How do i upgrade my general under honourable conditions discharge to an honourable discharge? Will I have a better chance of reenlistment?

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Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 17 at 2020 10:58 AM

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Dear Luke, I pray that you are successful at finding the answers to your questions. PV2 Private RallyPoint Member

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 17 at 2020 11:00 AM

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Resources post here: https://www.rallypoint.com/topics/re-code

RE Code

A live Q&A where U.S. military members and veterans discuss and evaluate RE Code.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 11:09 AM

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The upgrade process is a very long one and no guarantee. I have head that they only upgrade or change discharges if there is a clerical error. Best of luck!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 11:10 AM

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Also what is your RE code, that has more of an impact with a general Discharge

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 12:32 PM

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In your future endeavors, “shirtless pic” is not a good choice for your profile picture on professional websites like Rally Point or LinkedIn

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 12:39 PM

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To be honest I haven't seen anyone that has been discharged that way ever make it back in. The only time that has happened was during the surge when there were waivers. I don't think that will be case anytime soon.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Aug 17 at 2020 1:08 PM

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Were you discharged during initial training? The reality is that upgrading a discharge unless you can prove that it was given in error just about takes an act of God. However, certain entry level discharges still allow you to enlist again based on the RE code.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 1:14 PM

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What it for. It may be waivorable

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 1:22 PM

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Depending on the reason for discharge you have a few ways. It can be waived, you can request a change through the ABCMR process with a DD Form 149. This takes a over a year. It really depends on the reason for the discharge. Talk to a recruiter for options and advise.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 5:01 PM

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With 100% honesty, you have a better chance of walking on water then getting your discharge upgraded.

However, the good news is that your RE code will play the largest factor in re-enlistment. So of your RE code is 3, you can apply for a waiver through the recruiter and send it up for approval. There is also the matter of any additional codes/chapters in which you are discharged for that will determine the likelihood of getting your waiver approved.

Best of luck!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2020 8:00 PM

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Enjoy the infantry. Even if you do get a waiver. It is possible. My buddy got a general because he drinks too much. He is back in. The placement will be based on the needs of the army.

Response by PO3 Scooter Joe made Nov 12 at 2020 8:08 PM

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That’s why he got a other discharge lol

Response by SSG James N. made Nov 13 at 2020 8:21 AM

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Coming to Rally Point to ask legal questions, knowing everyone is a graduate of The Barracks School of Law, is kinda dumb. You should take all your service records to the nearest VA rep and go that route

Response by SPC Josh Robinson made Nov 13 at 2020 9:10 PM

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You don't. All the platitudes they give you while being discharged are a lie. Unless the Art-15 or Med-Board was somehow done improperly you will never wear a uniform for Uncle Sam again. Best to reinvest in hobbies and move on with life.

Response by SGT Barry Wilson made Nov 14 at 2020 1:56 AM

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"General under HONOURABLE..." - was that from the British, Canadian or Australian forces? Are you on the correct site?

Response by MSG Dr Candi O Belle PhD made Nov 14 at 2020 7:52 AM

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Good Luck with that! Have you seen the leadership lately?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2020 5:58 PM

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First, learn to spell the word honorable. There is only a “u” if you’re British, and we beat them a couple hundred years ago.

Second, while the advice not to listen to barracks lawyers is absolutely correct, I’m a real one.

So here’s the answer. You apply first to the Discharge Review Board and if that doesn’t work to the Army Board of Corrections for Military Records (assuming you were Army, each branch has its own).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2020 8:04 PM

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You don't. You can send in an appeal to the VA but from my stint as a recruiter, there is a 99% chance that they will approve it. Look up what your RE code is on your DD214. If its a 4, its a no. Dont waste your time, or theirs.

Response by SFC Michael Kinsley made Dec 4 at 2020 5:23 PM

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As a rule your RE code is the more important thing to consider even with an honorable discharge.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Dec 14 at 2020 3:00 PM

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You should get to an accredited Veteran Service Officer. There are two approaches to be examined. First your DD214 block 24 and 28 should have the "nature of discharge" and a descriptive notation about your discharge. Gather all records from your service time. If you don't have them form SF-180 filled out and sent to the National Archives will obtain the records, takes about 3-8 weeks. NOW with all in hand the VSO will help with your decision and way to begin. The BCMR, Board of Correction Military Records can be one step providing you have not been discharged longer than 3 years. The Discharge Review Board can be petitioned if your discharge is within 15 years. It is a process and will take much time and energy. A "reality Check" here, these upgrades are not very often granted, so if you go for it, get ALL your ducks in a row, if there is an issue, try to get some people you served with to submit "lay statements" for evidence, your statement should be very precise. By going to the VSO and filing via the VA, you will fall into a "duty to assist" area where the VA will help with locating some unit personnel. I wish you luck on this effort.

Response by Cpl Henry Busby made Dec 15 at 2020 12:08 PM

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You can go online and find a fillable DD 293 form. Complete this form with all available information and submit as directed. Go to an official us.gov site for the form because a lot of sites try to charge you and the VA offers them for free. Good Luck.

Response by A1C Jordan Brenner made Dec 15 at 2020 4:53 PM

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It all depends on your RE-code.

