How do you deal with an arrogant Warrant Officer?

2020-10-19T08:37:08-04:00

I am a CPT with 21yrs combined Active Duty and Reserve service. I'm back on Active Duty as an officer and recently had a couple of unpleasant encounters with a CW3 who is new to my section. Due to COVID, formations are not held. This particular Warrant Officer seems to believe that he shouldn't have to report his accountability to the Platoon Sergeant because she is a SSG. After I confronted the Warrant Officer; who by the way thought it was okay to argue with me about it, I gave him the option of being accounted for as FTR or comply and send the SSG his status. The rest of the section sends a "thumps up" or "I'm Alive" text...the Warrant Officer sends a "."

How does one deal with this type of behavior which is quite unbecoming?

Response by CSM Chuck Stafford made Oct 19 at 2020 8:46 AM

2020-10-19T08:46:36-04:00

Pen to paper -- keep it professional. Actions have consequences. Good luck.

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Oct 19 at 2020 9:47 AM

2020-10-19T09:47:11-04:00

Sounds like the CW3 is just being petty. Counsel them, and see if it changes behavior. They are either just an a@@, or they are testing the new CPT. Once they see you won't take their crap (by counseling) then they will either shape up or you can proceed further. But, you have to have it on paper.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Oct 19 at 2020 9:54 AM

2020-10-19T09:54:12-04:00

Nothing that a come to Jesus meeting can't fix!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Oct 19 at 2020 9:55 AM

2020-10-19T09:55:34-04:00

Handle the situation with the same fairness and concern you would show a SP4. Several ideas come to mind assuming the CW works for you.
-remind the CW that the SSG is performing a function for you
-place the CW in charge of performing the accountability function and reporting to you regularly
-written counseling with supporting data. Make it obvious you’re building a case
-make sure the accountability process is in writing along with performance standards and a directive to comply

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Oct 19 at 2020 10:28 AM

2020-10-19T10:28:03-04:00

What you hoping to accomplish? If it is his accountability the "." should suffice, particularly if that is the same response he uses daily. He is alive and well. If you are just trying to show him you are in charge, pick your battles wisely. He is correct, the SSG, regardless of her position, is not in his Chain or Command. You gave him the wrong option when you told him to report to her or be consider FTR, since he would win the UCMJ battle, hands down. The option you should have offered him was report to her as a courtesy or report to you on a daily basis. When you stay within the rules you don't leave him anything to argue about.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Oct 19 at 2020 10:57 AM

2020-10-19T10:57:07-04:00

Sir, deal with it as you would any NCO or subordinate officer. If a discussion does not suffice then a written counseling will. In the end of the day, they all report to you, if you have placed accountability with the SSG and informed the unit, enough said.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Oct 19 at 2020 11:03 AM

2020-10-19T11:03:58-04:00

Delegate to him the task of gathering muster every morning for a month. That should do it.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Oct 19 at 2020 12:19 PM

2020-10-19T12:19:25-04:00

Are you in a command billet?

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 1:02 PM

2020-10-19T13:02:13-04:00

You guys aren’t going to work?!

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Oct 19 at 2020 1:45 PM

2020-10-19T13:45:11-04:00

Ma'am, its no different than any other situation involving command, line or staff authority. He is subordinate to you and accountable to you, right? First time verbal; second time written counseling, referencing the verbal; third time we're going to see the Commander regarding your insubordination. He's old enough to know better.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Oct 19 at 2020 2:42 PM

2020-10-19T14:42:52-04:00

The chain of command is next after a serious conversation with Mr. “I’m here for the money, status and retirement only”; I say this because if he was mission and troop oriented, he would be embarrassed by his juvenile behavior.

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Oct 19 at 2020 5:44 PM

2020-10-19T17:44:58-04:00

Why is an E6 a PSG? Possibly Section Sergeant? What is the line para of the CW3? Are you the company commander? May I ask about your career progression? 21 years and an O3? Did you spend 10 years as enlisted? I really want to understand the dynamics of this situation.

Response by Maj John Bell made Oct 19 at 2020 6:39 PM

2020-10-19T18:39:25-04:00

There is so much wrong with this. Unknowingly leave a man in the field and a unit leader is going to get cashiered and rightfully so. "Present or accounted for" isn't a big deal until it is a BIG DAMN DEAL.

