How do I get in contact with an Officer Recruiter?

2018-09-22T20:02:17-04:00

I’m very interested in becoming an Aviation Warrant officer, but I’m not sure who I should contact. Some people were saying normal recruiters are not the route to go? Or is warrant officer considered an enlisted.

Thanks

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2018 8:14 PM

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Do you want to go full-time? Do you want to be in the State National Guard or in the Army Reserve? What state do you live in? I am a Reserve officer in the Army Reserve though I have been the National Guard. What is your goal? What type of helicopter do you want to fly?

Response by Jonathan Bak made Sep 22 at 2018 8:18 PM

2018-09-22T20:18:25-04:00

P.s I live in eastern Washington, I’d like to go active duty army. And hopefully fly the UH-60.

Response by SGT Paul (Eric) Haines made Sep 22 at 2018 8:29 PM

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If you want to go aviation warrant, you need to 1.) See a recruiter
2.) Tell them what you want to do, and be persistent. Don’t take no for an answer. The Army missed mission for recruiting for the first time in about 30 years. They need people!
3.) If there’s no program available to go from basic to warrant candidacy, you’ll have to enlist first.
4.) I recommend an aviation specialty, that way you’ll have an edge when you drop a warrant packet.

Hope this helps! I haven’t been a recruiter for a long time, but the basics stay the same.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 22 at 2018 8:31 PM

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Do you have a bachelors degree?

Response by CW3 Tom Sheahan made Sep 22 at 2018 10:06 PM

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Here's some info that will help!
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml

woft.shtml

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Sep 22 at 2018 10:14 PM

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Can't speak to current practices, but when I enlisted for OCS (1966, graduated 1967) I dealt with an ordinary recruiter. He seemed excited so I imagined that he got some sort of extra points for recruiting a college/law school grad who wanted to go to Infantry School.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Sep 22 at 2018 11:51 PM

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Ok...Google...First hit. Warrant officer recruiting http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/WOassistance.shtml

WOassistance.shtml

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:46 AM

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Your question is obv perceptive, however, you're not king about it in quite the correct fashion, it'll take some time to explain, however, I'll try, OK? All areas in the US have them for all svcs, all recruiting districts do, of course, however, you need to know precisely what to ask, and how to go about it, or you can easily be steered down an unintentiqo path, despite and carried away by your own enthusiasm at times, honest, I'll show you some stuff that you'd find of interest, let me send this, then I'll try to send more, OK?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:49 AM

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http://www.ocsfoundation.org

You'll want to join his, qiie possibly, and look at the forum page, it doesn't cover Army WOCS, which is what you're asking about, however, it does cover the other more well known OCS programs, though obv not alp of tjem, it doesn't go into Natl Guard OCS programs, also, which are run separately from main Army and USAF OCS type programs....I'll explain more, be patient and read what I send, OK? Trust !e, you'll perceive why, promise, though I'll take some time....

OCS Foundation

SERVICES FOR: Candidates Alumni Officer Families

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:49 AM

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Sorry, it'll take some time...typo....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:51 AM

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https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/advance-your-career/warrant-officer/flight-warrant-officers.html

Next, read this....

Flight Warrant Officers

If you have dreamed of becoming a helicopter or fixed-wing pilot, the Army can help you turn that dream into a reality. Warrant Officers fly some of the most exciting, technologically advanced aircraft in the world.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:55 AM

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https://youtu.be/hehe9wYrRbc

There are numerous other Army WOCS videos on YouTube, however, this is at least faorly representative to start, just type in Army warrant officer candidate school flight program, and you'll bring them all up....

WOFT

Warrant Officer Flight Training

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 1:57 AM

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https://youtu.be/_v7dndkb24s

This was done decades ago, and was horrible in terms of realism, though you might find it entertaining to watch, however, don't think of this as anything even near reality, obviously, I'll explain more, just wait....

21.Fire Birds 1991 - Nicolas Cage - Tommy Lee Jones - Sean Young.mp4

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:05 AM

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https://youtu.be/ZmaKV3fslBA

This however, if you can buy it is a the story, just about the nest film Patty Duke ever made, about the first female WOFT grad, I can't recall her name on the moment, I found the trailer here, I don't know if it's on youtube, very understated, very well acted, highly realistic....

John Cacavas music score from the TV Movie " A TIME TO TRIUMPH" (1986) Main Titles.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:11 AM

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Now, to answer your question in more detail, I was Army ROTC, then went USAF OTE...is help a good deal to know more background on you, so far as you or your family would want to describe...high school GPA? AP high school coursework? College? Assocs? Bach? !asters? PhD? How much actual aviation exposure you've had? Vocational high school? FAA airframe and powerplant (A&P) training and/or licensure at all? FAA sport pilot? Privet pilot? Glider training? Instrument rating? Multiengine? Commercial pilot exposure at all? JROTC? Civil Air Patrol (CAP)? Naval Sea Cadets? Hobbies? Interests? Reading? The more you relate, the more Scific you are, the more we can all try to help, OK? Do a detailed biosketch, so far as you think you can, trust me, I see career/educ questions on here all the time, it'd help all of us try to help you a great deal, promise, OK?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:12 AM

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Also, STEM training? Non-STEM coursework at all? Remember, try to me specific, OK?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:16 AM