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Dec 16 at 2020 9:29 AM

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I've heard many rumors that this can be done after 6 months of your ETS. This couldn't be more wrong!
The DOD is now reviewing those records of those discharged with mental issues.
To upgrade your discharge, you have to prove that the punishment you received was greater than anyone else who had been discharged under the same dispensary action.
I worked as an accredited veterans officer for 14 years. During that time there was only a .4% chance of being successful..
Good luck.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2020 8:17 PM

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PV2 with a general discharge.. you might consider a different career..

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2020 10:22 PM

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You can appeal a characterization of service with the Army Review Boards Agency (ARBA). Check the following site: https://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-faq.html. There will be more information on what documents to fill out depending on your circumstances and what documentation to provide for their review/consideration. This process takes between 6 months to 1 yr. The best advice is to submit what they request (more is better than less) and be patient and understanding regardless of their determination. Based on my experience, some characterizations do get changed based on the situation and what the rules/regulations were when they happened. Good luck!

abcmr-faq.html.

Response by SGT Michael Paul made Dec 30 at 2020 10:53 PM

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Your general under honorable should automatically get changed to honorable after six months of discharge

Response by SGT Benjamin Parsons made Jan 13 at 2021 1:25 PM

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Let’s be real. If you couldn’t manage an honorable discharge the first time through, the Army doesn’t need you.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Jan 18 at 2021 5:33 PM

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Contact a VSO for discharge upgrades. But a better question might be why should we want you? So, far I'm not feeling like your heart is not into it. If you dont think you can cut it dont waste our time.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Jan 18 at 2021 11:30 PM

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You don't up grade a General Discharge after receiving it. It is upgraded to an Honorable after 6 months, but you have to request it. This can be through the VA I believe. For reenlistment there is a RE Code 1 through 4. Reenlistment codes 1 through 3 can be wavered and all depends on your SPIN Code. If you have a RE 4, forget it, your done unless you want to join the National Guard. They have a different criteria. If you want more information on the codes, go here. https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-separation-codes-3356946
A recruiter can help you with this on your SPIN Code/s.

Complete List of Military Separation Codes

These codes are contained in your military records and may be annotated on various military separation documents, but aren't always explained.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Jan 20 at 2021 6:25 AM

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Army Discharge Review Board
With a comparison between Personal Appearance Hearings and Records Review Hearings

Frequently Asked Questions
Question: What is the purpose of the Army Discharge Review Board?
Answer: The Army Discharge Review Board is authorized to review the character, reason and authority of a discharge of any service member discharged from active military service within the past 15 years. The authority for ADRB review comes from Public Law 95-126 and Title 10 U.S.C. ' 1553. The Department of Defense Directive 1332.28, Discharge Review Board Procedures and Standards, establishes uniform policies and procedures and standards for review of discharges and dismissals. Army Regulation 15-180, Army Discharge Review Board, governs the actions and composition of the ADRB.

Question: Is my discharge automatically upgraded after six months?
Answer: No. There is no automatic upgrade of a discharge after six months or any other time period. Changes or upgrades in discharges are only made if there is a proven error, injustice, or inequity in the discharge. You must provide with your application evidence and supporting documents to show that there is an error, injustice, or inequity in your discharge. You may apply for a discharge review online at http://actsonline.army.mil and send the signature page and evidence as instructed by the online program ' or - you may print a blank DD Form 293 from this website under Army Discharge Review Board application procedures, fill in the form and mail it with your evidence to the address shown on the reverse of the form.

Question: Can the Army Discharge Review Board change my Reentry Eligibility (RE) code?
Answer: The RE code (Reentry Eligibility code) is determined by the reason for separation, not the character of separation.

According to Army Regulation 601-210 (Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment Program), the Reentry Eligibility (RE) code can only be changed if an incorrect code was entered. For this type of correction, please send a letter and a copy of your DD Form 214 to the following address requesting the correction:

Commander
US Army Human Resources Command
Attention: Retention Branch (AHRC-EPF)
1600 Spearhead Division Drive, Dept 365
Fort Knox, KY 40121
The RE code is not upgraded to allow enlistment. Soldiers separated with an RE-3 or RE-4 code must seek a waiver from a recruiter to enlist. Depending on the type of discharge and disqualification, a waiver may not be possible.

https://arba.army.pentagon.mil/adrb-faq.html

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Jan 20 at 2021 6:27 AM

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The Army Discharge Review Board (ADRB) examines an applicant’s request to review the individual’s administrative discharge and to change the characterization of service and/or the reason for discharge based on the standards of equity and propriety. If punitively discharged by a General Court Martial or it is more than 15 years since the applicant’s date of discharge, these issues must be addressed by submitting a DD Form 149 (Application for Correction of Military Records Under the Provisions of Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 1552) to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR).

The ADRB is not authorized to revoke a discharge, to reinstate a person who was separated from the Army, or to recall a person to active duty. Bad conduct discharges given as a result of a special court martial may be upgraded only on the basis of clemency.

The ADRB considers applications on a records review basis or through personal appearance boards in Arlington, Virginia or through quarterly travel board personal appearances at select locations in the Continental United States.

The ADRB conducts reviews in one of three ways at the applicant’s request:

(1) The Board evaluates the case in a records review based on the documentation in the military record and with additional evidence provided by the applicant.

(2) The applicant appears in person, with or without Counsel, before the Board providing information that further supports the applicant’s contention.

(3) The applicant’s counsel appears before the Board on behalf of the applicant.

Expenses incurred by an applicant, applicant’s representative, or witness(es) will not be paid by the Department of the Army or the Department of Defense.

