How do you deal with ineffective leadership?

James Adair — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:08:30 -0500

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Mar 9 at 2017 2:16 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:16:57 -0500

re-training, coach, teach, mentor and craw, walk run process its easy

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Mar 9 at 2017 2:35 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:35:56 -0500

Well....there is ineffective leadership and there is ineffective followship. Everything is about perspective. I have seen bad leaders that me as a follower made look good...and there are times I have been a bad leader or an ineffective leader. Everything is about learning. Even the best leaders have a bad day. And that is without the "fog of war" going on. I guess you deal with it as professionally as possible...it depends on the situation though. I am not one to fire someone who made a mistake (again...depends on the situation). I rather work with the person and point out (AAR) what went wrong. To me everything is about learning...but that someone has to want to learn. The "wanting" to learn is a great sign of good leadership. Experience is a huge part of it also. Sometimes a leader will need to just be there til he or she gets it right...whatever "right" is. There are always multiple ways to get a job done as well as multiple ways to lead.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2017 3:22 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:22:36 -0500

Hmmm, Who is determining what is ineffective? Those he/she leads or those who lead him/her? As a young NCO I can remember my soldiers thinking I was kool ....... But my Chief saying and counseling the opposite. Who was right? My Chief of course and he mentored me, years later as a Section Chief I know some my soldiers thought I was ineffective, bottom line I wasn't there to appease them, I had a job to do and damm well did it, if I didn't i'm sure my 1SGT or OP SGT would have mentored me then also. So to answer the question, Mentorship, Leadership, setting the example to follow.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Mar 9 at 2017 4:32 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:32:02 -0500

Ineffective Leadership is when there is a total breakdown in Morale, Teamwork and Trust. When you see all of those in operation, chaos is soon to follow. By then either give that leader a 30, 60, 90 day notice to turn things around or ship him or her out a.s.a.p. because if you don't, you will lose some promising talent among the lower ranks and be stuck with those that could careless.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2017 4:32 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:32:52 -0500

James Adair Leaders come and go. Some good, some bad. Do the best job that you can with what you control. Lead, mentor, excel.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 9 at 2017 7:58 PM

COL Charles Williams — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:58:27 -0500

James Adair I just focus on my mission, and what I have control over. I do not worry about what I can't control. Who I work for, is in the category of things I can't control. We don't get to pick our boss in most cases, and most often don't get to pick our teams. But, we do control what we do in every situation, and how we deal every situation.

I have worked for my many great leaders, some not so great, and a handful of toxic ones. Their effectiveness had nothing to do with my opinion or their style. In the end, leaders are judged by their results more so than what people think of them.

I also learned something from everyone I worked for, with and around; both what to do, and what not to do.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2017 8:10 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:10:09 -0500

Be effective at leadership.
Ineffective leaders leave a vacuum... I will fill that vacuum.
There will never be a shortage of leadership so long as any NCO I ever trained is around.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Mar 10 at 2017 8:41 AM

CPO Bill Penrod — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:41:53 -0500

In the Navy for officers and CMCs it's called "loss of confidence" if that day comes have your sea bag packed..........

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2017 11:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:31:50 -0500

I try to skip them when i need something done.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2017 1:29 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:29:27 -0500

I seek out and lean more heavily toward effective and productive leaders.

Remember, good or bad, you learn from all leadership. Be it what TO do, or what NOT to do. Just find the leader that is a positive influence on you, and lean more toward them.

Response by PO3 Michael James made Mar 10 at 2017 6:02 PM

PO3 Michael James — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 18:02:55 -0500

Sir; Unfortunately its not like changing a "flat tire", therefore, if You can find a proven, way to teach our politicians to be effective at the way they lead our nation than more power to you.. Should they continue to lead by the examples they set ... BOY are we in @##%$^^&*** Trouble...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2017 10:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:32:07 -0500

I've become extremely adept at doing everything within my power to have them removed. It's worked on several occasions. While I do that I take every opportunity to teach the soldiers what right is. I try to counteract the negativity the inept leadership has instilled.

Response by PO2 Ric Beard made Mar 16 at 2017 1:47 PM

PO2 Ric Beard — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:47:05 -0400

I make them think it is their idea. This typically works if the idea is correct. Otherwise, you can't change arrogance, egotism, or ignorance in people.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2017 4:40 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:40:21 -0400

Go up the chain of command! If they can't fix the issue, keep going!

Response by SSG E Williams made Mar 22 at 2017 11:02 PM

SSG E Williams — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:02:16 -0400

Who is asking the question, you the leader or you the troop? If you be the leader, you first have to have confidence in yourself, if you don't , the first to see that you have no confidence are those you are to lead. If you are the troop questioning the ineffective leadership of a leader, how then are you determining that opinion....on previous leaders or just on your own inexperienced self with x amount of service days/months?