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Now, all svcs as I'd said have officer program recruiters, often broken down by brand...for Army clinical programs, AMEDD recruiters handle those...however, Army WOCS, which we did have a family friend do, is a quite rough program...he was Army enlisted, got into Army WOCS, finished rotary wing training, served a god many years in that, finished his Bach in aviation at Emory Riddle Univ, then Army released him, USCG picked him up, he finished as a USCG Lt (O-3), I'm unsure if he was USCG OCS, though given he was Army warrant at that time, I expect he went to a direct commission OIS, am indoc school, not their OCS, however, tats just a guess....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:19 AM

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Next...any Army recruiter can send you to their officer program recruiters for their district, though it miuyht take you some time to ask...Natl Giard also has their own recruiters, often their are Army aviation units around the country, with Natl Guard recruiters there who will know about Army WOCS and WOFT, which, as you likely know, only m3eds high school, however, as for active Army, that'd likely be handled separately, by active Army recruiters, it's obv done at Ft Tucker in AL, you could look that up as well, or any Congress office I'm quite certain could also help you get the active duty Army officer recruiting district in your area, either House or Senate vet reps on staff....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:22 AM

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https://www.omao.noaa.gov/

Read about this as well, they're the smallest, with a 5 yr enlistment....

Office of Marine and Aviation Operations |

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Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:24 AM

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When you're sent to an OCS, in the normal svcs, as opposed to NOAA for their BOTC at USMMA Kings Point, my next younger brother went there, I saw the BOTC, I commissioned him in USNR, pure actually in processed by an enlisted recruiter, though an offer recruiter does your initial packet....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:26 AM

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When I went USAF OTS after Army ROTC, that was how it was done, I was denied the first time, reapplied, appealed, and was taken, as there was a shortage of engineers then...obviously, I nevertheless totally bllixed it up, due to my overweening enthusiasm, of course, just as I'd said....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:29 AM

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I'd wanted to be on the clinical side, go to USIHS the svc !ed school, and start as a bioengineer...one of the USAF OTS recruiters said I was in tyhte wrong office, he tried to steer !e to one of his colleagues, for the Bioenironmental Engineers (BEEs) in the USAF Biomedical Science Corps (BSC), needless to say, I was too stupid to listen, and wound up a line engineer, in the wrong place, under the wrong people, utterly clueless as to my rope, or tasks, way, way over my head, I assure you....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:32 AM

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You have a misconception about reality in SVC life, I don't care which svc...you're gonna have to get a Bach and masters minimum immed if you don't have one already if you'd expect to stay in, not just fly...also, you'll be assigned addl duties, just as any warrant or commissioned would...charity drives, once, I had to write up a young airman about a truck accident he had, I found in his favor, as well as profsnl mil educ (PME), trust me, t also isn't about what you want it's about who wants you...that's why you need to broaden yur outlook, and try to tell is more about you, as I'd said....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:33 AM

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Any normal Army recruiter can also send you to the active Army officer recruiters for your district as well, if you'd ask, I'm quite sure...at least sufficient to give you a phone and/or address....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:35 AM

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Also, did you want RPTCs at all? USMC platoon leaders course (PLC) which is less well known? And have you looked at all at aviation programs for other svcs, no solely Army, incl USCG?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:36 AM

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https://m.facebook.com/USAWOA/

Look up them....

United States Army Warrant Officers Association

United States Army Warrant Officers Association, Herndon, Virginia. 5,064 likes · 51 talking about this · 42 were here. To keep Army Warrant Officers and associate members informed about Warrant...

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 2:41 AM

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http://www.usawoa.org/

Here's their site...if you're wanting to do it as warrant, they will definitely have a local chapter by you, as well as a section dealing with flight warrants...also, you shoild try at least going up for a deck ride with a helicopter flight school near you, just if only to get an actap feel of what being in a helicopter is actually like...I've often read that flight for rotary is easier if learned first, then moving to fixed wing...also, if you want to go commissioned Army flight, our have to go Army OCS not WOCS, obv a totally different route, of course, I've seen it mentioned on Jere many times...?

USAWOA Online | U. S. Army Warrant Officers Association

To serve as the preeminent professional association supporting Army Warrant Officers in all components and statuses (Regular Army, ARNG and USAR, whether currently serving, former, or retired) and their families.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 23 at 2018 4:35 AM

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My Dad was Mwcy, my next younger brother as I'd said was USMMA, I was Army ROTC and USAF, my uncle was Army enlisted under Gen Eisemhower and knew him slightly, my Mom's first cousin was Army armor in Germany, my wife's Dad was a Bronze Star medalist for Army in WW2 France and Germany, my late brother in law was USAF enlisted KC-135 aircrew and maintenance, her stepdad was Navy combat WW2 and Korea, my next younger brother:s late father in law was Army at Chosin Reservoir in Korea...I haven't seen it all, however, I've seem a good deal, promise, OK?

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Sep 23 at 2018 7:24 AM

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Jonathan Bak a lot of good 411

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Sep 24 at 2018 11:57 PM

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Jonathan Bak Warrants officers ARE NOT considered enlisted. They are officers IAW AR600-20.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Nov 17 at 2018 4:49 PM

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I would suggest that you contact a university and speak to their Army or Navy ROTC department. When I was in the AF, we did not have warrent officers (we should have). A warrent officer will be paid W1-W4 as if you were a 2LT-MAJ, however, you really have no rank, just a pay grade. You will not be incharge of anything beyond yourself and perhaps a small MTX crew. If you are interested in leadership and flying, I would encourage you to become an officer, otherwise, speak to the senior officer in one of the two ROTC divisions about helicopters in the USA and USMC and he would be able to enlighten you.