As an example, a Battalion that went through their combined arms exercise left a Marine in the desert in July at 29 Palms. Unit leaders pencil whipped accountability reports and weapons inventories. The unit went on a 96, and no one missed the Marine until five days later when the armorer uncrated rifles and noted a missing rifle that the Marine's absence was discovered.

If the CW3 doesn't understand accountability, I have to question whether or not the CW3 has the basic understanding required of a fireteam leader. Methods of accountability are selected for efficiency and accuracy, not ego. When I had a Company, (back before cell phones) It was incumbent on the platoon leaders to keep their platoon sgts aware of their location if at any time in the duty day they were not with their units. The XO and I made sure the 1stSgt and Co GySgt both knew where we were, and how to get a hold of us.

I would call the CW3 in. Tell him to explain his objection to the method of accountability and let him speak until he is done. Ask him if he is done before your tell him anything and don't provide your input until he affirms that he is done. But as far as I'm concerned "." answers the mail on checking in.

If the objection makes sense, thank him for his input and adjust the method of accountability. If the objection boils down to ego, tell him to comply and drop the attitude. If he argues, call him to the position of attention, tell him he had his opportunity to talk and now he needs to listen. In short succinct manner explain the standard and that further public displays of attitude will result in administrative action, negative remarks on his fitness report, and if necessary punitive action or relief.

If the attitude continues in any manner, make section accountability his, not the SSG's collateral duty.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 8:14 PM

2020-10-19T20:14:36-04:00

Sir it’s basically a check and balance he tested you. Just counsel him and document his actions if not sir he is going to continue to see how far he can go.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 11:50 PM

2020-10-19T23:50:17-04:00

You being a captain, it seems strange to me that you would tell a Cheif Warrant Officer in the United States Army to report his accountability to someone he probably outranked twice. If anything he should be sending you or your xo the I’m alive text. If it goes higher you probably will be laughed at by higher for your actions.

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Oct 20 at 2020 7:24 AM

2020-10-20T07:24:21-04:00

Be tactful and be direct but put in on paper and form a trail . Accountability is a daily function that has to happen . He isn’t above the rules .

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made Oct 20 at 2020 8:06 AM

2020-10-20T08:06:51-04:00

You could counsel him about the behavior and/or give him a direct order. Personnel accountability is the PSG responsibility because that gets reported up the chain of command.

Response by CWO2 B. Sean Fairburn made Oct 20 at 2020 9:10 AM

2020-10-20T09:10:49-04:00

Leadership challenges are a common part of every unit existence. Easy to do 2 things: 1) set the standard and hold to the standard. If texting in exact words are the standard, then expect all personnel to uphold the standard, if not treat them as you would if they were UA or out of uniform. (It cant get any more Lax that texting in you are alive, wow) 2) as a Leader you have a ripe opportunity to apply the "golden rule" ask yourself what could be the reason this person is not motivated to perform simple instructions? what are they going through? at home with work? Kids financially, health? are they depressed, alone. In need of quality Leadership from people that care??? here is where You have an opportunity to solve the issue as you would like the issue solved if it were you who was perceived by Your command as having the Bad Attitude... I know you will do a good job.

Response by Sgt Jordan Foster made Oct 20 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-10-20T11:26:28-04:00

Isn’t a WO3 equivalent to a O-4? Let me rephrase that so it’s not misunderstood. Since there is such a small amount of warrant officers doesn’t a WO-3 exist within a O-4s level I.e. a sgt to a 1lt? I see your frustration but you are explaining your background and not his as to why he’s the rank he is how long he’s been in. You are fairly senior and coming here to figure out what you should do with your background seems to be why your receiving this treatment from this particular warrant officer.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 20 at 2020 12:28 PM

2020-10-20T12:28:10-04:00

From a ground Warrants perspective. While I understand you have to have accountability, no question there, this could be looked at as degrading in some circles as to ask a Senior Warrant to report to a SSG. I can see their point of view...to a point. The bottom line is accountability is crucial, and this should not be overlooked. Does the WO report to you, if so this is a no brainer, if he/she doesn't then a conversation with their rater may change things. Also if they don't want to report in, count them AWOL, one time with that, and that may change their tune. I am guessing this person doesn't oversee anyone. A lot of Ground tech do double duties as Platoon Leaders and in the Guard as Company size unit Commanders. I have never known a ground tech to let the CO know they were there or what was on the plate for the day. The CO has to be accountable for everyone assigned to them, so there is no reason they can't up a simple "I'm here."

