How do you address any challenges with getting young soldiers involved and having pride in your unit?

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:30:58 -0400

I began my career in the military almost 18 years ago. Back then it wasn't rare to see ALL Soldiers including young, more involved with unit activities and having a sense of pride. Now it's like pulling teeth to get Soldiers to do anything outside of what they think is the normal 9-5 duty day. It's frustrating to say the least.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 11:21 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:21:10 -0400

It all starts with their leadership. If Soldiers see that we believe in the organization and have pride, then they will as well. Some Soldiers just don't care and will have no motivation though.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 11:26 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:26:10 -0400

I remember back in 1998 when my career initially started there was a lot of talk about history. Sadly that has gone to the wayside in favor of all of the "don't commit X crime that you've been taught was bad for your entire life" annual training requirements..

Response by LTC John Mohor made Jun 23 at 2017 11:33 AM

LTC John Mohor — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:33:51 -0400

The Marines do a great job instilling their common History. It's the common root of esprit de corps. Ever taken the entire company/ PLT or Det on a Staff ride? Assigning some tour SME duty to research etc could be a good thing. Ever try MOPP4 softball?? Not sure current requirements but back in my LT days when the Cold War hadn't ended yet. My Battery had 7 innings of MOPP4 softball. It sure was a trip trying to hit the ball or even catch it then run in the boots and charcoal pants. Be sure it's slow pitch!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2017 11:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:39:29 -0400

To develop unit pride you need strong esprit de corps, and that starts with leadership, corporal to general. Teach unit history as it pertains to American history and world history. Develop pride in your unit heritage and symbols. All units in the U.S. army are distinguished and all have their own unique histories.

Again I would emphasize the importance of leadership in demonstrating unit pride. I served in three Infantry Regiments, the 11th, the 19th, and the 87th. I was proud to have served in their storied histories and been a part of that lineage. Those are my family, brothers all.

We had field days and competitions to develop rivalries. I was in Bravo 2/87 when it was assigned to the 8th Infantry Division. I am still a part of that historic 10th Mountain Division because I kept that tradition alive personally and with those with whom I served. Soldiers need to know that they are a link in a long chain of tradition. When I read the book Outlaw Platoon, I felt a sense of pride in what those men accomplished because I was in the same platoon, company, and regiment as they were 25 years earlier. You can't buy that kind of pride and loyalty. You must feel it.

I would further add that each man/woman in a unit is directly responsible to keep that tradition alive and well preserved and improve upon its great reputation and never to tarnish it in any way.

Semper fidelis!
The Rock of Chickamauga!
Vires Montesque Vincimus!

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 11:07 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:07:06 -0400

I think Group PT that is both athletically challenging and fun. We played Ultimate Frisbee and I found that to be a great event. Other ideas, like Staff Rides and Military History are outstanding ideas as well. When I was a Cadet, I had to do a report and presentation about the Guidon!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 11:31 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:31:27 -0400

In my experience most morale issues are caused by middle to lower management putting unneeded stress on tasks that are "emergencies". These are the leaders that should enable the commander by accomplishing tasks that assist the commander's intent. When these leaders fail to plan or coordinate more than a few days ahead it's an "emergency". It's possible your unit is experiencing so many "emergencies," your soldiers have no desire to be around the unit more than they have to. Make your middle and lower management suck up extra work on their own until they can resource their soldiers' time so there are little or no last minute no fail missions.

Response by SFC Joseph Lumpkins made Jun 24 at 2017 1:48 PM

SFC Joseph Lumpkins — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:48:25 -0400

When I joined the Army in 1980 I was stationed at Field Station Kunia, Hawaii and we were a Trick and not a platoon nor a company and we did everything together. the older senior NCOs took care of the younger troops and they always made us feel looked family, I am still friends with many of them today. funny thing is taht I went back in 1987 as a SSG and it was all about work and we did very little things unless it was mandated from the command.

Response by CPO Greg Frazho made Jun 24 at 2017 2:20 PM

CPO Greg Frazho — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:20:50 -0400

Mandatory fun is kind of like friendly fire: it isn't. As soon as the chain of command legislates what their people NEED to be doing on their own time, they've lost the game. We already bombard our people with enough "You can't do this, you can't do that, you can't go here, you can't go there", et al. Is it any wonder, then, that the things we say they HAVE to do on top of what they CAN'T do are found by more than a few to be more than a little stifling?

If you dictate something "fun" as an all hands event, nobody will show up. Yeah, they'll be there in person, because they have to be, but they won't WANT to be, which will make them less than enthusiastic participants, to say the least. Are those the kinds of people and are those the kinds of attitudes you want at your command picnic? I wouldn't.

That said, if your command wants to get behind a community project, like playground or park cleanup (I'm not talking about Mission Company), or adopting an elementary or junior high school, put it out for voluntary participation. That way, your chain of command can ACCURATELY gauge who really wants to be there by who shows up, and by implication those who don't by their absence. Not a strike against the non-upwardly mobile, just not a plus.

Lastly, as regards esprit de corps, make unit history part of a new arrival's indoctrination. Have that person's sponsor initiate a dialogue with the person inbound, assess what they know about the command and have them do some simple research on the receiving unit, the parent command of that unit and the higher echelons. That will put their membership in said unit in some sort of historical context. Kind of like an enligthening homework assignment!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 5:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:48:30 -0400

It always starts at the top. Pride in the unit is a collective goal through actions, not words.

CDR's often make the mistake of preaching a lot of good sounding things but not doing it themselves. They and other CO's often micromanage their units indirectly (or directly) disrespecting their NCO's by telling them "how" to do their jobs rather than to simply stick with the 5 W's. They sometimes make a lot of promises and fail to keep them. This sends the message to the rest of the unit that their CDR and leaders are untrustworthy.

NCO's (in some cases) get too wrapped up into focusing only on themselves and failing to do the most important thing, lead the troops. Leading troops is not a CO's job, it was and always has been the role of the NCO.

The NCO should engage their subordinates by putting them in charge of tasks then letting them learn through mistakes and assisting their performance with experienced guidance. Let the troops feel proud and acknowledge their efforts and accomplishments, and of course, take the time to recognize them by writing up awards that help them advance in their careers.

When Soldiers see that everyone is collectively getting involved with each other's success, they often see that the unit is something they can have pride in being a part of. Taking care of Soldiers is not a slogan, it's not meant to be a speech, it's supposed to be an ongoing PMCS of Soldiers to ensure they are at the top of their game, fully mission capable, sent to schools and get them excel and pass the APFT, counsel them to provide guidance on forward progression, get them involved in doing their jobs, let them lead and continue to monitor their progress and recognize them through awards.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2017 7:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:55:57 -0400

While I was at fort Bragg my squad leaders held a BBQ every other month in order to integrate new members to the squad and to sustain team building... but I never see that type of interaction any more... I've been to three installations now

Response by SGT Timothy Stuart made Jun 24 at 2017 8:57 PM

SGT Timothy Stuart — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:57:36 -0400

Sir,
After serving in the Marine Corps (and having the Esprit de Corps drummed into you) and the 3d Armored Cavalry (once I switched branches obviously) I am thankful. However, I believe that it all starts with the individual Marine or Trooper.
I was raised that if you are a part of something bigger than yourself, then you should learn everything you could about that thing. Sports team, Boy Scouts, or some other club it didn't matter what it was. Something about that thing bigger than you attracted you. Be proud of whatever it is and continue the legacy. How else can you help ensure that the thing you liked enough to join will still be there so your kids kids can join?
Unfortunately, the majority of those younger than me today are more self centered. They feel they are the more important thing. Which scares me because this will eventually lead to a lack of knowledge of where we came from. As the old adage says, "Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.".

