How do i pcs to drum with my firearms collection?

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:50:39 -0400

Ok check it out. I have a large firearms collection of various types including ar15s, m1a's, and 1911s etc. I cannot for the life of me get a straight answer on this. Do i bring them and register them keep at my on post house an take to the range on post while locking my pistols up at the outdoor rec (dont have a nys pistol permit) and sign them out for range use. Need some direction. I have over 10rd mags also. Would rather not leave with family at home in ohio as thats a burden to my senior parents also my wife and kids like to shoot. My fellow 11b's also dont know forsure. Any guidance would be helpful. Legal wasnt much

Response by SSG William Jones made Aug 26 at 2019 10:57 AM

SSG William Jones — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:57:33 -0400

Check with NRA member services or NRA/ILA.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Aug 26 at 2019 11:01 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:01:47 -0400

If you live on post, you'll likely be required to register them with the Provost Marshal. If you live in housing, you should be able to keep them at your place. If you live in the barracks, you'll be required to keep them in your unit's arms room. The size of your collection might raise alarm bells though.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 11:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:04:13 -0400

Contact transportation for guidance on transporting your weapons to your new duty station. Also contact the MP office and/or vehicle/weapons registration office to receive guidance on storage. If you live on post, you won’t be able to store any of your weapons at your home.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 11:07 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:07:33 -0400

I can't advise you of Ft. Drum policies, but I grew up in "the North Country". As a teenager, I practically lived out in the woods, always carrying a rifle or shotgun. I live in rural Ohio now, by the way. New York State has really tightened down on "gun control" measures, so it's a far cry now from I was in my youth. I agree with SSG W. Jones that you would do best to check with NRA/ILA.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 11:59 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 11:59:49 -0400

Contact the base Provost Marshall office at [login to see] . They should be able to answer all your questions. Or at least, most of them.

Response by Capt Gregory Prickett made Aug 26 at 2019 12:03 PM

Capt Gregory Prickett — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:03:45 -0400

https://home.army.mil/drum/index.php/my-fort/all-services/weapons-registration

weapons-registration

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Aug 26 at 2019 12:17 PM

LTC Ray B. (Ret) — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:17:44 -0400

Contact the post MP UNIT

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 12:40 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:40:20 -0400

You don't. At least, not with all of them (ARs), and not with magazines with a capacity >10 rounds.
Your best course of action is to plan for their storage until you are there, in a unit, and in housing. You should also plan longer term storage or to liquidate those you don't want to store long term.
Although you didn't ask, I strongly doubt you'd be issued a concealed carry permit. NY is a "may issue" state. They also don't have reciprocity with other states.
The link to Ft Drum webpage on this issue is very clear.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Aug 26 at 2019 1:02 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:02:00 -0400

You need to contact the Provist Martials for guidance. Good luck.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Aug 26 at 2019 1:31 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:31:01 -0400

First and foremost, you need to find out what NY allows and does not allow. NRA might have a page to help you find this out. If you are married, you should have a choice to live on or off post, I would recommend off. It is my understanding, if you reside on post you have to disclose everything you have when moving in. When you get to station, I recommend at the least putting your family and weapons in an off post hotel even if it costs you. If that is not something you want to pay, I would reconsider what you take. I also recommend you edit your post to "I have firearms to PCS with" and take out the large collection and specific weapons. Posting that is like leaving an an iPad or pistol on your carseat when you go shopping. What thieves know about they are more likely to steel.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 26 at 2019 1:41 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:41:32 -0400

If you are driving with the weapons, I highly suggest you inquire about state laws in regards to transportation of those weapons.

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Aug 26 at 2019 2:18 PM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:18:50 -0400

One thing you'll need to do is get information on NYS Firearms Laws and Regulations; Often Base Policies will reflect those laws as well. I would suggest having the firearms kept in a safe in your parent's home pending the PCS move, as bring weapons into some states without proper permits and papers can be a felony. NYS Pistol permit requires each pistol be listed by serial number on the Permit. There is more but I couldn't begin to tell you where to look.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Aug 26 at 2019 4:11 PM

SFC Michael D. — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:11:16 -0400

What 1SG (Anonymous) said. Now having said that, I can store them for you. You can come by when you return and get them, provided I'm still at the same address. Seriously though, what LTC Kevin Broom, PhD said is how I did it. Back when I did it, there wasn't a big deal having the hicap mags and all that. Just what ever you do, have them moved by a reputable buisness.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 5:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:53:58 -0400

Don't even drive through NY with your weapons to their long term storage facility. Even the orders you get issued have a warning on them about owning or transporting weapons through the state.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 6:01 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:01:56 -0400

I just left Fort Drum NY and you will have to store a lot of your collection. Any "assault rifle", pistols or high capacity magazines will not be allowed in the state. Store your rifles with someone you trust and get them when you PCS to your next assignment. Mine are currently in Kansas as I did the same thing. You can take a shotgun and hunting rifle but check for the guidance on those as well. Good luck, your guns will wait for you. I promise! Call legal assistance at Fort Drum [login to see] or the Provost Marshall's Office (MP's) [login to see] they will give the absolute straight answer. Good luck!