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2020 9:27 PM

2020-10-20T21:27:50-04:00

Are there other Warrant Officers in the unit? Mention something to them, and they'll square him away.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Oct 20 at 2020 11:19 PM

2020-10-20T23:19:20-04:00

Reminds me of a situation I had when I was an E-7(P) DS/GS Maintenance Support NCOIC. I was torn to pieces by a CW3 Section oIC) on the maintenance shop floor for telling his Section Sergeant that a piece of equipment (MLRS) needed to be completed by COB because it was putting the owning company in the red. After belittling me in front of just about every mechanic, he asked if I had anything to say. My response to him was, "Don't you ever belittle me in front of any subordinates ever again." One of the soldiers overheard the ripping, went and got their Secition OIC, which was a CW4 by the way. The CW4 approached us and said he would like to speak to us in private behind closed doors. We went to my office, closed the door and the CW4 asked the problem was. I told him what was said at the meeting I had with the Section Sergeants. The CW3 told the CW4 that I had no authority to tell his personnel what to do, when to do it, or how to accomplish it. The CW4 informed the CW3 that by virtue of position that he was wrong, that I had total responsibility of what went on in the maintenance shop, but by virtue of rank he was responsible for what went on within his section. The CW4 asked me if I would step out of my office and close the door. I don't know what went on or what was said after I left, but I never had a problem with that CW3 again and when I was promoted to Master Sergeant, the CW3 was the first to walk up and congratulate me.

The morale of this is, even thou you are the section OIC, let a higher ranking CW0 talk to the CW3 and you will see a drastic outcome.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Oct 26 at 2020 12:12 AM

2020-10-26T00:12:16-04:00

Very carefully....I had the occasion to investigate a lot of logistic warrants as an economic crime investigator involving supply diversions. They are slippery as eels and they were known to keep book on anyone. If there is anything in your background which the warrant can use against you, they will without doubt. In reality, I nor any of the warrants I know (CID, medical, logistics, JAG and club warrants) ever reported to a Staff Sergeant. Just insure this is a cross which you are willing to die upon. In CID, we did PT by team in larger offices or on our own in smaller offices (2-3 man offices). Non-CID warrants did PT and other functions with the battalion level command groups, as most warrants are a battalion asset. You might want to consult with your battalion XO or commander for guidance before you take any action.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2020 1:00 AM

2020-10-27T01:00:21-04:00

Now, I am not in the Army and have not worked with CWOs, but this is an interesting topic I see a lot in terms of “authority” and “position.” Again, I’m not sure what your organizational structure looks like or where a CW3 fits in that particular structure... but I do not see the problem with having them report to a SSG. There is such a thing as positional authority, and I have worked under people that I outrank, and vice versa, I have been in charge of people that outrank me. If this CW3 is part of a platoon where the PSG is a SSG, then delegating accountability to your PSG seems like a normal process, regardless of their rank. With respect to the CW3, I have always felt that the best leaders are those that understand positional authority and respect it. I’ve had Chiefs and Navy Captains (O-6) report to me before, and it is of no detriment to their rank, as I still hold utmost respect for them. This behavior seems unbecoming of an officer, and quite frankly very childish. But, senior ranks require more finesse to deal with, therefore I feel that allowing the CW3 to report to you directly might be a good way to ease his burden of indignity and solve the problem, although I find it preposterous that he shouldn’t have to account with everyone else because of his rank. That said, I do not think that you should delegate accountability to the CW3, because then you would be stripping a PSG of what is normally their duty as well as their positional authority, something they have earned. Again, I’m not sure how the structure and culture of the Army differs from that of the Navy, but accountability usually starts at E-5/E-6 and works it’s way up to our Chiefs and then to our OIC, and all in the unit report to the E-5/E-6, as it is an understood positional authority. Respect goes both ways, and undermining that shows a lack of respect for the enlisted.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Nov 5 at 2020 11:53 AM

2020-11-05T11:53:40-05:00

You are his commanding officer and a unit commanding officer I assumed. If so, tell him to use two-way authentication. I'm sure you still remember the authentication procedures, correct? Have everyone authenticate correctly. If not, it's AWOL, no jail time, just pay cut. Turn a bad situation into a training session. That's what I would do. Don't say that you are pissed. Just saying it's a new procedure for the unit to train and maintain discipline under the new normal. Besides, you can add to measure and policy to your commander's, but you can't subtract.