Applicants may engage private counsel at their own expense and/or may contact one of the Military or Veterans Service organizations who provide free counsel or a representative to assist with case preparation.

Application Procedures: Arlington and Travel Board (Click to learn about application procedures)

Frequently Asked Questions

VA Guidance on How to Apply for Discharge Upgrade
http://www.vets.gov/discharge-upgrade-instructions

Publications
DODI 1332.28 - Discharge Review Board (DRB) Procedures and Standards
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133228p.pdf
Army Regulation 15-180 - Army Discharge Review Board
Army Regulation 15-180.pdf

https://arba.army.pentagon.mil/adrb-overview.html

How To Apply For A Discharge Upgrade

Want to apply for a military discharge upgrade or correction? Get step-by-step instructions depending on your specific situation. If your discharge is upgraded, you'll be eligible for VA benefits you earned while serving.

Response by SFC Larry Triplett made Jan 21 at 2021 4:35 AM

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You have to go thru the Army Review Board and they have an 18 month waiting period

Response by TSgt Mark McAtee made Jan 22 at 2021 9:32 AM

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Nope if you received a general you were probably a shit bird

Response by A1C David Kulcinski made Jan 22 at 2021 2:43 PM

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I received a General Under Honorable Conditions from the USAF in 1967. In 1977 I received an Honorable Discharge. I went through the American Red Cross for assistance. It took about a year but, it eventually happened. I don't know if ARC is still helpful to veterans/active or not.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Feb 16 at 2021 5:39 PM

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From IAVA: "The US Army plans to review all other-than-honorable discharges given between April 17, 2011, and Nov. 17, 2020, to soldiers who were diagnosed or had symptoms of a mental health condition or brain injury," reports Military.com. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/14/army-review-more-3500-bad-paper-discharges-post-9-11-vets.html Visit the Yale Law School settlement page for details: https://law.yale.edu/studying-law-yale/clinical-and-experiential-learning/our-clinics/veterans-legal-services-clinic/kennedy-v-mccarthy. If you were discharged with a less-than-honorable service characterization while having a diagnosis of, or showing symptoms attributable to, PTSD or PTSD-related conditions, this could affect you.”

VA.gov also provides all the information and forms you need but I would recommend having an advocate like DAV assist you

Army to Review More Than 3,500 'Bad Paper' Discharges for Post-9/11 Vets

Under a settlement, the service will send notices to thousands more vets who qualify to reapply for a discharge upgrade.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2021 1:07 PM

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I’m curious as to why you received a general discharge you’re only given as part of the information to work with to give you better guidance is there a reason why you received a general discharge instead of an honorable discharge?

Response by Cpl Archie H. made Feb 19 at 2021 6:38 AM

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Law! Individualist in a sense they always put themselves before others. The term serving yourself before others is why people say, “Thank You for your Service”. Read the citation concerning the action that propelled "Captain Gerald O. Young USAF" To the rare award receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor. Given to him by Richard Nixon. Another man who served was a retired US Army major in Nuremberg Germany. He was a combat veteran who had 5 helicopters shot out underneath him in Vietnam evacuating dead and wounded. I mention the late Lt Col Gerald Young because I shared a hospital room with him in Japan. Captain Young at the time told the nurse to take care of me a Marine before his needs were taken care of. I thought he died until a fews ago when I found out he lived on and with a CMH indeed. Onward —— Before I would give an upgrade I would like to see if these petty self serving narcissists with a bad discharge matured into a grown up veterans who changed their thinking. Thinking of others before thinking and acting for themselves. To serve is to think, and act as a team with others in spite of our differences. —— On another note. For me many politicians are also perpetrators of Stolen Valor are just like those putting on a uniform, and medals they did not deserve. The real people Ted Cruz, Josh Holley, and all of those hacks speaking at the insurrection rally; that is before nuancing with anti Biden stop the steal messages directed at the impulsive ignorant clueless masses to attack our elected officials in the US Congress. Those who spoke at the January 6th rally are not serving others in the conservative movement. They are not serving their God! They were serving themselves. For me politicians who promote themselves as patriotic God loving Americans are no less guilty, than some poor sucker serving themselves by putting a uniform on he did not earn, and his medals he did not earn. Our Nation is as bad as it is good! Even with all its warts, and social cancers. Our nation is a single tiny light to the world humans telling them humans from different religions and cultures can live together in peace. God Bless those who serve.