Response by COL John McClellan made Jun 24 at 2017 10:03 PM

COL John McClellan — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 22:03:31 -0400

First, spell Soldiers correctly! (Check title). The start of the answer, like almost everything else in the military, is... leadership. I suspect you know this already and that accounts for the frustration. Try connecting them to the unit's accomplishments, recent history, and past. Make those things real to young Soldiers. Then, see if there's a way for them to write a new chapter in that book. What unit is this?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2017 11:35 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:35:46 -0400

So there is a strange trend I've been noticing in the last ten years which MAY have something to do with it. When I first came in, literally everyone I came in with was single, unmarried, with maybe a girl/boyfriend at most. The person joining with a spouse or family was few and far between, at least within my AFSC. It was very easy for us to get involved in unit activities, and, to be honest, was something we did happily, as we didn't have anything else to do and it made us feel good.
Now, however, most people I see coming in are married or have kids, or both. At my current duty station alone, I've met more Airmen that are married with kids or have a divorce and a couple kids under their belt than single Airmen. Now, I am married and have kids. But that didn't happen to me until I had been in for five and a half years. Before my wedding, I was at every unit BBQ, every volunteer activity, etc. After? Well, it's simple; I put more value in my family. I view any interference of my time with them as a hostile act. Now that I have kids my free time is extremely limited. If I'm not chasing my two year old around, I'm helping my pregnant wife do stuff. My only actual free time is after the kiddo goes to bed, and he falls asleep late. So my free time is like gold; try to take it from me, I got no problem cutting your hand off.
That's why in my position now that I have just a tiny smidge of leadership responsibility, I schedule things during duty hours. Because let's face it, there are times where people don't have a lot to do. So instead of busy work, I usually do something mid-day Friday or during the week some time when I know people won't be buried in work and can break away a bit. Our squadron supe visited a few weeks ago, and he was very surprised at how high morale was despite our mission set. I have legitimately been approached by members of my unit and straight up told that what I am doing is the best thing that can be done.
I am fully cognizant of the fact that this can't work for all units; I have been a member of units where this isn't possible.
But I understand where both sides are coming from. At the end of the day, my mind is shot; I have a job that requires a lot of brainpower, so when I punch out, I just want to be left alone. I do not want to deal with people. I remember one day it was so bad, when my wife asked me what I wanted for dinner, my mind just could not process the request. Last duty station, we had a guy whose entire job was to lug stuff to and from different places in the facility. At the end of the day, he was covered in sweat and grime and downright physically exhausted. And then they want him to play ultimate football after. It's not a popular statement in the military, but we're not all the same; on the other side of things, I knew a guy who would spend 12 hours at work, punch out, and no matter how tired he was, go 4-wheeling for six hours before going to sleep for maybe four hours and coming back in, an endless amount of energy.
We are currently a military that is short manned and over missioned. I think it's time for us to step back, look at what we do with members on the off time, and say, at least for now, "Back off."

Response by CPT Joshua Dumont made Jul 2 at 2017 11:32 AM

CPT Joshua Dumont — Sun, 02 Jul 2017 11:32:01 -0400

Engagement is useful. In low speed units, many make effort to engage their troops through professional development. In high speed units the smaller group, barriers to entry and desire for self improvement on the part of the individual leads to the elusive esprit.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 2 at 2017 12:46 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 02 Jul 2017 12:46:30 -0400

It doesn't matter what "IT" is. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen cannot stand when someone (another unit) does "IT" better than they do. Use that to your advantage.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Jul 7 at 2017 12:52 PM

SGT Tony Clifford — Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:52:58 -0400

The best way is to create a culture of family. My PSG required that the platoon including the PL eat together in both the field and in garrison. We were encouraged to hang out with each other. The PSG regularly had Platoon functions outside of work. We operated as a family with a strict hierarchy structure. I contend that if you were to make similar overtures on a company level and showed the Joes that you have their backs, the unit cohesion will happen. It requires the 1sg, CO, XO, and platoon leadership to be on board though. I have no doubt you can accomplish this as most combat engineer units have an atmosphere of brotherhood already. I hope that my beloved corps of engineers isn't becoming broken.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2017 2:36 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:36:40 -0400

Lead from the front! You and your 1SG, should always lead from the front, and not the middle or rear. What I mean, is for you to lead PT, be the first to repel down, jump out, and demand that your platoon leaders and platoon SGT's do the same. Educate your soldiers on the history of the unit and their place within the history of the Army. Instill pride in their appearance, and enforce customs and courtesies. Be strict, but fair. Be discipline, but care. Good luck to you.

Response by CPT James Burkholder made Nov 12 at 2017 3:11 PM

CPT James Burkholder — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:11:59 -0500

I was a dumb doctor who assumed command of a wonderful unit. This was RVN and nothing like the military today. I let the guys have their "beer tent" that produced some money that I think was put to use for the mess Sgt. to go to Saigon and buy up stuff from the black market from the general's mess. My men had periodic meals of ham, steak, lobster, and everything else.

Response by SFC Daniel Wenger made Jun 20 at 2018 11:06 AM

SFC Daniel Wenger — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:06:29 -0400

I am a retired military NCO working in the Pentagon as an Ops Officer. Our organization were having a dining out, you know how hard to have people attend the event. They finally made their numbers the last day prior to the event. This is not the same Army I came from and retired in 2000.

Response by SSG Michael Raysses made Jun 20 at 2018 11:15 AM

SSG Michael Raysses — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 11:15:59 -0400

Wow!.... just when you thought RP's questions couldn't get ANY more stupid?!?!?... ya know guys?... we JOINED outta a sense of pride, fear, challenge,.... and WITHOUT KNOWING.... but as with any new job.... we LEARNED, went to our schools... and just kept learning... my time in was special at all commands.... because EACH command had a history, a presence of accomplishments... and?.... if you became involved within the units ranks?.. GREAT!... cuz in my TIME?... you either DID THAT, or you were pretty much ostracized!.... today's young trooper is within a very TECHNICAL branch... so not only are they becoming MOS "Q"qued....alot of these young kids are getting sent out on deployments within their first coupla years within the ranks... so they have ALOT to juggle...between the NCO's and the junior troops?.. what I DID when I served?.... was everything I did, THEY DID.... I made it fun to train.... read..... even to prepare a new recipe in front of the younger less experienced troops.... I was trained by my old MASTER Sgt's that way.... and being a cohesive tight unit... came from those little school houses!.... HOOAH!...❤️

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jun 20 at 2018 3:48 PM

1SG John Highfill — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:48:23 -0400

Teach them teamwork and team training let them make mistakes don’t oversupervise meaningful trading not training for the sake of training

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 20 at 2018 4:05 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 16:05:11 -0400