If you don't like my idea, then just like CSM Stafford said, "Pen-to-paper. Count! Off!"

On a serious note, I would suggest that you trying to figure out what causes this kind of behavior and what would motivate the guy to conform with your policy. A direct question usually works too. You cannot afford to win this battle of call-in and ego. You need to win the war of "discipline and order". So, be wiser and give yourself a lot of 3-Cs Power (cool, calm, and collected) and proceed to solve for a long term solution.

Response by CW5 Jack Gaudet made Nov 6 at 2020 2:51 PM

2020-11-06T14:51:50-05:00

Is there is incomplete guidance on what needs to be sent then the WO has complied to text.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Nov 8 at 2020 10:28 PM

2020-11-08T22:28:38-05:00

A period, sir, is the same as saying aye, here, present etc... because you don't like the way it's being said, doesn't mean they're not doing it.

Simplicity... don't try to make it so hard for yourself.

This is coming from a sham shield though, I'd high five that warrant

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 9 at 2020 1:32 PM

2020-11-09T13:32:32-05:00

Leave him alone.

Response by Capt Bill Straw made Nov 10 at 2020 12:07 PM

2020-11-10T12:07:09-05:00

Take away his crayons

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Dec 3 at 2020 3:22 PM

2020-12-03T15:22:26-05:00

Give the CW3 the Platoon Sgt's job of accounting for everyone. And have him contact you personally every day to report the daily status. It will become much more important to him once it's his responsibility.

Response by CW4 Tim Leival made Dec 20 at 2020 10:11 PM

2020-12-20T22:11:50-05:00

No dog in this fight, ‘cause I’m blissfully retired, but I’m my time I’ve been both a self-righteous O3 and an arrogant CW4. You both need to come off your ego-tripping, tool-measuring games and get back to taking care of troops.

You first, CPT. You have the most to lose because you’re not going to “win” the fight by quoting regulations. Going to war with a WO just makes you look ridiculous.

You both need to learn the difference between power and authority.

Now, CPT. Go shake hands and start fresh. Be the leader and ask and listen. Stop putting that hard-working SSG in an impossible position because your feelings are hurt. If you have to, let the Command Chief know you need to build some bridges, He/She will know exactly the right amount and type of pressure to apply.

God, it’s good to be retired!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2020 11:45 AM

2020-12-25T11:45:50-05:00

Mark him unaccounted for send MP s to check on him at 0130

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Dec 28 at 2020 5:49 PM

2020-12-28T17:49:37-05:00

As you would "deal' with any officer.

Response by PVT Alejandro Rivera made Jan 3 at 2021 8:51 AM

2021-01-03T08:51:27-05:00

Counseling, prepare this person for ucmj action it attitude continues.

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Jan 3 at 2021 10:39 PM

2021-01-03T22:39:39-05:00

I do not know what it takes to be a CW0-3 in the army. In the navy they receive mega respect. In the Navy we have at least 16 years in service., We were required to be of the Rank rank of e-7 I nk to even applied I do not know what is required to reach that rank in the Army, Perhaps you as a JO in the army should understand the value of a Chief warrant officer, and do not cross him or her!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 4:06 AM

2021-01-04T04:06:56-05:00

Have you talked with the SPO OIC? My BDE CDR was all about accountability and the SPO CMD Team and Senior Warrant knew it. As an HHC 1SG, I knew the pain having both a BN and BDE CMD Team in my company along with a SPO CMD Team. The key is having all command teams on board and understand how accountability is reported. The officers and enlisted knew there would be hell to pay if they didn't follow accountability procedures.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 6:44 AM

2021-01-04T06:44:26-05:00

Not the norm, but easily managed. A private talk between you two. First, you outrank him by grade and billet. Second, accountability (or lack of) gets people locked up. Salty is one thing, but customs & courtesies another. We never dealt with this between Officers, it was a given to show up for formation, even if you were not out front. Last rank behind formation covered and aligned by seniority. Officers and SNCOs. There are exceptions such as a HQ Company/BN with senior Officers or even a GO or two. They are handled with tact and don't present an issue. If you've given him an alternate means of reporting, as long as he complies you should be good. Any acts of insolence or silent contempt should be addressed with his Reporting Senior if that is someone other than you. If you are his writer, start counselling and document it. I wonder if there is a personality clash that you two could work out, but CWOs do love to argue sometimes. Just not in front of the troops.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Jan 4 at 2021 10:32 AM

2021-01-04T10:32:25-05:00

Kinda sounds like this Chief is trying to live up the the stereotype of the aloof Warrant Officer.

