How do you feel about veterans or Soldiers criticizing our President?

2014-01-02T07:27:05-05:00

Recently I've been hearing countless remarks, and seeing posts from soldiers and veterans alike. Down talking our commander in chief. How do you feel about this? Should this be allowed within our ranks? Does freedom of speech really play a part?<br><br>

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Jan 2 at 2014 7:54 AM

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The checks and balances are in place. Unless impeached, he is the Commander In Chief. Promoting propaganda that is contrary to good order and discipline can lead to a Court Martial. <br>Don't do it, don't tolerate those who do. Especially from a superior that refuses to have his authority questioned... Because that is just being a hypocrite.<br>In the meantime, exercise your right to vote, refuse to follow illegal orders and defend the Constitution.<br>

Response by CPT Daniel Walk, M.B.A. made Jan 2 at 2014 10:44 AM

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SPC,<br><br>Is this a post about speech or an advertisement for your political opinion? The fundamental problem with your statement is the inability to objectively define "what's right". Unless that can be done, the sitting president will always be criticized. Until recent years, government assistance programs have always been expected to serve as the last resort for support of indigent people. In the past, our elected leaders recognized redistribution is unsustainable over the long-term. Since the adoption of and loss of control over the Keynesian economic theory, progressives attitudes in our government have continually increased the role of government assistance to the current point where is has become a primary source of support (the ACA). <br><br>Soldiers having a conversation regarding public and elected officials is free speech, and protected. As long as the individual is not participating in a political event, wearing the uniform, there is no issue. <br><br>The best thing that can be done for individuals critical of elected leaders is to ask questions that make them see the validity of their opinion. That only works, though, if you know what you are talking about. <br>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 12:06 PM

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<p>SPC Buck</p><p> </p><p>Here is the direct pull from article 88 of the UCMJ</p><p> </p><p>“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the
Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of
any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or
present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.” </p><p> </p><p>And article 91</p><p> </p><p>“Any warrant officer or enlisted member who—
</p><p>(1) strikes or assaults a warrant officer, non-commissioned officer, or petty
officer, while that officer is in the execution of his office;
<p>(2) willfully disobeys the lawful order of a warrant officer, noncommissioned
officer, or petty officer; or
<p>(3) treats with contempt or is disrespectful in language or deportment toward
a warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer while that officer
is in the execution of his office; shall be punished as a court-martial may
direct.” </p><p> </p><p>This should cover what is the standard.  Without standards the military is nothing.  We all took an oath to serve, it does not matter what our personal beliefs are on the matters.  We are here to serve.</p>

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 5:45 PM

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I feel that as commissioned officers are held to not speaking ill of the president under the UCMJ and it is punishable by such, NCOs should also uphold that standard as a professional courtesy.  If we, as leaders, overlook or actually speak against the president it says we, as leaders, condone the undermining of our command structure.  At this time, we have lost the creditibility to say anything to soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines who say things about not only the president but also the lower level commanders and NCOs.  Many forget that he is a member of the chain of command and undermining him is to discredit the command structure at the highest level.  

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 5:51 PM

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Name-calling or bashing anyone on social media is tasteless and unprofessional, whether you are an Officer, a Warrant Officer, an NCO, Junior Enlisted, or Civilian. I supported both of our Presidents in all four of the terms they have
served since I put on this uniform and it chagrins me to see my peers
trash either one of them. HOWEVER, the questioning of judgement or motives of those appointed over Enlisted military members is their prerogative, and if we move to a place where there is no freedom of speech on social media platforms, we will quickly become fascist.<br>

Response by MSgt Kris Braddock made Jan 2 at 2014 6:04 PM

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People will always talk about their leaders throughout the entire chain of command. No one in a leadership position is looked upon by everyone the same. Even great leaders have their detractors. <div><br></div><div>Ask yourself this question. How has Obama tried to connect to the military? In truth most people in DC say Obama hasn't made good relationships with any group except his inner circle. That's just his personality. Bush on the other hand was a people person who cultivated a close relationship with the military (and he continues to this day). </div><div><br></div><div>Since Obama hasn't connected to the military he is looked upon as a weak leader. How would you feel if your unit commander was disconnected from the people he/she was supposed to lead? You'd be right to wish for new leadership. </div><div><br></div><div>People are going to say bad things about the politicians you hold in high regard. Unless they're making threats take it for what it is......an opinion. </div><div><br></div>

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 6:06 PM

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I heard this line one time:  "You salute the rank, and not the man".  I think it applies perfectly to the POTUS, regardless of conservative/liberal stance.  I wasn't a fan at all of GWB but I did keep my mouth shut.  Beyond the law of not denigrating the POTUS, the man is our boss.  Last time I checked, even in the civilian world, bad mouthing your boss could lead to your termination.  Same thing applies here.<br><br>In other words:  Like him/her or not, keep your mouth shut.  

Response by SFC Robert Allen made Jan 2 at 2014 6:14 PM

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As for him "trying to do what's right" when has he ever? He wants to raise the cost of tricare to force the military onto the exchange. He wants to cut military benefits. He has lied to the Aemrican people so often, the only way you can tell he's lying now is if his lips are moving. He is replacing good, honest soldiers (senior commanders) with those who will do his bidding regardless of how much he violates the Constitution. He violates the Constitution whenever he feels like it, despite his oath to uphold and defend it. I could go on, but why bother.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 6:20 PM

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<p>Here's my opinion of things, I think people often express certain feelings towards him merely out of hearsay.  Many people honestly don't understand how a government is ran so if something happens that they absolutely disagree with, they immediately blame the President.  Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that the incumbent POTUS is God gift to the U.S.  However, not EVERYTHING happening in D.C. is directly because of his leadership.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I recently got into a political debate with a friend on Facebook a few days ago regarding the Veteran's Benefits reduction bill (which I am extremely against) and he, along with his extremely conservative friends, blamed "Obama and the Liberal Democrats."  Since when is a President, the head of the Executive Branch, responsible for passing bills in Congress?  I know it's been over ten years but from my recollection of my high school government class, the Legislative Branch (Congress) is responsible for bills.  Even if the President vetoes a bill, it only takes 2/3 of Congressional votes to overturn a Presidential veto and becomes law anyway.  So yes, the POTUS does sign the bill but bills can become laws with or without a Presidential signature.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Regardless of what goes on, no one will ever be happen with their government but as uniformed service members, we as a whole, need to uphold the creeds in place and respect our superior officers up to the governing body.  We may not like what is going on but we all took a solemn oath to follow the orders of our elected official(s) and respect for those positions must come with it.  It is unprofessional to speak ill of those who command us although many of us do it.  Still does not make it right.</p>

Response by SPC Gary Basom made Jan 2 at 2014 6:52 PM

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<p>SPC Buck,</p><p>I am not too fond of the man,I do not hate him, but I am against his politics,he has done a lot to hurt the country. I have a little picture I put up, it says "I am a veteran, my oath of enlistment never expired." I promised to uphold,protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Now I was in the military in 1980, things were a lot different back then, more freedom and love for life. After that all things seemed to go downhill. There seemed to be a lot of controls and regulations being placed on our rights and such.The current president has not proved he is a US citizen, he has caused major financial debt on this country, he is attacking the Constitution, the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments and has given aid to our enemies in both money and weapons, let 4 people die in Benghazi Libya. now for your question Paul, by virtue of a veteran not being in the military, he/she is not bound by the UCMJ and thus has the right of speech, Active Duty doesn't have full right of speech and cannot express a derogatory complaint, but has right to express a complaint tactfully and in a controlled manner.But you never fully attack the president verbally (derogatory). If anyone else has a thought,I believe I explained it the best I could. Thank you Paul.   </p>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 7:24 PM

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You swore an oath and there are regulations regarding this so why not just deal with it and keep your opinions to yourself while you wear the uniform of your respective branch. When you swore that oath you, in essence, gave away your right to express yourself and your beliefs on a lot of different topics

Response by SFC Thomas Chappell made Jan 2 at 2014 7:35 PM

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As a retired SFC and a current VA employee I support and respect the office of the Persident regardless of how I feel about the man, but I can't ignore the way I feel when a Veteran calls me and tells me how he/she was told that they had to disenroll from the VA in order to use a healthcare system that in most cases will cost so much more than their VA healthcare. The cuts to Veteran's benefits needs to stop. When it comes to cuts being made , tell me who really earned their pensions and benefits. Was it the elected officials that get get paid millions of dollars over a life time and vote for their own pay raise, or was it the Veteran's or the families of Veterans that fought and in some cases died for their country? Or how about they consider reducing/stopping aid to countries all around the world when we have homeless people and people that need aid right here at home. How is it that they can justify that when they don't care enough for our own country, not to mention the multi-trillion dollar deficit we have now? It's easy to see why. It's because most politicians only care about their own pockets and how things affect them. They say whatever they think well get them elected and afterwards they do what they want. Does a couple years in a nice comfy office really deserve more than 5,10,15, 20 or more years of actual SERVICE to our country?

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 7:37 PM

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Is it the Soldier or the Citizen that is making the comment? Are they using their position as a member of the armed forces advocate for or against a candidate or political party? For example is it, SSG Haddox US Army saying X or is Paul saying it. One is OK the other is not OK. Where is the line? Where indeed? I feel if you make a political speech or appear in a political add on TV in uniform, or in my official duties I am quoted by the media as saying X, that is a no go. If my buddies and I are having a discussion in the platoon office about current events and we disagree with the current policies that's fine. 

Response by CW3 Clayton C. made Jan 2 at 2014 7:54 PM

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Stopping soldiers and veterans from expressing their views is inconsistent with the first amendment. As long as remarks aren't inflammatory or threatening (directly or indirectly) it should be looked at as freedom of speech. In my personal opinion it is unprofessional to speak disrespectfully about your leadership in an open forum.

Response by SFC Jim Crandell made Jan 2 at 2014 8:24 PM

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Contrary to popular belief and to what democrats would have you believe Soldiers and especially Veterans have earned their right to Freedom of Speech and they (we) protect that right for other Americans with their (our) lives. If we are burdened with an inept, incompetent, and unpopular leader do to his distain and professed hatred of the military then we as Soldiers and Veterans not only have a right but a duty to speak out against such leaders. Especially since this particular commander-in-chief is actively relieving any general officer that does not agree with him then someone should have the balls to speak out against him!

Response by PO1 Ray Chatterton made Jan 2 at 2014 8:50 PM

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F^CKED!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 9:00 PM

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I've always been taught and strongly believe that when it comes to things such as religion and politics,  you keep your views and opinions to yourself when around your subordinates, or others that may find you influential, so not to influence them one way or another. <div><br></div><div>Expressing your negative views and opinions in front of your subordinates is always unprofessional; especially about someone within their... YOUR chain of command. </div><div><br></div><div>People look up to us when we wear this uniform. As leaders and military personnel, it reflects poorly on us and our service when we lose our military bearing and professional customs and courtesies. Whether it be a comment about the president or how we present ourselves in public, we should always be professional so to bring credit upon ourselves our service and our country. </div>

Response by CSM Stuart C. O'Black made Jan 2 at 2014 9:16 PM

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<p><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Should never be tolerated regardless of the regulation - he is the Commander and Chief. </font></p><p><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3"><br></font></p><p><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Article 88 of the UCMJ is rooted in the British Articles of War
of 1765</font></p><p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">

</font><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">In June 1775, the Continental Congress adopted this
provision and slightly modified the language to make it applicable to the
Continental Army during the RevolutionaryWar. In 1776, Congress amended the
provision to prohibit the use of traitorous or disrespectful words against the
United States Congress or any state legislature in which a soldier or officer
may be quartered. The provision was modified again in 1806 to preclude the
President and Vice President from being treated as objects of disrespect. The
provision remained unchanged until Congress incorporated it into Article 88 of
the UCMJ in 1950.</font></p><p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">

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Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jan 2 at 2014 9:28 PM

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I think it's simple.  Take out the President's name and replace it with yours.  Would you find it acceptable, disrespectful?  If so then handle it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 9:38 PM

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Regardless of what is thought about the President, They are still your current commander.  It's no different that talking bad about your Company or Brigade Commander in from of your soldiers.  It should never be done and should be addressed when it is done.  We all do not have to like our leadership, but we have to respect the position.  We all chose to serve under whomever took office, If you do not like the command then you should happily hold your thoughts until you ETS.  

Response by SPC Billy Mansfield made Jan 2 at 2014 9:40 PM

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"<font color="#4d4d4d"><span style="font-size: 1 [login to see] 77148px;">he's trying to do what's right" <=== Are you out of your damn mind! Chairman O has done nothing but try to destroy the U.S. Constitution and America alike!</span></font>

Response by Cpl Ray Fernandez made Jan 2 at 2014 9:51 PM

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As long as nobody advocates for violence or harm to him or his family I have no problem with it. My sister worked on his campaign and has been to a few events at the White House. We have the right to question our leaders now how we go about it should be respectful and tactful, and if you want to convince others of your point don't just write out whatever unfounded rumors and claims made about the person otherwise you weaken your point by using the outrageous claims like the birth certificate claims. I personally think he's not very skilled and at times he takes things too personally out of what appears to me to be arrogance so he rather stick to what he's doing than finding the best solution. I'm a veteran so I could at this point say what I like, but I choose to try to make my points with out any attempt at malice since it wouldn't help me attempt to get my points across.  <br><br>According to the UCMJ it is limited Article 88 “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the
President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the
Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or
the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or
possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a
court-martial may direct.”

<br><br>Now on the civilian side we have free speech and are protect from reprisals from the government, however it does not mean that if I posted a vile and disgusting commentary that attacked a politician, I would not be free from repercussions from others including say an employer ending my employment because of the negative attention it could generate, or it other people responding. Also if I made up the material in an attempt to bring discredit to the person I could be sued in a civil case for slander if I spoke it, or libel if it was published in print or on the internet.<br>

Response by 1SG Michael Minton made Jan 2 at 2014 9:58 PM

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let me make a couple points. Im no longer subject to the UCMJ! so i can pretty much say anything i want (freedom of speech)! not saying the IRS wont come after me! But as long as your ACTIVE Duty, it is your job to respect the position of POTUS and your Commander in Chief, even if you dont like him or his policies.  When i was in Alaska and they forced the military to go to the AFB Hanger to see Clinton, there was a E-7 AF NCO that was saying something derogitory about Clinton (which hated the military). Secret Service over heard him and he got booted out of the military. Ive seen a post before that the same situation has happened with Obama also. If your Active Duty, you just cant do it without a "chance" of you being charged under UCMJ. Thats why I was suprised that some of you active duty people on here making some of your coments. not saying i disagree with you, but your taking unnecessary chances on your career. and if your a senior NCO or officer, your definately taking a chance. Not to mention we all know now that the NSA monitors FB, along with your phone, computor, internet, etc. I know you want tovoice you opinions, but think first and maybe let veterans speak for you...........Now my second point, If im not active duty, I will call it like i see it, if his policies hurt the military, when he tries to take away our benefits we were promised and sacrificed for, when he is lieing to us or trying to BS military families, im going to make it known best i can. if your active duty, about the only thing you can do is maybe talk within your small circle of buddies and most of all go vote! A lot of military just say oh well when it comes to voting and skip it. if all military and vets vote, that is a pretty large group. and like the POTUS said himself, "Elections have consequences"! i think people are realizing that, but too late. And never believe those STAGED photo ops and SPEECHES with military in the background, they are politically staged. Sorry to say, but it is well known that Democrat politicians do not like the military and will hollow it out and take everything they can from it. they are the first ones to throw the military up for cuts but at the same time want to fund illegals, etc. i cannot remember in my lifetime, one democrat president (maybe Kennedy 50 years ago) that supported the military. they just show up for your vote and then go vote away your pay raise. i could keep going but just beware active duty brothers, they will make a example out of you to try to scare anyone against their agenda!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 10:44 PM

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Response by SFC Matthew Parker made Jan 2 at 2014 10:45 PM

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<p>Regulations are clear, you don't make disparaging comments about our elected officials especially the President of the United States. I know a flag officer that found that out after he shot his mouth off in Rolling Stone.</p><p> I agree with the regulations and strongly disagree with any member of the military who makes any public comment negative about the President. </p><p><br></p><p> You can disagree with policy and write to your congressmen to express your opinions,</p><p><br></p><p> You can disagree with gun control, pay and benefits, or just about anything else if you are respectful about it. You can vote against them in the next election if you wish.</p><p><br></p><p> But remember you are a member of the armed forces and your uniform, rank and status can and will make your comments more than what you meant them to be. Often groups with no affiliation to you will use your comments as proof of dissent and try to represent you or your beliefs as something their not.</p>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2014 11:43 PM

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The OFFICE of the President of the United States is one to be respected.  However, it is the freedom of ALL American citizens to express their opinion freely and openly.  When it comes to Service Members expressing that opinion, so long as they are not presenting themselves as a member of the United States Armed Forces, there is nothing wrong with their expressing that opinion.  <div><br></div><div>Most of the time, people confuse criticizing POLICY with criticizing the individual. (even those who are criticizing the policy)  There are FAR too many people that will say, "I HATE President, Senator, Governor___________", the reality is that they have no foundation to actually "hate" that individual, what they MAY "hate" is the policy.  </div><div><br></div><div>Criticism of policy is not unpatriotic.  If you consider what our nation itself was founded upon, you would see dissent as the most pure form of patriotism.  While you personally may see what our president is doing as good or "right", there are a lot of people, even within his own party, that do not.  </div><div><br></div><div>The larger concern SHOULD be, 1) do these people even know what they are talking about, or are they just "parroting" someone else (typically the case); 2) are these people just complaining and not doing anything to change it (do they vote?  Who did they vote for? Did they make that decision based on research of positions, or on the letter that follows the name (R) or (D)?)</div><div><br></div><div>As a career Soldier myself, during my career I was allowed the opportunity to testify to congressional field committees in ways that may or may not have been seen as "critical" of policy and regulation.  I was also interviewed several times by local and national media (with the authorization of my PAO) and asked for MY view of certain circumstances (one being Soldier Suicide, the other being the end of the Iraq War).  Again, some of the answers may or may not have been seen as "critical", depending on ones particular take on the answers.  It is a VERY fine line, and MOST Service Members should avoid the practice without some serious time with Public Affairs folks.</div><div><br></div><div>IF that Service Member steps out of line, the UCMJ speaks quite well to it, and what actions can be taken.  If a Member is so convinced that he/she is right, and within their rights; they should make sure they know what the limitations of what they say are.  </div><div><br></div><div>As for Veterans...Well....We get to say whatever the hell we want.  We are out, and that stuff doesn't matter any more......And when there is an administration that stops robbing us of our benefits, and a congress that stops paying debts out of our wallets, then maybe we will stop speaking out against them.</div>

Response by SGT Sean Whitenton made Jan 3 at 2014 12:13 AM

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I'd enforce courtesy- he should be referred to by his proper title, name, etc. Frankly, it makes it difficult for me to take criticism of him seriously when posters are coming up with stupid derogatory names.  "Obozo" is not even remotely clever or funny. Freedom of speech...... that's up to the owners of this site. They are quite free to turn it into either an Obama lovefest or an "Obozo" bashing forum. It is their property to do with as they wish. I suspect that going too far in either direction could have an adverse effect on the intended purpose of this site as a networking tool- presumably with the goal of expanding professional opportunities.<br><br><br>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 2:16 AM

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I think it's like any other job and it shouldn't matter what you say about a person as long as you do what they ask you to do as long as it's constitutional and legal then you should do it. But just like a regular job you talk bad about your co-workers, supervisors, manager, and even the owner even if you never meet the guy you talk bad about him because of how he set the rules and what you have to do and so on.

Response by CWO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 2:32 AM

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I have noticed most of the participants of this forum are currently in the Untied States. Maybe you have seen more than I since I have lived abroad for the past 6.5 years. Just like everyone here I swore to defend the Constitution of the United States.<br><br>Art 88 is black and white. This article effects all of us in uniform. As an Officer/NCO/CPO/Leader it is our responsibility to uphold our oath and set the example. We set the tempo and take the lead. How will generations look at us if we trash our CiC? Will they follow and do the same to the CO of the ship or Division Officer or NCO? Where will it stop? Unit cohesion is the most important thing we can teach our junior members. We all have opinions, but personal agenda's can have a negative effect on the moral of the unit. Our job is to protect the nation, our citizens, and to get the job done.<br><br>Now going back to the questions asked by SPC Buck, "should this be allowed within our ranks?" My answer is no. If you are a leader and have a spine you would squash this mutiny. While in uniform (and when out on liberty) you represent the United States of America. <br><br>Opinions are best expressed out of uniform, away from junior members, and over a liquid refreshment in my opinion.<br><br>The best way to approach this is to be professional while in uniform. If there is an issue that you feel strongly about, than write your Senator/Rep. I have written them on several occasions because of issues that I felt strongly about. Most people don't take the time to research the topics or bills that are being passed through. Others have never visited the site that monitors the Presidents Executive Orders. <br><br>"Does freedom of speech really have a part?" We all the the right to speak our mind. But, be knowledgeable of the subject prior to spouting out other peoples opinion. I have been under the impression for several years that the media plays a major influence in the agenda of many politicians. In the 80's, there were more than 36 major independent news sources. Now, 6 major sources control the content of the what you see and hear on the tv and radio. This is why research is important.<br><br>If you have an issue with policy; than write your congressman.<br>If you don't like someone; than that is your opinion. Just be prepared to take responsibility for what you say and stand for.<br>If you violate your oath and commit something against the UCMJ; shine your shoes and get your uniform ready because you will be standing in front of that green table cloth.<br>If you don't want to be a solder/sailor/marine anymore; leave your ID card on your rack and I will be there to collect it at the end of the day.<br><br>Cheers!<br><br>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 3:11 AM

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Down talking the President as a service member is messy and unprofessional. It not only makes the individual look bad but all of us as service members. Not only that family businesss should stay in the family. With that being said, given that we are a military family, we should not dirty out our laundry. That applies to our units business as well.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 3:57 AM

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Personally I find that people often confuse opinion with intention. The former is perfectly okay, while the latter can be grounds for punitive action. As my command's social media content manager, I often train Sailors to tread carefully when expressing their opinion in an open forum. <div><br></div><div>Food for thought when expressing your opinion:</div><div><br></div><div>Using the 2012 social media scandal surrounding Sgt. Gary Stein as a case study, we can break down what led to his dismissal from the service as follows...</div><div><br></div><div>Opinion + Intent = Discharge</div><div><br></div><div>"I highly dislike (President) Obama and I refuse to obey his unlawful orders."</div><div><br></div><div>I highly dislike (President) Obama [OPINION -- one that is shared by many, it seems] and [the line that clearly divides the statement] I refuse to obey his unlawful orders [INTENT -- to purposefully violate a UCMJ article]. </div><div><br></div><div>To put it simply, it's one thing to say you don't like the man, even if you call him names (though that would just be tasteless and tacky in my opinion), but to cross the line where you begin to state intention however oblivious you may be in the act is where people are finding themselves in trouble. </div><div><br></div><div>TL;DR -- be cautious in HOW you communicate your opinion. You're entitled to do so, but be respectful and don't cross the line into what you will or will not do because the action (or lack thereof) can be perceived as intent to violate.</div>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 12:01 PM

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I for one believe (and Im sure Im being redundant) that as a service member you WILL respect the RANK/OFFICE. You can dislike the person all you want but dont cross the line where you disrespect the person and the office. I admire the President in some of the things he's done and there are some things I dont quite agree with such as all the proposed/ensuing cuts to the military but I try my best to keep my comments to myself so as to not cause conflict. My question is this: If we as the military are the very ones defending/protecting certain freedoms/rights such as freedom of speech in this case, why do we get the ugly eye when we try to exercise that right? Yes we are to show respect to the office/rank of those appointed over us as outlined in the regulations and UCMJ but how do you expect the military to be 'cheerful' in the execution of its duties when the very people who are sworn to serve the people and protect our interests castrate us at every turn. We protect the people, who protects us?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 1:54 PM

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<p>I swore an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same." The President of the United States is the Commander in Chief and my boss.</p><p>I am also a citizen of the United States of America and can express my 'opinion' on anything, however I can not divorce my personal life from my responsibilities as a member of our military, and too often if I speak as an individual, those that know my service see it as the Army speaking, not J. Keith Purvis. (This has happened in academic, personal, private discussions, where those I am having discourse with can not accept that I only speak for myself and not the military I serve.)</p><p>Because of that, I say little in public forum about my government and/or chain of command except to support those decisions made. However, I do write letters to individuals that make up our government expressing my personal opinions on their service to the same Consititution I support and defend and especially their choices on our military.</p><p>If my personal conscience ever trumps my responsibility as a member of our military, I must resign (or retire now that I have earned that option) and no longer be a member of the military. Once I am out of the military, I am totally free to express my opnion as any self-aware, intelligent and articulate citizen of these United States.</p><p>I constantly remind myself of my oath and how my conscience fits within that. To not do so is a travesty.</p>

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jan 3 at 2014 3:48 PM

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If I remember back in my service years, I thought it was illegal for an officer to degrade the President & those appointed above him especially in from of the enlisted?  It was a law dating back to the Revolution.  The other issue that does surface about once a decade is the oath we all take.  Recently I think what we only speculated has come true.  Where do service members stand when following the Constitution & following the President come into conflict?  This question comes up time & again & it is never answered.  Again going back to my older knowledge & experience, Obama would not have been tolerated for his behavior years ago.  He would have been deemed communist & removed & possibly imprisoned.  Those years are long gone though.  I don't think there will be a solid answer to this.  If complaining at all is silenced, people will just plot behind closed doors.  That's worse in my book.