Response by Cpl Archie H. made Feb 19 at 2021 6:45 AM

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First before we grant someone an upgrade discharge we need to look at the reason why, a less than honorable discharged was given in the first place. From my own military experience, I am guessing most if not all leaving the military in my time with a dark spot, felt of themselves as individualists, feeling they were not accountable to the norms of USMJ, and discipline. Not respecting the Rules of Law! Individualist in a sense they always put themselves before others. The term serving yourself before others is why people say, “Thank You for your Service”. Read the citation concerning the action that propelled "Captain Gerald O. Young USAF". To the rare award receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor. Given to him by Richard Nixon. Another man who served was a retired US Army major in Nuremberg Germany. He was a combat veteran who had 5 helicopters shot out underneath him in Vietnam evacuating dead and wounded. I mention the late Lt Col Gerald Young because I shared a hospital room with him in Japan. Captain Young at the time told the nurse to take care of me a Marine before his needs were taken care of. I thought he died until a fews ago when I found out he lived on and with a CMH. Onward —— Before I would give an upgrade I would like to see if these petty self serving narcissists matured into a grown up veterans who changed their thinking. Thinking of others before thinking and acting for themselves. To serve is to think, and act as a team with others in spite of our differences. —— On another note. For me many politicians are also perpetrators of Stolen Valor are just like those putting on a uniform, and medals they did not deserve. The real people Ted Cruz, Josh Holley, and all of those hacks speaking at the insurrection rally; that is before nuancing with anti Biden messages directed at the impulsive ignorant masses to attack our elected officials in the US Congress. Those who spoke at the January 6th rally are not serving others in the conservative movement. They are not serving their God! They were serving themselves. For me politicians who promote themselves as patriotic God loving Americans are no less guilty, than some poor sucker serving themselves by putting a uniform on he did not earn and his medals he did not earn. Our Nation is as bad as it is good! Even with all its warts, and social cancers. Our nation is a single tiny light to the world humans telling them humans from different religions and cultures can live together in peace. God Bless those who serve.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 6:18 AM

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My guess is drugs.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2021 2:23 PM

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Please take a look here:
https://arba.army.pentagon.mil/adrb-overview.html

adrb-overview.html

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Mar 12 at 2021 5:25 PM

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Didn't make the first time. What makes you think it will be different this time. No offense but those I've met in the past only did to obtain VA benefits

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Mar 14 at 2021 9:21 PM

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Be happy with the discharge you received. Also be glad it was with honorable conditions, as I know of a number of prior service that receuved a General Discharge with less than honorable conditions.
Like some of the other replies on here, it is going to depend on what your RE code is, along with what caused you to be booted to begin with from the Army. But like a retired Army JAG that is a neighbor told me, " ...chances are zero to none on getting your discharge upgraded to an Honorable..." So the best to you in your endeavor.

Response by LTC Wayne Dandridge made Mar 15 at 2021 8:25 AM

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See your county or other Veterans Service Officer (VSO).

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Mar 16 at 2021 6:35 PM

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It depends upon your reenlistment code. For example, an enlistment code of RE-4 means “unwaverably disqualified from further service” which is a permanent status. All others less than 4 have at least a possibility of reenlistment.

Response by MAJ Ward Odom made Mar 17 at 2021 3:31 PM

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I would suggest that you contact a County Veterans Service Officer. Nearly every county has them but, if for some reason your county does not, then contact a National Service Officer with the VFW, American Legion, Paralyzed Veterans of America, etc.; all available through their web sites.

Response by PFC Russell W made Mar 17 at 2021 11:16 PM

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I deserved mine and I moved on. I had a Jody situation happen and I lost my focus and screwed up my life a little. It could have been worse and I'm glad I received what I did. As others have stated, it's more than likely not going to be updated unless there was some sort of unfairness or error. I could have cried psych issues and tried for a medical but I didn't. There's others that deserve that and thats taking something away from someone else.
I accepted and learned from my mistake, I take pride that I did choose to serve, and I've found other avenues to succeed. As far as employment, it's never been called into question honestly and if it is for you, just be honest.

Response by 1SG Scott Barrier made Mar 18 at 2021 8:10 AM

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PV2,
The General Under Honorable Conditions is only a narrative. However, you need to pay close attention to your separation codes (SC) along with your Reenlistment code (RE). RE codes are usually 1-4. 1 being the best and you may reenlist. 2-3 usually require a waiver for enlistment. This is based on why you were previously discharged. 4 YOU ARE A NO-GO!!! Find another career.
I have experienced this same situation. My first discharge was the same. My first duty station was great, but my chain of command failed me at the time. After my discharge, I waited one year and applied for enlistment with a waiver and went on to complete 25 years of service. Take your long form of your DD214 and speak with the recruiters/Career Counselor if you choose to reenlist. You may also want to inquire about a DD215 form. This is a correction form, that you may apply for to amend your DD214. Hope this information helps.

Scott Barrier
First Sergeant
US Army Ret.

Response by WO1 Dean Casey made Apr 11 at 2021 9:04 AM

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Need to examine the character of current discreet. Collect evidence to overturn. This is long response. I am a Veteran Service Office in Colorado, call my office between 8 am and 3 pm Mon-Thur and we can talk.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Apr 11 at 2021 12:30 PM

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If you are already out you can apply to the board of appeals for an upgrade. Research it. As far as gei back in see a recruiter.

Response by SFC Jim Hall made Apr 14 at 2021 6:27 PM

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Definitely go to the VA. You can also try to go the route of attempting to get into the reserve or National guard. In the pst they could sometimes take general discharge for certain mos’s. It’s a long shot but might be doable.

Response by SPC Hillary Beal made Apr 14 at 2021 7:38 PM

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responded twice on accident...see that one.

Response by PFC Bill Homans made Apr 16 at 2021 9:19 AM

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I received a General Under Honorable (from the Army) in 1970, in a very unusual case for the time. I left Vietnam on May 22, and due to the dateline change ETSed in San Francisco the same day. It has never bothered me; no prospective employer has ever turned me down because of it. I was able to use all my G.I. Bill educational benefits. The VFW cherrfully accepted me, 30-some years ago, though I don't drink or socialize with them any more.

I was once oversprayed by AO while on a patrol, but luckily I have never had one of the diseases it causes (though 40-odd years later my daughter may have been affected). I have never asked for a GI Bill loan or any other money benefit; I always busted my ass as a civilian working man, and never have needed or requested any money whatsoever from the governmment due to my service.