This post has been hanging out there for a while, so I am curious how this situation was resolved.

Response by PO2 Joseph Chantiny made Jan 4 at 2021 10:39 AM

2021-01-04T10:39:19-05:00

There is a reason for this behavior: Just ask
-Sexism
-Doesn't respect you because you are coming from reserves
-Maybe the WO is close to retirement and would just like to get an early discharge
-Doesn't believe that COVID is real
-Maybe WO feels protected because of unique knowledge or skills
Is there any disciplinary history or bad FITREPS? Is he having trouble at home with a spouse or family member and things are falling apart? Did he lose a family member to illness?

Response by Cpl Jeremy Leon made Jan 4 at 2021 11:05 AM

2021-01-04T11:05:36-05:00

Take him to the CO FOR AN OPEN DISCUSION

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 11:41 AM

2021-01-04T11:41:48-05:00

My experience with warrant officers were failed NCO's becoming Warrant Officers. I never had a decent one around me. I'm sure there are a few somewhere but my experience has shown that they don't know their butt from a hole in the ground.

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Jan 4 at 2021 12:49 PM

2021-01-04T12:49:51-05:00

I know things have changed over the years but when I was stationed in Germany with, at that time, the 32d Sig. Bn. I was a PFC in Bn HHC. There was at least one WO in each section and I have to say, most of them were super nice and helpful. A couple were not but they were not nasty. The others showed me what I had to do to keep out of the field and to work my way up. I was put in a section that set the azimuths for our radio sites. Had no idea what I was to do but WO Mann taught me a lot. I was totally lost until he helped me. He even got me sent to Bad Toltz to radio school so I would be better equipped to do my job and earn promotions. Being a small world, when I later arrived at Can To, Vietnam he was the WO3 in personnel. Sent me down to SocTrang and said I would be surprised when I got there. The 1st Sgt. had been my !st in Germany.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 12:55 PM

2021-01-04T12:55:59-05:00

yeah good luck with that. CWO's are a special breed and I doubt the CO would let you get into his wheeties

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jan 4 at 2021 6:52 PM

2021-01-04T18:52:44-05:00

Although I have a great deal of respect for Warrant Officers, most that I encountered were down to Earth and remember where they came from however, there will always be a couple that the bars go to their head. I would start with a counseling session to see what his problem is. If that doesn't work it may be time to escalate the situation to a higher level. I may be wrong on this but I always thought a commissioned officer was a higher rank than a warrant officer (Maybe someone can tell me if I am wrong on that) If so, a direct order to report in may be the next step. I never seen it happen but I don't think a warrant officer is above Article 15 if all else fails.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 9:47 PM

2021-01-04T21:47:01-05:00

Easiest way would be to join the Air Force, we solved our Warrant Officer problem a long time ago.

Response by CW4 Dwayne Guidry made Jan 5 at 2021 11:25 AM

2021-01-05T11:25:53-05:00

For one why would you have a CW3 report to a SSG? The SSG is not and never will be in the CW3's rating scheme. Think about it for a second. If you can't trust your Officer's and you must have their accountability, I suggest you have all Officers report their accountability to the XO.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jan 5 at 2021 4:17 PM

2021-01-05T16:17:16-05:00

Am I missing something here? There is a lot of discussion about "report to"....is that "report to" as in, take orders from? Or "so and so reporting for duty sir" kinda thing?

Or report to as in literally "i'm alive, at work or accounted for"?

It sounds like the original poster means the latter--"I'm alive". But many of the comments on here sound like the poster's think its the former, "take orders from".

I don't understand why anyone would object to checking in with, in effect, the boss's secretary instead of the boss personally. I know the SSg isn't a secretary, but whatever, what I mean is not the boss personally.

I can very well understand the objection if it's to in any way take orders from, but it doesn't sound like that at all, so some of the comments confuse me.

