharged from the Reserve Component in order to accept a commission. This should be a formality, but still has to happen (you can't be a Spec4 and an LT at the same time).
If you're a law abiding US Citizen, security investigations are no big deal. For a Secret or TS, you'll have to fill out lots of forms, usually on-line, covering your life for the last 10 years or more. You'll need to enter data on everyplace you lived and every organization you ever worked for. Detailed information on you, your spouse(s), kids, and your parents and in-laws will be required. Overseas travel outside of Government employment (includes military) will be looked at. Associations with foreign nationals will get a close look also. Fill in the forms completely and carefully and keep a copy. At some point an investigator will interview you. Review the forms you completed before the interview so you don't accidently contradict the information on the forms; however, if you discover a mistake, admit it and point it out to the interviewer. Some stuff that is adverse information can slow down and possibly prohibit getting a clearance. Most of it's obvious: bankruptcy, illicit drug use, association with foreign nationals of enemy nations or groups, violation of security laws or rules, felony conviction, DUI, etc. The actual security clearance in granted by a real senior management person, usually a general officer or civilian equivalent. The investigators make recommendations to that person. The senior managers most often go along with the recommendation, but can make exceptions.
If you're a law abiding US Citizen, security investigations are no big deal. For a Secret or TS, you'll have to fill out lots of forms, usually on-line, covering your life for the last 10 years or more. You'll need to enter data on everyplace you lived and every organization you ever worked for. Detailed information on you, your spouse(s), kids, and your parents and in-laws will be required. Overseas travel outside of Government employment (includes military) will be looked at. Associations with foreign nationals will get a close look also. Fill in the forms completely and carefully and keep a copy. At some point an investigator will interview you. Review the forms you completed before the interview so you don't accidently contradict the information on the forms; however, if you discover a mistake, admit it and point it out to the interviewer. Some stuff that is adverse information can slow down and possibly prohibit getting a clearance. Most of it's obvious: bankruptcy, illicit drug use, association with foreign nationals of enemy nations or groups, violation of security laws or rules, felony conviction, DUI, etc. The actual security clearance in granted by a real senior management person, usually a general officer or civilian equivalent. The investigators make recommendations to that person. The senior managers most often go along with the recommendation, but can make exceptions.
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PVT (Join to see) - LTC Coe brings up a good point. Are you sure you want to do this? You'll be giving up 25% of your weekends to drill when you could be either studying, partying, taking a trip, or anything else really. If it's about money, just sell blood plasma. Seriously- as a cadet, I made more money selling my blood plasma than the SMP soldiers got for drilling.
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CPT (Join to see) - I am pretty set on my path as of right now. I know it's not a ton more experience and the money I'll be getting is helpful. All I've been worried about is deployment/ability to get contracted sophomore as enlisted.
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COL David Turk
CPT (Join to see) - the one plus to going reserves first is she will get time in service credit for pay and towards retirement. Commissioned as an O-1 with 3-4 years unexpected in service. Add reserve “points” to retirement, although that might have changed under the new retirement program.
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Obviously you have to be reserve or national guard. You understand that. Depending on your MOS will decide what clearance you get.
If you enlist before attending college, you’re already qualified to enter SMP if you do ROTC.
What school(s) are you looking at?
Drill is only once a month. AT once you contract, I believe can be waived or RST completed if you go to a summer camp with ROTC depending on your commander.
As for what they look for in a clearance they ask about your history and character. To people you lost as references. Plus your family.
If you enlist before attending college, you’re already qualified to enter SMP if you do ROTC.
What school(s) are you looking at?
Drill is only once a month. AT once you contract, I believe can be waived or RST completed if you go to a summer camp with ROTC depending on your commander.
As for what they look for in a clearance they ask about your history and character. To people you lost as references. Plus your family.
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PVT (Join to see) unless you join a unit that’s deploying within the next year you should be perfectly fine. You’ll just drill and attend AT as normal. And most reserves units that deploy will ask you if you want to deploy instead of volunteering you.
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LTC Jason Mackay
PVT (Join to see) - TS Clearances are based on need to know and reliability. You can't just ask for one, you have to have a need to know based on assignment or MOS/branch.
Your ability to get one will be entirely decided by nameless faceless people you'll never meet. All you can do is provide the information on the application which is 2 people per location lived, family relationships, and a number of self admission questions.
Your ability to get one will be entirely decided by nameless faceless people you'll never meet. All you can do is provide the information on the application which is 2 people per location lived, family relationships, and a number of self admission questions.
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MAJ Eugene Chu - I understand the requirements from the Corps and everything but what do you mean by cultural implications?
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COL David Turk
[~1604917:Kirsten - it used to be, if you were on scholarship, you would be placed under contract. So apply for a four year Army ROTC scholarship.
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I’m currently an SMP Cadet, with 4 years prior service. Drilling doesn’t impact ROTC that much, but AT will really screw with your school. That is, if you don’t want to contract. The minute you contract it’s school first, army second. That means you’ll be excused from any army activities that are scheduled during classes or other ROTC events. If you’re not contracted, don’t count on your school or unit being able to pull you off a deployment roster, I was pulled out of school for 1.5 years for a deployment after I’d already enrolled. The only upside is your university should work with you on delayed enrollment and stuff. Hope this helps! Feel free to reach out to me if you’ve got questions.
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I can't message you, but I can ask a question here. Did you being deployed have anything against you finishing college, as in did your school just take you back? Are you still on track to be commissioned and everything?
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The only real drawback to my deployment was how far behind it set me compared to my peers. My school was very understanding. They refunded my money I had already paid for the next semester, and ensured me that I could easily return when I came back stateside. The VA rep here is not very friendly or helpful, but the school itself helped a lot. I was not contracted with ROTC at the time, but when I made sure to keep in touch with them and let them know my status. Coming back was not an issue and they pushed my contract through when I was enrolled again.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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