The key word is "Honorable." The 7-officer Administrative Board that I appealed to for retention decided I would be terminated for regulation 212-257, having "outed" myself as bisexual. I had told my company CO I had missed a formation because I had been sleeping with a fellow GI. The Board knew I was an honorable enlisted man, after the testimony of several officers and high-ranking NCOs. My grandfathers fought in the Spanish-American War and WWI respectively; my father, two uncles and an aunt all fought the Nazis in WW11. We have been patriots since the American Revolution.

Today, there would have been no problem, and I would never have been discharged. The Board went by the rules as they were written then, and although at the time I wanted to stay in the Army, I knew they bore me no ill will by discharging me. A General Under Honoiorable Discharge is NOT "other-than-honorable" (like a UD, BCD or DD). If you were not given a post-service classification 4-R, you can re-enlist.

I'm a helluva lot more honorable than these "Oath-Keepers," "Proud Boys" and "Three Percenters." Every damn one of them in the Jan.6, 2021 insurrection, no matter whether they received a "full" Honorable Discharge, no matter if they got Silver Stars or Purple Hearts, shoulld lose all post-service benefits. Bleep them!

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Apr 16 at 2021 5:32 PM

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You can probably get your discharge upgraded BUT getting your RE code upgraded to RE-1 is almost impossible.I was caught in the RIF of 1982 and denied reenlistment w/RE-2 .I put together a package and was able to get it upgraded to RE-1 BUT I had 7yrs 10months AD W/5 PCS moves made E-5

Response by SPC Lawanda Boddie made Apr 16 at 2021 9:15 PM

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What is your RE code? If I’m not mistaken, that’s the most important factor when considering reenlistment.

Response by SSG Jack Lewis made Apr 17 at 2021 11:38 AM

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I'm curious about your actual motive here. Private Thurman. If I'm reading through this correctly, you're post-basic training but never completed AIT, and the army is putting you out due to your behavior & performance issues.

What I can't tell is whether you really want to reenlist (frankly, your cavalier attitude about infantry rings false); whether you mostly want to gain access to veterans' benefits and "bragging rights," or whether you've just got a chapped ass and want to prove your CoC wrong.

Not trying to ride a high horse, here. I left after one hitch with an Honorable, but I left my follow-on enlistment in the National Guard with an RE-3 reenlistment code that I agreed to, as I figured I was all done with all that. Did not anticipate rejoining the service (Reserves) at 40, but I was glad to do it; there was a war or two on, and they were happy enough to have me. Did my bit, had my deployment, took care of my guys, got back out again and went back to civilian life.

You asked how to upgrade your discharge, but I think your real question is, "What do I do now?" The answer is that you are welcome to research, reach out, and line up resources to upgrade your discharge status. If you find a recruiter trying to make their numbers, they'll have a solid motive help you process a waiver of any code down to RE-3 in order to get you back in -- nobody will be MORE motivated to help you than a recruiter.

But I wouldn't spend all my time on that, if I were you. Whether or not you get back into uniform, you need to put the rest of the pieces in place to have a solid, rewarding life as a good man. You can do that in or out of service. Make yourself into a reliable, service-oriented, talented worker and someone will hire you for responsible work. That doesn't need to be the army, air force, navy, marines, coast guard, etc. There are plenty of ways to prove yourself to the world, and to yourself.

In other words, while you may succeed at upgrading your "report card" where you did not succeed in the "classroom," maybe you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. You already pooped in that basket, and it's a big chore to clean the grass.

Response by SGT Skyler Bagley made Apr 18 at 2021 10:42 AM

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Lol so much wrong going on here, save the recruiters time bro just move on with your life.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2021 11:42 PM

2021-04-18T23:42:07-04:00

Through the Army board of record corrections. Not sure what the name is, Navys is BCNR. Less then 1% are upgraded that dont fall under very specific conditions. Very low chance overall. Heres a link to get started

https://www.va.gov/discharge-upgrade-instructions/

How To Apply For A Discharge Upgrade

Response by SPC Edward Banning made Apr 21 at 2021 11:48 AM

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Call the veterans administration in D.C. they will send you a form you must fill out and return to them. But good luck it takes years sometimes to get an answer and there's no guarantee they will change it. Mine was b.s. because the incoming company commander didn't like me as I was in my last 30 days with no plan to re sign. There was a pt test in my last week that I skipped because there was no point. He got pissed and gave me an under honorable discharge. I promise to punch him in the face of I ever see him again.

Response by SSG Ronald Ralph made Apr 22 at 2021 2:01 PM

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As a former Army Recruiter, I can tell you from experience that the Army is only accepting “the best of the best”. Gone are the days of taking just any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Jane.

You were given one chance to be a member of the Army. You blew it. Move on and better yourself as a civilian.

Response by CAPT Dave Woodard made May 3 at 2021 10:00 AM

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If you're planning on trying to reup in the US military spell correctly. with the current status of the American military it will be a tough row to hoe for sure. Clearly you need to be squeaky clean from the date of the discharge until today. Good Luck

Response by SGT Keith Smith made May 3 at 2021 2:29 PM

2021-05-03T14:29:09-04:00

It really comes down to the reenlist code. The ER code. This is on your DD 214. Find out what it says then ask the recruiter what cab be done.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made May 28 at 2021 8:31 PM

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Here’s the straight scoop from someone who has a General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions. It depends on the RE code to allow you back in. I had a RE-3 which meant I had to wait a minimum of two years before I could rejoin. Then I had to find a unit willing to take me, interview with the commander, then get a waiver from the National Guard Bureau before I could get in the Guard. That was over 23 years ago. So it is possible to get back in with a General Discharge.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2021 8:34 PM

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While I was recruiting this question showed up more often than not. The board that makes those decisions has a 80% or so "No". Unless you have a good reason and multiple letters of recommendation from ranking individuals, you are SOL.