Butttt the USAF only had a few Warrants during my time in service, I only ever met one and I think he served in WWII, so I know jack about them. I thought rank was linear and vertical, it sounds like maybe not now.

Did anyone tell him what to send? Or, is "." somehow derogatory in some modern fashion I have failed to hear about?

Response by CW4 Dwayne Guidry made Jan 5 at 2021 8:00 PM

2021-01-05T20:00:58-05:00

Ma’am, might I suggest you have a face to face meeting with this fellow officer and see if the two of you can come to a working relationship. If not then get the rating chain of both of you involved. Talking this issue to the “world” instead of trusting your leaders to help, I my humble opinion is not the way. By calling a fellow officer arrogant in this forum isn’t good for either of you. If I can be of assistance in anyway to either of you please let me know.

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 6 at 2021 7:41 PM

2021-01-06T19:41:04-05:00

CPT, I am going to venture and guess that this is plain disrespect for authority and because you are female. If he’s your direct report, a counseling with another sr officer present is in order.

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2021-01-14T00:41:44-05:00

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Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2021 1:29 AM

2021-01-14T01:29:31-05:00

You have to be candid with someone in a leadership role not behaving like a leader. Tell him you understand he outranks the SSG but someone is tasked with doing a virtual role call. Perhaps he would like to take over doing the role call?

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jan 14 at 2021 9:41 AM

2021-01-14T09:41:43-05:00

BE PATIENT (sometimes things take time to play themselves out), KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL on your end, and DOCUMENT his responses. Do not waver or falter. The warrant officer will find out just how important he is when his actions catch up with him. Given enough rope, some people will hang themselves. As CSM Chuck Stafford aptly stated, "Actions have consequences."

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2021 11:42 AM

2021-01-14T11:42:06-05:00

Tell the CW3 that his failure to report to his PLT. SGT.will lead to him being considered AWOL.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2021 1:50 PM

2021-01-14T13:50:22-05:00

They are all arrogant. Deal with it

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2021 3:59 PM

2021-01-14T15:59:44-05:00

Live with it. They do what they want and this is the new army

Response by PFC Donnie Harold Harris made Jan 14 at 2021 7:32 PM

2021-01-14T19:32:57-05:00

Under no circumstance should you have to put up with his insubordination? If you complain up line it will make you look weak. I say you set him straight with a clear and clean intention on how the chain of command works. If possible record your encounter.

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Jan 21 at 2021 7:42 PM

2021-01-21T19:42:49-05:00

Document document document. Formal counseling. Reprimand in that order. If that doesn’t result in behavior modification then take it up the chain. Continue documenting personal failures in every instance. Show a pattern of failure.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Feb 9 at 2021 7:00 AM

2021-02-09T07:00:54-05:00

Y'all are a humorless bunch.
I'd just report his status as an additional line: "Accounted For, On PMS"
If questions arose, I would explain, with a very straight face, that said warrant officer was clearly reporting in as being on his period.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2021 10:43 AM

2021-03-07T10:43:39-05:00

Have an informal chat with him first. Ask him to help you understand the nature of the response and let him know your perspective, and how disrespectful his replies appears to be, not only to the PLT SGT, but also to you. If the behavior doesnt change, Counsel, document, and address the competencies of "respect", "accountability" and "professionalism" in his evaluation.

Even in my current rank, I respected the Company Commander and his staff for keeping accountability for everyone in the HQs. I always let it known to my "administrative" chain and my bosses of my whereabouts.

Response by SFC Jeff Reed made Mar 7 at 2021 1:08 PM

2021-03-07T13:08:16-05:00

We always duct taped ours to the wall.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Mar 11 at 2021 8:46 PM

2021-03-11T20:46:53-05:00

His attitude shows that he was not good enough to be promoted to Warrant Officer. Regulations are Regulations for a reason. Apparently he feels that he is above that. Worse yet, if he does not recognize the authority of a Superior Officer, he deserves to be Court Marshaled and thrown out of the service after being reduced in rank.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2021 11:58 AM

2021-03-20T11:58:39-04:00

Document, document, document! as others have said, counseling and other formal actions. You have a number of options from "the max" to minor. I encourage you to go heavier handed. This type of disrespect is a cancer on our military. I have 20 years in across Active, Guard and Reserve, there is little if anything the Army can threaten me with as far as discipline, yet still I keep my military bearing. Why? Because that is what Soldiers do! Plus, if he is like that with an Officer, how is he treating lower Enlisted?