Response by SPC Angela Burnham made Aug 26 at 2019 6:37 PM

SPC Angela Burnham — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:37:41 -0400

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member I did my thesis on NY gun laws, served in NYS, and am up to date on firearms laws in the area.

DO NOT BRING AN UNLICENSED PISTOL INTO NYS. EVER.
DO NOT BRING A RIFLE THAT FALLS UNDER THE SAFE ACT INTO NYS. EVER.
DO NOT BRING MAGAZINES THAT HOLD MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS INTO NYS. EVER.

You will be arrested if they are found, it will not matter that you are active duty at Fort Drum.

Follow the below regulations, they list what types of long arms are permitted in NY:
https://home.army.mil/drum/index.php/my-fort/all-services/weapons-registration

My advice to you is to leave all pistols with your family in Ohio, along with any rifles you are unwilling to modify so they may be compliant with the NY SAFE Act. And absolutely never bring a magazine over ten rounds capacity into the state. Every single one found is another misdemeanor charge. When you get here, you have 72 hours to register your legal weapons with your unit's arms room, or the DES.

Once you get settled in, apply for a NYS pistol permit, in Jefferson County you can get one in a month or two most likely, then you can register your pistols legally with the state and bring them on base to be registered with your unit.

Weapons registration :: Fort Drum

Laws and regulations for possessing, registering and storing privately owned weapons on Fort Drum.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 6:41 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:41:39 -0400

Thank you all for the response. I have a direction now so thank you for clearing up the confusion from miscommunication.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 7:53 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:53:07 -0400

Make sure you get a good safe. Don’t advertise what you have to anyone. Leave them in Ohio.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 9:04 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 21:04:53 -0400

My old boss had this issue when he went to Maryland. He found a different place (back home with friends or family if you can) to store his non state compliance firearms and mags. Your career is not worth not having all of your firearms for 2-3 years.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2019 8:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 20:43:00 -0400

Hey, so I’m a unit armorer and there was a large portion about this specific topic in our class. Basically, you have to notify the PMO of your firearms, get them registered, and then you have to keep them locked up in the arms room until you leave New York. You also can’t leave with your guns. You have to have them shipped to an FFL and have that FFL ship it to an out of state FFL where you pick them up. It’s honestly not worth it, unless you really just like looking at the case you keep your guns in through a locked cage in an arms vault for several years.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Aug 27 at 2019 9:48 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:48:24 -0400

From The Fort Drum Blue Book available for download on their web site:
e. Alcohol Usage and Laws. Refer to Fort Drum Regulation 215-1
f. Firearms and Prohibited Items. All Soldiers and Family members are required to comply
with the following concerning the use and storage of firearms:
(1) Mandatory Registration of all privately owned firearms maintained or used on post with
the Provost Marshal Office. You must license all handguns with the State of New York.
Until licensed, store all handguns in unit arms rooms or with registered off-post firearm dealers.
Storage or possession of privately owned firearms in troop billets/barracks/common
areas is strictly prohibited!
(2) It is unlawful to store, transport, use, or possess privately owned firearms, weapons, and
ammunition except:
(a) In a unit arms room, Family quarters, or Bachelor Officer/Enlisted Quarters.
(b) When engaged in sporting activities, such as hunting and target shooting, at locations
authorized by the Garrison Commander.
(c) When transporting privately owned firearms, weapons or ammunition between places of
use, possession, or storage, as authorized by the unit or Garrison Commander.
(d) It is unlawful to transport, or cause to be transported, any loaded privately owned
firearm on the installation.
(e) It is unlawful to possess military ammunition, including blank ammunition, except as
authorized by the unit or Garrison Commander.

Their is also a warning about carrying personal weapons in your POV enroute to the base
Private Weapons

In New York state, it is a criminal offense – punishable by a year in jail and a $1,000 fine – to possess a privately owned handgun in your residence or on your person unless you have been issued a New York state pistol permit. The only exception is for unloaded antique and replica muzzle-loading pistols and cap-and-ball revolvers.