Response by CSM Gerald Utterback made Jan 3 at 2014 5:14 PM

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I was always told as a leader you cannot demand respect but must earn it. In my opinion the current president has not earned my respect..... we swear an oath the protect and defend the constitution and not to a setting president who may or may not be upholding it.....and I will leave it at this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 8:31 PM

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<p>1st of all, unless you're here just for the increase of points SPC Buck, realize that everyone wont always agree or like what you say-but ME, I'd say it anyway ESPECIALLY if it matters to you.  </p><p> </p><p>2nd, the Commander in Chief is who he is and I wonder if those same individuals do the same to their current leadership when its back is turned.  With our current POTUS, I've seen and heard some shady mess coming from all sides, civis and Soldiers, and I understand to each his own, but when the moments arise where the Soldiers that do this create a hatred or frenzy, then I have to intervene.   I wont like everything and definitely don't understand everything POTUS saids or does and may voice my tactful opinion on it, but I will not create a division that gets us nowhere.   Plus, I laugh at everyone still giving the current POTUS grief and remind them, Its his 2nd term, get over it already.</p>

Response by SGT Suraj Dave made Jan 3 at 2014 9:27 PM

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Soldiers Complain, just like how bakers bake and butchers cut. Go to your local barracks on a Friday or Saturday night and you will see the soldiers outside under age drinking and complaining about their chain of command (From team leader to president). That is just life. If your a leader, you know there's a soldier out there who talks trash about you. If you are a lower enlisted soldier, I know you have stood in a circle with your fellow PFC's and SPC's trash talking your unit leadership. Its just life. I am sure before he was CSMA Chandler, he was once PFC Chandler and he probably shit talked his squad leader once or twice. As did pretty much ever other soldier in the U.S. Army since the civil war.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 10:53 PM

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<div class="rank_badge"> </div><div class="clear"><font size="1"></font></div><div class="clear"><font size="1"></font></div><div id="response_31283" class="response_body"><div id="collapsed_content_31283"><p>To add to what SFC Corey Matteri, stated before:</p><p> </p><p>Article 88 of the UCMJ states the following:</p><p> </p><p>“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the <br>Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military <br>department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of <br>any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or <br>present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”</p><p> </p><p>In addition, for all the social media politicians.  The army has published a social media handbook for soldiers.  The handbook states "Soldiers using social media must abide by the UCMJ at all times.  Commenting, posting or lnking to material that violates the UCMJ or basic rules of Soldier conduct is prohibited.  Social media provides the opportunity for Soldiers to speak freely about their activities and interests.  However, Soldiers are subject to UCMJ even when off duty, so talking negatively about supervisors or releasing sensitive information is punishable under the UCMJ.  It is important that all Soldiers know hatt once they log on to a social media platform, they still represent the Army".</p><p> </p><p>Leaders please read and share.  Let us adhere to the standard.</p><p> </p><p>http://www.slideshare.net/USArmySocialMedia/social-media-handbook-2013</p></div></div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://public.slidesharecdn.com/images/logo.png"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/USArmySocialMedia/social-media-handbook-2013" target="_blank">Social Media Handbook 2013</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">This document provides extensive social media guidance. It contains information for Army leaders, guidance for Army Families, operations security tips, branding</div></div><div style="clear: both;"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SSG William Patton made Jan 3 at 2014 11:28 PM

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I too agree the office is sacred and key to our stature in the world.  However, when the president demeans that office and brings shame to it by his actions or inactions, then he must be held accountable like everyone else in the chain of command.  Officers NCOs and enlisted alike are held to the standard of their uniform and service.  If they do anything to shame or soil the uniform or their service, they are held accountable all the way from non-judicial punishment to court martial.  When this president took his world tour and apologized for the wrongs done by America, it made me sick.  All I can see is the number of crosses and Stars of David and other religious symbols denoting a dead soldier, sailor, airman, or marine buried there and did so to ensure the world was free of despots and monsters.  Now he is stripping down the military, which to me only weakens us as a nation, while future enemies like China and Russia continue to build up their armies and navies.  I was chastised on this forum for asking a question about sinister motives this president might have because of cuts to flag officers.  Since then, a flag officer, Gen. Paul Vallely, has come forward and stated publicly that  Barry has weakened the military with the idea of instilling martial law and confiscating fire arms from citizens before he leaves office.  Also, the National Guards are being placed under the Dept. of Homeland Security instead of DoD and state governors.  I do not know if that has been completed, but if not, it is in the works.  My point is this commander in chief is the worst leader we have ever had in that office.  He make Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon look effective and honest.  If he is not stopped, he will destroy our nation and may have already but us past the point of no return.

Response by SPC William Wambolt made Jan 3 at 2014 11:44 PM

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When you enlist into any branch of the armed forces of the U.S. You give up your right to free speech. As a member or the military it is your job to follow legal orders without question.

Response by TSgt Marcial Guajardo made Jan 4 at 2014 12:35 AM

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<p>A Chief in Saudi once told me "Son, we're here to defend democracy not practice it"</p><p>Show some respect for the office if not the man.</p>

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2014 1:16 AM

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Personally, I don't think it is the wisest decision for people that wear a military uniform to bash the President, regardless of who is in office. He is our Commander in Chief and no matter what, you have to respect the rank. What you think of the person holding the position is your personal opinion up until the moment you PUBLICLY blast that person. In the Army I have seen Soldiers be punished because they blasted or called out of name their 1SG or Commander or made threatening posts about them on social media. Why not the same penalty for disrespecting the Commander in Chief?? It is about respect at the end of the day, if you disagree with the decisions made by whoever is in office, being a service member, you shouldn't publicly disagree.

Response by SPC George Clarke made Jan 4 at 2014 10:12 AM

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When your wrong, your wrong. No matter what the rank. The president is clearly wrong on many many things and if you can't see that, your blind. He should be in prison or put to death for treason alone. Every single soldier vowed to protect the constitution. I hope everyone remembers that when the people finally had enough.

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 4 at 2014 12:34 PM

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The active military are under military rules and regulations. They can
be held accountable for speaking out against the president as Commander
in Chief.<br>Veterans have a right and an obligation to speak out against anyone who is against our country. Veterans have fought for this country and it is because of them that we all have the freedoms we have. If someone is trying to take those freedoms away we as veterans should feel threatened. The only problem with being against a president is he isn't calling the shots. The corporations in the united states are controlling everything. They have since this nation was founded. The electoral college elects the president not the people.  <br>

Response by Capt Stuart Alexander made Jan 4 at 2014 8:15 PM

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Nonsense. Face it, boys and girls.....we all raised our hands and swore to protect the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. I'm an AF Academy grad, flew for the late/great SAC back in the day, etc.....so I probably have zip to say, but I also have three of my 5 sons who are currently serving or have recently served. That means I can voice an opinion. <br><br>Obama....more importantly, that idiot's handlers......are dangerous. We are sitting here, veterans all, watching this pathetic little Communist, Muslim, gay asshat make so much toilet paper out of our Constitution (yes, the very one we all swore to protect). We watch as he fires hundreds...yes, hundreds....of senior military leaders who won't march in lock-step to his tune. We watch as he and his cronies destroy the very concept of separation of powers; totally gutting the legislative branch while simultaneously manipulating the judicial. We even here of "tests" of loyalty of officers, asking if they'd fire upon fellow citizens if ordered. For those who aren't aware of this, don't laugh. Just do your own homework. <br><br>I remember, even during those damned Clinton years, that no matter what I'd stand up for the office, if not for the man occupying it, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I can no longer say that, and it saddens me greatly. <br><br>I won't stand idly by; I trust most of you won't, either. If you do, or cling to "well gee, he IS the President, so...."......then you deal with your own conscience. <br>

Response by SFC Robert Staats made Jan 4 at 2014 8:55 PM

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I swore an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, <br>foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same." The President of the United States.  I did my time in the Army for 26 years and never give up that oath and the love for my country,  But I do remember that I do not have to follow orders that stand in violation of the Constitution for which I have swore an oath to defend and are unlawful.

Response by SFC Jim Neel made Jan 4 at 2014 10:50 PM

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I think it was very effectively covered in a previous post that there are articles in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) that cover this subject. I think that a distinction must be drawn between political discourse that is posted on social media and comments that can be classified as insubordinate towards the president, or comments that undermine good order and discipline. These must be made by leaders, and if the line was crossed there should be counseling of the service member making the derogatory comments. These distinction apply to face-to-face conversations/interactions as well (handing out leaflets calling for impeachment, for example).<br><br>Using the example of the past two presidential administrations which have wrought some very vitriolic exchanges between political factions in our country, it is noteworthy to say that all leaders should familiarize their subordinates with the regulations in the UCMJ, as well as other documents like DoD Directive 1344.10 titled "Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces." When the line is crossed by service members in their comments, either face-to-face or social media, ignorance is no defense, and they may be called to task for the comments. There have been several examples of this since the rise of social media sites like Facebook, Twitter, and others. The case of Marine Sgt Gary Stein is one example. Link to story: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/14/opinion/obeidallah-marine-obama-facebook/<br><br>As for a Veteran making comments on social media. I am referring to someone who has been discharged from the service. These individuals are private citizens again, and are not subject to the UCMJ. However, posting derogatory statements on social media about the president that are just meant to be snarky instead of furthering a substantive argument is just counterproductive, and may lead brothers and sisters in the service down a slippery rabbit hole when they respond in support. Conversely, substantive arguments that further a useful political discourse is what our country is all about as long as they adhere to existing directives.<br><br>It is important to note that the most useful tool that a service member has in their toolbox is the vote! If the direction of the nation is a point of dissatisfaction for service members they have to register, and cast their ballot on election day. For more information go to http://www.fvap.gov or talk to your unit Voting Assistance Officer.<br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://ad.doubleclick.net/activity;src=1141777;type=fvapv515;cat=fvaph715;ord=1;num=1?"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fvap.gov">Federal Voting Assistance Program - Home - To Vote Absentee, Start By Telling Us Who You Are</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">FVAP.Gov is a one-stop-shop for Uniformed and Oveseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA) citizens for absentee voting related information. UOCAVA citizens are active duty military, uniformed servic...</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/ [login to see] 9-marine-sgt-gary-stein-story-top.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/14/opinion/obeidallah-marine-obama-facebook/">Marine's Facebook posts on Obama go too far</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Dean Obeidallah says it makes sense that a Marine who said he wouldn't follow orders from Obama faces discharge</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SSgt Brian Newton made Jan 5 at 2014 7:52 AM

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<p>SPC Buck,</p><p><br></p><p>When I served back in the 80's and early 90's we were entitled to our political views, and like what many senior officers and NCO's have stated, as long as we didn't advocate violence or the remarks were disrespectful in nature, and we didn't participate in political events in uniform or while on duty, we were entitled to those.  However this admin. has what I concider declared war on the military.  Senior NCO's and Officers being purged from the military for failure to tow the company rope, Christian values and the practice of those religious beliefs being attacked on military installations, briefing members of the military that Christians, conservative political groups are extremists.  If this isn't bad enough lets attack the pay raises of active duty military, cut education benefits, cut hazardous duty pay, close commissaries, ban smoking on all installations.  Then to put the icing on the cake, lets go after the benefits we promised out vets. and retirees, cutting Tri-care coverage, increasing the cost of Tri-Care to family members, cutting their promised retirement pensions, a VA that couldn't fix a dog, let alone provide adequate care to a disabled vet, homeless rate of U.S. vets. returning from Iraq/Afghanistan through the roof.  These are facts that can't be argued, and what it stinks of is his Salalinski Rules for Radicals, that if you want to fundamentally transform something you squeeze it from the top, squeeze it from the bottom until it implodes like a pimple.  So then one has to ask, why is he doing this to the military?  Is it true that he is a member of the Muslem Brotherhood as indicated by the conservative folks in Egypt (we know he has had meetings with this group at the White House on several occasions and they refuse to release the nature of those meetings under FOIA, why?)  Is he doing this to turn the military on the American people? No body knows, what I do know he is abusing the Constitution and people including senior military officers are afraid to arrest him or impeach him.  Could it be that NSA has much dirt on our Supreme Court Justices, Senators, Representatives, and Senior Military Officers.  This surly isn't my grandfathers America sir!!!!</p>

Response by CPL Paul B. made Jan 6 at 2014 1:17 AM

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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/04/man-endorsed-assassinating-obama-benghazi-expert-fox-news-video/ <br><br>This stuff needs to stop, like right now.<br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8083/ [login to see] _9b412cb8dc_o.png"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/04/man-endorsed-assassinating-obama-benghazi-expert-fox-news-video/">Fox Airs Pundit That Favors Assassinating The President To Discuss Benghazi (VIDEO)</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Fox News must cut Michael Scheuer loose. It is time for the Justice Department to determine if his rhetoric incites presidential violence.</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2014 1:39 AM

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For a bit more clarification on this, I would encourage EVERYONE to read the following:<div><a href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf">http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>As I stated in my previous post, as an INDIVIDUAL in an OFF DUTY status not representing yourself as a member of the Armed Forces, you are fully within your rights to participate in any sort of political activities as allowed by the Hatch Act of 1939. (though I did not mention the Hatch Act in my last post.)</div><div><br></div><div>After reading through all of these posts, it amazes me how many people rely on Far Right or Far Left sources to back their arguments.  I wonder how many people actually go to the SOURCE to truly educate themselves.  Congressional testimony, voting records, Presidential activity, etc. is open to the public, and available without the input and spin provided by a particular pundit.  </div><div><br></div><div>I personally do not attack an individual, I agree with a couple of the folks on here about things like it not mattering if our President is or is not a practicing Muslim.  I wouldn't have cared if we had a Buddhist, Wiccan, Deist, Mormon, Catholic, or Atheist in the White House.  Just like I do not expect that my employer would care about my personal spiritual preference.  It seems a bit hypocritical to speak constitutionality and freedom out of one side of your mouth, while trying to stifle them out of the other side.</div><div><br></div><div>I served in Iraq, a war I did not believe we needed to be involved in, under a President I supported; I served in Afghanistan, a war I DID believe we belonged in, under a President that I do not support.  It didn't mater, and it still doesn't....I said I would follow the man's (or woman's) orders and I would still do it today.</div><div><br></div><div>As a Veteran however, there is absolutely ZERO laws that forbid my presenting myself as a Veteran, and criticizing the policies and decisions of a sitting President, and I have done so and will continue to do so.  </div><div><br></div><div>Any way, there is clarification in the DoDD, and I would recommend anyone still serving, or in the employ of the Federal government read and familiarize themselves with it.   </div><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf"></a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">l²Öm\Þ
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Response by SFC John Brooks made Jan 6 at 2014 11:41 AM

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I ran into this precise situation while attending Warrior Leaders Course. During a break, newly promoted fellow SGT had a group of junior enlisted gathered at the smoking area while he ranted about his point of view of the President. It was blatantly obvious to all listening that his point of view was born of bigotry thought he never came right out and said it. A few of us had to pull him aside and explain that as an NCO he simply could not do this, because wearing those stripes meant he needed to hold himself to a higher standard of conduct, ESPECIALLY when dealing with the Soldiers.<br><br>During the recent government shutdown, I was asked by a New York Times reporter on my way into work what my opinion of the president and the government was. My answer was "They are my superiors, and while I may not always agree with what they do or how they do it, they are in a better position than me to understand the decisions they need to make." A very PC comment to be sure, but we all need to be aware of what we represent.<br><br>Yes, we are all entitled to our opinion, but that doesn't mean forcing it into every open ear. There is a line between voicing your opinion under freedom of speech and violating good conduct and discipline in the ranks.<br>

Response by TSgt Michael Harton made Jan 6 at 2014 4:31 PM

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I think if you do you should face UMCJ actions, specially NCOs and above. It should never be allowed! As military member there is a reason why your rights and freedoms changed when you joined. You have to be in the best position to give or follow orders! You can still have freedom of speech but we were giving guidance on the professional and right way to do so that it does not UNDERMIND OUR LEADERS. Because why??? plain and smiple, how do we expect Airman Snuffy to follow SSgt President-Hater when he/she is talking crap about our leaders, questioning orders or possible craping on Airman Snuffy's personal views? Not to mention, that most times SSgt President-Hater is not educated enough to know what he/she is talking about!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2014 6:46 PM

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When I rose my hand and I Swore I would obey the orders of the President of the United States of America. Before I go further It is very unprofessional to down talk about our superiors and can be punishable under UCMJ.  Now Im not going to say that I have never talked bad about a leader, who hasn't, but never publicly.  To conclude I have also Swore to DEFEND the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, against all enemies foreign and domestic. And this I will do.<br>

Response by SGT Thomas Lucken made Jan 7 at 2014 10:36 AM

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I think there is some difference in between being a veteran, former military, then someone active.  First of all, the President is a elected position and all of us have the option to vote for whomever we want.  The President is not promoted to his position or appointed due to his rank.  He is elected by ALL eligible voters, which naturally includes military members!  <br><br>Now the Office of President should be respected as I SFC Gates said, but doesn't mean I have to respect the person in it!  Hell Clinton didn't even show respect for the White House, and please don't try to tell me different.  The boy was caught with his pants down and lied!  :-)  <br><br>The ballot is where we can all tell who we want!  I can complain all day about Obama, but he is there till 2016.  Then I can vote differently, lets just hope there is a worth while candidate.  As I am concerned, both parties are on my hit list after voting to cut military pensions!  I am a so-called Republican!!!  But people have blamed the Democrats for the pension, really?  In the house 67 vote for the cuts, there isn't 67 Democrat Senators, furthermore the House is Republican controlled and they voted for the cuts.....  <br><br>One of my first questions about a politician when I decide to vote; has he/she served in the military!  And the 2nd question is:  Do they support our troops!!!!  I have to have a yes on both or they don't get my vote.<br><br>If I got a bit off track, sorry.  But politcs has gotten to be sicking issue in our country.<br>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2014 1:56 PM

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What I see most often is Soldiers doing this through social media while having pictures of themselves in uniform and job title as army or whatever service they are affiliated with. If they are affiliated with a branch of service on social media they should not be posting their personal political opinions expect ally without distinguishing that it is their personal view and by no means the view of the military or others therein. It's just like attending a political rally, you can do this on your own time but not distinguishing yourself as a service member. People try to add weight to their opinion by doing so.

Response by Sgt Lonnie Rush made Jan 9 at 2014 12:44 AM

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For Enlisted <br><br>I, (<i>NAME</i>), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.<br><br>For Officers<br><br>I, <i>[name]</i>, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation
or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge
the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.<br>

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 10 at 2014 10:16 PM

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I don't think SMs target the President for he does that on his own.  If I only stated facts those statements which won't be statement of my own, more like statements made by the President himself and then matched with actions that say otherwise.  I will probably have a few people getting the wrong perception.  Once someone said, "You should support the President".  I stated, "I am not required by support him but I am prohibited by regulation not to disrespect him or his position.  I will leave you all with this, all Presidents lie to get elected.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 1:10 PM

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SPC Buck.   I have not heard one comment from people who love President Obama that what was said about President Bush was wrong.  Not one and not categorically.  That hubris is what is causing the intense feelings here.    You know like calling the former President a War Criminal.   Has he followed people to the ends of the world to prosecute and did he get people fired?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 5:55 PM

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What is your take on the discussion above?

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jan 11 at 2014 10:07 PM

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It's sad but true that active duty personnel surrender some of the rights accorded to ordinary citizens for the sake of military order and discipline. No, they cannot be ordered to do something illegal, especially not something that violates anyone's Constitutional rights. And it is very difficult for them to make snap decisions about the legality of an order, especially in the heat of battle. Hey, no one said it was easy to serve. I remember this well inasmuch as I once served albeit in the distant past.<div><br></div><div>That is why I feel it is incumbent on veterans to speak on behalf of those on active duty. We can still serve if only to be their voice.</div><div><br></div><div>That being said, I have the greatest sympathy for those serving today. Their Commander-in-Chief has no respect for them or the Constitution they are sworn to defend. I apologize to them for being among the population who elected and, even worse, reelected him. No, I didn't vote for him, but neither did I do all that I could to have worked for the election of someone, anyone better. It is that failure that inspires me to speak out even more forcefully today for those on active duty. I hope they will do the same when they become veterans (and I pray that they survive to enjoy that status some day).</div>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 10:09 PM

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Honestly it is very disrespectful.  We take an oath for a reason when we first enlist and part of that oath states " I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."  I do belive everyone should be entitled to their own opinion, but in certain aspects they should remain just that.  There is no need to add to the insult what other countries do. There are so many people who look up to us that serve, from children to veterans, therefore you shall remain professional and if one feel as if they cant refrain from downtalking their commander in chief they don't deserve to wear the uniform they DECIDED to take an oath to wear.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2014 11:02 PM

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CSM Colin P,  what exactly do you mean by KoolAid drinkers?   Those who have a different opinion than yourself?  Saying others are misinformed is an opinion.  What we can say however is that every president steps into the White House and must have that epiphany,  oh lord what did I get in to?   But I have asked others who are too stubborn to reply honestly and that is,  "Do you support the bashing of President Bush and is he a war criminal?   