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2021 9:21 PM

2021-03-24T21:21:56-04:00

First and foremost, thank you for your service. 21 year Captain says immediately that you were prior enlisted and took the road less travelled. An experienced Captain with a body of work and experience to back up your leadership. To this point, I think there are probably two sides to this story. It is unfortunate that this Warrant Officer is choosing to respond in this way after being given a directive. Warrant Officers are highly specialized Officers with much experience to offer their Commanders. We are advisors, not deciders. Commanders choose to follow or ignore the advice of their most experienced technical and tactical experts. However, it is common for Commanders to lump Warrant Officers in with the Enlisted when it comes to reporting and various other tasks. They are Officers and as such probably should not be reporting to Enlisted, much in the same way one of your Platoon Leaders wouldn’t be reporting to the Platoon Sergeant. The Warrant Officer is probably in a Platoon and should report to the Platoon Leader (Lieutenant) who then reports to you. There are ways this Warrant Officer could have informed and advised and in the end achieved the same result for you, which was accountability.

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CW5 Greggory Ellis

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Mar 25 at 2021 8:19 PM

2021-03-25T20:19:24-04:00

Ma'm, you have the rank and you should use it to counsel him (perhaps informally), and give him a direct order to report IAW your directive. If he continues to argue, make the counselling formal (written) and have a witness ready to be summoned for that.
I have the utmost respect for Warrant Officers and officers alike but that respect is lessened when they think they're above SOP's or simple administrative requirements.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 26 at 2021 2:03 AM

2021-03-26T02:03:16-04:00

RHIP. the WO SHOULD NOT have to report to a SSgt; however, you are a different story. If you want to know what he/she is doing, have the WO send you their schedule. Though there is not enough detail, it sounds to me we have two issues: [1] the "Mother Hen" approach to management [2] A WO who you have to "Baby Sit". Neither is good policy. Let the WO "sink or swim".

Response by LTC Tom Jones made Mar 26 at 2021 6:07 PM

2021-03-26T18:07:50-04:00

Sounds like you've already been more than patient with this "soldier under your command." Time for a "come to Jesus meeting;" documented and witnessed. Letting this kind of insubordination ride would be a disservice to your organization and to the soldier himself.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2021 1:14 AM

2021-03-29T01:14:33-04:00

Tape, record and video everything. CYOA. And write him up and when those above u ask why show them everything u have on him. And I mean record every action and his reaction. And u cannot threaten someone like him and not back up what u have said. He is acting like a little kid. So ur in the same situation as the kid just with someone that is supposed to be an adult And I would Bet he had gotten away with this with everyone else that was put over him b4.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Apr 6 at 2021 6:07 PM

2021-04-06T18:07:45-04:00

Back in my day this CW3 would have been read the riot act and been torn a new one by the CPTs I served under. He/she definitely needs to be shown who is in charge. Last time I checked a Cpt definitely outranked a CW3.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Apr 7 at 2021 6:46 PM

2021-04-07T18:46:59-04:00

In my experience, I've simply let those Warrant Officers (there were more than 12 during my career) step on their laces and fall on their faces (didn't mean to rhyme, ma'am...it just came out that way).

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Apr 21 at 2021 1:43 PM

2021-04-21T13:43:08-04:00

As a Loggie you are going to deal with a few warrant officers that like to play reindeer games. I would suggest you discuss the matter with the senior LOG warrant in the unit. If he/she is squared away then I'd bet money that nonsense will end quick fast and in a hurry. If you don't see a change in his behavior then talk with your SPO or XO. At the end of the day, the accountability of your section falls under those two.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Apr 30 at 2021 5:00 PM

2021-04-30T17:00:40-04:00

It's time to remind him of how the chain of command works.

Response by CWO4 John Powe made Jun 12 at 2021 7:48 PM

2021-06-12T19:48:00-04:00

Who writes his "FitRep" (Navy Term)? If you aren't in his direct chain of command, have a conversation with the person to who he reports. If you are in his "chain" then since you've already "discussed" the situation once, another more direct action is warranted. He needs a knot jerked in his behind. However it is done he needs to "get" a message.