From my perspective what I saw during the war years, was a lack of support from military basis to local things. I.e funerals, Veterans day parades, Memorial day. I also blame the Army for doing away with a lot of units and combining them with other units that had no unit history. The decimation of older NG units into units with no history has a telling effect on the Guard IMHO. Over my career, I saw things like regimental crest for regiments that don't really exist. Closing of National Guard Units that had lineage and honors going back to 1640's. Units being reassigned that lineage from the Civil war to being under some new command and having them wear patches for a unit that had no history. These mind numbing escapades continue to go on, and for no really good reason. That contributes to a unit Esprit.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jun 20 at 2018 4:36 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 16:36:07 -0400

You take the time to speak to your Soldiers, listen to their issues and share with your subordinate leaders. Talk to them about how it is they motivate or profess to motivate their Sokdiers. Discuss Duty, Honor, Country and pride in the organization. Look at what you do or don’t do to establish a foundation for high moral and esprit. Unit runs, BBQ’s, sports days etc. also remember to real in the Families ensuring they have buyin. I could go on, you got this. Thank you for your service.

Response by SGT Charles Ludwigsen made Jun 20 at 2018 4:46 PM

SGT Charles Ludwigsen — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 16:46:53 -0400

I served in the 80’s and my son is serving now. I gave him 3 pieces of advice...

1. Forget the notion of “never volunteer”. Take chances, volunteer, be willing to help. Sure, sometimes it will be a dirty detail job, but you will be helping your unit. Sometimes the ‘detail’ will open doors.
2. Aim to be the best, the absolute best. Not to beat or out do your fellow soldiers, but purely to be the best for the good of yourself, your unit, and your mission.
3. When you achieve “the best” at something, don’t let it go to your head and act better than others.

That young man just graduated AIT as Distinguished Honor Grad, and had nothing but great things to say about his fellow soldiers all day long.

Do these, and you will always have pride in your unit.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 20 at 2018 6:05 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 18:05:31 -0400

We gave soldiers comp time for working weekends. I always had volunteers. Leaders need to be fair about rewards and details. Suckage is more acceptable when it is fair. Respect the soldiers and show that you care about them. Create a family atmosphere and culture. Have fun.

As the commander I had the latitude to set up fun things for the soldiers. I arranged helicopter rides, bbqued for them, gave them restaurant gift certificates, played football on Fridays, ran 3 miles and hat hot chow waiting. Every birthday person got a cake and the day off. I told the leaders we will go world class sometimes for let's say Christmas parties and the door prizes were TVs, Boom boxes, other electronics, framed and autographed picture of me with a 4 day pass in the back. We had fun, worked hard, and cared for each other. I could not ask for anything more. This was the highlight of my career.

We expected everyone to get dirty and the unit leadership helped with spring clean up, gate guard after 911, and funeral details. I did many funeral details as a LT so I volunteered to be the unit funeral OIC as a CPT. We were serious about promoting personal and professional growth. One soldier was given some afternoons off if her duties were complete to attend college classes. The unit sent a soldier to the White House Communications unit, and another was sent to OCS. We were tight, liked, and respected each other, we had fun together. I could not ask for anything more :)

I need to go to hell with the soldiers and back, before I ask them to go to hell with me and back.

Response by Cpl Elijah Gordon made Jun 20 at 2018 8:36 PM

Cpl Elijah Gordon — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:36:59 -0400

Allow underage drinking on base again, open up the e-clubs so that women can get on base, and don’t NJP lower ranks for doing mildly stupid stuff on weekends...you’ll get that cohesion back.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2018 7:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:00:25 -0400

Sir, the more you try forcing us to do things, the less people will want to do anything with the unit. Morale starts at that 9-5. If soldiers don't have any morale at work, a unit Ball, cookout, or anything else of the nature aren't going to raise morale. In my experience, the main drain to morale is toxic senior NCOs. If you shield soldiers from toxic leadership it goes a long way.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Jun 21 at 2018 8:40 AM

SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:40:06 -0400

Sir,
I joined the Army back in 1992. My duty station was at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, CA. One of the things I noticed was that even though Soldiers didn't get along with the leadership in some aspects, they did have pride on what they did, pride on the mission. I'll be honest, no one likes to conduct unit runs under a 100 degree weather, but we did it, and we had lots of fun with it. At the end of rotations, we did BBQ's at our motor pool...everyone showed up, even those just returning from their last missions from out on the field. The crazy thing is that no one wanted to go home, hahaha! I loved that stuff!
Towards the end of my career, you are right, trying to get the Soldiers together is like pulling teeth. I hate to say it Sir, but some of that falls on the leadership. When I was filling in as a Platoon Sergeant, I was overwhelmed with work from meetings, NCOERs, Awards, FTXs, etc., you know how it is. But we also have to make the time to talk to the subordinates. My Platoon Sergeant actually did that, he brought in Soldiers to his office and talk to them one on one, on a relaxed setting. He actually took notes of Soldiers concerns which made them feel like he actually care in which he did. Now, I'm not saying to bring in the whole company into your office and talk to all your Soldiers. But maybe this is something you can do with your XO, Platoon Leaders, even your 1SG. Which bring me to another point. Unless you are doing it already, and I know we get busy, but we have to show our face. Soldiers like to see who the Company Commander is, not just from a picture on the wall, but the actual person. Unit functions are great because it gets us out of the uniform which makes us a little more approachable.
You're right Sir, times have changed. Is not like it used to be, but it can be done. Good luck Sir!

Response by SCPO Dan Martin made Jun 21 at 2018 10:11 AM

SCPO Dan Martin — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:11:54 -0400

Take away their Xboxes, Gameboys, and cell phones. Maybe they could learn to be sociable again.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 21 at 2018 2:37 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 14:37:16 -0400

I am a firm believer in caring and taking care of soldiers, but the crux of the matter is, you have to be able to show it.

Response by SPC Chuck Fluharty made Jun 21 at 2018 3:10 PM

SPC Chuck Fluharty — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:10:15 -0400

Buy Beer they will come

Response by SGT Phelan Hoover made Jun 21 at 2018 5:51 PM

SGT Phelan Hoover — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:51:09 -0400

Thats easy sir, I got out in 2009 and the problems the military was having. Is it was being more ran like an organozation taking the power away from Non-Commissioned Officers to be able to discipline soliders. Im the professionalism, pride and sense of honor, the Armed Forces establishes. Since, I have been out also, their has been a wide variety of younger millenials who think (That I have seen). That, it is great to mootch off there parents, then live independantly. I got into a argument with my Fire Department younger generation becuase they were, "Laughing about mootching off there parents". Then had a problem with me living independantly from my family. Complained to my fire cheif and had me booted. Because, what I seen with them being disrepectful to there parents and then to the Fire Department Officials. They acted like, I had the problem, I didnt shed a tear when I left. To me I know it is a deeper root in society in this manner of new Junior enlisted. It is alot like a plague or cancer of the system that drags it down.