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Jan 11 at 2014 11:16 PM

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In Short, yes it should be allowed, as WE ALL raised our hands and swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against ALL enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC, that is our first and foremost duty.  Then second, we are to obey all Lawful Orders, by the President of the United States and all officers appointed over us.  The President is an individual who has openly stated that the Constitution is a "hindrance to his agenda", and has violated the Constitution on numerous occasions, and has committed acts of sedition against our Constitution, our service members, our citizens, and our allies.  In the Founding Document of the United States it states: <div>"<span style="background-color: rgb(233, 230, 226); color: rgb(70, 62, 62); font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;">We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(233, 230, 226); color: rgb(70, 62, 62); font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;"> </span>" Barrack Obama and his Marxist ideology is a threat to our Rights of Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness, as his repeated exercising extra-constitutional powers by issuance of Executive Orders to circumvent the Constitutional Powers given exclusively to the Congress, and more specifically the House of Representatives, along with selectively enforcing whatever laws he desires and ignores others, for political reasoning.  That has proven his being a threat to the stability and credibility of the United States of America.  We, have a duty to uphold our oaths and defend the Constitution, and to enforce our Rights granted in the Declaration of Independence, and to remove him, and all of his minions and to restore the Constitution of the United States as the ultimate limiter of the Powers of the National Government, and the protection of the Rights of the States and the Citizens of the United States.  Anyone who states that we cannot or are not allowed to do that, should never have ever served in our military, as such individuals does not understand the duties of the military for the protection of our nation.  We are not a political-partisan tool, we are a Constitutional and National Defense tool. </div>

Response by SGT Michael McMahon made Jan 11 at 2014 11:55 PM

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After reading many of the comments, one thing is becoming overwhelmingly clear, and that is that we need to decentralize our military, and return it to the control of the individual states.  The danger of a strong centralized military, is that is could be used for political reasons, especially since the undermining of the Posse Comitatus Act by President Obama, gives him or any future Partisan Hack the power to use the military to quash any political dissent, just like is done in China, Cuba, North Korea and the former Soviet Union and every other Marxist nation.  <div><br></div><div>The National Government (It has not been a Federal Government since the 17th Amendment was ratified) has grown too big to be controlled by the Constitution, and is no longer responsive to the demands of the people or the States, and the Politicians treat us like we are nothing, calling us potential domestic terrorists, and trying to ensure that we can not own weapons, as they know that we swore to protect the Constitution, and many of us have actually taken the time to study and understand the Constitution's true meaning, which is a treat to their desire for absolute power (both Democrats and Republicans alike).  <div><br></div><div>With a decentralized military will take some of the threat against the citizenry by the politicians away and it will be harder to get 50 governors to turn the troops against the citizens, as some will defend the citizens against those who will try to turn on the citizens.  We need to have 34 States call for a Constitutional Convention, to put together Amendments to strip the National Government of a lot of its powers, and to clear everyone out of Washington DC and the other national bureaucratic offices across the United States, and to re-insert the Limitation Powers of the Constitution over a reinstated Federal Government.</div></div>

Response by SFC Anthony Crute made Jan 12 at 2014 1:30 AM

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<p>I think that a lot of people (Vets and Active Duty alike) disliked the President from day one before he even entered the White House or even muttered a single word. The true reason for this dislike is somewhat TABOO to discuss. I find that a lot of people constantly make up reasons and excuses (sometimes rediculous)  to down talk our current President to hide the real reason for the dislike. </p><p>For instance Fox News was saying "that the President didn't care for the people that earn minimum wage" "He had no intentions to see that the minimum wage be raised!" But when they found out that he had been working on sending up a bill to be voted on by the house to raise the mininum wage, the same critics said that he was squandering our money, and  the minimum wage people only was going to buy big screen TVs and new cars! Lets see I think that statement was per Mr, Hannity. So it is pretty safe to say that whatever he do, it will be wrong. (kind of like Damned if you do and Damed if you don't) During my life, I have disagreed with quite a few Presidents, but I did not disrespect them, lie on them, question their worth on every situation and in fact, I respected them as a person and I respected the position that he held. After all, being in the Armed Forces and a Government worker, the President will always be my boss. During these two terms, I have never in my life of 56 years, seen so much blatant disrespect for the top position in this country by people in the military. Isn't that kind of like treason? I also don't understand why when i was in Iraq and other places overseas in combat zones, places that had TVs in them kept the channel on FOX News. I don't know if it was just me, but I felt very strange sitting among many different allied soldiers in a combat zone, listening to this American news station constantly attack, low rate, contradict, down talk and discredit our own Leader. All of the allied foreign soldiers, that I talked to, admired our Presdent and the United States were the only ones that disliked him. One Austrailian Soldier said out loud in the defac, "I don't understand If you all don't like your bloody President, than for whom are you blokes fighting for?" At that time the whole defac burst out into laughter. I was thoroughly embarrassed and I failed to see the humor.</p>

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Jan 12 at 2014 4:15 PM

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Kick the Wussies out of congress and let them deal with POTUS.  I live so far away from DC that very little of what any those clowns do effects me or my State.  By the way, we have "No Vacancy" signs up for a reason.  We don't need anymore progressives no matter what party you belong to. I like the current ratio. About 1:5000. Just Sayin'.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Jan 12 at 2014 6:30 PM

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With former Secretary Gates new book being released it is more evident why military members and veterans have gotten the impression that the President does not fully respect and support our military.  The recent proposed cuts to military and veteran benefits are a result of Presidential appointees carrying out the President's policies.  The extremely tight rules of engagement that endanger our military in combat are another example of policy implementation from the top. There is also the proposed closing of stateside commissaries.<br><br>Our military takes an oath to defend the Constitution and that is senior portion of the oath but many of the Presidents policies directly conflict with that Constitution forcing causing questioning of his sincerity in his own oath of office twice taken.<br><br>Respecting of the office and watching your words while on active duty are critical.  It is also very critical that all of us respect our own oath above all else.  We even have senior officers now being queried if they would implement orders to fire on Americans.<br><br>http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-to-military-will-you-fire-on-americans/<br><div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://investmentwatchblog.com/wp-content/themes/atahualpa346/images/logo.png"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-to-military-will-you-fire-on-americans/">Obama to Military – Will you FIRE on Americans? | InvestmentWatch</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Military litmus test. Obama asking officers if they will shoot an American if the command was given. Some officers stepping down. Government buying enuff</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>

Response by SGT Darin Murphy made Jan 13 at 2014 3:42 AM

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I have always respected the rank or "position" but true respect has to be earned. <div>Is it not our oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND Domestic?</div><div>in my humble opinion, POTUS is an enemy of our constitution. I have a supervisor at work who is dumber than a box of rocks and an ass. I do what I am told because of the position. but that does not stop me from voicing my opinion. With that said, I do not feel that active duty personnel should be gagged. If you are given an illegal order, do you obey it? I also have a problem with a president who has not served in the forces. </div><div>As for cutting from the military... when we joined voluntarily, we basically  gave Uncle Sam a blank check up to and including our lives if necessary. There is no greater sacrifice and all veterans should be compensated for their commitment. Without the military we would probably speaking a different language and Obama wouldn't be president. </div>

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Jan 13 at 2014 8:17 AM

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Whether you like the President or not, he is the Commander-In-Chief and deserves the same respect as any other member of the chain of command. Criticism of the President can fall in the gray area between the First Amendment and the UCMJ so be careful about what you say. What's said in private conversation is generally regarded as private but once it's on a social media forum it's public. If there are any doubts about the propriety of your comments it's best to keep them private.<div><br></div><div>Military members have the right to speak out so long as it's clear that you're doing so as a private citizen but the lines are blurred when people know you're in the service. </div>

Response by Lt Col Steve Gillette made Jan 13 at 2014 10:14 AM

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We signed up to protect the country and constitution.  And to abide by the regulations, policies, and rules.  We did not enlist to worship or protect any particular person.<br><br>So, if our opinions of any one person are expressed in a way that doesn't conflict with the rules, there should be no issue.<br><br>Of course you will have to deal with the people who think they should stop you from expressing any opinion that they don't like.  So be ready for that before you embark on a "free speech" crusade, lol.  They will lie cheat & steal, and misuse the military system, so beware.<br><br>Respect is earned, and we all decide whether our own has been earned or not.  You should show any and every commander (and NCOIC) the respect that is needed for good order and the mission.  You need to know where the line is drawn.  Beyond that, we are allowed to have opinions and speak of them.<br><br>But like I said, be ready to fight back against those who think you shouldn't.  The world is full of them.<br>

Response by TSgt Marcial Guajardo made Jan 13 at 2014 7:43 PM

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SGT Michael McMahon
I know we're a republic. I could have argued semantics with the Chief but that would have been pointless and irrelevant. The point of the quote was to distinguish the difference between the UCMJ, military conduct and civilian government regardless of the form of the government

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2014 11:44 AM

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2014 12:57 PM

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I think everybody should re-read the question at hand.  People are
reading way to far into it.  This question has no opinion or takes sides
of anyone or any topic, SPC Buck has tried to explain that.  If this topic offends you that much then move on, its not difficult.<br><br>The Constitution is what it is, and should not be disregarded by anyone not even the C in C / Congress, etc.  Yes maybe amended to keep up with the times, but then amendments need to be changed as well, but the original Constitution should never change.  I cherish my right to bear arms and for freedom of speech.  If someone steps foot on my property to take my guns away, well, I'm not sure if I can legally say how I feel about that.  New classes, being in the Army, are mandatory or you don't go to NCOES
and you don't get promoted, one goes over the constitution, so every
Army enlisted Soldier should know their constitutional rights.<br><br>Now those of you who criticize Bush JR and praise Obama, who is taking our retirement away? and not stopping congress, while congress turns around and gives themselves a pay raise, that's where our budget cuts going.  Bush never tried to take away our second amendment or cut our pensions, or cut military benefits of those currently serving, he was pro military, he wanted to give us more.  you want to talk about our debt, Obama at least doubled what Bush got us into.  Bush had a plan to get us out the last couple years he was in, it WAS working, until the current took over.<br><br>I think that every law should just be thrown out and start over, rebuild everything, making new laws and regulations from ground up.  I think that would solve some of our issues.<br>

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2014 7:22 PM

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I over heard numerous individuals in uniform talk down on the President. I believe that if you are wearing the uniform, that should mean that no matter what, you support your commander in chief.  I know that that's one of the reasons I enlisted and reenlisted over and over again.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2014 3:52 AM

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CSM Colin P,  I hope you are not alluding to deniers as people who do not agree with the Global Warming Issue.   I get tired of unprofessional people pretending to be scientists.  

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2014 7:32 AM

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There is a false dichotomy in this issue- too often it is said or implied that a Soldier's choices are:<div><br></div><div>a) Express unflagging support for all presidential actions and policies</div><div>b) Make a treasonous speech calling for revolution</div><div><br></div><div>The solution is the lost art of tact.  Any SNCO has had to take aside their commissioned peer (Platoon Sergeant to Platoon Leader) and explain that while they are ultimately in charge, their decisions aren't in the best interests of the unit and need to be relooked.  It is not only an option, but an obligation and one of the key reasons NCOs are paired with officers at every level of command.</div><div><br></div><div>The connection between this and your question is in venue.  A PSG should NEVER have that discussion with the PL in front of the platoon.  A good 1SG would never think of talking to the Company Commander like that in front of a company formation, just has they would never vent to the troops about difficulties with the commander- it's unprofessional.  Should a Soldier express discontent with policies from the White House?  Absolutely- through their elected officials.  Should they express those concerns to civilians, subordinates, or peers?  No.</div><div><br></div><div>Something like this is completely appropriate.  "I serve at the President's order and while I don't always understand why he has made the decisions he has made, I am proud to serve my country.  I look forward to the country showing the military what is wanted from us during the next voting period."</div>

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Jan 16 at 2014 10:17 AM

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American's have a duty to America to not only vote, but to express their opinion of politicians and attempt to get changes instituted when mistakes are made.  That is why the Constitution allows for corrections to elections.  The current office holder is not popular with all members of the military.  Throughout history American Military has never, unlike many countries, staged a coup and overthrown a president, even though our oath allows for the possibility.<div><br></div><div>As far as the current office holder goes, his policies are so controversial and at times seem to be anti-American, and anti-working class that all Americans, including military members wind up having to talk about his decisions.  </div><div><br></div><div>We have a duty to Obey the orders of the C-I-C when issued, but as Americans all of us also have an obligation to fight city hall when city hall is wrong.  I KNOW Chicago Politics and Politicians and this Occupant of the Nation's City Hall deserves to be fought at all times.</div>

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2014 3:43 PM

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Without getting into all the political crap I've seen here from both sides of the aisle, here's my take on the situation:<br><br>Right way to criticize:  I don't like President Obama because I think he's screwing up health care with the Affordable Care Act.  It's not good legislation and it's creating more problems than it solves.  I also don't like him because I think he's not standing up for the military enough and showing disrespect to our service.<br><br>Wrong way to critizcize:  Obummer is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist Hitler coming to take our guns and kick us out if we disagree!!!!<br><br>NOTE: THESE ARE NOT MY OPINIONS, THEY ARE EXAMPLES!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>Basically, if you don't namecall, and if you cite facts, and you address the President in a respectful manner, you should be fine.  Take the emotion out of it.  That's where you'll trip yourself up.<div><br></div>

Response by SFC Anthony Crute made Jan 17 at 2014 11:25 PM

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<p>Now I see why I don't see many people of color on these pages, it seems that the given question about the President brought forth the real internal feelings from some of these so call soldiers. I see that the majority of participants are little more than modern hate mongers with run of the mill klan type views, looking and waiting for a forum to spew  hatred. (The lies, the name calling) are these  examples of  true red blooded Americans or a bunch of radicals hiding behind uniforms? I often wonder, if you all think as you do. why are you all even in the military? You all know that you are fighting for the same Government that you hate. Maybe you all want to get some cheap training so you can defend yourself against the upcoming great minority uprising? Com'on Really!? (LOL)!  Let the true and the real American soldiers with real American pride and love for the American way of life, serve our country. I am kind of suprised to see that a decent and respectable site like Rally Point go beyond the opinions and discussions and post comments of hate like the Obama Bin lying comment! Like it or not he was voted in not once but twice by the overall public. So hats off to the real Soldiers that love our country and respect our Goverment (disagree or not) and for the hate mongers, since you don't like the Government anyway, get out of the military, stop wasting Government pay, go deep in the woods and, lets see, ahhhh make duck calls or something!</p><p> </p>

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 20 at 2014 3:16 AM

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"If you like your doctor, you can keep him"  "If you like your current health insurance you can keep it".  HA just kidding!  I know all along you couldn't do that. 

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2014 4:18 AM

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Though provoking questions indeed, Specialist!  Social media is not only helping to connect the world at a rapid pace, it can also be a weapon of defragmenting us all at the same time!  It is more wise, in my opinion, to be very selective in comments, blogs, posts, etc.  regarding POTUS and several other elected/appointed leaders at the highest level of our nation's government.  Believe it or not, it could have a direct impact on you personally and professionally.  Also, discussion of pay, politics, and religion in public forum is never a good idea.  I understand everyone has their own opinions, frustrations, not to mention reactions to the media, etc., however it may be in our best interest to remain loyal with a winning attitude when the rest of the world has their doubts and insecurities about our CIC.  Misery loves company, let the general public project their negativity if they feel so compelled or inclined to do so.  <div><br></div><div>So much depends on reputation---guard it with your life---Robert Greene<br><div><br></div></div>

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2014 5:23 AM

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While In Uniform and off that is Our commander and Chief Elected by the People to lead the USA respect should be given even if there is a disagreement with a law or policy.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2014 9:31 PM

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As a soldier, we hold no public opinion on politics, religion or ANYTHING whatsoever that can in any way be thought of as slanderous or defamation to the Army (or your current military service).  Outside of uniform and without use of your service as a public stepping stool or forum, you are perfectly fine with having all the opinions in the world. The only caveat to that is to always be respectful because whether in or out of uniform at the time, we are at all times held under UCMJ.

Response by MAJ John Drake made Feb 17 at 2014 8:46 AM

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If you are still serving, be it Active, Reserve or Guard, you are subject to UCMJ action for speaking out against the POTUS. You are not allowed to campaign or show political affliliation.  If you are a veteran, who has completed your service, it is your responibility to speak out for those soldiers who cannot.  <div><br></div><div>Having served under Clinton and Obama administrations, I couldn't wait to use my 1st Ammendment rights after retiring.  Anyone remember the "Do more with less" mantra? What a freaking joke!</div><div><br></div><div>Serve honorably.  Do your job to the best of your ability. Roll with the punches, and keep your opinions to yourself and let those of us who are no longer UCMJ bound, but still oath bound, to do the talking.  </div><div><br></div>

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 11:23 PM

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I have more than a few military friends that are fairly vocal about their political opinions. It definitely makes me cringe. The whole purpose of a chain of command is to streamline the command and decision process. I wonder how quick these same "dissenters" would be to criticize or punish someone under their command for openly disagreeing with their authority. Insubordination is insubordination... 

Response by TSgt Christopher D. made Feb 18 at 2014 12:03 AM

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I understand the purpose behind limiting the speech of military service members against the POTUS, but it sure seems like a kick in the ass to me that the very men and women who volunteer to protect the Constitution, including that pesky Bill of Rights where speech is the first right listed that government cannot infringe upon, have their right to free speech so carefully culled. 

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 20 at 2014 2:12 PM

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I think the current administration has been in office long enough that if individuals feel so strongly against the Commander in Chief, the had their opportunity to get out. I feel you gotta respect the COC and if you don't, quit talking about it quit working for the government. Put your money where your mouth is.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 1:16 AM

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Simple fact of the matter-we cannot do anything about it. Its up to us to leave to the legislators to deal with their actions in whatever way the public intends to wield that power, and might I add, power that no single individual should have, including the CiC. In the end, his is answerable to the people of the United States. He is in there because the masses are appealed to him, and in the same fashion he was instated into the Oval Office, he can be forced out by legislative processes. Do I hold faith that this would occur?<div><br></div><div>Not at all-for the following reasons-</div><div>I know I will hit a touchy subject here but have some fortitude and understand that I am not racist. I have a Latina stepmother, a German father, an Irish biological mother, and some of my best friends are gay, black, Oriental, and insert label here.</div><div><br></div><div>No legislator in office wants the claim of being the person to impeach the first black President. I know its a underlying issue here, but it seriously is a guiding factor that a lot of people have admitted to on television.</div><div><br></div><div>Secondly-even with a House majority vote to move forward on Impeachment proceedings, it is left up to the Senate to take the President to trial. As we all well know, the Senate is a Democrat stronghold, so unless the Conservative movement takes control of the Senate in the midterms this year, its a dead movement.</div><div><br></div><div>Third-and touching on the heart of the debate here, we are all entitled to respectful thoughts and opinions. I make my best attempt to give someone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, and you can take that at its meaning based on current events. Regardless of my thoughts and opinions-my personal beliefs are kept close at hand with those I trust. </div><div><br></div><div>Our place of duty resides at just that, the workplace. Politics, religion, and philosphical thought should be left at the door and picked up on the way out, because there is no need for it when you are trying to focus on fixing a component on an aircraft, or wiring a switch so the Battlenet can be set up, or doing a headspace and timing on an M2. Regardless of your thoughts of our CiC, leave them at the door. Respect the Office, and respect the choices of the American people. Like or it not, he is here to stay until 2016. </div>

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2014 9:23 AM

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<p>I wish those in higher command went back to the tradition of remaining as apolitical as possible. General Eisenhower didn't declare a political party until after his retirement and not long before his nomination to be president. It was bad form back then to show a political bend because it blurred the lines between the civil-military relationship. As for the president, I personally like President Obama, I think he does a good job, considering the amount of opposition he has had to face, and that those who dislike him put up blinders to the good things he's done for veterans and military families (changes to the post 9/11 GI Bill, increased funding to veteran homelessness funding). If you think his policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq were not supportive, well that's kind 'a why he got elected. I personally disliked President Bush because of those he hired (Rumsfeld; Cheney) and that everything he did was all about feeding the military industrial complex or the pockets of his rich supporters.</p><p>   </p>

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Feb 22 at 2014 6:51 PM

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As the President said if you don't like him or his policies than vote him out.Don't destroy our Democracy by disrespecting Our Countries Highest Office.

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Feb 22 at 2014 7:21 PM

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Soldier to Soldier, or Airman to Airman in my case, we all bitch from time to time.  Never to a superior and never in public.  The Commander in Chief is the Commander in Chief regardless of who it is.  We follow orders because that is our job, that is the oath we all took.  I am frankly disgusted with the present Commander in Chief.  Yet that is irrelevant.  He will soon be replaced by someone else and it is at that point that I have the opportunity to express my will, as does everyone, including active military members.

Response by PFC Peter Bohnhof made Feb 25 at 2014 4:16 PM

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Well, if we didn't have such a worthless, lying, anti-American values dirtbag for a president, then there would probably not be so much negativity hurled his way.

Response by SSG Raymond Andrews made Feb 26 at 2014 7:26 AM

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When a Soldier is still on active duty, they did keep their opinions to themselves.  As a retiree, I'm a private citizen and I will fully exercise my right to free speech.

Response by 1SG Edward Tushar made Feb 26 at 2014 1:37 PM

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I believe it is wrong no matter if you are in the military or a civilian.  There is a difference between disagreeing and speaking professionally or as I have seen numerous social media postings and bumper stickers - extremely unprofessional and derogatory.  There is no call and it helps no one if you are derogatory in your commentary.  I believe that use of profanity or degrading someone means you have lost the argument. 

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made Feb 26 at 2014 1:41 PM

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<P>Reading a lot of responses, and most of them are in agreement that the POTUS is the Commander in Chief and should be respected.  As long as he upholds his oath of office you are duty bound to do your's.  But don't ever forget you have an obligation to something much higher than the President.  You took an oath to defend the constitution of the United States.  If you remember your UCMJ training in basic you were also taught that you are duty bound to refuse to obey an illegal order.  I served under some questionable Presidents, but I never had a issue follow the order and respecting those appointed above me. I didn't like some of them.  But none of them ordered me to do anything illegal or to violate my oath of enlistment.</P>
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<P>I would NEVER open fire on American citizens.  Would you?  I know there's a litmus test in the officers corps that asks that question.  If you answer NO, your career is over.  Look at how many senior officers have "retired" under the current President!  More than at any other time in history including after WWI and WWII.  The political atmosphere is the most violent I've ever seen it.  </P>
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<P>Many people truly believe a revolution is in the works.  Not a Civil War.  It's one in which we deny tyranny and restore a government that is representative of the people.  When that revolution comes, will you fire on citizens?  I am not trying to steal the thread, but it's things that you must be thinking about.  Active duty personnel, would you shoot your neighbors, family members, stangers because they disagree with the direction this country is heading?</P>
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Response by CSM Michael Poll made Feb 28 at 2014 3:43 PM

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While it is the free choice of Servicemember to follow a particulr party of thier choosing, one must be VERY careful on what the say, post as a Servicemember.  The Commander in Chief is the Commander in Chief.  Any derogatory statments could be use against a Servicemember as disrespect and punishable under the UCMJ.  You have every right to disagree with the policies, but you must be vigilant in your resolve to the Commander in Chief as your supreme Commander of the armed forces.

Response by SFC Ian Lumgair made Feb 28 at 2014 6:05 PM

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I have herd a lot about this and there is much misunderstanding. I have even listen to seniors throw around words like insubordinate and sedition. If you are name calling knock it off, it reflects poorly on you, your service to the country and like it or not. the rest of the service. <br>If you object to a policy, an agenda, or a political direction. do so civilly. know you talking points and have your facts straight. There is nothing wrong with candor.      <br>

Response by SSgt George Brown made Feb 28 at 2014 7:02 PM

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Unlawful orders coming from anyone are still unlawful.  You are held accountable for that.  <br>The office of the President and CIC of the Military does not entitle any person with the right to order anyone to do unconstitutional things, plain and simple.  <br>My problem is this.  The current CIC has stripped many of the General Staff of their positions, he has now installed newer Generals.  <div>Also, I am not sure who called the stand down order on helping in Benghazi, but an in theater General was immediately relieved of his command when he stated he was going to do a rescue of an AMBASSADOR of the United States and those trying to protect him.  Why is this being swept under the rug?  What was going on that those who gave the order to stand down do not want the public to know about?  Gunrunning?</div><div>I am sorry if I am offending people here, but if there were an R behind our current Presidents name, we would know, for the news media would have wanted every juicy detail.  But they are deathly silent in this case.<br>I believe, if the leadership of the House were more interested in justice than they are at the berating of the media, there would have been impeachment hearings on Benghazi, politicizing of the IRS, and the enemies list.</div>

Response by SGT Dannie T. McLaughlin made Mar 1 at 2014 4:17 PM

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You have no freedom until you E.T.S. You gave that up. Follow lawful order and respect your NCO, Commanding Officers and Chiefs. 