Handguns may be brought to Fort Drum from an overseas assignment if they are shipped with household goods or hold baggage shipment as authorized by Chapter 13, Army Regulation 55-71. However, upon arriving at Fort Drum, handgun owners must contact the Directorate of Emergency Services, Law Enforcement Division at [login to see] or [login to see] . Let them know handguns are coming. When the shipment arrives, notify the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department at [login to see] . Advise them of your weapon information (i.e. type, caliber, serial number) and follow their instructions. Until they are properly registered, handguns must be stored in unit arms rooms.

While there is no requirement to register rifles and shotguns in New York, there is a requirement to register them and other dangerous weapons (i.e. pellet and BB guns and any other weapon that fires a projectile) on Fort Drum.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 12:14 AM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:14:38 -0400

Check it out. Anyone with the same questions as me here we go. so i spoke with jefferson county and a senior nco at the pmo. One: nys laws DO apply on post in regards to compliance, two: if you bring handguns of any sort with out a nys pistol permit they will be locked at the mwr or unit ar until you have such permit. You cannot utilize them at the range either according to the mwr you can however go in and clean them so you get some supervised visitation so you got that going for ya which is nice. Also should be noted that was the opposite information from the pmo's answer yet I feel the range personnel are more up to speed on this subject. Three: heres the one I was trying to find most info on. You have to preregister everything before arrival. An it needs to be signed by co. Now if thats not possible, turn in at the gate with a 72hr hold to get paperwork signed off on.

I have talked to not only everyone who responded here but to 13 people individually about this all with different answers and yes some were mp's and local leo's. Some stuff yes its black and white however others more officer discretion. I like to play in the defined lines when it comes to this stuff.

Thank you all for the assistance and hopefully this will help others with questions.

Response by 1SG Marc Jensen made Aug 30 at 2019 8:21 AM

1SG Marc Jensen — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:21:24 -0400

Do not take any semiautomatic rifles that were listed in NYS laws unless they've been properly neutered (no collapsible stocks, muzzle attachments, bayonet attachments, etc - they also allow an AR with a permanently attached 10 round mag). Do not take any personal magazines over 10 rounds, each is a felony. Until (if) you become a NY resident and get your NYS handgun permit, and each handgun listed on that permit, they are also illegal. NYS does NOT give non-resident handgun permits.

It is best to leave all those items in friendly territory, bolt, lever, pump, and single shot rifles and shotguns are still allowed (but not in the NYC area without a permit).

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Sep 2 at 2019 4:58 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:58:35 -0400

First of all the state police will tell you that you can drive thru N.Y. with all of them.
BULL SHIT THEY WILL throw you in prison so fast. F Troop that is just outside Fort Drum.
They told me no problem bring them all. Then when I went to the PROVOST MARSHAL'S office to register them. They told me that if I had been stop in NY. I would be sitting in a cell somewhere.
NEW YORK is very anti-gun that is for legal gun owners, So called law enforcement around Fort Drum are very anti-Military.
if they see a Military sticker on your car. Most of them will find a reason to give you a ticket.
There is no real jobs around Drum. So sticking it to the Military is how they fund the countys around Drum.
As far as getting a carry permit forget it. If you are not from there, Then being in the Military will be held against you too.
As far as your hand guns go you have a few choices.
1. Put them in long term storage.
2. Sell them.
3. Keep them in housing or of post in a safe and hope that the police never have a search warrant.
4. Ask your command about some guns you left at home (out of state) if you can store them in the ARMS ROOM. You may have to send them to your next duty station thru a gun shop to another gun shop.
New york likes to get those transfer fees. which in many cases cost more then the gun is worth.
Been there,Done that. Who knows maybe they are not such dicks any more. I left there nine years ago.
Good luck.
If you have pine point orders call the unit.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jul 7 at 2021 3:45 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 15:45:26 -0400

1st call the PROVOST MARSHELL OFFICE. get current reg's and policy's. Like the ARMY SHIT CHANGES daily.
2nd call the hosing office get them to send you the most up to date reg's, I know the 2 Time's that I was there I had to have a GUN safe.
3rd The State and local police will LIE TO YOU most of them around FT.DRUM Hate us. If you are to have any fire arms in new York. they will do every thing to put you in prison. Even if you have carry permits from your last state. you have to have N.Y. state permits for each hand gun then depending on the long gun.
military sticker's and tags off your car, They will find some bull shit resin to give you a ticket. Also about half the Fed cop's on DRUM are dick's hiding behind a badge.
GET EVERY THING IN WRIGHTING to cover your ass.
It is like your enlistment contract. If it NOT IN WRIGHTING it does not mean anything.
Would like to know witch unit you went too. My last was HHC 1/32 med plt.