Response by CPT John Gray made Jun 1 at 2021 1:13 PM

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What ever you do, you will have start by obtaining and filling out a DD 293.

Response by SPC Clark Cleghorn made Jun 1 at 2021 8:06 PM

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Go to your local Federal Building, and ask to see the Veterans Rep.

Response by SPC Jennifer Clever made Jun 3 at 2021 10:06 AM

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https://www.va.gov/discharge-upgrade-instructions/

Good lick

How To Apply For A Discharge Upgrade

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2021 12:35 AM

2021-06-06T00:35:39-04:00

Soooo.....I figure by now that you know what your RE code is. How about an update.

Response by SGT Michael Paul made Jun 7 at 2021 7:38 PM

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it can be done with a waiver if you have an RE3 a 4 you are not eligible to enlist. Normally it takes 6 months depending on what u were discharged for

Response by MSgt Carl Longenecker made Jun 23 at 2021 9:45 AM

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What is your goal? Is it to qualify for VA benefits or is it returning to military service? I can address returning to service because I personally fell into this category, re-enlisted, and eventually retired from the Air Force as a Master sergeant.. First determine whether your re-enlistment codes allow you to re-enlist. Either search on Google or take your DD-214 to a recruiter and ask. You many have to try several recruiters before you find one willing to do the work, but it can be done. My recommendation is to try the Army National Guard first. Every unit has one or more recruiters dedicated to that unit. Find a unit that is well below !00% strength because their recruiter will be more willing to work with you than one that is at or above 100% strength. Good luck!

Response by SSG Rheta Perez made Jun 30 at 2021 7:53 AM

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Probably should have thought of that earlier. My husband, the First Sergeant, turned a lot of soldiers’ lives around by pointing out the obvious: don’t be a dickhead.

Response by SGT Drew Clifton made Jul 1 at 2021 1:43 PM

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Take all you discharge paperwork to the VA. They might make you wait a while from when you got out but eventually it shouldnt be an issue to get it upgraded. Especially is it was for overweight, PT, patterns of misconduct, urinalysis and even DUI. I have seen people with all these upgraded.

Response by AN John Filidoro made Jul 1 at 2021 8:56 PM

2021-07-01T20:56:04-04:00

Look to see if the county you are in has a veterans service office. I live in Ohio and all 88 county’s has a veterans service office and all of the services are free. I know for a fact that you can have your discharge upgraded because they have done it at my office. Oh and I’m a Commissioner for the Lake County Veterans Service Office so yes I do know. All you can do is try.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2021 11:21 AM

2021-07-05T11:21:07-04:00

25R discharged as aPV2 with a General UH conditions discharge.

Im interested in that backstory.

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Jul 5 at 2021 8:06 PM

2021-07-05T20:06:04-04:00

Dont. A waiver will get you in, and recruiters have a hotline for waivers. When you get back in, wait for your first 2 EERs showing good service and submit them with the request then and any personal reccomendations i.e. NCOIC, C.O. and they will free walk your papers.

Response by Lt Col Brad Hornsby made Jul 14 at 2021 9:08 AM

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This is a terrible forum for that question. As a retired JAG, most of the advice from “barracks lawyers” was terrible. To get an accurate answer gather all of your paperwork and talk to an attorney with experience in this area. Some old discharges involving homosexuality might be easier. A UOTHC discharge given to avoid a court-martial or by a board, would be harder. Get legal advice from a lawyer, not a forum.

Response by PO2 Steve Tindall made Jul 22 at 2021 8:06 PM

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Not knowing more details than what you've given I can only point to a buddy of mine that was booted out and after a few years was able to have his dishonorable changed to honorable. In HIS case it was DADT and it always bothered him that he had a dishonorable discharge so he fought it. It took him almost a decade but he was able to get it changed. I doubt yours will be that bad but your still going to have to fight. Talk to the local chapter of the VA in your area and ask for help.

Response by SP5 Joe Hiddenname made Aug 1 at 2021 7:34 AM

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Why should it be upgraded? You got a general for a reason....live with it.

Response by SR Javier Hernandez made Aug 3 at 2021 11:27 AM

2021-08-03T11:27:01-04:00

How?

Response by SGT Greg Gold made Aug 7 at 2021 5:23 PM

2021-08-07T17:23:55-04:00

Did the OP ever share what his RE code was?

Response by LTC Anthony Monroe made Sep 5 at 2021 7:43 AM

2021-09-05T07:43:19-04:00

Like the comments, you need to get character references to present to the board, the va does not change your discharge. The VA can for their purposes change rour right to get VA care.

Response by SGT James Wright made Sep 5 at 2021 8:44 PM

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Depending on when you left service, you can go through the VA or if it’s been a long enough amount of time you can apply to the board of corrections to military records

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2021 5:16 PM

2021-09-06T17:16:05-04:00

Have you tried not being a shitbag?