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Mar 2 at 2014 1:01 PM

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Good topic SPC Buck, this has been going on for years and now in my opinion, it is more relevant with social media playing a huge factor. I think Soldiers need to understand their position as a Soldier and a civilian. Doing the right thing as a professional Soldier sets the example to our country and displays the Army Values; that is the core to professional military bearing.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Mar 2 at 2014 4:04 PM

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As long as I wore the uniform as member of the US Army, I did my utmost to not disparage the office of POTUS...when I retired it became a little bit easier for me to speak my mind about issues, and I will not hold back if I feel that the individual holding the office turns out to be a complete idiot and makes us as a nation look weak, indifferent or buffoonish in the eyes of the world. We know, or are supposed to know that we do relinquish a bit of our freedoms when we don the uniforms of our military when it comes to speaking out about many issues, and I held to that belief/truth while serving and have tried my best to instill the same in those that served with or under me, as well as in my son who is currently serving.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 4:12 PM

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Response by SSG Dave Rogers made Mar 2 at 2014 4:18 PM

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I find it sad in this day and age that military personal think that once you take the uniform off at night that you are not held to the same standards as when you are wearing it. It does not matter if you like the president or not, it does not matter if you agree with him or not. He is your commander in chief and regardless of how you personally feel as a soldier it is your responsibility to show the proper respect in uniform or out. After you retire or get out you can say what you want, but when you are in, the respect is given. This especially holds true to leaders. As leaders we have a responsibility to lead by example, if we freely talk bad about our leaders, what keeps a enlisted from bad mouthing you or disrespecting you? When I was in I had a SFC I did not like, but no matter how much I did not like him, the respect went to him and his rank, because at the end of the day, respect is something that is given to receive and is earned, and if you dont understand that, if you think military rules only apply when others are watching or you are wearing your uniform, than you should not be a leader.

Response by SSgt George Brown made Mar 2 at 2014 6:36 PM

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<p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; text-decoration: inherit; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px;">The meaning of Article 88 "If not personally contemptuous, ad-verse criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article in the course of a political discussion, even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a violation of the article.</p><p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; text-decoration: inherit; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px;">Similarly, expressions of opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily be charged. Giving broad circulation to a written publication containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense. The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial."</p><p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; text-decoration: inherit; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px;"><br></p><p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; text-decoration: inherit; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px;">This is a political discussion, therefore Article 88 does not apply. </p><p style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1.5em; text-decoration: inherit; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px;"><br></p>

Response by SSG Ed Michela made Mar 2 at 2014 8:16 PM

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While I was in Iraq I forbade my soldiers to talk ill of the President and tried to instill respect for the President. I always told them that they didn't have to like him but while they were serving in uniform and especially over seas I was not going to tolerate anyone talking bad about the President, i.e., name calling, or anything other than just friendly debating about US Politics. If NCO's are talking bad about the President and lower subordinates hear this, what's to say that it will end there?  As a military we cannot, and should not tolerate any subordinate to talk blatantly bad about our leaders. If leaders are not doing the right thing than those above them will eventually see it and make the right changes. 

Response by SSgt George Brown made Mar 2 at 2014 9:03 PM

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I, for one, will no longer be posting in this thread.  It has become too heated.  I hope the best to all of you!!!!!  You all deserve it, thank you for your service.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 11:27 PM

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Well to start things off The Constitution and Federal Law preside above UCMJ, they are the Engines for UCMJ and what gives it power to be law for those who are commissioned or enlisted.  So that does mean that our freedom of speech is not compromised at all...but there are federal laws as well as UCMJ laws that work together to keep an armed body such as our military in line with Authority above them.  Articles 88 of UCMJ is specifically tailored for this.  So while you think its not illegal due to blind eye of of popular opinion it is very illegal. Just ask General McChrystal.<br><br>Personally considering the fact that we transitioned from a force that was previously a majority of draftees to an all volunteer force, I feel that UCMJ needs to have an overhaul with respect to Citizens who are also by oath and definition Patriots.<br><br>Orders are orders and they need to be obeyed, or the strength of our Military Structure will be compromised.  When it comes to consent to officials and UCMJ having supreme authority over punishment with a blanket authority for maximum punishments. I feel there needs to be restrictions on it, and anyone who is to be punished under Article 88 needs to be removed from the military and not face any other type of punishment.<br><div><br></div><div>So with that being said I fully support the articles but I feel that legal actions and behaviors civilians are granted should follow suit for UCMJ in that if its not a punishable offence for a civilian it should not be punishable under UCMJ, and removal from Service is not a punishment in my book, but an administrative action needed to keep our military structure from failing at the hands of those who do not respect it.<br><br>Does anyone find this opinion unreasonable?</div>

Response by CSM Chris McKeown made Mar 3 at 2014 5:41 PM

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The US Supreme Court has upheld a soldiers freedom of speech as long as that speech does not violate UMCJ. <br><br>Now this is where things are getting catchy. Our first duty is to support and defend the Constitution of the US, then to obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over military members. Well many feel that the current administration has violated the Constitution of the US and has over stepped it's autority and is continuing to do so. <br><br>Now I am no lawyer, but I do have some common sense. If I receive a order that goes against the Constitution of the US or to try and enforce any military action that could jeopardize the US Constitution and the American people then I would have to disobey that order and suffer the consequence for my actions.<br><br>I have served under 5 Presidents and have never had to disobey a order, but I have seen things that I did not agree with under all 5 Presidents. I have voiced my concerns in the proper settings over the years, mostly to get feed back from fellow service members on what they see and feel. A concern about policy can be spoken in the proper setting but heed crossing the line.<br>

Response by LT Ken Anderson made Mar 4 at 2014 9:32 PM

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If you can no longer respect your Commander in Chief or because of your political persuasion conviently participate in this particular debate, fueled primarily by civilians and others who have never worn the uniform  and voluntarily placed themselves in harms way....If you wear the uniform and can no longer serve honorably and instead of having a predisposition to obey orders, now choose to be political and question the validity of those same orders.....please, for the sake of those who have gone on before you...get out of that uniform pronto and become a civilian before you dishonor the service, the uniform and the rest of us.<div><br></div><div><br></div>

Response by Sgt Matthew O'Donnell made Mar 6 at 2014 10:10 AM

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I can't just post or talk however I want about my boss at my civilian job. I would get fired or forced to resign. But anyone else not related to that company, have at it. Being a veteran I can criticize the commander and chief all I want. But if I was still active duty or a reservist, I would have to follow Article 88 of the UCMJ. <br><br>You have the right to say what you want as a civilian, but as soon as you sign that contract you waive some of your rights, or pay the consequences.<span class="hdrrmn" style="float:left;"><span><h1 id="query_h1" class="query_h1"><br></h1></span></span>

Response by MSG Jj Bailey made Mar 6 at 2014 3:39 PM

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To be totally honest a president does not run this country.....its the Fab 13 that do the Bankers and the owners of the US Treasury dept....wake up u guys are blind to the real deal, no president has ever run this country and never will till we get rid of the rich and the powers that be.... till then we are slaves to the rich

Response by Cpl David Hall made Mar 6 at 2014 11:08 PM

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As far as the veterans speaking out they can and may. We have been there done that some of us left pieces there. Regardless if I agree with a fellow veteran or not I will Never do anything to silence them or help silence them and any that do try to silence them regardless of opinion should stand by. I am not an eloquent man nor do I pull punches. I do not believe that the current regime is or has a good record of leading. As far as active duty speaking out yes they may and it is protected under D.O.D order as long as it is not inciting riots etc etc. 

Response by 1SG David Niles made Mar 7 at 2014 1:37 PM

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Veterans, hell yes, we served and earned the right to freedom of speech, active duty, hell no. That is your commander in chief. Support him until....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2014 12:09 AM

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Having read through this thread several times, I can see its definitely a hot topic. The arguements being placed by both sides have concrete evidence in both, yet, the fact remains that this is not our fight to uphold. We have our Oath, we have our duty, and that lies with the Constitution and the American people. <div><br></div><div>While all of the rest falls into place behind them , in my opinion, the fact remains you respect the Office and not the individual. That s not to say I d spit in my hand and be disrespectful to the mans face, considering no one should be afforded that treatment.</div><div><br></div><div>I base my opinions and judgement of a person based on their morals and work ethic. Based on the standards of my father, his father before him, etc...the keys to success lie in hard work and dedication and no one is going to hand you anything. Again, these are my standards and mine alone, and based on those, whether they be too lenient or too hard, I have yet to be impressed by anything our President has done.</div><div><br></div><div>With that being said, the ability to differentiate what the ability or capability of the President has been blurred by the actions of his Administration. By any FM on Leadership or Administration would mean accepting responsibility of everything going on under you regardless if you know the facts or not. Pleading ignorance is not a culpable excuse nor one that would be accepted in the civilian world. </div><div><br></div><div>I list the scandals that have occurred under President Obama simply because I feel bad for him having to constantly be thrown these curve balls, and it makes you wonder, whats next?</div><div><br></div><div>But for the record:</div><div>Benghazi</div><div>Fast and Furious</div><div>The IRS</div><div>The US Secret Service</div><div>The AP Wiretapping</div><div>Rosengate</div><div>The AG Holder's Perjury</div><div>The GSA Bash</div><div>US Department of Veterans Affairs 6 Million Dollar Disney Land</div><div>Solyndra</div><div>The American citizen being held for making a video about Islam</div><div>The relief of the IG s investigating personal friends of President Obama.</div><div><br></div><div>I am sure there are more but these are the major ones that have made the news lately.</div><div>If I was in his shoes, my attitude would not be one of ignorance, but one of, hey you guys are upset, I respect that, I will do everything possible to oversee an investigation as well as bring those responsible to be held accountable for those actions.</div><div><br></div><div>The majority of these I have seen ignorance being played rather than taking the brunt of the impact. "I get my news from the same place you do, CNN"</div><div><br></div><div>I just can t see how any of this is fostering good leadership. This gives you a little insight to how I view the President, and hate is a powerful. I do not hate him personally, I have heard he is quite the charming individual and a great person to meet face to face. I just dislike his actions and the resultant reactions to come afterwards.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

Response by PFC Peter Bohnhof made Mar 8 at 2014 1:11 PM

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We let service members now be openly perverted and deviant, in the name of "equality". We let senior government (IRS) officials plead the fifth amendment when being asked about predatory tactics within the agency and now we are actually arguing whether an active duty service member can exercise his first amendment rights, simply because there are those that still defend this POS sitting in the peoples house? Really? There are so MUCH other malfeasance going on with this clown that it is certainly arguable that he as actually an ENEMY of this country, and there is no sense wasting time articulating it here, it is TOO well documented. What we should be arguing is WHEN will the active duty take up arms and arrest this malevolent beast and begin to set things back to where they should be before it's too late.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2014 9:13 PM

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I find myself in situations where people will ask me my thoughts on the commander in chief. My typical response is ; ask me when he is no longer commander in chief

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2014 9:13 PM

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I find myself in situations where people will ask me my thoughts on the commander in chief. My typical response is ; ask me when he is no longer commander in chief

Response by SPC Scott Morey made Mar 13 at 2014 7:55 PM

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I have been out of the military for a few years now and am completely disgusted to what is happening to our troops. My personal opinion is that you must respect the office, and the decisions that come out of that oval office. However, from a personal perspective, you don't necessarily need to respect the person in the oval office. For example, I went to Iraqi Freedom and wasn't to keen on the evidence that there were WMDs over there (but how would I know). I respected Bush for a long time, but after while being overseas, I started to doubt his decision making, a little. I would follow that man to the end but didn't necessarily have to respect every decision that he had made.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Mar 20 at 2014 7:28 PM

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SFC John Gates, General Washington led our troops against British rule, to some that was questionable. President Lincoln led Federal Troops against the South he ended Slavery, that was questionable by some. He died for his beliefs. President Bush Jr, and Senior sent troops to Iraq because of the threat of chemical weapons but that was questionable, and all about oil resources. I guess the real question is? What side of questionable are you on. In my humble opinion this President is doing everything he can to work towards a more fairer society. I don't find that questionable but Admirable. What I do find highly questionable is the failure of Congress to pass anything that resembles fairness. Instead they would cut snap, diminish  Veterans benefits, turn social security into one time voucher program, fail to pass immigration reform,deny women the right to choose, and allow weapons to be sold to any one who asks, then deny Veterans and Civilians the help they need to look for a job in  an economy that is intentionally sabotaging the Presidents efforts because the wealthiest refuse to do their part.

Response by MSG Jj Bailey made Mar 21 at 2014 10:24 AM

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Honestly Specialist, a president does not run this country its the fab 13 who own the US Treasury dept...IE (Bankers) get ur history straight .... and this president is a fucktarded piece of Kenya born asshole , so if any of u guys are still in , then ur an idiot and a POG , for any real soldier to serve this piece of shit then u are a fool .... and if u buy into his Bullshit then it shows u how uneducated u really are .... and how blind u are ... its for the people not the fucking govt ......<div><br></div>

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2014 1:06 AM

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he has changed all sorts of laws to fit in his warped way of thinking. having said that, I believe since we have "freedom of speech" or the illusion of it anyway, I think especially because we're in the military, we should be allowed to voice our opinions.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Mar 24 at 2014 8:20 PM

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Disgraceful and Against all the regulations that were in place while I served. Yes you are an American Citizen and allowed to express your opinion in the voting booth but NO you are not allowed to express poliitical opinions other than that, and the oath I took was to the "President and the Officers Appointed over me". All is well and good once you retire or Complete your Service. Being I am retired now, I am free to say that I was a Compassionate Conservative in the day, voted for Regan and Dole. Now a Liberal Democrat that Campaigned and Voted for President Obama both times.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2014 12:02 PM

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What does the title "commander in chief " mean?  Is this the person who runs our nation(along with congress)? Is this the person in charge of our nations forces? Yes he is and its our obligation to "Squash" any remarks thats damaging to that title or position. Its our obligation not our right to put an end to the down-talking ASAP. Remember, its a title not the person we have to respect.

Response by MSG Jose Colon made Mar 25 at 2014 5:38 PM

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I started noticing with President Bush. The amount of people I corrected for doing it while in uniform al,most drove me nuts.<div><br></div><div>As long as you express your opinions in a respectful manner and not while in uniform, I believe it should be protected speech. </div><div><br></div><div>I disagreed with some of his policies, and I find myself disagreeing with a lot with the current administration's policies.</div><div><br></div><div>You get the government you elect. It is our responsibility to ensure our Nation gets the best government possible.</div>

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 25 at 2014 9:18 PM

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If one (the service member) was to say, "the Affordable Care Act" is a failure and does nothing to help American citizens and the Senators and Representatives who voted for it should resign", how many of you would consider this to be disrespect to the President? 

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2014 10:35 AM

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We raised our hands and openly volunteered to be subjected to whatever environment we are ordered to stand on or in. Does it upset me after all the deployments and lost brothers.  HELL YES!!!  We protect the rights to freedom of speech.  Until we are cleared and completely signed out and no longer wear the uniform our actions as Armed Servicemembers is to support and defend no matter what the objective or mission.  The people that complain about the politics and orders are not Servicemembers serving their country.  They are civilians in wolves clothing representing us in a poor manner.  MY answer to you is:  If these "WANNA BE's" dont like it then they shouldnt reenlist nor should they claim any benefits after they take their leave of the military at ETS time.  But i am sure they are sucking the marrow out of life; when it comes to them receiving free services after serving they sure wont complain about that.

Response by SGT James McCue made Mar 26 at 2014 3:45 PM

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In the National Guard, I notice a lot of troops do this. Rarely do I see anybody saying anything positive about Obama or any democrat. <div><br><div>These troops fail to understand that they swore to defend the constitution of both federal and state, and to obey the officers appointed over them, including the president when called into service.</div><div><br></div><div>However, they use the the their Guard status as a way to hide from that oath.</div><div><br></div><div>It does bother me. As troops, we do give up some of our rights to perform our duty. </div></div>

Response by CPO Ed Ball made Mar 26 at 2014 7:39 PM

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While I served we dealt with President Carter, then there was the First Lady Hillary Clinton attempting to throw military personnel out of the White House, then of course there was President Bill Clinton, fortunately things went uphill from there. Dealing with civilian leadership is a topic that will be dealt with through eternity throughout the ranks. You may not like the individuals, but you best respect their positions. Being retired we do our best to strengthen our civilian leadership through the ballot box, where it truly matters.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Mar 27 at 2014 9:09 AM

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<p>While on active duty for 22 years I served with and worked with all branches of service. In each branch I heard enlisted and officers alike gripe, moan and grown about their NCOIC, OIC, Commanders all the way up to and including the CinC. If you disagree  you're kidding yourself. Most military people tend to gripe about just about everything, from chow to the leadership within our ranks and band together to defend them when they are attacked from those on the outside. What gripes me more than the debate are those who drop the "I'm a professional and your're not' card, by denigrating those who disagree with your train of thought. I don't like this President and I earned the right to say so. The question asked on this link specifically challenged us to tell "How you feel about this?". If you don't like answers then check out the "How will you spend this Veterans Day?' discussion. </p><p> </p>

Response by SPC Gary Basom made Mar 29 at 2014 3:38 PM

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I stand by my opinion, I am not attacking the military, but I do question his goals as I am a civilian. Does my 15 years of service mean I didn't love the military. Heck no. I question him because he does not follow or abide by the Constitution. I swore an oath to uphold, protect and defend the US Constitution and I do not consider someone who bypasses it to do whatever the heck he wants a leader who has the good of the nation at heart. If I weren't in and the diabetes and auto accident hadn't forced a discharge I would have to do and follow his orders too. Pursuant to military law I am not bound to follow illegal or immoral orders. If forced to, it is my duty to report it per regulations of the UCMJ.

Response by TSgt Kevin Buccola made Mar 29 at 2014 4:27 PM

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<p>Respect the Office of the President of the United States - Period, you don't have to agree with but you must respect the Office.</p><p><br></p><p>You mention Freedom of Speech - Sorry that does not exist in the Military.</p>

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2014 7:16 PM

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I know the rules: don't talk bad about the president on any social media, or to anyone who might turn you in. You can't help but have your own opinions about the President, but follow the rules. That being said, I have never had a boss that I 100% agreed with, and I never will. Doesn't mean I can't express my views with people close to me. If you don't like the boss or the rules: move on. Become your own boss, then you can talk bad about yourself as much as you want.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2014 11:16 AM

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Bottom line.....As long as you are Active in the United States Military, you ARE NOT allowed to speak bad or bash the Commander in Chief.  He is appointed above us and in our chain of command.  It is made very clear that it is against the UCMJ to bad mouth the Commander in Chief whether you agree with him or not.  You may express your displeasure with policies or changes in those policies that are implemented, but not about the Commander in Chief direcly, as a person.

Response by PFC Nathaniel Culbertson made Apr 15 at 2014 6:35 PM

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it was no secret to those around me that i didn't and still don't like the guy in office, but it was understood that it was because i voted against him. he visited posted just after i started my post reintegration pass and my sgts asked if i was going to see, i replied with a negative, but then again i was on pass, had beer to drink and it was my first real day to myself after getting back.

Response by LT Ken Anderson made Apr 16 at 2014 4:35 PM

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I have been hearing this as well. Firstly, for us old salts rest assured that this is not an epidemic behavior in today's military. It is a small, extreme minority. Like most extreme views today. That minority is loud as they are verbal, but trust that they are the exception rather than the rule. Those who took an oath and think somehow that oath is put aside when they put on civvies...it's a flawed concept. The whole presumption that you can behave differently an obviate your alligience to your oath and as a result your country, when you change clothes is utterly ridiculous. Just quit. Resign...and cease from negating your oath and the uniform.

Response by CPO Ty Swartz made Apr 17 at 2014 10:39 PM

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While serving on active duty my job was to support and defend but as a retired Sailor my job is to have a voice for those who are currently serving on active duty who are protecting and serving and keeping their voice in check, minus the ability to vote for a better leader.<br><br>I am very vocal that this commander and Chief does not have the best interest of veterans, retired or active duty service members. His goal from the beginning has been to cut the ranks of the military, stop the wars and push progressive agendas. The most upsetting for me is I was a democrat until I worked for the Federal Government and saw first hand the illegal activities and bullying from political appointees. <br><br>I am not a Republican and still can't support the Democratic party because they constantly preaching intolerance and hate, unless you blindly believe in what they are offering. <br><br>When the military blindly follow leaders without question they are putting themselves into a situation of distrust. We are here to protect our nation from enemies foreign and domestic. Yes, a president that doesn't have enforce his duties and circumvents the constitution is a threat to our society. In our countries history I have only seen one other president create such distrust and division and that was Abraham Lincoln. He purposefully dominated the government, divided our country and ignored the congress. <br><br>Many people hail him as the man who freed the slaves but many don't realize that he is also the man that divided our country and directly supported the deaths of more than 450,000 Americans. His divisions created hate groups like the KKK and trounced all over state sovereignty. He really didn't free the slaves, in fact he waited as long as politically possible before he freed them and when he did it was conditional and then he supported not paying them for serving in the military and required separate units. He encouraged using those units as suicide squads and didn't properly train.<br><br>If we don't question our leaders who will. It is the job of all Americans to question leadership not because we can but our ethics and morals as a society require. We swore an oath but with that oath comes the responsibility of knowing the constitution and supporting and defending that paper not a blind allegiance to a president.<br>

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made Apr 17 at 2014 11:40 PM

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If you look at the UCMJ, it is actually illegal to talk like that.  However, for we that did our service and are done, we can now practice freedom of speech.

Response by Sgt Daniel V. made Apr 18 at 2014 4:20 AM

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Talk is cheap if you have a problem write your congressperson and vote. If you are active, there is a mission you are failing because your are complaining see your supervisor if unsure what that mission is. If veteran refer to my first statement. If you have a beef with the president personally say it to his face. 

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2014 6:51 PM

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No talking bad about the boss. Thats cut and dry. I have my personal opinons, about the POTUS, and other leaders. But while I still wear this uniform, I keep it personal. <br><br>Now when I retire..............

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 20 at 2014 10:17 PM

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I'd even be careful with stating facts in a non bias manner.  Many SMs will welcome it as disrespect or even racism as Oprah likes to say along with AG, Eric Holder.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Apr 25 at 2014 6:25 AM

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Quite simply while you wear the uniform speaking ill of the Commander in Chief is not allowed, period. My family has die-hard folks that stand on both sides of the political fence. I myself have always been pretty politically opinionated. However, while I wear this uniform I keep my opinions with regard to the president to myself. We get to speak with our vote.

Now, once you hang up the uniform it is a different story. I feel that once you have done your time, you have earned your voice. I am old school so I still believe a veteran should keep it professional. But they have earned the right to speak their mind.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2014 12:42 AM

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Not saying all soldiers, but I think soldiers that do speak negatively of the President fail to realize what all entails in being the President. Those soldiers who do disrespect the President are those who can't put their own views past the greater good. Moreover, its even sadder because they choose to wear a uniform to protect the freedoms we are afforded

Response by SFC Anthony Crute made Apr 27 at 2014 3:34 AM

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This response is to SSgt James Stanley, who wanted to know if those soldiers that spewed negativity towards our President while involved in an active combat operation, ever let me down in such a violent situation, well the answer to that question is, "I never let them down!" This is because their level of performance was about half of what it was supposed to be and not with the rest of us. That little negativity spawned a little group that operated within themselves with almost total disreguard for the rest of the task force. Yeah I, along with my other loyal battles had their backs and made up for their lack of detail that could have ruined the mission or got us all killed. With the loss of two of us, we all made it back with the foot prints of the President haters on our shoulders where we carried them through our tour! I guess performing that same mission was fine and with no questions asked or opposition, before President Obama got the seat.