Response by MSG Tim Bertrand made Jun 22 at 2018 12:16 AM

MSG Tim Bertrand — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 00:16:13 -0400

Get officers and NCO's to create and instill unit cohesion, esprit de corps by engaging in unit and family activities. Everyone needs to be involved and that doesn't mean rank dictates but collaboration is a must.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 8:32 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 08:32:27 -0400

I was the Single Marine Program rep for my battalion. The Battalion CO asked me why Marines don't show up to barracks stuff. I simply told him because Chains of Command show up. The CoC stopped coming and attendance sky rocketed. The last thing any Marine wants to see is his "boss" when it's Libo after having been in threat of getting burned all day by same boss.
Some units are just better than others when it comes to unit comradery. And no, sending your unit to the field for training constantly is not going to be that "shared suffering expirence" that will help.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 9:34 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 09:34:03 -0400

If you want Soldiers to invest "their time" in the unit, don't waste their time on meaningless garbage at other times. There is nothing more frustrating to me as a leader than getting the "why are we still here" question when I don't have the answer and am wondering the same thing myself.

Response by SFC Matthew Wagner made Jun 22 at 2018 9:44 AM

SFC Matthew Wagner — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 09:44:22 -0400

Pride in your unit is not built by "mandatory fun days" or the Commander blathering on about past achievements.

One way pride and teamwork in a unit is built is through adversity. Challenging, realistic and exhaustive training exercises that prepare the unit for War. I grew up in the Ranger Regiment. I was never more proud of my unit and by extention my place within it than when I was dirty, tired and sore from some long range movement or tough live fire.

Response by SSG Richard LaVergne made Jun 22 at 2018 10:23 AM

SSG Richard LaVergne — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:23:20 -0400

I remember having family movie nights and cookouts at Battalion HQ. The families really got to know each other and the commeradiery was amazing.

Response by TSgt Frank H made Jun 22 at 2018 10:43 AM

TSgt Frank H — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:43:09 -0400

MOPP 4 softball sounds like fun. Entertaining just to watch.

Response by CPL Jeremy Glenn made Jun 22 at 2018 10:47 AM

CPL Jeremy Glenn — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:47:35 -0400

You can thank the wave of toxic leadership for that. Things went from cultivating leaders and wanting soldiers to succeed to holding onto power and showing favoritism. Toxic leadership killed esprit de corps. The only way to get that back is to have a culture change. One that is hard, but fair, and doesn’t allow for unit commanders and their cadre to parcel out rank and responsibilities to those that they “like”. One that gives everyone a chance to step up and be molded into a leader. Leaders aren’t born they're made by mentors that pour into their subordinates. In my last 5 years in the army there was not one person in the upper chain of command that I would do anything for that wasn’t my duty. E6 and below was a different story. Those were the guys we worked with. When you see, however, the platoon sergeants and up denying opportunities because they just didn’t like someone you begin to grow calloused against them.

Response by Sgt Wesley Bennett made Jun 22 at 2018 10:53 AM

Sgt Wesley Bennett — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:53:34 -0400

From a perspective of an enlisted Marine, I never minded working long hours. I only minded when others were allowed to leave early or we stayed at work for no apparent reason. For example, our Battalion would have an annual family fun day. The Marines that were married were able to leave early to go home and get their families, while we all had to stay and set up for the family day and the. Had to stay late to break it all down.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 11:29 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:29:07 -0400

Friendly competition us a great way to instill pride. Company Org days can have platoons competing for a plaque, 4 day weekend, or just bragging rights, and on up to companies and BNs competing.

Response by SSG Ron Raade made Jun 22 at 2018 11:53 AM

SSG Ron Raade — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:53:58 -0400

Kick doors in, clear rooms, do it with air softsofts or paintballs. Do contact drills, ambush drills. Get out of the norm and train as warriors. Surprisingly simple to do and everyone loves pulling triggers and learning tactics. People pay to do this shit we pay them. Thing about Spartan week. Sign up Unit and live as Spartans and dress as Spartans then run the event as a Spartan. Units that train with innovative and outside the box thinking quickly become the place to be.

Response by COL William Oseles made Jun 22 at 2018 12:30 PM

COL William Oseles — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:30:23 -0400

Liberal attitudes have turned a Profession into a job.

Response by SSgt Albert Childress made Jun 22 at 2018 12:43 PM

SSgt Albert Childress — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 12:43:20 -0400

Doing things as a group is a great way of building comraderie, but not if it is forced. Back when I was in my flight chief would have get together for just our work group at a Wings N Subs place for like Monday Night Football. There were like 20 on our shift, and most showed up those nights just to hang out, talk, drink beer and eat good food. As for our entire squadron, they had a picnic every year at our base park, and was for everyone, to include family, and that was ok. But, most don't really like hanging with the officers too much outside of work. Lol

Response by SPC Derick Williamson made Jun 22 at 2018 1:21 PM

SPC Derick Williamson — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:21:08 -0400

Your soldiers have priorities and some of them are well outside of the army. My suggestion is focus on making it clear that you understand their priorities. Then follow it up by focusing on team work and team based events not mandatory fun stuff but make morning PT and PT evaluations competition and team based granting the winning teams long weekends or better details or something. Making training exercises focus in challenging yet fun things obsticals courses, team events, etc.

The two biggest killers or moral and lacking team spirit, is apathetic or worse yet toxic leadership.

You don't have to be their friend but I'd you soldiers think you don't care at all about their families or whatever their other priorities are then they will see you as nothing more then another leader who just doesn't care. That's just my perspective from my time as a lower enlisted. I hope it helps and good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 1:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:31:12 -0400

As many have stated, unit history is the basis of unit pride amongst troops. Inculcate them into the fact that they are the present part of the units history that future generations will emulate. Old Soldiers love to tell tales of the units they were in, especially the good ones where they trained hard in the field, worked hard in garrison and partied harder when they were off duty. Where the officers and NCOs actually knew their troops and treated them as family and valuable assets.
In my own experiences one of the best units I ever served in was an itty bitty little dental detachment at Fort Bragg whose history started in WWII as a medical gas detachment. One of our 1SGs served in the unit while it was in Vietnam and our CO had each of us feeling that if we slacked off, the whole Army would suffer as a result. It was one of those units that had folks willing to low crawl across broken glass in the middle of hell while dressed in a gasoline suit.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 1:53 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:53:03 -0400

Very simple sir, if you take care of your soldiers they will take care of you! You have to find out what they care about and that is their personal time. For example, if you tell your soldiers everyday, "lets shoot for 1530 to be out of here today" watch how hard they work to get it done by 1430. But it doesnt stop there, honor your word and when it comes time for long hours, you never have to worry about your soldiers complaining.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 2:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:34:27 -0400

I had a battalion officer threatening the soldiers (all but HQ and support company) with article 15 for not showing up for a Thanksgiving "fun day until one of the line co. Commanders informed him thet aviation personnel was actually working all day long. Way to show you care about your soldiers, lol.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 5:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:35:29 -0400

I have about the same time and this is a true story. The army has changed so much since the war began but, treating them like they are more than a number is a good start

Response by Deacon Wunderlich made Jun 22 at 2018 5:42 PM

Deacon Wunderlich — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:42:54 -0400

History can really help. Let them understand that they are a part of a mission bigger than themselves and with a history of achievement.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2018 7:56 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:56:20 -0400

Here's the thing, it's not about doing activities outside of work. It's these activities coming down last minute when you already made plans. Getting info 24 hours prior is something I'm sure all command teams need to do a better job on.