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Sep 7 at 2021 1:32 PM

2021-09-07T13:32:09-04:00

Are you a civilian now? If so see your county Veteran Service Officer (not VA) and get the info on the process.

Response by Bill Husztek made Sep 9 at 2021 6:38 PM

2021-09-09T18:38:10-04:00

Re-enlist for another tour of duty.
Do the job, 24-7, to the best of your mental and physical ability so the people who didn't think you were worth the trouble change their minds.
Then get your honorable discharge.
The second question, answer You shoulda thought of that during your first enlistment.

Response by LTC Joey Rivera made Sep 11 at 2021 7:15 PM

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The reality is, the needs of the Army change from year to year. Generally speaking, the easiest route to get back into uniform is through the National Guard. Why? Because the states are in charge of recruiting and the authority to do exceptions are easier when the states are missing their missions and are understaffed (which most are!). I recommend not giving up and trying alternative routes.

Response by SR Billy Ray made Sep 24 at 2021 8:18 AM

2021-09-24T08:18:15-04:00

HOW DO I UP GRADE

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Nov 9 at 2021 7:13 PM

2021-11-09T19:13:07-05:00

It depends why it was General. But at lest it's under honorable. What is your RE Code?? Take it from there and you have elected federal representatives who may help you.

Response by SP5 Bernard Cook made Jan 6 at 2022 1:25 PM

2022-01-06T13:25:43-05:00

Why should you be able to upgrade your discharge? Those of us who followed the rules, did the right thing and received our honorable discharge, take issue with anyone being able to do this unless there is a high bar of extenuating circumstances which determined how you were separated! A lot of us who were Viet Nam or Viet Nam-era vets, put up with a lotta bullsh*t during our tenure in the military such as seeing the transition from a draft/volunteer in Army '72-'73, to an all-volunteer one and let me tell ya, some of us who were drafted then took extra time for schooling, saw a lotta street punks and thugs come in and thank God we didn't have any kind of military action to which must respond because we would have been screwed with all the "warm bodies" recruiters were lasso-ing! After writing this I noticed that you want to re-enlist, in that case I must temper my response...if you sincerely want to go back and serve "honorably" and straighten out some things, then I say more power to you and good luck! I would start by writing my Congressman.

Response by SPC Ted Heath made Jan 6 at 2022 7:27 PM

2022-01-06T19:27:44-05:00

Wow. I have 2 honorable discharges from active duty, an one honorable from the reserves. I guess I could lend you one?

Response by MSgt Robert Branscome made Jan 9 at 2022 3:14 PM

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I have people that I have helped.
You have to go to your prescher, sheriff, and any person that you know that are up there in the city, county or state government plus anyone you can get to say that you have changed into a fine person now.
With enough and the right ones they will change it so do not give up.

Response by PO2 Jody Neubert made Jan 11 at 2022 5:16 PM

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Start here-- https://www.va.gov/discharge-upgrade-instructions/

How To Apply For A Discharge Upgrade | Veterans Affairs

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made Feb 22 at 2022 11:40 AM

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I had one from the Navy with and RE-4 . I enlisted in the Cal Guard with a waiver. IST ed to Washington state then went active duty Army and retired with 26 years service active duty. I will say i wasn't the best soldier when I was in the Navy I was a very hard worker just got in to too much trouble. I got a second chance and made the most of it and deployed 9 times for total of 9 years. 10 good = 1 ah shit as long as you know you have to make right with your past ways your good no excuses. God Bless good luck

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made Feb 22 at 2022 11:41 AM

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Response by SSG James Nelson made Mar 15 at 2022 4:50 PM

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Petition The Army Board For the Correction of Military Records, Goggle Them.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 15 at 2022 5:34 PM

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I think it’s time to move on.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 15 at 2022 5:35 PM

2022-03-15T17:35:41-04:00

How do you reenlist if you are discharged?

Response by TSgt Ken Richter made Apr 15 at 2022 3:30 AM

2022-04-15T03:30:07-04:00

No disrespect intended but considering how you are handling yourself on this website, it doesn't surprise me that you earned an other than honorable discharge.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2022 3:46 PM

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Thank you CPT for answering or at least giving some advice on next steps. To those other comments, quit nitpicking. If you ain't got nothing nice to say don't say anything at all.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 15 at 2022 5:13 PM

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Depending on what you did to get a general UH. Also should have thought about that before you did what you did to get the GUH.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2022 6:40 PM

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It is almost impossible to upgrade your DD214. To re-enlist, if you have Reenter Code 4 on block 27 of your DD214, you will bar for re-enlistment for life. However, if block 27 is a 2 or 3, you will be able to re-enlist with a waiver, but if it is a 1, you do NOT need a waiver.

Response by SGT Michael Anglemyer made Apr 18 at 2022 8:10 PM

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Was there an injustice? Do you believe there is some basis for leniency or reconsideration of your service characterization based on combat service or post-service achievements? If so, you should submit an application to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records and try to make your case for a board to consider.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2022 10:30 AM

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I am now a Realtor now after serving in Somalia Bosnia Kosovo and Iraq x2. Army can get so much fresh blood off the street they will not take you with an upgraded DD214. and is going to be a DD215(an amendment). And when VA ask you the purpose there is going to be several check boxes like to buy a house, get a better paid job, or a state government or federal gov job. Reelinstment is not among the options to get your upgraded DD215.
FOOT NOTE: the soldiers that i helped to get the upgrade, due to the lack of discipline that they still have loose their house and i get to re-sell.
Moral of the story is
EMBRACE DISCIPLINE, or no one will take you as an employee or as a soldier.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Apr 19 at 2022 11:37 AM

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Reality is, I always approved a general under honorable conditions for non clearance positions however, a court marshal for "serious criminal activity" could be a problem in addition federal employment and positions requiring a security clearance may also be a challenge, work with veteran organizations

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Apr 19 at 2022 11:37 AM

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Response by SSG William Bighouse made Apr 19 at 2022 1:17 PM

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Take your records to the VA

Response by Cpl Mike Collier made Apr 20 at 2022 9:23 PM

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Can you get it changed for the GI bill?