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Response by MSgt Billy McDonough made Apr 27 at 2014 11:16 AM

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I know of a general officer that was prosecuted and forced to retire for this, it is a violation of the UCMJ to do this and you should keep such opinions to places where you have an expectation of privacy(i.e. in your home). On social media or any other public place you can expect to be held accountable for your actions.

Response by LTJG Benjamin Finnell made May 6 at 2014 6:13 PM

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While on Active Duty, I wholeheartedly agree with you. When one enlists or accepts a commission in the military, they accept certain limitations on their personal freedoms (grooming, travel, speech, etc.). Once that obligation is complete, those restrictions are lifted, and they have the same freedoms that any other American has. Whether or not the comments are tasteful or advisable is a different discussion.

Response by PO1 Joseph Feldhaus made May 9 at 2014 8:18 PM

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No member or affiliate of the armed forces should use there position to re-enforce any political agenda or push their beliefs on others. A statement made in uniform to any members of the press, civilians, or even your own subordinates may be seen as the opinion of the military in general. Off post away from the presence of your troops, it may be okay to speak your mind while not in uniform, but even then, it's a touchy subject.

Response by PO1 Clyde Fauria made May 11 at 2014 3:30 PM

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SPC Buck,
You get the amount of respect that you give!

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made May 16 at 2014 7:41 PM

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I also see a lot of posts on social networking sights that down talk the president. Personally, I do not see anything wrong for a person to respectfully and tastefully disagree with the president. I served in the Marines in the eighties when there was no social networking. However, this did not stop us from talking among ourselves. We followed the orders of those above us without question. We all have opinions, and I see nothing wrong in having a barracks discussion, as long as it is not a discussion to overthrow the president.
If we disagreed with an order that was given to us we could always request mass, but the order had to be carried out first, regardless.
As a veteran, I believe we have a bit more freedom to become politically active, however, it does reflect badly on the military if we behave in a way that is distasteful, disrespectful, or illegal. I have spoken out about presidents, but I have the highest regard for the office. Even though I have disagreements with presidential policies by more than one president, I have never called for an overthrow, other than vote them out.
For those actively serving then opinions should be kept among yourselves, and not put on a public networking site.
As I stated earlier, there was no such thing as social networking when I served. I would not go stand on a corner and bad mouth the commander in chief, and doing it on social networking is the same as. If in doubt, keep quiet.

Response by SSgt John Oldham made May 17 at 2014 8:10 PM

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SPC Buck,
I suspect you are now a veteran due to the V by your name, so my comments will be directed from a veterans point of view. We all at one point stood before an officer and raised our right hand, pledging before god and country to support and defend the Constitution and the order of those appointed above us. Never in my service, have I swayed from this pledge, nor do I expect you did.

I do agree that as military members we owe the Office of the President the honor it is due, and that there is a time and a place for comments to be made. As military members we are expected to give up a portion of our rights as they apply to Freedom of Speech. However once out of the military and no longer owing a commitment to active or reserve military service, we are considered citizens in the same right as any other man or woman who has served.

So in that respect I feel there is no injustice for someone who has served this country honorably in voicing their opinions about the man or woman who sits in the chair of Commander and Chief. This individual was elected into this role and is offered the full potential to understand the enormity of the job they take on and the consequences that come with it. If this individual cant handle the rhetoric from those who have served under their command, then I would question their ability to lead and manage this great nation.

In closing, and to directly answer your question there is a time and place when in service of our nation, and the most effective way for us to voice that opinion is in our privilege to vote every four years and as dictated by local and state elections.

Response by SGT Kevin Smith made May 21 at 2014 11:48 PM

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I firmly believe in Freedom of Speech. That is what this great Country was founded on. That said, I also feel that a certain decorum is required while in Uniform. As a private Citizen, I can have my beliefs and I make those beliefs known, at the ballot box. Now as a new Retiree, I hope I can speak my mind without fear of retribution. If it is, then it makes us no better than Valenzuela or China or Russia. But differing opinions and expressing those opinions has been and is what makes this Country great.

Response by 1LT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2014 12:09 PM

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I'm disappointed that this thread has devolved into a forum for everyone to voice their disdain for the supposed "unconstitutional" actions of our commander-in-chief. The question was, is it appropriate for anyone to be voicing those opinions in our ranks? And the answer is most definitely no. In fact, it isn't appropriate for us to be voicing any political opinions whatsoever within the ranks - someone praising the President can offend someone just as easily as someone criticizing them.

We aren't academics, legal scholars, political pundits, or otherwise, and that is pretty clear by a lot of the comments here. SGM Patterson was spot-on when he said that there seems to be a lot of ignorance in understanding the constitution or the government, because the office of the President is not that of a king - there are two other branches of our government, one of which is arguably much more powerful than the executive. Blaming all of the problems facing our country and military on the commander-in-chief while in uniform is not just inappropriate, it's factually wrong.

Lastly, saying "I have the utmost respect for the office of the commander-in-chief BUT..." is sort of like saying "I'm totally not a racist BUT..." - prefacing it with that sort of statement doesn't make what you're about to say any less disrespectful.

Veterans, this does not apply to you. Rock on and make your voices heard.

Response by MSgt Lancia Stewart made Jun 5 at 2014 1:02 AM

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As a retiree who served when Clinton was in office, this is not new. Others of "this age" may remember how it became a public (i.e. outside regular channels) order, addressed in newspapers and in the ranks. The resentment within the military was loud and getting stronger.

That being said, and to sound like a broken record, we signed up without someone forcing us. However, it's not necessarily a bad thing to be critical of leadership AS LONG AS you do the work you voluntarily agreed upon. Whining and bitching about the President, especially if you're simply a
Mouthpiece of Malcontent, makes you a jackass. Investigate everything, be conscious of logos vs pathos in someone's arguments, and again... You signed up. There hasn't been a century yet, since our founding, we haven't been in some war or conflict. Do research - you'd be surprised how much of the same has been done by previous Presidents and their administrations.

Speak with your vote, discuss the topics, and serve honorably.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2014 12:26 AM

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I am a Veteran of the US Air Force. I will obey ANY orders of the Commander and Chief, but as long as they are LAWFUL and as long as the President has an idea as to how the military works. I RESPECT THE OFFICE of the PRESIDENT of the United States. I just do not respect some of the men that have been president. 2 of the last 4 have either manipulated or abused the office. One simple just thinks he is a king another thought morals were a joke. We have in the past and now are considered a joke. How can we as Americans be taken seriously if our Leaders are not serious leaders and do not understand what we do. the following quote from the movie "A Few Good Men." sums up my feelings on the issue.

"Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

Response by SSgt Brian Newton made Jun 26 at 2014 11:29 AM

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Okay, I can't stand listening to this anymore. I am a vet. so I'm free to say anything I darn well please. So here let me say for those serving that feel that they can't say anything in public. This President has thrown the Military under the bus at every chance he has had. Benghazi, the VA Scandal, the trading of a deserter for 5 HVT's. I have always had respect for our Commanders in Chief, however, if he was a field officer or unit commander, the unit moral would be tanked and an up rising to oust him would begin.

Response by 1LT Shawn McCarthy made Jun 26 at 2014 10:51 PM

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This president is a disgrace to the position.
He has used the military as a means to score political points.
I never did it while physically in uniform, and I would never do it while acting in a military capacity, but we still have the freedom to speak out against a president who is against virtually everything we stand for.

Response by SFC Luis Austin made Jul 2 at 2014 12:13 PM

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I've read many of the answers to this question and quite frankly, I am appalled as to how many Senior NCOs and Officers ascribe to the idea of bashing the President of the United States. I would like to know how many would stand for your own soldiers talking about you in that manner in public. You wouldn't have it. Most of you sound like privates. Here is the bottom line, you have a Commander in Chief. He is in Charge, unless what he is asking you to do is illegal or immoral, shut up and execute. That is what you would tell a whining new recruit, so follow. I can't even belief this is even a question...

Response by CPT Wendy Ormond made Jul 2 at 2014 8:52 PM

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United we stand , Divided we fall--think about it. Old but sound advice. Whether you agree with everything a US President does or says is up to you, but publicly speaking while in uniform- remember it is not about YOU. I realize that you may be part of the so called "Me" generation, yet you should have learned to go beyond that when you finished basic training.

Keep it simple. He was elected by the taxpayers that we took an oath to defend. The system has its imperfections, both political and military, but in the end or ends, we volunteered to serve and the elected President is the elected leader of the USA. Every four years we have to opportunity to elect someone else, and the winner may be who we voted for or not....just my two cents worth....

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Jul 3 at 2014 1:04 PM

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Now it's six months later. The POTUS is now committing mass child abuse on our southern border. Is it alright to bash him now.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Jul 8 at 2014 8:40 AM

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I do not think that, as serving members, we have the right to speak out. Of course, once you leave the uniform behind its a whole other story, but I do know that we loose a few things by serving, and freedom of speech is one of those things.
It is not as if we become less contentious or that we suddenly have lobotomies and begin agreeing with each directive, but what we do become is "Government property" held by certain restrictions that many of us never notice, but the thing is, we do loose the right to free speech, among other things, for stepping up and filling the roles we choose to fill.
As to speaking out once you have left the military, be it retired or simply seperated, I am not sure they could actually keep us from voicing out beliefs after that, no matter the regulations, because we've built up a lot of views during our years, and I am not sure anything this side of death could keep us from speaking out! Of course, I could be seriously off base here... but that's just my view...

Response by PO2 Mark Voris made Jul 9 at 2014 12:29 PM

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The problem we have is he isn't "acting" as a commander. He subverts our Constitution and is endangering this nation. I respect the position but don't repect the person.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2014 1:17 PM

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WOW I don't think I've seen so many down votes one one thread before.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2014 2:22 PM

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The President of the United States is the Commander-in-Chief, period. I signed the dotted line, it does not matter if I agree with their stance on issues. I make a point not to discuss politics/hot button issues when in uniform or when asked "as a service member" what I think about an issue.
If I were to go on a social media platform and post disrespectful comments about my civilian employer, I should be prepared for the consequences that may result from them. Personally I would like to see each of us holding one another more accountable. Some may disagree, but I would say free speech is an ideal we fully defend but do not fully enjoy. I cannot walk up to my squad leader and exercise free speech, so can I really expect the President to be any different?
We need to reinforce the idea that on duty and off we are soldiers, should act accordingly and provide the example of respect regardless of agreement..

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2014 4:03 PM

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I see nothing wrong with expressing disagreement with the Commander in Chief, but making disparaging remarks against him is not only a violation of the UCMJ, but it undermines his ability to command. Imagine yourself trashing your Company Commander in a public forum. You know you're going to get spanked for it. This is the Commander in Chief we're talking about here, the tip top of your chain of command. Why should it be any different, if not more severe?

Of course freedom of speech plays a part, but just like any job, if you're intent on being destructive and then talk down to your boss, he's going to fire you. It's a team effort and that kind of unprofessionalism just doesn't make the cut.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2014 4:14 PM

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I'd like to point out that you were downvoted 13 times for asking a question. That's just not cool. Are we trying to discourage discussion here?

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 10 at 2014 8:48 PM

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Lets rearrange the words so the truth comes out - President targeting our veterans and soldiers.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Jul 10 at 2014 10:27 PM

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I served under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton, while in Uniform I was A-political, I took an oath to obey the orders of the officers appointed over me. When I retired the gloves are off. I really don't think you lose your right to free speech while in the military, I think that you cannot portray it as being a military position (you cannot attend a political function in Uniform, but you as a citizen have every right to voice your opinion as a citizen

Response by SPC Brian Barkley made Jul 12 at 2014 2:43 AM

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We took an Oath to protect our Constitution from all enemy's - Foreign and Domestic .

Response by GySgt Derek Ward made Jul 14 at 2014 10:21 PM

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What we fail to realize, is why we have different branches of government, no one man has all the power. While he is the President, we have Congress to help make right decisions. Like I was always taught, don"t bring a complaint without a solution, the President suppose to have people to help, but it seems, He is on his own. Even our Leaders in the military, don"t always make the best decision, and they have people to consult. It"s not good for morale to focus on these things say what needs to be said and move on.

Response by SPC George Clarke made Jul 15 at 2014 7:45 AM

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Examine may true reasons for speaking the way I do!? Let me guess SPC Young, you just about called me a racist. Am I right? As I stated in earlier comments, I did not like Bush. I understand why people feel the way they do about Iraq but how do you feel about Afghanistan? Do you think we should not have retaliated because of what happened on 9-11-01 ? Oh yea and by the way, the enemies your King supplied weapons to now joined the ISIS in Iraq. What's the excuse for that? Last time I read up on it, that equals TREASON. Supplying weapons to the enemy. That should also answer your question on how the current POTUS. Has hurt the military. Oh! And yes I do address him by the title he holds, POTUS means President of The United States. Have a good day.

Response by SSgt Gregory Guina made Sep 15 at 2014 2:35 AM

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I am not sure if the current POTUS is liked less now than previous presidents but it is much easier for someone to express their opinion on him. I would say that is one of the major downfalls of social media.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 15 at 2014 3:10 AM

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Freedom of speech isn't necessarily in full effect until you finally hang up the uniform.

Response by CPT Endre Barath made Sep 15 at 2014 3:36 AM

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SGT (verity to see) your comment is very valid, I agree with the message. On a side note...If you study history you will discover that there were numerous Presidents who were not liked by most military members from E-1 to Four Star General level...ironically and sadly with good reason.

When Presidents do not look out for the best interest of the country, the military and those who have sworn to uphold the laws see that the President intentionally or unintentionally disrespecting and or not following the laws or the spirit of the law or they just being inconsiderate it becomes challenging to respect such a person.

Leadership is earned not demanded...as the laws are today you are correct Active Duty personnel do not have the privilege to speak out against the President... I am with you 100 per cent about following the rules...

On a side note it would be nice if the politicians would follow the laws and rules as well...

Response by SPC David S. made Sep 15 at 2014 1:33 PM

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POTUS should be respected however the actions or the results of his actions should be open to fair debate.

Response by 1SG Michael Minton made Sep 16 at 2014 11:30 AM

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During my career in the miltary, i did not know one soldiers political preference, we all knew which presidents supported and cared about the military and which ones despised the military and did nothing for us. but even the ones that shit on the military got the respect due to their position as commander in chief. my own opinion is while your on active duty, keep your opinions to your self about the POTUS. For one, if you say the wrong thing around the wrong people, your career will come to a end (seen it happen to AF E-7 at clinton rally, just made comment over heard by secret service). just express your opinion on election day. now once you retire and are not under the command of the POTUS anymore, you can say what ever you want other then threats. I didnt have time to worry about the POTUS because i wasnt going to change anything anyways, leave politics out of your military life while on active duty.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2014 3:11 PM

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I feel for the SM's here on RP who are unable to speak out without reprisal. Fortunately, I'm a V. Respect is earned and he hasn't earned diddly squat. I just want him gone. Jan 2017 can't get here fast enough.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 6:54 PM

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As members of the military, we must remember to keep what we believe to ourselves, and not conduct ourselves in a manner contrary to the values that we espouse. Why we may not agree with the person, we respect the office, and serve flawlessly. We serve to protect the Constitution of the United States and the president.

Response by SGT Nicholas Baum made Dec 13 at 2014 9:30 PM

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As military personnel we took an oath to support and defend the constitution and obey the orders of its elected officials. Personal feelings about those officials are meaningless when it comes to performing our duties. Right or wrong, like them or not, they were ELECTED by the citizens of our nation, which includes the armed forces. The office and the person elected to it must be respected by the military and veterans alike, regardless of the views held by the population as a whole. We as sevice men and women are the anchor that keeps the water from being spoiled by those that dont or choose not to understand that fact. Even when the uniform comes off and your time in the military is over, we still wear the uniform as veterans. Do yourself and your country a favor, and dont ever forget what you took an oath to protect and defend.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Dec 13 at 2014 10:58 PM

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When i was active duty i kept my opinion of the President to my self and to close friends. Because while on AD he was my Boss and to talk bad about him in front of junior troops is not right and breaks good order and discipline. Now that i am a Veteran i Can openly disagree and Make fun of the President if i like. I live in a country where i have that right. I dont not threaten his life or his family (that is wrong on so many levels). So yes when i hear a service memeber doing this it erks me but when it is a civilian or veteran it is there right to do so.

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 13 at 2014 11:02 PM

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If you're in uniform you are way out of line. If you're a veteran, well you've earned that right to talk about whoever you want. Beterans don't fall under the UCMJ anymore, active duty/NG/and reserves do.

Response by SGT Timothy Byrd made Dec 16 at 2014 5:21 PM

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SFC M. Parker ,

Your incorrect with your statement that the President decisions have been found constitutional. Here is an exact ruling from the Supreme Court contradicting your statement. "The Supreme Court ruled unanimously that President Obama exceeded his "constitutional authority" in making high-level government appointments in 2012 when he made appointments to the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) when he declared the Senate to be in recess and unable to act on the nominations ." I myself no longer being in the military can say that I don't care for the individual that is currently in office & can't wait for his dictatorship actions to come to an end.

Response by SSG Pascal Blake made Dec 16 at 2014 9:45 PM

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As the commander in chief, the president is the supreme commander to the military. No matter what actions he or she takes, it is not for a service member to judge, however everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As a member of our armed forces, all personnel much obey the orders of those appointed over them and sustain a high level of professionalism at all times.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 9:58 PM

2014-12-16T21:58:03-05:00

Soldiers shouldn't say anything about the President they wouldn't say to the President. That would take care of most of the issue right there. The rest would fall into place if we remain professional and attack actions and not ideas or character and use the system as it is intended. Vote out, impeach, write letters, solicit public consensus, etc.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:53 PM

2014-12-17T12:53:15-05:00

Honestly, the guy never stood a chance from the jump. No matter what he does there is always someone criticising. Funny though......he got elected twice. I hope everyone who had an opinion on this voted :) Now.....to the issue at hand. I respect him as my commander in chief as well as the POTUS but even if I didnt like anything about him I dont feel its right to openly criticize him. And what message are you showing to your Soldiers......that its ok degrade and criticize your leadership? Its very unprofessional. If you're currently military.....guess what......hes your boss. Dont bite the hands that feed you.

Response by SFC Ian Lumgair made Jan 7 at 2015 11:20 AM

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We are members of the United States Armed services. POTUS is our Commander In Chief. With that in mind, somehow, some way, we have forgotten that he is just a citizen of the United States. No more no less that means his behavior and actions are subject to our critique. In fact as an elected official in this republic he is first and foremost subject to the laws that govern his office. Two he is accountable for his actions to the people that elect him. He is accountable via, the functions of the election, and he is accountable to the oversight critique / criticism of the people that elected him. Have we forgotten that? Yes. We are service members in the military that means that we are professional and courteous, but, first and foremost we are Citizens of this Republic. I keep seeing the argument that you would not say that too or about your Commander, SNCO ext. WRONG!!!! They are governed by regulations just like POTUS is constrained by the Constitution, If you do not have the integrity to speak up when a SM (no matter the rank) violates a regulation you have no right to wear that uniform, or when the President or an another elected official violates exceeds office or you just simply philosophically do not agree with what they are doing you just don't have the right to be professional, you are required to make your voice heard. You know what? If that individual in whatever office they occupy, in or out of the service if they don't like it. here is a great quote for them
If he / she "can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen." Harry S Truman

Response by SPC Brandon Martinez made Jan 8 at 2015 6:21 PM

2015-01-08T18:21:23-05:00

As a veteran I'm no longer under contract. I have my rights again and that includes freedom of speech. I'd never disrespect the position or try anything crazy. But if I feel that the person sitting in office is disrespecting his position I'll say something

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Jan 8 at 2015 9:31 PM

2015-01-08T21:31:29-05:00

it's interesting to see history where every CIC (even George Washington) was criticized for something. Lincoln, both Roosevelts, etc were are considered great Presidents but always had their critics. I am not comparing any President with each other, but if you don't have some critics, in my opinion you are not doing the right thing. You can't please everyone, and anyone who tries will end up pleasing no one. Colin Powell once said "Being responsible means pissing people off." I totally agree with that.

Serving in the past as Chairman of a State Republican Party brought new light in how people think of President Obama. While I don't agree with President Obama on a lot of his policies, I respect the position and the fact that he is doing the best he can. To many I know they believe his best isn't good enough. I understand that but always believe that we need to do what we can to separate the person from the actions.

Now coming back to the conversation at hand, I believe when we swear allegiance to the Constitution and CIC, we have a certain obligation to maintain our professionalism. We give up some rights when we join. That is part of the privilege of being a SM. We work for him and at the end of the day need to follow his commands. I remember a scene in Band of Brothers where the 1SG told a PSG to lay off talking bad about the CO (even though he wasn't doing a good job) because it was contagious and would only hurt morale in the end.

If we disagree, I think we should do it in a way where we can do it more professionally and in a way we would want someone to express their disagreement with us. I travel a lot, and I am very proud of our country. When someone from another country criticizes us I am protective regardless of who is in office. I hope we all are our proud of our country!

Response by SSG Pascal Blake made Jan 21 at 2015 1:13 PM

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I feel that everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is however, the manner in which it is displayed. You as an individual have every right to disagree, pay no attention to, or dislike the commander in chief. However, as an active duty service member, it is essential to maintain professionalism at all times. Keep your thoughts to yourself or within a realm so as to not compromise your career. As a veteran, we are still a part of the brotherhood and can have a louder voice on expressing our opinions without fear of persecution.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 24 at 2015 11:12 PM

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CPL Paul B., here are President Theodore Roosevelt's thoughts on the need for truth in regards to the presidency. He made this statement to the Kansas City Star newspaper in the last year of his life, so his comments, in my opinion, were directed to the general public, a civilian population. They are nonetheless, timeless in their application:
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." SSgt Private RallyPoint Member SFC Jeff L. SFC Ian Lumgair

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Jan 24 at 2015 11:40 PM

2015-01-24T23:40:27-05:00

If I remember correctly, the oath I took was to obey the President's orders, NOT to disagree, like, respect, or to speak my opinion of him. If I were in uniform, I do believe I might tone down my opinion slightly only because I might feel a bit unconfortable because I would not want my opinion to reflect on any branch of the service that others might thing is a representation or opinion of that branch because of the uniform I am wearing.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 11:16 AM

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You can feel any way you want about how vets voice their opinion of the POTUS. The fact will ALWAYS be that veterans have an EARNED right to voice their dissent regardless of the party of the person occupying the Oval Office.

Active members have a right to voice their opinions, however, there is a thin and often obscured line between respectful disagreement and insubordination. One currently wearing the uniform might be better off waiting until they've fulfilled their service obligation and taken the uniform off.

Response by SFC Jeff L. made Jun 25 at 2015 4:36 PM

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Why? Is anyone in public service above criticism? Past presidents certainly have gotten their fair share of criticism by servicemembers. Ever hear of an O-3 getting criticized by his subordinates? Or a Squad/Platoon Sergeant? The fact is that CinC is a leadership position, and that person's judgement and decisions are open to scrutiny, and, sometimes, to criticism. Servicemembers follow (lawful) orders. Sometimes they do it gleefully, sometimes grumbling all the way.

The only line that should be drawn is between criticizing him personally and criticizing his judgement, conduct, decisions. Personal attacks are simply bad form.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2015 9:39 AM

2015-10-18T09:39:06-04:00

For as long as I can remember the president of the United States has been bad mouthed by those who disagree with him. It matters not what party he is from. At the lunch table in a retirement home a female said and I quote "Someone ought to shoot Bush." I thought that crossed a line and told her so in a voice that would make a DI proud.