Response by Cecelia Brewer made Jun 22 at 2018 10:08 PM

Cecelia Brewer — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 22:08:29 -0400

They probably received “Participation Ribbons in school. That is ruining our young people, so NO one will get their tender feelings hurt

Response by SGT Chris Lynch made Jun 22 at 2018 11:46 PM

SGT Chris Lynch — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 23:46:58 -0400

The best way is to Sign your soldiers up for all the programs thats how I got to do everything in the Military once a soldier get taste of fun or history of the programs they will sogn themselves up

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Jun 23 at 2018 12:49 AM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 00:49:42 -0400

Welcome to life. Some will get it and some never will. Just keep on trying. You’ll probably never know when it will finally click for some.

Response by PO1 Mb Mcintosh made Jun 23 at 2018 7:27 AM

PO1 Mb Mcintosh — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 07:27:58 -0400

Military is a reflection of civilian world. Getting on with the volunteer fire department in my community used to be extremely competitive- a relative had to die before you could get a shot. Now they have to advertise for members.

Response by PO1 Duane Mosier made Jun 23 at 2018 8:00 AM

PO1 Duane Mosier — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:00:47 -0400

Unfortunately alcohol is a part of most military party functions. That being said members can’t really relax at unit functions because of zero tolerance policies.

Response by SSG Phillip Wilson made Jun 23 at 2018 8:18 AM

SSG Phillip Wilson — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 08:18:48 -0400

I always felt the best way to bring a unit together was through shared tough experiences (pain). Going to the field for a week or more and actually have it challenging. When everyone comes back they usually are closer for a few weeks until it wears off. A lot times when a unit deploys to the mideast many of the soldiers leave the unit when soon after they return (get out or transfer) so they don't have chance to continue thier unit cohesion.

Response by SP5 Joel McDargh made Jun 23 at 2018 9:08 AM

SP5 Joel McDargh — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 09:08:46 -0400

During my time in the army it was my experience having to contend with officers and NCOs who were more interested in their power and ego trip. Any esprit de corp was quickly killed by these individuals by their failure to recognize the value and contributions of their troops and make awards accordingly.

Response by CPL John Connors made Jun 23 at 2018 11:14 AM

CPL John Connors — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:14:09 -0400

History brings out so much of our tradition but it also doe help installing pride. Not just in country but by unit even. Make you feel part of something so much bigger then not only the here and now but as the Unit as a whole. It's hard to get the average private and up Sargent's to get involved in other activities be it for lack of interest or desires to remain hard core or less then just the 9to 5 guy. I always was taught everyone has a need a place and a purpose. It's those who find it in every one are those that succeed and in the Same way help others to succeed also

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 11:20 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:20:46 -0400

Spur rides during duty hours, sports pt more than once a month, fitness competition ex: 90 days to train allowed to train during pt hours then you have sprint deadlift swimming ...etc competitions. Get involved with the cab when they do search and rescue see if you can train sere in short you can have a crazy game of hide and seek, and at the end of the day have a cookout not manditory but just fun bring beer and steaks and leave the ranks at home. us lower enlisted appreciate that. I always loved calling my 1sg out until he played the mafia in beer pong and won. Little things, unprofessional things that mold the troop to be professional and have an off switch between soldier and civilian create cohesion. Out of everything sir “pulling teeth” have you ever thought tell your joes no pt meet at an ihop for breakfast and ask them what you can do for them how can you improve this team. It goes along way. Talk to them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 12:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 12:30:47 -0400

An over-emphasis on professionalism combined with an abundance of well-intended rules meant to curb infractions can quickly turn what was once considered a “brotherhood” into a pseudo-corporation. As a result, the gap between lower-enlisted, NCO’s, and Officers will continue to widen and soldiers at all levels will be less likely to attend off-duty military functions. They know that these functions will be divided amongst ranks and if they’re going to do something fun with their peers, they’d rather do it elsewhere as opposed to under the watchful and judgmental eyes of their leadership.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 12:35 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 12:35:27 -0400

Look within. It’s pretty simple. Troops/employees hang out with people they like. Even if a tough guy, if the troops think/feel that their command truly takes care of them and motivates them to be a good soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, they are more likely to show up. If the leaders aren’t inspiring, then the troops don’t want to be around them. We’ve all been in units that were great and others that were terrible —- it came down to the leadership of the unit. Now that I’m in corporate America, I’ve learned the expression, employees don’t leave a company, they leave a manager.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 1:32 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:32:01 -0400

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Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 2:52 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 14:52:33 -0400

Its one thing when you actually have a person who does not care or give a sh*^*. But after my 9 years and currently still in the navy and busting my ass to make E6 right at 7 years. I have had several hostile working environments for years at a time and the chain of cmd would not do anything about it even after assaults on the troops. Working hours that were 10 to 15 hours a day most of the time where a good 6 to 8 were sitting on you ass standing by because the chain of cmd would not let you leave. Your higher ups not supporting you or the division other then trying to use you as there next rank. The top brass of the cmd not being informed and every other thing being swept under the table to cover up the piece of sh&^ who continuously does something stupid or the rest of the cmd pays for it. But you do one thing wrong and you are nailed to the wall and made an example of. The majority of the time that i have seen my guys not care is because of what i just listed and so much more. There are too many parts of the military now where the chain of cmd and immediate chain of cmd do not care and use the men as bodies. I can not say that is what is going on in your unit. But over the past 9 years this is what i have experienced first hand and have been the direct negative result of what i have listed. If i were financially stable to leave the navy i would have this year. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of people who are lazy and need to be dealt with. But if the chain of cmd does not support there men and women, what i have listed and so much more was the direct result of people just not caring because the chain of cmd did not support them or used them for there next rank.

Response by SGT Kaye Fiorello made Jun 23 at 2018 2:54 PM

SGT Kaye Fiorello — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 14:54:19 -0400

Take away the cell phones. Throw away powerpoint! Bring back the old school SGTs time. Inter unit softball games,flag football etc. Get rid of individual PT. Conduct PT once a week in a unit t shirt instead of the army t. There are lots of little things that can easily be done.. stop...also..leaders need to be just as miserable as the troops before they can understand how to fix it....get those leaders to all the mandatory fun and crack of dawn pt....

Response by CPT Robert Bailey made Jun 23 at 2018 3:10 PM

CPT Robert Bailey — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:10:02 -0400

So the one thing that’s always worked for me and to this day and in corporate America is get to know your people. What makes each tick. Make them feel their contribution is valid and needed. Hold all accountable fairly! Even your best when they screw up. Once you know what the individual’s motivations are then you can develop plans on how maximize their potential. This guy likes OT, this gal likes time off....utilize that. But as a team...as long as you have complete disclosure on expectations, mission, goal, end state and you are fair and upfront....you’ll have buy in on the team as a whole! Maybe not everyone...always have the outliers....but most!