Response by LCpl Walter Larson made Apr 21 at 2022 1:07 AM

2022-04-21T01:07:04-04:00

I'm in a similar situation but I could care less about reenlistment. I was AWOL at one point and had a court marshal. Did some brig time then went to Nam and saw combat. Lost my leg from combat wounds. Could really care less about the "Under honorable conditions." Don't mean nothiin. Proud to have been a combat Marine not some office pogue.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2022 3:28 PM

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I know this is an old post but it just popped up in my email and feed but here is a link for similar questions. Also, why is the OP using the British spelling of honorable? Was he a Canadian or Brit who joined the US Army? :) https://www.archives.gov/personnel-records-center/vso/boards-for-correction-of-military-records

Boards for Correction of Military Records / Discharge Upgrades

NPRC Veterans Service Officer (VSO) NOTE: Prior to submitting a request to a Board for Correction of Military Records, ALL administrative avenues must be used. Generally, that means a request to NPRC for a correction (minor corrections can be made by NPRC), then a request to the military service department (service departments can make more corrections than NPRC), and finally if both these fail, then submit DD Form 149, with supporting...

Response by SPC James Seigars made May 18 at 2022 3:33 AM

2022-05-18T03:33:53-04:00

I actually did this myself way back in 1999. It took me about THREE YEARS to get it done, but I did. As SSG Noar & CPT Cable said it isn’t the smartest thing asking about legal matters on a public forum of any kind & part of the reason is because there are a lot of variables that have to be taken into consideration. My case isn’t going to be exactly like yours, etc.

Anyway, this is what I did:

Took all my paperwork to the recruiter, who went with me to the VA rep. The baby rep looked over my case: Chapter 13-Failure to Adopt with RE-3 code. Then he and the recruiter looked at my ERB which had me in from 1985-1996 (including 6 years IRR, which my discharge paperwork said I wasn’t supposed to have done). So while one took me to have a mental health evaluation the other wrote/called asking how someone with five years service and six Ready Reserves could be discharged on a “Failure to Adopt” chapter when the AR says he doesn’t meet some of the prerequisites for that chapter? They didn’t have an answer and I got a clean bill of health mentally & later physically.

It just so happened about this time the military had a “Try One” program where you could enlist for one year and if you didn’t like it you could ETS. So my recruiter was able to get me a waiver for my RE3 code (which makes it almost impossible to not only rejoin your branch, but also to join any other branch) with the help/evidence he received from the VA representative and I was able to enlist in the National Guard where I stayed until 2001 before transferring over to Active duty until my Retirement/Disability discharge in 2012. Thanks to those two senior NCO’s I was able to correct a youthful mistake and more than double my time in service adding 13 more years to it.

As I said at the beginning, everyone’s case is different. But with the right people behind you and your proving you have matured/evolved from the person who received that discharge in the first place you MIGHT get a second chance. If you do then don’t let them down by wasting it.

Response by PO3 Herman Schloss made May 18 at 2022 2:10 PM

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You can re-enlist. You just need a waiver and some characters witnesses to write a letter for you to your Recruiter.

Response by PO3 Herman Schloss made May 18 at 2022 2:12 PM

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Upgrading your type of discharge is possible but difficult. You'd do best to get a lawyer but you don't need to upgrade your discharge to re-enlist, just a recruiter who is willing to do the paperwork for a waiver for you...

Response by CPO Deborah Simmons made May 18 at 2022 3:24 PM

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The RE code (Reentry Eligibility code) is determined by the reason for separation, not the character of separation. According to Army Regulation 601-210 (Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment Program), the Reentry Eligibility (RE) code can only be changed if an incorrect code was entered. The RE code is not upgraded to allow enlistment. Soldiers separated with a RE-3 or RE-4 code must seek a waiver from a recruiter to enlist. Depending on the type of discharge and disqualification,

Response by A1C Bob Foy made May 20 at 2022 2:42 AM

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Seek help from one of the most influential assistance non-profit veteran organizations in existence. It is called "The Order of the Purple Heart." Ignore the name for they do much, much more. My USMC son asked for help from them. They responded. It took 2 years but they accomplished the mission.

Remember, it does not hurt to ask, even if you are unsure it is applicable!

God Bless this organization and all the others that come to them for help!

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made May 22 at 2022 5:00 PM

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Best to take this matter to your VA service officer.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 24 at 2022 10:05 AM

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Luke, the worst thing that you can do is consult with S--- House Lawyers. I highly recommend that you seek out the assistance of either the DAV or VFW. They will help you with the Board for Correction of Military Records. You indicated that you wanted to re-enlist check your RE code. More importantly be certain of why you want to go back in. Also, rethink the branch of service you want to really affiliate with.