Is it right? No. Is it going to change? No.

The interesting thing to me is those who object always say why is this president being maligned? Usually it is the same people that maligned the last president of the other party.

The only thing that can stop this is for us to quit being so one sided in our views and for us to respect not demonise those who have an opposing view.

Will I see this in my lifetime? I seriously doubt it. But, I truly wish we could at least make some progress.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Oct 18 at 2015 9:44 AM

2015-10-18T09:44:52-04:00

I have been critical of Obama's policies & think he came into office fully unprepared and was not served well by his staff.. I also read comments by Bob Woodward, Bob Gates and Leon Panetta who wrote that in his term he was misguided and naïve. He also tried to please Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Valerie Jarret and Susan Rice and that was a big mistake. Basically he was elected to a job that was way above his level of expertise and experience.

However when I was on active duty 1953 - 1961 we had Ike and JFK as our Commanders in Chief and I thought they were excellent Commanders of the Armed Forces. Back in that time I never had a critical thought about either men..

Response by SPC Andre Badeaux made Oct 22 at 2015 7:13 PM

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Active Soldiers don't have to like the man but should always respect the rank and when it comes to veterans who are no longer enlisted or commissioned can say whatever is on their mind without consequence from rules and regulations.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2015 12:53 AM

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No matter how you feel, he is the commander and chief and as an NCO you must support your leaders to set a good example for subordinates. If you speak bad about a leader, it will show a lack of confidence throughout the chain of command.

Response by LTC Ben Clark made Oct 23 at 2015 10:45 AM

2015-10-23T10:45:31-04:00

I think it two different groups with different criteria being lumped together here. Active duty personnel and current reserve/national guard members fall under the Commander In Chief and public remarks disparaging him would be just like disparaging remarks about anyone else in your chain of command. Supporting can also be inappropriate in uniform. However, retirees/other vets, no longer are in that chain of command and may disparage or support to their heart's content.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Oct 28 at 2015 11:59 PM

2015-10-28T23:59:07-04:00

I'm retired. I don't like his policies. And I don't like being called a racist from his minions in the media. And I don't like how he plays the victim and the race card.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Oct 24 at 2021 1:51 PM

2021-10-24T13:51:39-04:00

The military is supposed to be apolitical for a reason and has regulations that require it. Doesn't matter what party you may align with, while in the military keep your mouth closed and avoid any activities that are political in nature. When you get out you can go wild with politics if you wish, but not sure why anyone wants to.

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Oct 24 at 2021 4:28 PM

2021-10-24T16:28:41-04:00

No problem. I criticize Trump everyday. What I can't deal with is those who support Trump's treason.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 24 at 2021 4:30 PM

2021-10-24T16:30:12-04:00

Servicemembers clearly need to be aware of the regulations surrounding the issue.
Veterans are civilians, they can do whatever they want, they're irrelevant.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2021 5:18 PM

2021-10-24T17:18:45-04:00

As a veteran you should be able to practice being an American citizen. As a service member keep your damn options to yourself. You shouldn’t be speaking on your Command in Chief. For those saying it’s my right as an American welcome to reality once you signed that contract many of them rights go away. If you don’t like it well ETS/Retire/GTFO

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Oct 24 at 2021 8:52 PM

2021-10-24T20:52:10-04:00

What’s your opinion of the 1st Amendment?

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Oct 25 at 2021 9:07 AM

2021-10-25T09:07:59-04:00

We still have an obligation to the nation that takes precedence to our oath or anything else I will never support any dictator who is emplaced by concealed backroom maneuvering like the fascist GOP tried in the last election. Anyone with more than the 1 dead braincell requirement to be a trumpkin knows how hard Pence actually tried to to thwart the will of the people. Anyone who supports the far right agenda is no longer fit to have the honor of being called an American. And now they also want to get rid of our secret ballot.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Oct 25 at 2021 10:42 AM

2021-10-25T10:42:43-04:00

Two separate issues here. Veterans have complete protection under the First Amendment to the Constitution. They are free to say or write what they want about the President and other elected or appointed officials. Actual threats against the President will be investigated and should be avoided.

Active duty military members and civilian employees have limited free speech as a consequence of their employment. If they violate law or regulations concerning respecting the Commander in Chief or political activity then they should be prosecuted or appropriate personnel action taken.

It’s really that simple!

Response by PO2 Russell "Russ" Lincoln made Oct 25 at 2021 1:34 PM

2021-10-25T13:34:43-04:00

CPL Paul B. being a veteran I enjoy my rights especially freedom of speech. If I wish to criticize our government or governmental personnel I will. That's one of the thigs I served for.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Oct 25 at 2021 2:44 PM

2021-10-25T14:44:56-04:00

It's been 50 years since I was in the Army. I had to bite my tongue back then but now I can and will say what I please. It is not a democrat or republican issue. When it is obvious that the current president is incapable of the office, Damn well I will complain. That's the good thing about this country, To some degree we still have freedom of speech. After all he isn't a king although sometimes he acts like he is

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Oct 25 at 2021 5:17 PM

2021-10-25T17:17:43-04:00

This should never happen in public. Our commander in-chief deserves respect, regardless how you feel.

Response by SPC John Stout made Oct 25 at 2021 8:18 PM

2021-10-25T20:18:50-04:00

I don't have a problem with it

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Nov 20 at 2021 9:22 PM

2021-11-20T21:22:54-05:00

It depends,
If they are Criticizing the President in Uniform, to Push a political Policy and agenda absolutely not.
If it just a bunch of Military Members ie: Friends sitting around Shooting the BS, just among themselves, talking about the Political issues of the day, no Civilians around, no Big deal.
No one in Uniform can go to a Political Rally to push the democratic, Republican , Libertarian, Etc, pollical policy's and agenda, you can go in Civilian clothing, You can never give the Impression, Your Views are the Views of the United States Military .
we give up a lot of are rights, but not all of them, we just have to be aware of are Surroundings, when we express are thoughts and Opinions, you have to make it very clear to Junior Military Members that when you are Expressing your thoughts and Opinions, that they are not the Military, they are just yours, and your thoughts and Opinions do not have to be there thoughts and Opinions. this is America, you do not have to agree on every issue , do not have to like every Commander and Chief, we just have to Follow all Constitutional, Legal Orders.

Response by MSG Charles Kaiser made Nov 30 at 2021 8:18 PM

2021-11-30T20:18:39-05:00

Freedom

Response by SFC Charles Diers made Nov 30 at 2021 8:31 PM

2021-11-30T20:31:14-05:00

USARMY 74-95 Honestly the subject and criticizing others and politics very rarely came up unless a pay increase was in the equation, safety and regulations. Although with social media literally at hand 24/7 nowadays it’s quick, easy and convenient to share an opinion, criticize and or narratives about anything. Much of the time from the safety of our home although often not very wise and almost instantly comes with consequences. ESSAYONS.

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Nov 30 at 2021 8:53 PM

2021-11-30T20:53:51-05:00

As long as they are not in uniform, on duty, or representing their official capacity, I do not think about it at all. It is their right to do so.

Response by Sgt Richard Blankenship made Nov 30 at 2021 9:50 PM

2021-11-30T21:50:36-05:00

Our Commander in Chief is pushing America towards a civil war, I just pray that our Groups realize that he works for the American people and Our Troops owe their loyalty to the American people not the president

Response by SSgt Raymond Buker made Nov 30 at 2021 9:56 PM

2021-11-30T21:56:52-05:00

Soldiers: I don't like it. In the face of what happened in Afghanistan I completely understand their pain. I guess you give up your Freedom of Speech when you sign up to defend your country. Just because a President betrays and abuses the Soldiers doesn't mean they can do the same.

As a Veteran, I am no longer under the thumb, when I see a President betray his oath of office and abuse his authority, I have a duty to give voice to that. When he undertakes a mission to set aside the Constitution and form a one party government discarding the provisions of the Bill of Rights in order to promote his personal aggrandizement, I am no longer in the military. I will resist him. As a citizen, the Constitution defines my obligation, not the UCMJ.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

When a President , Senator, Congressperson decides to attack the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. He has become a domestic enemy of that which I have sworn to protect.

If Benedict Arnold was elected President, would you follow his orders? Following orders is no longer an excuse for doing evil... I thought Lt Calley proved that in Vietnam.

Response by PFC John Carlen Jr made Nov 30 at 2021 10:08 PM

2021-11-30T22:08:14-05:00

I supported all presidents except for the ones who claimed election fraud and incited a racist insurrection

Response by Sgt Ed Bowers made Dec 1 at 2021 9:16 AM

2021-12-01T09:16:59-05:00

I have mixed feelings on this question. Generally any serving member of the military should not challenge once a directive is put out. But there has to be some reasonable mechanism to allow dissent to be heard and acted upon. The most glaring example lately was the pull out from Afghanistan. It was a disaster to be kind to the man who made that very stupid decision.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Dec 2 at 2021 5:29 AM

2021-12-02T05:29:25-05:00

If you are on active duty it should be considered different then being a veteran. On active duty he is your commander in chief as a veteran he is no longer that. He is the President but I don't like the guy and didn't like the last one either. I believe the lgbtq policies and guidelines are totally unconstitutional and only meant to appease allies in ways we never should.

Response by CPT Jeffrey Goldfarb made Dec 2 at 2021 12:20 PM

2021-12-02T12:20:39-05:00

Gee, the last Commander in Chief was robustly ridiculed by elected officials. He was subjected to lies, innuendo and outright hostility; no one seemed to whine about THAT. This is still a free country; and calling an incompetent son of a bitch an incompetent son of a bitch is still a protected right (in a veteran's case, it is a DUTY.).

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Dec 2 at 2021 2:28 PM

2021-12-02T14:28:14-05:00

I base my criticism based on performance, take a look at our Afghanistan exit and ask yourself are you proud of how the President handled it. If you answer NO then you have just criticized him. You're saying I know better. I haven't met or even heard of a President that didn't receive some. My philosophy is if you LIE to me I can criticize you. All you have to do is follow orders you don't have to like the person giving them!!! GO BRANDON!!!!!

Response by SSG Jim Schimon made Dec 2 at 2021 10:26 PM

2021-12-02T22:26:06-05:00

As long as you are wearing the uniform You keep your mouth shut. But if you are not on active status . Say what you want.It does not matter who Obama Trump or Biden .The solders boss at the top is the president .But the national Guard is the governor Of there state unless the Governor releases the to the Feds and then You must keep the mouth shut.

Response by SSG Jim Schimon made Dec 2 at 2021 10:30 PM

2021-12-02T22:30:55-05:00

If you bad mouth your boss in the civilian live you can and more than likely will be fired, So why would this be any different for a solder .

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Dec 3 at 2021 6:05 AM

2021-12-03T06:05:15-05:00

Commander in Chief is the title. Respect the office, no matter who occupies it. Watching the political division and vitriol of the last 6 years is depressing.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Dec 3 at 2021 6:38 AM

2021-12-03T06:38:49-05:00

1st amendment right......FIRST right.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Dec 3 at 2021 10:19 AM

2021-12-03T10:19:27-05:00

Among our peers is a normal occurrence, but he/she is the CIC no matter what you think. Should not let your subordinates or civilians hear you.

Response by SFC Dan Watkins made Dec 3 at 2021 11:30 AM

2021-12-03T11:30:28-05:00

1st Amendment allows American citizens to speak what's on their minds. Never have I heard that ANYONE is exempt from that!

Response by PFC Laurie Doelle made Dec 3 at 2021 12:46 PM

2021-12-03T12:46:31-05:00

This country was built on certain principals. One being free speech, so I'm all for people speaking out, WITH RESPECT, (cause their still our president), and voicing their options.

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Dec 5 at 2021 8:43 PM

2021-12-05T20:43:36-05:00

Personally, I question their (POTUS) decisions or policies but respect their position as POTUS. I don’t have to like them or what they’re doing as long as they don’t violate any provision of the Constitution as that is the highest law in the land.

Response by PFC William Mower made Dec 6 at 2021 12:41 PM

2021-12-06T12:41:08-05:00

They earned the right through their service, but they do have to follow orders unless the order is unconstitutional

Response by CPO James McGachey made Dec 7 at 2021 5:42 AM

2021-12-07T05:42:48-05:00

Trump won. At this point in time we have a sham president.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Dec 7 at 2021 7:25 AM

2021-12-07T07:25:51-05:00

1. Political discussion is never appropriate in uniform and in public.
2. If you wish to discuss politics with a member of our armed forces in private, make sure it stays private.
Be worthy of their friendship and trust.
3. Veterans are no longer restrained.
They are free to say what they want when they wish, outside of threats of violence.

Response by SMSgt James Chandler made Dec 8 at 2021 2:10 PM

2021-12-08T14:10:01-05:00

Article 88 only applies to commissioned officers.

Response by SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr. made Dec 15 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-12-15T16:32:23-05:00

Since this is about politics I'm going to answer from a political mindset. First I'm retired and therefore I don't work for that peice of demorat libtard garbage. I would even if I were still serving today because I would refuse to get the covid vaccine. I would refuse for many reasons but first and foremost because it's my right. Don't think so? Why did I have the option to refuse the smallpox vaccine in 2003 before going to to Iraq? People have been duped with lies and fear and they have swallowed it hook line and sinker. Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, and the lot are garbage and traitors to this country and its people. They don't deserve the respect of the office they hold. Like it, don't like it, I don't really care. That is my opinion based on my First amendment right.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Dec 19 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-12-19T18:34:45-05:00

This is what makes america great. No matter where you are or what your branch of service is we are all entitled to an opinion. As long as its an opinion or disprovement and thats how far it goes then thats how far it goes.

Response by Cpl Alex Moore made Dec 27 at 2021 12:53 PM

2021-12-27T12:53:29-05:00

When on active duty, or reserve for that matter, it is NEVER appropriate. He is the Commander in Chief period. He is your superior. There is no freedom of speech in the military and everything has consequences.

As a civilian, you served so as long as your criticism is thoughtful, not just bashing and crudeness for the sake of it, then feel free that is what freedom of speech is. I hate people just attacking to attack. If you don't like something you better have a reasonable alternative otherwise, shut up and sit down, nobody wants to hear it. There are paticular, past leaders who did this and, quite frankly, it just makes you a horrible human being.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2021 3:39 PM

2021-12-28T15:39:47-05:00

Vets... couldn't care less.
Current troops... personally, I don't care. But professionally, I'm required to care.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2021 4:05 PM

2021-12-28T16:05:33-05:00

We are a Republic and we have Freedom of speech so I do not have a problem if they are telling the truth. He is a hot mess and there is no way he was really elected either. Anyone that does not like that can sit on it.

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made Dec 28 at 2021 5:46 PM

2021-12-28T17:46:03-05:00

Should be talking down woke generals as well!

Response by CPT David Medley made Dec 28 at 2021 6:40 PM

2021-12-28T18:40:22-05:00

Justified ! He and his Administration ask for what is said !

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Dec 28 at 2021 6:54 PM

2021-12-28T18:54:30-05:00

I realise that while on active duty one has to be careful what they say about the SOB Biden. But as a civilion for over 50 years I'll say whatever I please about him. . Biden is a senile worthless politician and I dodn't vote for him and can't stand him..I'll say whatever I please about him, as the woke liberals when they dissed President Trump. I have earned the right to express my opinions about anyone, as do you. The president is an elected official, not a king

Response by PO3 Ryan MartinFurlong made Dec 28 at 2021 11:44 PM

2021-12-28T23:44:45-05:00

Truthfully...if you're retired..Speak as you will. Although I do think we need to restore some sort of civility in that regard though. Dislike the person or the policy. That's fine. Death threats? Not so much.

Response by SPC David Mendez made Dec 29 at 2021 1:28 PM

2021-12-29T13:28:24-05:00

Fuck that puppet aka Muslim

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Dec 29 at 2021 2:11 PM

2021-12-29T14:11:04-05:00

"As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever." - Clarence Darrow.

The office of CIC is respected. The individual is or is not! Thankfully, we have the Constitution that allows us the freedom of speech. My military and Federal careers saw me serve under presidents from LBJ to Obama. I carried out my duties as assigned and never had any thought of rebellion. However, I'll leave it up to you to figure out which ones I actually had any respect for. Here's a hint....there weren't too many of them. I do believe supporting the Constitution is more sacred than serving the whims of any POTUS, especially when the Constitution is threatened by that individuals actions.

Response by LTC Anthony Broussard made Dec 29 at 2021 3:47 PM

2021-12-29T15:47:09-05:00

Throughout my 28 years of active duty I and my fellow Officers criticized every lousy politician who adversely impacted our men’s health, welfare or their survival. And, that goes for the health and financial welfare of my men’s families! We just never did it in public.

Response by MSG Ronald Williams made Dec 29 at 2021 5:59 PM

2021-12-29T17:59:32-05:00

criticizing, yes. tryng to overthrow the government, no. insurrectionists should receive maximum punshment allowed under the law

Response by PO2 Troy Lockwood made Dec 29 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-12-29T18:34:00-05:00

The President is the Commander in Chief. In the chain of command you can't go any higher. If you wouldn't openly criticize your own commanding officer - and you shouldn't - you should extend that same respect to the President. Think of it as respecting the position and not the person, if that helps.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Dec 29 at 2021 7:19 PM

2021-12-29T19:19:08-05:00

I know this post is old (2014) but, no ... active duty or reserves should never publically criticize the Commander-in-Chief. Veterans however ... well, they've earned the right to express how they may feel.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Dec 29 at 2021 7:43 PM

2021-12-29T19:43:01-05:00

Veterans and retirees are in a different category than active duty personnel. Officers are different than enlisted personnel. Officers are prohibited from making contemptuous remarks towards the commander-in-chief. There are no prohibitions for enlisted personnel, retirees or veterans.

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Dec 29 at 2021 8:25 PM

2021-12-29T20:25:32-05:00

Look to the right of these post and notice the date this one was edited and posted 8 years

Response by FN Bryan Kimble made Dec 29 at 2021 8:40 PM

2021-12-29T20:40:08-05:00

I voted for Mr. OH!MAMBA in 2008 because I wanted to see change. I like all other American's are still waiting on that change. There were good change being made starting in 2016 to 2020 when we had a president and now those changes are gone since we don't have a president

Response by SP5 George Butts made Dec 29 at 2021 9:01 PM

2021-12-29T21:01:35-05:00

While on duty or in uniform in public no. Off duty a soldier should be able to freely discuss and or criticize any elected official including the "Commander in Chief". At least as far as I know a soldier still a citizen and has the right and responsibility to vote. To be an informed voter one should actively discuss opinions of elected officials.

Response by PV2 Calvin Richardson made Dec 29 at 2021 10:12 PM

2021-12-29T22:12:34-05:00

Here's a scenario, you are the chief and only breadwinner in your family of 5 and you openly criticize your employer. It that stupid?

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Dec 30 at 2021 1:32 AM

2021-12-30T01:32:41-05:00

While in the military, restrictions on what one can do extends not only to military but to civil service. When no association with the Government, have at it.

Response by SPC Johnny Cox made Dec 30 at 2021 8:52 AM

2021-12-30T08:52:22-05:00

I think while in uniform you should keep your opinion to yourself unless you're ready to risk your career like the lt. Col in the Marine Corp did it takes courage to do what he did hopefully a seat in congress will suit him better

Response by TSgt James Herslebs made Dec 30 at 2021 9:42 AM

2021-12-30T09:42:04-05:00

Absolutely! The current President is borderline senile and not capable of making a coherent presentation. He has people behind the scenes that are telling him what to say in public and he publicly admits it. Yes, the First Amendment is in play. Current Active Duty personnel should be respectful but cognizant of the possible repercussions of their statements.

Response by CPO Craig Sawicky made Dec 30 at 2021 10:31 AM

2021-12-30T10:31:07-05:00

Publicly Disagreeing With YOUR Commander In Chief, Or ANY Superior In Rank, Is Covered Under The UCMJ. Veterans Have ALL The Rights Of A CITIZEN!

Response by CW3 Anthony Difiore made Dec 30 at 2021 10:53 AM

2021-12-30T10:53:06-05:00

My opinion is he was elected we deal with it good or bad. As to the question, you have the right to free speech but as a member of the military you give away some of those rights as was posted above.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2021 11:47 AM

2021-12-30T11:47:08-05:00

Vets retired and discharged have that freedom. Active military cannot.

Response by GySgt Richard James made Dec 30 at 2021 1:52 PM

2021-12-30T13:52:55-05:00

It is disrespectful and unbecoming.

Response by SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall made Dec 30 at 2021 1:53 PM

2021-12-30T13:53:10-05:00

I think it should be avoided but if someone wants to run their mouths about any past or current President they have to be able to take the heat. We all know there are people in the military as in the private sector that have the power to make others miserable if they don’t like what someone says at work.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Dec 30 at 2021 2:15 PM

2021-12-30T14:15:24-05:00

When you are active duty that's a no, no . But retired all options off the table . . Case in point all the retired four Stars criticizing Trump . Let's go Brandon

Response by Cpl Douglas Kahler made Dec 30 at 2021 3:04 PM

2021-12-30T15:04:35-05:00

A veteran has every right to criticize this moron. Otherwise why did we fight? Active duty personal is a different story. So if you don’t like me criticizing this communist in chief then kicked me off of your site!

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Dec 30 at 2021 3:38 PM

2021-12-30T15:38:56-05:00

Criticizing our commander in chief in public should not be allowed. If performed we should have consequences. I realize some of our leaders have said and done things that are highly questionable.

Response by SSG Frank Bova made Dec 30 at 2021 4:23 PM

2021-12-30T16:23:14-05:00

Veterans definitely have the right and perhaps the responsibility to criticize the President if they feel that the decisions being made by the White House negatively affect the performance and esprit de corps of the veterans and the active military as a whole.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2021 5:20 PM

2021-12-30T17:20:45-05:00

It’s our right. Our brother and sisters fought and died so we can have that right.

Response by PVT Lois Bray made Dec 30 at 2021 8:03 PM

2021-12-30T20:03:52-05:00

I side with the Veterans. Biden has no heart for the families that lost their love ones in the withdrawal of Afghanastan. All he wanted was to talk about his son, forget the families that just lost theirs. He is not fit to be Commander in Chief. In order to save face, he needs to resign.

Response by SFC Fernando Campos made Dec 30 at 2021 10:51 PM

2021-12-30T22:51:08-05:00

I was in when Clinton was in - He was a traitor during the Nam War. He should not have been allowed to run. Officers were forbidden from saying anything derogatory. Obama was not born in the US, the Manchurian Candidate, he should not have run either, he does not count. Joe Biden flat out stole the 2020 election with the help of many I won't mention. Not everyone likes every President. If they are elected properly and legally, they can be respected at the same time faults can be brought to light, call it constructive criticism.

Response by SSgt Michele Owings made Dec 31 at 2021 12:53 AM

2021-12-31T00:53:17-05:00

Good. Doesn't matter which party. It means we aren't north korea. The moment we cannot criticize our leaders is the moment we lose the essence of the United States of America. You can never fix anything you can't bring to light.

Response by MAJ Anne McGee made Dec 31 at 2021 9:52 AM

2021-12-31T09:52:18-05:00

In my opinion, Veterans have earned the right to criticize and speak out. In fact, Veterans must speak up for change when their brothers and sisters in uniform cannot. Respect is earned and is a two-way street. Who better to speak out against the VA hospital injustices than veterans? If a Presidential Administration wants the votes of soldiers and their families then they must keep their own oath of office and show, by their fruits, the respect that is due our military. I do not see that from the Regime in office. I see deliberate steps being taken to weaken our military and our country.