Response by SPC Andrew Deckman made Jun 23 at 2018 3:44 PM

SPC Andrew Deckman — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:44:29 -0400

I can only comment on my time in the army as a lowly specialist (I know the title says CPL, spec not an option). I agree a bit with the knowledge of were your unit came from would help a little. I was in Korea in 2 ID 74th brigade 74th battalion, to this day I don't know what that means.
The biggest thing that except for the last 2 weeks out of 5 years there were no promotions To E 5 or 6 whatsoever. Mandatory fun was there only to benefit upper ranks. We would get to do the mandatory fun then clean up after upper ranks after, yeppee sign me up. We had a shortage in Korea and was working 16 hour days 7 days a week and our readiness went down to 85%. The army shipped in some people from the states to catch us up and within 2 weeks were back up about 95% after a month there the help got medals for there support. We got nothing but the ability to only work 12 hour days after.
When I got back to the States I had a master sheet ask me to go to soldier of the year boards. When I said I was not interested the master Sargent tried to kick me out or the army. Even though I had less than a year left. Thank God for a sgt first class and a staff sgt told the master Sargent to just order me to the boards. I of course went and won many awards but with these awards and $5 I could get a cup of coffee. But the master sgt got something out of it to further their career.

Response by COL Thomas McGrath made Jun 23 at 2018 4:11 PM

COL Thomas McGrath — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 16:11:15 -0400

Always strive for the best and be the best!! Soldiers like to be on a good team so build that team. Empower your lieutenants and junior NCOs to do their jobs and reward those who do well and remove those who don’t. Get your 1SG fully involved along with advice from the BN CSM. Build a strong OPD and NCOPD program to teach the standards. Read 600-3 and use those examples for yourself.

Response by Fixly Gibbles made Jun 23 at 2018 5:17 PM

Fixly Gibbles — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:17:23 -0400

It's easy to get your young soldiers to have pride in your unit, just get your E5s and E6s invested. Everyone in the Army has a competitive personality, if you just get your low level leaders invested in the unit they'll build the moral fine. The problem most units face is that the first line leader wants to tell you how ate up the unit is and how his last one treated him so much better.

Response by PO2 Clifton Pryor made Jun 23 at 2018 5:23 PM

PO2 Clifton Pryor — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:23:07 -0400

I’ve alway said personnel equipment and then mission. Lead by example and take care of you personnel in return they take care of the equipment and you will have no problem completing mission. Get down in the pits work side by side with your men.

Response by 1SG Fred Campbell made Jun 23 at 2018 6:50 PM

1SG Fred Campbell — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:50:08 -0400

Show your troops you have their backs and will stand up for them as much as you can. But keep in mind, you take care of your children by saying NO at times. You won’t win every fight, but you must keep trying.

Response by SGT Christina Barron made Jun 23 at 2018 7:57 PM

SGT Christina Barron — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 19:57:00 -0400

I agree that "mandatory fun" isn't usually fun, especially when it doesn't really pertain to the Soldier. Family Readiness BBQs and Family Readiness Holiday Parties are all fine and dandy for the Soldiers who both live close enough for their families to come, and who even have families in the first place.

For the last several years that I was in the National Guard, I lived nearly 300 miles from my unit. FRG would schedule events to coincide with Drill Weekend, so that the Soldiers were there. The Command would require that everyone go, but there was no reimbursement to get far-flung family members there. Not to mention, I was single with no dependents anyway. Most of us who didn't have families or didn't have families near enough to come were simply watching the clock for when we could leave.

Response by SGT Peter Dunn made Jun 23 at 2018 9:50 PM

SGT Peter Dunn — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:50:06 -0400

Was lucky to have served in some great units during the cold war still talk to people from 11th ACR from 30 years ago

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 11:22 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jun 2018 23:22:49 -0400

It starts at recruiting. Honestly, some of these people should have never arrived at reception or contracted as a cadet.

Response by SPC David Durham made Jun 24 at 2018 8:22 AM

SPC David Durham — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 08:22:32 -0400

Keep em in the field

Response by PO1 Eric Ford made Jun 24 at 2018 8:53 AM

PO1 Eric Ford — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 08:53:19 -0400

Millennial Military is a scary and depressing thought...

Response by 1SG Raymond Woothtakewahbitty made Jun 24 at 2018 9:05 AM

1SG Raymond Woothtakewahbitty — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 09:05:09 -0400

When I was a 1SG at JBLM we had a pretty low turn out at our FRG so for the next one I told everyone if they come to the FRG meeting they could skip PT the next day. We had about 10 or 15 people not come so PT that next day was a 7 mile run through the woods off trail with a couple of stream crossings at the end of the run we were all dirty tired and cut up but from then on we had 100% attendance at the FRG meetings

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 10:11 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 10:11:46 -0400

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Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 11:00 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:00:43 -0400

I hear that basic isn't what it was back in the sixties...goofed up, ya got your ass kicked (the first time by the D.I., second time he punished everybody for your screw-up.....BINGO...blanket party. Basic was always to break ya down, to give ya pride in yourself...once ya got that..the rest will follow...

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 11:47 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:47:35 -0400

Pride needs to be guided in the right direction. For example, my department isn’t going to stand proudly and cheer when the leadership’s idea of showing what we’re made of is staying late on a Friday to clean another department’s part of the ship for them because they’re too busy to clean it themselves.

Response by SGT Donovan Leeds made Jun 24 at 2018 1:43 PM

SGT Donovan Leeds — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 13:43:42 -0400

I spent a little under 11 years in (94-05) and the ONLY time I was in a unit with any esprit de corps was during my year in Korea. It’s difficult to have unit functions or group activities when everyone is on a different schedule. My last assignment, I couldn’t even identify half the people in my Company.

Response by SSgt Holly Hecker-Pupo made Jun 24 at 2018 7:21 PM

SSgt Holly Hecker-Pupo — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:21:53 -0400

We did a lot together as a unit. Sports, BBQs or sitting in the pub talking and watching games. It was almost a guarantee that on Friday afternoon someone would come by and say going to the pub - you coming?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 7:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 19:26:00 -0400

I treat my soldiers the way that I wished I was treated before I was a NCO. I inform them of the full picture and tell them omhownthier small piece make it all work. I dont work them if I have no work for them, (crazy thought but if I only need 5 guys I split the time it will take into groups of 5. I have earned their respect rather than just demanding it and constantly show them by action I will do the worst jobs right beside my E5s and lower. when I need them to work they all bust their asses. As far as after hours functions I have been lucky this far that a majority of my guys will do something as simple as a game or two of spades or go fishing. It starts with how you treat them but spending time to get to know them as people will go a long way. I could never imagine deploying with Soldiers I dont know enough about to understand what makes them tick. Let a lone no have establishing a strong level of comraderie

Response by 1LT Stephen Estopinal made Jun 24 at 2018 8:33 PM

1LT Stephen Estopinal — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:33:45 -0400

9-5 duty day????!! They have that now? It’s an army I don’t recognize.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 8:34 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:34:11 -0400

A lot of cohesion came from forced cohabitation on post. A lot came from boozing together as a unit. When was your last dining IN? Complete with drunken jousting with pool noodles in office chairs? Now that pretty much everyone lives off post or in a neighborhood on post that isn’t segregated by unit and rank, and booze is the devil...no wonder everyone becomes a civilian at 1700.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Jun 24 at 2018 10:25 PM

SSG Will Phillips — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 22:25:54 -0400

Sir, I am assuming that you are a company commander. The first thing I can suggest is to get your 1st SGT involved to assist you in this. Secondly, closely observe your platoon leaders. Insure that they are A. Learning from their platoon sergeants & squad leaders and are not putting unrealistic expectations on their troops in order to look good and adding undue stress to their lives. B. 1st SGT's need to do the same thing with their NCO's. Good leaders earn respect from their subordinates. NCO's in particular have to monitor and mentor their subordinates to be the best they can be. Lead by example! Be technically and tactically proficient. Always be as fair as possible and as harsh when needed. C. Have a sense of humor (without degrading your position). I have had company commanders (and senior NCO's) that I am not sure if I would piss on them if they were on fire. And a few that I would literally walk into hell with. Motivating the un-motivated is a tricky thing. I would not have taken the time to post this Sir if I did not think you were a good officer. I feel certain you will come up with a good plan to address your concerns!