Response by SPC David Elzinga made Dec 31 at 2021 11:22 AM

2021-12-31T11:22:52-05:00

If you are in the military no matter how you feel about the person in the office,
You MUST respect the office and the person in it
As a veteran out of the military you can openly disagree with the person in the office

Response by Cpl Douglas Wuenschel made Dec 31 at 2021 12:11 PM

2021-12-31T12:11:07-05:00

I think they should respect the office regardless of political leanings.
This is a Democracy

Response by SSgt Lance Snead made Dec 31 at 2021 3:14 PM

2021-12-31T15:14:58-05:00

obama and biden are hell bent on destroying the USA- No respect for the traitors
President Trump is working hard to defend the USA has my respect!

Response by PO2 Matthew Stacy made Dec 31 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-12-31T16:32:15-05:00

I say veterans especially when not in uniform while maybe not in the best taste leave it be. There is fine line between regs and freedom of speech, civilian and former military members with their full constitution rights restored upon discharge. Current members hold peace, or find a why to express yourself constructively without breaking regs.

Response by SPC Joseph Kenny made Dec 31 at 2021 7:36 PM

2021-12-31T19:36:22-05:00

For those still wearing the uniform, when in uniform a big no-no. More so for officers. Veterans have the right and the obligation to say something if they see something amiss. Many vets find themselves inadvertently in "quasi leadership" roles in a circle of friends. Rightly or wrongly, people look to vets as people who have more of a worldly and mature view. We know before many when things are on their way to FUBARville.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

The very best men and women I have known have been vets.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 31 at 2021 7:54 PM

2021-12-31T19:54:52-05:00

I have no problem when they are out of uniform and off base. When in uniform, on base and on duty need to use discretion, tactic and responsibility when down talking anyone within the ranks from CIC to E-1. Just because you put your mark on the Dotted Line doesn't erase your Rights under the Bill of Rights. They are Amended for the Military Protocol. If someone is doing a Piss Poor job/performance, then corrective action should take place to include the CIC (Congress/Senate).

Response by COL David Clark made Dec 31 at 2021 8:37 PM

2021-12-31T20:37:34-05:00

Veterans should refrain from criticizing a standing president as it gives support to political positions. Our job is to execute our national security objectives whether we agree or disagree with a duly elected commander in chief.

Response by SGT Jeff Bush made Dec 31 at 2021 10:45 PM

2021-12-31T22:45:49-05:00

There should not be any criticism while you are still in - active or reserve, unless you want to destroy your career and end up like the Marine Light Bird who did so recently talking about throwing rank on the table, whose name is eluding me at the moment. Since I am now out and have never served under the current administration, the current commander in chief having to carry a prescreened list of who to call on at pressers and saying “Now they tell me I’m supposed to do X” is the weakest CIC in the history of America. He has destroyed our energy jobs, cancelled our Keystone XL pipeline while approving Russia’s NordStream 2 making us once again energy dependent upon despotic regimes who hate us. His profligate spending is directly causing inflation in everything from energy, lumber, housing, commodities and numerous other areas of our economy. His retreat from Bagram and Kabul and incompetent withdrawal directly caused the death of 13 service members. He then provided aid and comfort to the enemy and committed treason by leaving hundreds of American civilians behind in a hostile country without any support whatsoever then gave the Taliban a kill list with all of their names. His Marxist Keynesian crackpot ideology has failed everywhere it’s been tried. It devalues the currency and increases inflation. No one should ever follow unlawful orders such as those providing aid and comfort to the enemy. That would make you in violation of your oaths also. Do yourself a favor and get out while you can. Your integrity is not dependent on someone else’s, and you certainly don’t need to wear a patch on your arm or awards on your chest to maintain it.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Jan 1 at 2022 1:22 AM

2022-01-01T01:22:23-05:00

Whereas we are there to defend free speech, I do not feel it is right for someone currently serving, and in uniform to make negative comments about the current President. I served under Reagan, Bush, and Clinton. I was not thrilled during the Clinton years. His policies of cut backs really hurt a lot of units. I never openly discussed my displeasure with him while I served. I did get out and felt free to speak my mind at that time. Respecting your Chain of Command doesn't stop at your CO. Show the respect due the office while you serve. Vote for the people you prefer when the time comes.

Response by SGT James Bradley made Jan 1 at 2022 1:22 PM

2022-01-01T13:22:28-05:00

It is our right according to the Constitution - FREE SPEACH!!!!

Response by SSG Cam Prince made Jan 1 at 2022 11:25 PM

2022-01-01T23:25:47-05:00

I only have a problem with Flag officers doing this. All others get a pass.

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Jan 2 at 2022 7:55 AM

2022-01-02T07:55:38-05:00

Good morning,
every American has the right to free speech and expression,but when it becomes terrorist talks and overthrow the Government then it becomes a problem.

Response by Sgt John Acuna made Jan 2 at 2022 2:24 PM

2022-01-02T14:24:50-05:00

What president are you asking about that puppet in the white my answer is the truth hurts when they criticize him

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 2 at 2022 3:07 PM

2022-01-02T15:07:59-05:00

Biden is an imcompetent idiot and now some of his supporters are starting to see it. I have been out of the Army for over 50 years and have every right to say it

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jan 2 at 2022 3:18 PM

2022-01-02T15:18:43-05:00

How would you feel if you were FORCED to vote for a particular candidate or incumbent ? As our Commander in Chief, is he subject to the UCMJ ? If so then why didn't he get punished for his orders associated with Afghanistan ? While I believe that some expressions of dislike and disgust are over the top, I also feel that it is only the OFFICE of the President that is worthy of respect in this instance. Certainly NOT the individual that occupies it at this time. LETS GO BRANDON.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 2 at 2022 7:22 PM

2022-01-02T19:22:07-05:00

Soldiers can't vets can.

Response by 1SG Dave Kling made Jan 2 at 2022 10:48 PM

2022-01-02T22:48:08-05:00

Criticize but do it smartly and do not disrespect the office.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2022 2:04 PM

2022-01-03T14:04:20-05:00

Nor sure what Regulation say about Active or Reserve... would assume they would be restricted. Veterans... if not restricted... I don't have a problem personally... they should be allowed to speak their mind... as long as it's not threatening.

Response by 1LT Mike Schelp made Jan 3 at 2022 2:49 PM

2022-01-03T14:49:09-05:00

Frankly, I appreciate our Freedoms, including freedom of speech. I didn’t serve all that time just to watch them be taken from me!

Response by SGT Todd Miller made Jan 3 at 2022 9:35 PM

2022-01-03T21:35:07-05:00

It's supposed to be a free country. I fought for freedom of speech. One should respect the Boss when in uniform but privately say what you want. I always thought it was bull what happened to McCrystal.

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Jan 4 at 2022 10:55 AM

2022-01-04T10:55:34-05:00

I say go for it. He/She is just as human as the rest of us. If their incompetent and don't have a clue what they are doing, then they must go. It's no different when you've been in several combat situations and your strategic plans work. Then you get some boot camp officers freshly out of boot camp giving you a plan of attack that's going to get everyone killed. I've been there. If someone who is a complete incompetent idiot, It should be known. Whom ever the Clown is. Where talking about the future of our lives, and our country. If the president doe not know how to keep America safe then we may as well hand us over to North Korea. I'm sure we'll be in good hands.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Jan 10 at 2022 5:17 PM

2022-01-10T17:17:14-05:00

Being critical is a time honored tradition in America and everywhere else.
Being critical in uniform will bring you negative attention and you will inevitably find yourself on the bad side of the UCMJ.
People whom are successful in life and our Armed Forces learn to listen, think, smile, and keep on walking.

Response by MSG Walter Reel made Jan 13 at 2022 9:28 AM

2022-01-13T09:28:28-05:00

We of all people should be allowed our rights under the Constitution!!!

Response by CPL Gerald Welch made Jan 13 at 2022 2:59 PM

2022-01-13T14:59:44-05:00

I dunno, were you criticizing Trump at all?

Response by SSG Joshua Johnson made Jan 17 at 2022 7:06 PM

2022-01-17T19:06:39-05:00

Even if I disagree with what another veteran is saying, I hope we never reach the point where we are like North Korea.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2022 8:06 AM

2022-01-18T08:06:55-05:00

Why not, last time I checked we still lived in a free country.

Response by MSgt Gloria Vance made Jan 18 at 2022 8:30 AM

2022-01-18T08:30:45-05:00

While on Active Duty , politics should never be part of your conversations ….. wish some Generals understood that! Hard to follow a standard when you see and hear them loudly expressing their political opinions!!

Response by CMSgt Marcus Falleaf made Jan 18 at 2022 8:56 AM

2022-01-18T08:56:47-05:00

Veterans I'm "OK" with, but not from the ranks of active military. Especially while in uniform or in a public forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jan 18 at 2022 9:46 AM

2022-01-18T09:46:54-05:00

Folks should realize that he is an old man and not in control of all his faculties. They should refrain from being critical. Hopefully, they too will be old some day and be in the same shape. I realize that I am not as sharp as I was when I was younger.

Response by PO1 Richard Cormier made Jan 18 at 2022 9:59 AM

2022-01-18T09:59:10-05:00

It is amazing to me that no one had this problem when Trump was in office. They slammed him on a daily basis and claimed it was their right. Now they want to protect the "Potus" as is normally fitting.

Double standards? Or, is this just more "Hate Trump" smoke and mirrors?

Response by CW5 Michael Tuman made Jan 18 at 2022 10:14 AM

2022-01-18T10:14:12-05:00

while still in the service absolutely not. While retired or discharged that is your constitutional right.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Jan 18 at 2022 10:31 AM

2022-01-18T10:31:43-05:00

It's fine... I only see actions as threats... Speech and babbling is relatively meaningless since most mouthy people only have agency to make threats they can't deliver.... If they could take action they would need to threaten anything... Essentially a person threatening to punch you doesn't realize that he doesn't need to alert you to that action.. He can just do it.

Response by PFC Michelle Gauthier made Jan 18 at 2022 12:42 PM

2022-01-18T12:42:05-05:00

As our commander and chief, he deserves respect even if YOU not agree with his views or politics. It is a difficult enough job without all the BS from the public.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Jan 18 at 2022 2:40 PM

2022-01-18T14:40:28-05:00

Commissioned officers are bound by UCMJ Article 88 which prohibits "contemptuous words" against the President, Vice President, and other civilian leaders. An officer could also be charged under Article 133.

For other service members, there is no clear and specific legal prohibition.

Depending on the circumstances, a charge under Article 134 could be a possibility, but I think the circumstances would have to be rather extreme to sustain such a charge.

I suppose a commander could interpret some remarks as "insubordination" but I doubt such a charge would be sustained if the remarks were simply about the president rather than TO the president.

For those not covered by Article 88, we are really talking about professionalism rather than adherence to law or regulation.

Professionalism dictates that a service member ought to avoid disrespectful language, especially of an ad hominem nature. Still, a service member can respectfully disagree with a President's decisions and policies, and can respectfully criticize such decisions and policies.

For retired service members, the UCMJ still applies, but there needs to be a nexus for the military to exert jurisdiction. Clearly there is a difference between, for example, some random Facebook user who happens to be retired military and who shares a disrespectful meme versus a press conference by a retired general officer appearing in uniform.

Finally, the original question includes "veterans," which is really stretching the point. A veteran certainly has at least the same right to criticize the President as any other individual -- one might argue that a veteran has an even greater moral right to criticize the President based on the fact that the veteran has demonstrated his or her willingness to sacrifice for the good of the nation.

As with almost everything in the real world, Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 applies. There is a time and a place for every thing. A remark that is perfectly acceptable in one time and place may be completely inappropriate in another time or another place.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2022 3:09 PM

2022-01-18T15:09:50-05:00

Under Trump, liberals thought it was ok and should be allowed. Under Biden, the same Democrats are hypocritical and say it is a crime

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 18 at 2022 4:18 PM

2022-01-18T16:18:01-05:00

What if I said Trump completely screwed the pandemic response at the time he was in office?

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2022 4:43 PM

2022-01-18T16:43:23-05:00

There are many gaps between US Code and UCMJ even though they overlap. Officers for life, but free speech is supreme, except in severe cases. Vets in general can fire for effect.

Response by PFC(P) Victor F. made Jan 18 at 2022 4:59 PM

2022-01-18T16:59:58-05:00

I think it about it like this. I need to respect his/her office and his/her position as the Commander and Chief, that doesn’t mean I have to like them. But I need to be respectful of their position. Like the saying “Salute the Rank, not the person”

I personally think it’s unprofessional to talk negatively to any boss of that matter VIA social media. I don’t believe it should be in our ranks at all.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 18 at 2022 6:02 PM

2022-01-18T18:02:47-05:00

As for a veterans not much one can say; other than I would prefer you show more respect when speaking with me. As for serving military. I thinknit is inappropriate in a public setting. I do bwliwve that healthy political discussions using a professional tone and reference is a good thing.
Officers cannot and Senior NCOs are wise to follow the same guidance as do officers.

Response by SPC Carlton Phelps made Jan 18 at 2022 6:59 PM

2022-01-18T18:59:23-05:00

Well, he is the Boss, and our freedom of speech is in the consttution. So yes.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2022 7:31 PM

2022-01-18T19:31:58-05:00

CPL Paul B. You sure pissed a lot of people off... 14 downvotes. That's a record... at least for the 1 year that I've been active on RP. I guess they don't believe you have 1st Amendment Rights on RP... Hmmm... wonder why that's so.?

Yes... Trumpublicans... I know the original post was in 2014... so don't get your skivvies in a knot.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2022 10:22 AM

2022-01-19T10:22:08-05:00

This has been a constant discussion since Rallypoint started.
CW5 Roy Rucker posed the question regarding President Obama in 2015. More came up under President Trump so here we are today with President Biden.
We all know the rules now.

Response by MAJ Eric G Troup made Jan 19 at 2022 10:36 AM

2022-01-19T10:36:26-05:00

The regs says service members and retires (those drawing pay) must refrain from publicly criticizing the chain of command including the President. Fine with that. The military serves the US Constitution and should not bear allegiance to a political party. We should not have political officers.

However, the enforcement of this rule has been asymmetrical. Active and retired military members publicly attacked President Trump and got promoted (example COL Alexander Vindman who falsely testified against Trump) while anyone criticizing Obama or Biden got a court martial or chaptered out.

Not only that there has been a purge to get rid of anyone not aligned to the Democrat Party and it’s politically correct woke mandates. So now we do have de facto “political officers”.

Response by LT Leon Heselton made Jan 21 at 2022 11:40 PM

2022-01-21T23:40:23-05:00

I have little respect for all democrat presidents in my life time except Truman. There have been 6 since '32.

Response by LT Leon Heselton made Jan 21 at 2022 11:44 PM

2022-01-21T23:44:00-05:00

I received an official message that as a retired veteran that I couldn't!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2022 12:30 AM

2022-01-22T00:30:12-05:00

Yes freedom of speech plays a role. I can praise or criticize the president of the United States of America without any consequences as long as I don't do it in the name of the United States of the Army, or in uniform, or in threat. I am a voting citizen of the United States of America and I am a Soldier. I have to make sure the two do not cross, that is all.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 22 at 2022 6:06 PM

2022-01-22T18:06:46-05:00

Let's see the other side of the coin. How does one feel when the president denigrates SMs and veterans as he claims himself as a military genius after a high school military school? He said some really shitty things.

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Jan 22 at 2022 9:13 PM

2022-01-22T21:13:58-05:00

When your on active duty you have to abide by the oath you took "follow thr orders or those appointed over you.," as a veteran out of the service you have the right to.

Response by SFC Michael Peterson made Jan 28 at 2022 1:02 PM

2022-01-28T13:02:55-05:00

I’m retired so, I don’t work for the POTUS anymore. He is supposed to be working for me but, this one seems to be “broken” because he isn’t working at all. His failed policies have cost the lives of 13 service members and countless Afghan allies during his poor excuse for a pull out. We’ve had two MILLION ILLEGAL aliens pour across our southern border in the last year along with over four tons of Fentnyl. Oil is over $90 a barrel for the first time since 2014. Shelves at the grocery store are empty. China and North Korea are laughing at us and Russia is getting ready to invade Ukraine. Someone please name ONE thing he’s done right. I’ll wait.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 29 at 2022 3:36 AM

2022-01-29T03:36:50-05:00

Veterans like myself are entitled to their opinion. I will say that the current president has been trying to clean up the mess that the previous president created during his time in office. As for Soldiers doing this, they forget that the president is the Commander in Chief. Yes the president makes mistakes, however the president is in the Chain of Command. Such acts of criticism could lead to punishment under the UCMJ.

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Jan 29 at 2022 12:48 PM

2022-01-29T12:48:47-05:00

I have no issue with criticizing the President by Veterans. Any president or anyone else, by their actions, violates the oath took do not and will not get any respect from me. In my opinion, by doing so, that makes them Traitors. There are far too many that by their actions / inactions have violated the oath or abetted those that have. Free speech is that, Free Speech and guaranteed by the Constitution. Within the ranks, that could be a bit dicey as you most likely would find someone who liked the sitting CinC that you did not. The VFW magazine, in an election year doesn't take a stand. They introduce the candiadates and then you are on your own as it should be. They endorse none. Being a Veteran doesn't mean I gave up my rights to speak out and criticize a sitting President.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jan 30 at 2022 8:48 PM

2022-01-30T20:48:31-05:00

Veterans and soldiers have the same rights everyone else does to express their opinions about our elected leaders. Expressing a negative opinion or disagreeing with an elected official is not disrespectful, or disloyal, it is free speech.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Jan 30 at 2022 9:46 PM

2022-01-30T21:46:57-05:00

I was thinking about this back when Tulsi Gabbard was running for president. I liked her stance on some of the issues. Right up to the point that she started badmouthing Trump. Now I'm the first to admit Trump had left the door open to be criticized not because of the job he was doing as much for his Twitter posts. No active duty personnel, reserves, or national guard should run their mouth or post negative things about the chain of command. Tulsi Gabbard went even one step worse. You are really screwing the pooch by using your status as a member of the military to get votes while talking trash about the chain of command. Once your out talk all you want as long as you don't talk about your chain of command when you were in.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2022 11:41 PM

2022-01-30T23:41:46-05:00

I’d say be consistent. If you were ok with it because you didn’t like the President then you should tolerate it when you do like the President. Saying it’s ok for “MY” guy but not the last is hypocrisy which demonstrates a lack of character. Or you could just STFU altogether and not be critical of ANY president.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Jan 31 at 2022 9:41 AM

2022-01-31T09:41:30-05:00

That is a hot question without a definitive answer. When actively serving, you are bound by law to do as ordered. If your words cause or are involved in an active insurrection, as happened on January sixth, anything from jail to execution should be the sentence. If you are an officer released from service, you still must follow the military code. As a civilian, you can say what you wish as long as you prove what you say is true. It is the loudmouths who spew out what they feel and believe without proof that can face problems. Much of the misinformation that feeds the lies come from people paid to incite anger. Putin, Xi, and Kim Jonn-Un profit from the destruction of America. Many platforms people use on the internet make money by encouraging people to argue on their forums. America must change as times change. We need to change as we changed from the day we developed an American government. We need to converse with each other in a helpful manner, not destructive.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2022 11:22 AM

2022-01-31T11:22:41-05:00

Griping about leadership is a time honored tradition .
Follow orders and move out.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jan 31 at 2022 1:40 PM

2022-01-31T13:40:11-05:00

As Americans, we have the right to express our opinions. Veterans have that right all the time. But, the military while on duty, whether we like the President or not, must follow orders to complete their missions. You can not let your political feelings interfere with your day-to-day military life. And you have to be careful with what and how you make statements about our government.

Response by Sgt William Fulbright made Jan 31 at 2022 3:49 PM

2022-01-31T15:49:33-05:00

Left or right Republican or Democrat I don’t care, you have every right to criticize the POTUS that’s one of the many rights we fight to defend as service members.

Response by Sgt Jake Middlebrook made Feb 1 at 2022 11:24 AM

2022-02-01T11:24:09-05:00

The President is both our Commander in Chief and an Elected Official. The chants and memes would seem off limits to me as disrespectful, however if I wish to observe prices have risen since he took office and express the opinion that inflation is a result of the policies and actions of the Biden administration that is protected speech. Likewise if I wish to observe something over 100,000 people have crossed the Sothern border during each month of his administration with very little vetting and that if only 20% of them are men of military age we do not know for a fact that we have not been invaded by 20 Divisions. Yea that's is unlikely but it does point out we are allowing unvetted people in the country by the 100000. So I will be respectful of the Office of the President however I have no compunction against civilly and reasonably pointing out my dislike for his policy's.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Feb 1 at 2022 6:29 PM

2022-02-01T18:29:53-05:00

I have been in the US Armed Forces since July 1972. Ten Presidents now. Some were good. Some not so good. You don't have to like the man. You respect the office. What you want to share with the troops: "Think what you want. But keep your opinions to yourself." best policy. That way no one gets in trouble by saying something that upon second thought wasn't a good thing to say. We take an oath to uphold the Constitution and obey the lawful orders of the President and those officers appointed over us. Even if it's a hard swallow sometimes.

Response by Sgt Ed Feraco made Feb 1 at 2022 10:28 PM

2022-02-01T22:28:49-05:00

Obama divided this country, is a racist, a supremacist, and an illegitimate president.

Response by Sgt Butch Black made Feb 2 at 2022 5:33 AM

2022-02-02T05:33:21-05:00

It seems to me there are two separate issues. Active duty military, and veterans. Veterans, like any other American, have the right to disagree with whoever is President. Active duty needs to balance that freedom to disagree with the fact that they're representing the country. They may be best served by keeping their opinions to themselves. A reminder that the oath that we took when we entered the service was to defend the constitution, not the president.

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Feb 3 at 2022 7:12 AM

2022-02-03T07:12:09-05:00

I was always taught to respect your fellow man, not just the President. An elected official i fair game for criticizing. Especially if he's doing a poor job. You can respect the office without respecting the man. I myself would never disrespect a person, just the job he's doing.

Response by TSgt Matthew Covey made Feb 4 at 2022 10:20 AM

2022-02-04T10:20:19-05:00

When I was serving, I made it a point not to bash the CinC. I thought even though I may not have agreed with his positions politically, he was still our nation's leader and the position should be respected regardless of the person in it. Now that I am retired, I feel I am just exercising my freedom of speech in expressing my opinion of our President.

Response by SSgt John Orrell made Feb 4 at 2022 10:21 AM

2022-02-04T10:21:55-05:00

If anybody has the right to criticize the President, The veterans and soldiers have earned the right.

Response by AN Kevin Esmond made Feb 4 at 2022 11:02 AM

2022-02-04T11:02:28-05:00

A veteran should be able to say anything they want to say about anybody. But if you hung that uniform on your back and you still wearing it the president is the Commander and chief. It would be insubordination down talking or disrespecting them in any kind of way.

Response by CPL Alvin Wells made Feb 4 at 2022 6:32 PM

2022-02-04T18:32:44-05:00

As an active duty service member you always have the right to question or critique any policy. You can freely discuss your concerns among your peers. This does not allow out right disrespect towards superior officers, NCO's, and that does include the Commander-in-Chief. I do not like to see active duty personnel doing this. While on active duty we are under a bit of a different directive than a citizen. We have to show respect to the rank but no necessarily the man that wears the uniform. I had fantastic officers and NCO's and I also served under some that made some bad calls. I never showed contempt or disrespect to any of them.

While I was on active duty we were allowed to ask questions or voice concerns up the chain of command from squad level on up. We were not allowed to show outright contempt or be disrespectful to those above us in the chain of command. We were not allowed to disobey direct lawful orders given by those appointed above us. This includes the Commander-in-Chief.

As a veteran I have the right to question, critique, or voice any opinion I want to. I can voice my disagreement with any aspect of our political machine, policies, or decisions made by the military. I am no longer controlled by the chain of command. I am a voting citizen with complete freedom of speech. I do not have to like or be silent.