Best of luck,

Airborne All The Way!

Response by SSgt Eric Swanson made Jun 24 at 2018 11:08 PM

SSgt Eric Swanson — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 23:08:41 -0400

When I was in the Marine Corps, there was no option. All Company activities were mandatory attend events.

Response by MAJ Lawrence Lauck made Jun 25 at 2018 1:06 AM

MAJ Lawrence Lauck — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 01:06:45 -0400

Way back when I was gifted with a company of laborers, highest awoken rate, most arrests, etc. We begged the Battalion for a steady job and we were given an chemical warehouse to run. Within 3 months we were a proud unit with lowest DR rate in battalion. Pride develops when our soldier's can see accomplishments and be given responsibility with attainable goals.

Response by LTC Al Floyd made Jun 25 at 2018 7:59 AM

LTC Al Floyd — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:59:41 -0400

It's been a long time since my days on active duty and Commitment wasn't a Problem in Any of the Units that I was a Part of but I can Understand the Pressures that Our Current Military Faces with So Many Deployments and I Hurt inside Because of It.

Response by PFC Steven Brengard made Jun 25 at 2018 8:50 AM

PFC Steven Brengard — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:50:36 -0400

Welcome to Obama's Army. He had eight years to screw it up ... will take twice as long to fix it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2018 7:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:34:54 -0400

I think the biggest problem I see with my soldiers. No expects anything out of them. They don't feel like, as a unit, we accomplish anything. There's so many things we can't do for "saftey" so most of the ideas soldiers throw out get knocked back. I don't know if it's only my unit but that's what they've been telling me and what I saw when I was in there shoes.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jul 22 at 2018 8:44 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:44:16 -0400

1# If there is going to be mandatory FUN it should be Fun not Forced Misery.
2# Give the Troops real input on the fun.
3# Keep the OFFICER SPOUSE we are better that the enlisted Spouse Shit out of it.
That is the Main problem with F.R.G. in most Commands.
4# Have real things for Faimlys and Single troops to do.
5#The Picnics Are almost allways a Failure.
If ther are any Amusement parks or Water parks There ARE group rates And the Take a Few larg groups at a time so those that have C.Q. and Staff Dutys can go.
Use some unit funds, M.W.R. funds and the troops pay the rest.
Plain a head and check with the hotels near the parks for group rates.

With short Deployement rotations, And long train ups.
So This would be GREAT COMP TIME.
You will make your troops Happy and They will make the command happy.

Response by CPT Edwina McCall made Jul 26 at 2018 3:50 PM

CPT Edwina McCall — Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:50:38 -0400

As an Army nurse we are not only taught the history of Army nursing but the history of our Unit. When we put on the uniform we are then a part of that history. It is our duty to present ourselves in the manner that continues to bring pride to the Nurse Corps.

I was in the Old Army. Joined the Army Reserve in 1988. There was no problem keeping our pride in our Unit or what we were doing. I am at a loss as to the types of people I see responding on websites that say they are military. All I can say, not the Military I was in. My last tour ended in 2004 and I must say, even though my DD214 says I can still be called up, I don't know how I would react to anyone who disrespects our military.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Aug 6 at 2018 4:20 PM

SFC Marcus Belt — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:20:59 -0400

Define "pride" as it pertains to this discussion. Are we talking about an emotional sensation or a simple professionalism that encourages a soldier to do excellent work?

I think the age of "rah-rah" esprit de corps may be dead, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If an adult citizen had fully understand the strengths and weakness, successes and failures of an organization or, for that matter, a nation, and still commit to the unit's success, then that's a useful version of pride.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Aug 7 at 2018 9:11 AM

MSG Loren Tomblin — Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:11:26 -0400

Young folks today try to do as little as possible to get by. However, those that do their best at what they are assigned have a senses of self-purpose. The operative words are tabula rasa trying to get some of them to be better soldiers/citizens. I may sound cynical but it is a fact.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Aug 16 at 2018 11:48 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 23:48:01 -0400

As an enlisted and later an NCO in the Air Force during early 60s, I was always struck by the fact that many Airmen never got close to.......an aircraft. Many were radar specialists, finance, medical, motor pool etc. But they never got to really focus on our mission to fly, fight and win. Thus they were isolated within their specialties. I think a periodic exposure to flightline activities seeing how what they do contributes to the mission might be productive.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 18 at 2018 5:38 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:38:07 -0400

Young soldiers, sailors, airmen or marines are the hardest of the military to get involved into a unit. They have to prove themselves to the old hands, try to make friends and feel accepted in the unit. Young troops seem to get the "shit" details. Some thing the old hands have gone thru, when they were younger. A nesccessary evil, should be abolished. Take younger troops under your arm. Help them and the unit adjust to each other. The young troop will feel more as a part and pride in his unit as long as he feels he is, and as long as he/she is in that unit.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Aug 18 at 2018 8:18 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:18:14 -0400

Everyone is motivated by different things. The trick is to find out what gets your guys' motor running, and offer that as a reward for participation. There is such a thing as "peer" leadership. The navy does this more than the Army ever did, but when i was in the navy we had a "leading airman" he was kind of like a first sergeant, he was the airman with the most seniority, and it was his job to interface complaints from the junior enlisted to the division officer(s). If the leading airman is a shitball, the unit will have no esprit de corps; but if he is motivated and gung ho, his enthusiasm will be infectious.

You probably have a few specialists running around who are smart, and they bitch, and the other LE members, see them, and look to them as examples, and their shit attitude is infectious.

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Aug 22 at 2018 12:21 AM

PFC Tim Arnett — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 00:21:23 -0400

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE NATIONAL GUARD???? I SERVED POST VIETNAM AND I RECALL THE ARMY DRILL SERGEANTS (ALL VIETNAM VETERANS) AND OFFICERS WHO SERVED IN VIETNAM HAD ATTITUDE WITH NG'S AS WELL AS AR'S. I SERVED 3 YEARS AND WITH ONE EXCEPTION DUE TO BLOOD POISONING FROM A KNIFE WAS ALWAYS OUT OF MY RACK AT 6AM WILLING AND ABLE TO DO WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF ME WHILE STATIONED AT PINDER BARRACKS A BTRY 1-22ND FIELD ARTILLERY. WHETHER GOING TO THE MOTOR POOL TO MAKE SURE OUR VEHICLES WERE READY TO ROLL WHEN AND IF SOVIET BLOC COUNTRIES CROSSED INTO NATO TERRITORY OR DOING FIELD EXERCISES OR GOING TO GRAFENWOEHR FOR LIVE FIRE EXERCISES, WE WERE ALWAYS, ALWAYS KEPT TO THE HIGHEST EXPERTISE OF OUR MOS. ALL DUE RESPECT SIR, HAVE YOUR FIRST SERGEANT, PLATOON SERGEANT AND/OR SECTION CHIEFS KICK THEM IN THERE ASS. IF THEY CANNOT GET THE TROOPS TO FALL IN LINE, THEY SHOULD BE DEMOTED AND ANOTHER SPEC 4 OR SERGEANT TRY GETTING THEM MOTIVATED. IF THEY CAN DO IT THEY SHOULD BE PROMOTED AND KEEP THEIR NEW RANK BECAUSE THEY ARE LEADERS, NOT BUDDIES.

Response by SPC Mike Davis made Aug 22 at 2018 8:26 AM

SPC Mike Davis — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:26:52 -0400

What exactly are you having the troops do between 9-5 that would so demoralize them they have no pride in themselves or their unit? The efficiency and morale of employees are the responsibilities of management. If their lack of morale and efficiency are challenging your management skills. Perhapes now would be a good time to update your resume'.

Response by PO1 Joseph Jackson made Sep 12 at 2018 6:06 PM

PO1 Joseph Jackson — Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:06:05 -0400

The first step is to have pride in it yourself and give them a reason to be proud of what they contribute

Response by PO1 Robert Wikert made Jun 21 at 2019 1:32 PM

PO1 Robert Wikert — Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:32:02 -0400

When I was stationed at Oceana Va. in the mid 70's, in the base photo lab, we organized a volleyball game everyday during our lunch break, and got everyone involved from E-8 down to E-1. Served a couple of purposes it got everyone involved and got everyone some much needed exercise. Also promoted some healthy competition.

Response by CPT Carl Moore made Jan 5 at 2020 8:51 PM

CPT Carl Moore — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 20:51:58 -0500

Go back to basics- men first mission always. Leaders instill duty before self by demonstration. Lead the way

Response by SSG John Allison made Jan 5 at 2020 9:36 PM

SSG John Allison — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:36:09 -0500

NEVER had that problem in any of the units I was in during my 18 year's in the Army. But then again, I was in the Infantry. Also I was stationed in West Germany during the Cold War so we all knew just what was really at stake if we failed.

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Jan 7 at 2020 12:27 PM

CPT Robert Holden — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:27:12 -0500

I began my career at 17 and it was never an issue for me

Response by MAJ Tom Harper made Jan 7 at 2020 6:42 PM

MAJ Tom Harper — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 18:42:58 -0500

As the commander of a USAR Engineer Company from 1990-93 I made attendance at the Holiday dinner mandatory. Drill began at noon that day. Annual class A uniform inspection in late afternoon before being released to be back at the American Legion before 1800 for the meal. Free meal for Enlisted. Low cost for any guests and all are free to leave immediately after the meal. Most comments from my soldier's guests were positive. One date a year in nice clothes with their young soldier in uniform. Most stayed a few hours for dancing and socializing. Not too late as formation at 0730 tommorow.

Response by Shane Harnett made Jan 7 at 2020 10:42 PM

Shane Harnett — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 22:42:40 -0500

When I was a CSM I had a very frank discussion with my CO at the time. Friday after pay day was to be a unit bbq. Time of the bbq depended on the troops getting clean up chores done. I personally paid for the first 3 or 4. The earliest it could be held was 1200 hrs. If chores were finished earlier we would sit around and shoot the shit. I let the older guys tell war stories for the younger guys, and the new guys got to ask questions without being put down. Sometimes I would share some of mine so they saw I was human. Between myself and my SNCO’s I rebuilt a unit of individuals into an individual unit of very proud you men. Leadership starts at the bottom. I would fill sandbags and PT with them. If they swept floors I did as well. They got to see I cared and that turned them into leaders in their own right. Today to many in the leadership chain do not spend time with their men/women teaching and sharing lessons.

Response by Cpl Ed Hines made Jan 8 at 2020 9:23 AM

Cpl Ed Hines — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:23:30 -0500

Pride comes from being very good at your job. For example: if you are an admin unit, no one gives a crap about admin until pay is disturbed. In that case then admin is shitty and little more than a glorified bureaucracy. Hardly the kind of stuff that would motivate anyone let alone young soldiers.

Now, take those young soldiers, tell them they are going overseas to support or actively join in operations with Orange Group then you will see some motivation.

No one likes to do work that goes unappreciated or isnt important. To phrase this in the terms of a clinical psychiatrist:
" we have to have some kind of sense that we are not powerless to effect the world or our circumstances within it".

Response by COL Bill Gross made Jan 8 at 2020 11:30 AM

COL Bill Gross — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:30:50 -0500

Spend some informal time telling the the stories of the “Bridge in the sky”, the “Little Sea Horse Division” or the “Damed Engineers”

Stories the Engineer Regiment should propagate at Leonard Wood.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Jan 8 at 2020 9:36 PM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:36:38 -0500

I was 11B we had M113 races there was nobody in the 113. Each team was 3 people and 2 tanker bars. Ready set go. Also got to document other units they had talent shows, family days where single soldiers mingled with the married troops. Got to see a unit have a show and tell, really cool one captain brought his daughter it was very cool. The thing is every one has to get involved from the lowest ranking to the highest ranking. Try an ice cream day or try for a world record making the longest banana split.

Response by 1stSgt Bob Ceely made Jan 9 at 2020 1:50 PM

1stSgt Bob Ceely — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 13:50:53 -0500

Poor “leaders” and even worse MANAGERS! Too many officers plotting and planning their careers and making sure sure they don’t step on a turd and derail it. Get in there, where the backbone is and support it. The career will cone. Screw the evals and decorations!

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Jan 9 at 2020 3:11 PM

CPT Robert Holden — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:11:20 -0500

If you have to install or promote pride they don’t belong in the military

Response by SPC Phyllis Jean made Jan 9 at 2020 5:56 PM

SPC Phyllis Jean — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:56:30 -0500

That’s discouraging to hear, indeed, I wonder what the disconnect is among newer enlistees today and their sense of connection with the unit.

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Jan 9 at 2020 11:34 PM

CPT Robert Holden — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 23:34:11 -0500

Esprit decor isn’t something you can teach in a class. You either have it or you don’t

Response by 1SG David Walsh made Jan 9 at 2020 11:38 PM

1SG David Walsh — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 23:38:14 -0500

I hit my point when rules started to change with respect to fresh meat just starting out I seen where it was headed way back then and it has gone way too GD FAR! I say bring back the old days!!

Response by A1C Hank Devigne made Jan 10 at 2020 9:40 AM

A1C Hank Devigne — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:40:08 -0500

Technically on call 24/7. Small group activities. ‘Nothing to it, but to do it.’ Military is not a democracy, but a regiment of forces under a leader/commander. Perhaps open to suggestions, but in the end, all tasks must be performed.