On a personal note, I will say that there have been several Presidents that I did not agree with at all. I do not think they made sound decisions regarding the direction of this country. I will always hope they do a good job because if they succeed then we succeed. If I do not like them then I campaign for my candidate and vote my conscious. I am very vocal about polices that move us in a direction that I do not agree with.

Response by COL Bob Moore made Feb 4 at 2022 11:12 PM

2022-02-04T23:12:30-05:00

Interesting, did anyone post this when Trump was President?

Response by Cpl Lorraine Ceniceros made Feb 5 at 2022 1:16 AM

2022-02-05T01:16:53-05:00

This is a very difficult question. I believe as an active duty enlisted or officer we are duty bond to follow our commander and chief. We have taken an oath. Our last President was an enemy of our oath to this mighty country and what this country stands for in lifting this country upwards! There have on a whole been more good presidents than bad. But this last President was one of a kind. Hopefully we will not see one like in the near future. I've seen many good Replican presidents and there will be more some day if the party makes a big turn around. DROP TRUMP!!!!!!!!

Response by Sgt Walter Bollinger made Feb 5 at 2022 1:23 PM

2022-02-05T13:23:11-05:00

We swear an oath to our country and to defend the Constitution not loyalty to a president. There are good officers, NCOs and presidents and bad ones. Just because you question them or don't agree or criticize them i think that is your right. BUT you still follow orders but hey should be held accountable for their decisions and actions also.

Response by Dawn Taylor made Feb 5 at 2022 7:01 PM

2022-02-05T19:01:24-05:00

I feel we all our entitled to voice our own opinions. Freedom of speech and expression is very important. We are not puppets.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Feb 6 at 2022 8:41 AM

2022-02-06T08:41:12-05:00

While still on active duty or active in the Reserve or National Guard, never talk about the sitting President or Vice President in a derogatory manner. It is considered to be against portions of the UCMJ. That includes while wearing civilian clothes.
If you are no longer wearing the uniform because you retired or separated, I’d say you can speak your mind.

Response by SSG David Angell made Feb 6 at 2022 10:42 PM

2022-02-06T22:42:07-05:00

Freedom of speech plays an important part in our society. Being in the Military doesn't stop you from having freedom of speech, BUT, it can limit it to some degree.
People may disagree with the President, (which I do) but as long as they do it within the law, and if your in Uniform, you do as your told to, by your supervisor and its a legal order or comment, then all is good.
The leadership in former Presidents Military, did the same thing that is happening now, with Biden in office.
So as the old saying goes, what's good for the goose, is good the gander. (I think that's the way the saying goes). I'm sure you get my drift on what I am saying.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2022 9:15 AM

2022-02-07T09:15:09-05:00

Considering the fact that we members of the military community are just 1% or 2% of those who are willing to raise our right hand and swear to protect and defend..........., for sure veterans have as much right as anyone (more than most) to criticize our president or any other gov't official elected or appointed. As to those currently wearing the uniform, they must obey orders in effect or face the consequences. Some have been forthright in that regard and have lost everything they have earned over long periods of faithful service. I respect them for their moral courage.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Feb 7 at 2022 10:04 AM

2022-02-07T10:04:37-05:00

Inappropriate, but nothing new. Social media just makes it easily heard.

Response by SGT Leonard Frank made Feb 7 at 2022 10:20 AM

2022-02-07T10:20:08-05:00

We all and I mean every member of this country need to respect the Title and the Rank. Other countries see us as divided and confused. Petty stuff is for kids on the playground not adults or especially those that have worn the uniform and at one time swore to defend this nation (etc)

Response by CWO3 Perry Robert made Feb 7 at 2022 10:43 AM

2022-02-07T10:43:48-05:00

All I have to say is: I love our country, but these days I dislike our government .....

Response by GySgt John Buettner made Feb 7 at 2022 2:20 PM

2022-02-07T14:20:23-05:00

I was in a long time ago. But the President s the Commander in Chief.

I swore an oath to defend the Constitution, not just parts of it. And in the Marines I obeyed all of the legal orders (never received an illegal order) is was given.

We weren't worried about some needle the Corpsman poked in our arm or our butts, we were headed to Nam, and Charlie wanted to stick a bayonet in our butt. That you worry about.

No offense, but the military needs to send all of your cupcakes packing. Obey your orders, do your job, or join the mob outside your gates.

Response by LTC Clayton Hill made Feb 7 at 2022 2:28 PM

2022-02-07T14:28:40-05:00

Not while on active duty (except in closed meeting of friends with similar ideas -with due diligence). But POTUS is fair game for all others. We didn't give up our citizenship or individual freedoms to serve -especially for separated veterans and retirees - we have the obligation to promote our country and strongly voice our objections regardless of who is president.

Response by SSG John Mtz made Feb 7 at 2022 3:28 PM

2022-02-07T15:28:36-05:00

Whether it's up the chain of command or down the chain of command if there's a DUD, or misfeasance you should be able to call it out and not be cancelled or suffer adverse action. sort of like what happened to Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller. One should be able to speak up within the realm of free speech against incompetent political woke/ hacks, as an example not protecting the sovereignty of U.S. Borders

Response by MSgt Stanislaw Kansiewicz made Feb 8 at 2022 6:08 AM

2022-02-08T06:08:15-05:00

I am of course 2 years retired now, so my Freedom of Speech is starting to come back

For example: The way that the Biden Administration handled the Afghanistan withdrawal was clumsy, and foolish- This is one appropriate and acceptable way to say it.

An unacceptable example might be. """Bunch of incompetent Jackholes, ought to kick them all out"""--what would be food for a court-martial--Choosing a past president this time--"Clinton was such a horndog idiot, couldn't pay attention in the Oral Office and let Bin Laden Go twice"

I've heard worse, and counseled servicemembers on both sides for unprofessional speech regarding seated Presidents.

Bottom line is if you wouldn't say it in front of your commander and your mother and your pastor(spiritual advisor). Maybe be a bit more circumspect.

Response by MSG Ron Radar made Feb 8 at 2022 10:11 AM

2022-02-08T10:11:59-05:00

Very glad I did my 20+ before social media was even born ! While I see being able to connect with folks all around the globe instantly as being pretty cool I also see just how insane some are with this medium ! Having your own thoughts has always been a persons privilege , spreading them for all to see is begging for problems . I served under 5 presidents , liked some disliked others but never talked bad about any of them while in . Chain of command is chain of command no matter who it is , I never talked smack about any NCO or office either as I saw early on the trouble that'll get you into ( seeing others pay the price for loose lips ) ! The internet isn't the problem , being unable to control yourself is the problem . Freedom is a wonderful thing , you just have to know the difference between self freedom and duty . Duty requires you to shelf many of things civilians take for granted , you made that decision when you raised your right hand . Calling foul on that is being dishonest with yourself and doing an injustice to the uniform . If you are unable to restrain your personal beliefs/opinions and follow the oath you swore then you need to find a new occupation because the Military is NOT going to change for you . Just an old Grunts "opinion " on this topic ....AATW

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Feb 8 at 2022 6:58 PM

2022-02-08T18:58:55-05:00

The military shouldn't swear or drink in public either, but it's a free country, free because we've fought for it. I'm a hard core Republican, but I was a hard core Democrat when I enlisted. There's room for both serving our country. We should all be allowed to express our opinions when not on duty. But while we're serving, we serve the President, and our opinions as to our orders must be kept to ourselves.

Response by SPC Charles McFate made Feb 9 at 2022 2:26 AM

2022-02-09T02:26:14-05:00

I was always told that you respect the rank, the respect for the "person" wearing it is earned.
That said, bad mouthing the "person" in public is not proper.
What is said/thought internally or behind closed doors is another situation.
That said, we have to stand up to poor leadership when it rears its' ugly head...
The division of this great country is a disgrace to what the founders created and what we all fought and
that some gave the ultimate sacrifice for.

Response by SFC James High made Feb 10 at 2022 2:10 PM

2022-02-10T14:10:53-05:00

If Military personnel are doing this on social media they do not need to announce their membership in the armed forces at any location on their page. That being said, they need to be aware of the consequences of what they say or post/repost on social media. HR departments are famous for checking these sites of possible job candidates and some comments can be construed as an indicator of poor character or judgement. Remember every action has consequences, and be prepared to face all possible ones whether good or bad!!!

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Feb 11 at 2022 2:03 PM

2022-02-11T14:03:09-05:00

Depends on who the President is and how he treats the troops.

Free political opinion works both ways. You have your right to criticize your leadership and I have the right to react favorably or not.

I would discourage them from doing this in uniform during duty hours. Stay within the regulations.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Feb 18 at 2022 7:40 AM

2022-02-18T07:40:56-05:00

Well, I am one of those old Vets Vietnam that often criticizes the president. He never ceases to amaze me with his and his puppeteers antics that ae detrimental to America.
My opinion only.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Mar 3 at 2022 7:09 AM

2022-03-03T07:09:56-05:00

When everyone on RP was criticizing Trump the consensus was "Hey 1st Amendment, freedom of speech". But now that it is Biden it's bad?
If liberals did not have 2 standards they would have none.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 3 at 2022 8:33 AM

2022-03-03T08:33:48-05:00

(Paraphrase) When in uniform you support and defend the constitution and follow the orders of those appointed above you to included the commander and chief. Even when I was in the reserves I did not express my disappointment or cast dispersions upon the sitting Cdr and chief. I am retired now and express them as freely and as a civilian.

Response by TSgt David Broadwell made Mar 3 at 2022 8:45 AM

2022-03-03T08:45:30-05:00

Well my thoughts are I respect the office.

Response by SFC Douglas Wallace made Mar 3 at 2022 6:15 PM

2022-03-03T18:15:51-05:00

With what is going on with this admiration we have to speak out and get rid of them before we no longer have a free country. That we that have served have out blood sweat and tears for an Hell

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Mar 4 at 2022 8:35 AM

2022-03-04T08:35:58-05:00

Two different groups of people to consider here. Obviously members of the Nation still in uniform are subject to current rules/regulations under the UCMJ and have to be cognizant of what they say; be it about POTUS or their commanding officer. Any complaints about "freedom of speech" are mitigated by the fact we're an all-volunteer military. A choice is made to swear an oath and allegiance, so you keep your thoughts to yourself and your friends at beer-thirty and just drive on. That said, before becoming a senior NCO, my peers and I talked shit about everyone while doing our jobs and following orders. Starting at E-6 I had to temper my tongue because of all the head shed around. All that said, members of the military are instruments of foreign policy who have far less a say than the average civilian. Veterans though?? They served their time and can say whatever the hell they want. Like now. I'm retired; fought my wars and took care of my troops so can speak my mind. Fuck Biden.

Response by SSgt Robert Dant made Mar 4 at 2022 3:00 PM

2022-03-04T15:00:16-05:00

Obviously a difficult question. We put on the uniform to fight for Freedom. However, we also took an oath to support and follow the chain of command and I am positive that means the President. While in, we had to follow orders and then appeal to flag them as unlawful. Hard to appeal higher than the President.

Be a soldier, stay the course, and hold onto your own honor. Do not let social media drag you down into the mud or allow you to think you have specific rights to publicly bash. When you joined, you gave up a lot of those rights.

We cannot have our military be the best; yet in public domain run down our leaders, and that means every person above you or who has a higher rank. You should also be a leader and not talk down to those below you. And for those of the same rank be a loyal peer.

Wait until you are out then run for President. Obviously you think you have the qualifications to fill those shoes.

Response by PFC Bill Homans made Mar 4 at 2022 3:25 PM

2022-03-04T15:25:09-05:00

As a veteran with ETS 52 years ago, I certainly qualify as a civilian. I don't name-call or cuss anyone, nor do I make stupid, flippant comments just to hear my virtual jaw flap. And I only criticize them if the evidence is overwhelming (as it so often is). I used to write letters to politicians, but it became clear that the pols I wrote to never actually read them. I dig it, a President might receive 10,000 letters (now, emails etc.) per day, he hasn't got time to read all that, any more than Santa Claus does, lol, no matter how many mail room orderlies he has. And electronic messages, for me, will always be less significant than personal hard-copy letters. Writing pols, praise 'em or cuss 'em, is a kind of ritual, just like communion.

Now, in the service: I think the First Amendment is most important If I were a commander I would judge each case on its own merits, and the only reason to git after a soldier for what he SAYS publicly is if they are causing a significant morale problem in his unit. As the E-7 who commented before me said, if we start censoring people, purty soon this country will be fascist.

Response by SPC Todd Curran made Mar 4 at 2022 5:54 PM

2022-03-04T17:54:57-05:00

I hate the current president and former president obama. they have failed our country in my opinion. we were weaker under them. now that being said if i were over seas or in foreign country i would not voice my opinion because that makes us divided . but here in good ol USA ,I will tell it how I see it . I didn't like the bush's either . the fact is i can't trust our government any more .God bless the soldier ,sailor, airman ,marines who serve now because there's too much political correctness now more then ever before,

Response by 1SG Ronald Rieck made Mar 4 at 2022 11:49 PM

2022-03-04T23:49:37-05:00

If you're a vet, you're free to criticize. I do believe that the office of the Presidency should be respected, but we need to remember that we've had a couple recently that took Deferments rather than serving like we did...I'll never respect someone that did that..

Response by SN Robbie Malone made Mar 5 at 2022 9:04 AM

2022-03-05T09:04:03-05:00

Now compare us in the U.S. to other countries. Now we can call our leaders all kinds of names threaten them. and try to harm them. But, overseas you even whisper anything bad about a leader or associates, you are marked for death, We in the U.S have talked bad about our leaders for centuries of taxes, prison reform, military tactics, veterans issues, I don't think we are going to change anytime soon.

Response by SGT Thomas Mitchell made Mar 5 at 2022 11:59 AM

2022-03-05T11:59:14-05:00

I kept my opinions to myself while I was active duty then later while a reservist.
I now reserve the right to express my First Amendment right to free speech, especially when elected officials deviate from what is expected of someone in a leadership position.

It is a sad state of affairs when the two dominant political parties no longer produce statesmen.

Response by Sgt Ed Beal made Mar 5 at 2022 2:08 PM

2022-03-05T14:08:10-05:00

I believe the CIC still has to earn respect. If He violates the laws as some have done and even bragged about it, no respect is earned in my opinion. Obedience to a lawful order Is upholding the oath.

Response by PO3 Michael Daniels made Mar 5 at 2022 10:32 PM

2022-03-05T22:32:34-05:00

As controversial as politics is, people wearing the uniform past, present and future should refrain from public criticism. Otherwise, we may see another January 6th, hopefully not!

Response by MAJ Frederick Camacho made Mar 6 at 2022 1:16 PM

2022-03-06T13:16:46-05:00

As retired veteran, I now have the opportunities for criticism. When in uniform no...this my right as a now private citizen.

Response by CPT Stephen L Harrison made Mar 6 at 2022 2:28 PM

2022-03-06T14:28:28-05:00

Active duty? No.
Military Veterans? All who have fought to serve the interests of the USA should openly and loudly CONDEMN the current sitting POTUS, Joe Biden. He and his political/ideological ilk, and his "handlers," are brazen and overt enemies of America. Stronger words of condemnation are not possible.

Response by SGT John Coppinger made Mar 6 at 2022 9:24 PM

2022-03-06T21:24:29-05:00

Speak the truth as to how you feel. If our President is wrong in our mind Speak your mind. Everyone is equal no one is a VIP

Response by SPC John Bryant made Mar 7 at 2022 12:02 AM

2022-03-07T00:02:33-05:00

People have an opinion and the right to speak their mind but we would hope they not to use to much of any volger words but on them

Response by TSgt Robert Wayne made Mar 7 at 2022 2:02 AM

2022-03-07T02:02:20-05:00

We join the military to ensure our freedom. That includes our freedom of speech and freedom to speak our mind on politics, politicians etc. That would include EVERYBODY. However there are rules against protesting while in uniform. Taking signs bumper stickers etc to the work place should not be allowed since that would be like forcing your views on others where it don't belong. In the workplace. Especially if your a manager where subordinates might feel pressured into excepting your views. Name-calling and bashing are just immature and says a lot about you but also has no place at work. What you do or say away from work and not in uniform is your business.

Response by SSG Jim Schimon made Mar 7 at 2022 8:51 AM

2022-03-07T08:51:44-05:00

I have always shown respect for the president while serving .Even when I had to take my own money to get supply's to train my solders and we had to get locale people to release there land for ground troop training.I was in the national Guards at the time .To make it sound good I called it the SGT fund, I didn't say it was from the deep cuts from a Clintan . I just sucked it up and drove on .But at that time I never spoke ill Of the president even thoe I thought it . He was my boss so I made do with every thing I had to train my scouts as a E-6.Were the uniform and keep the mouth zipped. If not you Give our enemy's the thought that the army won't fight .

Response by Maj Rickey Durkin made Mar 9 at 2022 6:19 PM

2022-03-09T18:19:47-05:00

While on active duty I bit my tongue and stayed out of political discussions. As a retiree, I can say what I want, you don’t have to like it but that is one reason I was in that uniform! Protecting to rights guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights!

Response by Cpl Daiji Yoshimura made Mar 9 at 2022 6:43 PM

2022-03-09T18:43:28-05:00

Soldiers criticizing the Commander in Chief is ok depending on the audience. Just a bunch of PFCs complaining about the President before formation is no big deal. However I think it is poor taste for NCOs or officers to do it (outside their peers/friends) because you are just undermining your own authority. Same thing about the company commander, if you criticize your own chain of command why should the troops listen to you?

In regards to veterans, they are not under DOJ policy of the UCMJ or in position of authority, so they can say whatever is guaranteed under the 1st Amendment of the same constitution they volunteered to defend. Unfortunately it seems like a major American party has completely forgotten about the importance of protecting even vile hate speech from censorship. Because they will eventually come for all speech they don't agree with.

Response by PV2 Calvin Richardson made Mar 9 at 2022 8:40 PM

2022-03-09T20:40:39-05:00

It's their right as a citizen. If you are still on active duty, you probably shouldn't publicly criticize our commander in chief.

Response by PO3 Robin Bragg made Mar 11 at 2022 6:53 AM

2022-03-11T06:53:53-05:00

Are you talking all Presidents or just Biden and Obama? Look what Congress did to Trump impeached him even when he farted. This is our government now its no longer serve the people it's vote me in and watch me do what I want. There is only few representatives out there that remembers that on both sides for the people. I myself understand going green BUT you just can't stop fossil fuels and go green when an American, citizen or serviceman can't afford an electric car even when the country itself has not the materials to do so. And if I remember it's freedom of speech Biden himself called Douchy a SOB thats the president of the United States that said that about a voting citizen. Even our own the president in office does it. Good example there!!

Response by Sgt Francis Santa-Teresa made Mar 11 at 2022 10:25 AM

2022-03-11T10:25:04-05:00

When I joined the Air Force in Jan 1984, President Reagan was starting his second term. For me, he was a great CIC and was a much better leader compared to Jimmy Carter.

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Mar 11 at 2022 7:11 PM

2022-03-11T19:11:19-05:00

When in the military, keep your lips sealed when in a public venue. Veterans should be restrained to policy issues and not name calling. Everyone should speak as if the President is in the room with your grandma.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2022 11:24 PM

2022-03-11T23:24:15-05:00

Regardless of who in office democratic or republican give them the upmost respect long as you serving in uniform active, reserve or Guard. What the POTUS is doing has nothing to with you influencing your troops and leading them. So I say put sum Gas in your ass get back to work accomplishing the mission. If it’s but hurting you that bad get out of the military and run for office and make a change….

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2022 6:20 PM

2022-03-12T18:20:17-05:00

If you are still serving, gotta behave. Like or not, it comes down to things like dissension,, moral and more that gets effected. Once out, say whatever you like and I can’t wait until that’s me.

Response by Frank Leverett made Mar 18 at 2022 2:44 PM

2022-03-18T14:44:01-04:00

While I'm not a veteran, I would think anyone in the service, and those who publicly show their affiliation with a branch, should remain professional, the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything" mantra. That said, I find it amazing that for four years, anyone bashing President Trump was "well within their rights to speak freely" but now we're ordered to "remain respectful" because it's now required?

Response by SFC Edna Madison made Mar 19 at 2022 2:02 AM

2022-03-19T02:02:40-04:00

It should never happen on social media apps because it undermined the person'd credibility with peers and other insiders and opens up vulnerabilities for outsiders that would do you and whomever harm when or if the occasion should arise. It's to your good to always try and maintain good manageable relationships with all people for the good of everyone concerned because this is a small world when it involves people. You don't need to be in their face because people are different but always seek to communicate well regardless of how the other acts out or reacts.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Mar 21 at 2022 1:50 PM

2022-03-21T13:50:49-04:00

this is AMERICA ANYTHING GOSES HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT HAVE HAPPON IN AMERICA AS OF TO DAY.

Response by PO2 Charity Keller made Mar 24 at 2022 4:14 PM

2022-03-24T16:14:04-04:00

No everyone is graniteed free speech in the constitution members of the military have to surrender some of the right. Respectful and comments with tact should be allowed but going out on social media and trying to start something or being verbally abusive is not allowed. Past presidents are still considered presidents and therefore subject to the same rules. It really shocked me how many people were Veterans active January 6 attack on the White House. Nobody has a right to attack our government especially those who served to protect it

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Apr 11 at 2022 4:54 PM

2022-04-11T16:54:48-04:00

I'm old fashioned and my real dad (killed by a DUI while on leave), taught me that you never bad mouth the President whether you like him (or her) ....it's the "White House" that you are disrespecting when you do that son....We all took an oath to protect all...and that include's the President....It's unprofessional to bad mouth them....That is my opinion.

Response by Cpl Tammy Hooper made Apr 13 at 2022 2:42 PM

2022-04-13T14:42:09-04:00

I feel that if the truth hurts maybe you should look at it. But the way it is presented, counts. Presidents are no exception. They are as capable of being wrong as everyone else. For example Mr. Trump's health insurance for all full-time employees. So now every entry-level person has to work two part-time jobs not get health insurance and barely make ends meet. It looks good on paper but the reality is not so great.

Response by Cpl Gunner Stout made Apr 17 at 2022 4:16 PM

2022-04-17T16:16:21-04:00

Egads - invited to respond to another ancient thread... But OK, I'll toss my two-cents in anyway.. and after 8 years, perhaps it's now an even more pertinent question.

Active duty requires some command deference, if for no other reason than UCMJ Article 89. I would propose however, that any veteran has earned a far greater first amendment right to exercise his opinion about anything (s)he wants, than just about anyone else. If we don't speak on behalf of those whom "discretion" is mandated (see article 89), who does?
Now, if you're concern is over how vitriolic some comments are, that's an entirely different "style" issue that pertains to how much credibility the individual reader gives the commenter.

Response by PFC John Wagenaar made Apr 18 at 2022 9:45 PM

2022-04-18T21:45:31-04:00

Part of the good thing of being a veteran, is the president is no longer in my chain of command, so I can voice whatever, and this president and a few others in the last 20 years are a result of broken system

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Apr 20 at 2022 7:41 AM

2022-04-20T07:41:28-04:00

Political opinion statements by active duty personnel are not allowed. Veterans (not active) are allowed to make any statements.

Response by SrA Scott Baer made Apr 22 at 2022 3:52 AM

2022-04-22T03:52:37-04:00

Does anyone at this point REALLY believe ANY of these presidents from Clinton onwards with the only exception being Trump, gives one hamster's left ass cheek about the military and whether we survive or annihilated??

Like or hate Trump, he is the rare exception to not only state his respect for us but proven by drastically improving military expenditure to protect us.. OBiden have proven their twisted hate for us with doing everything possible to deny our rights, FORCE vax that is being proven to not only advance adverse reactions but death, and decimate military spending and closing bases..The Clintons and Bush's also treated us as though we were toy soldiers and expendable...

Not only do I support bashing (only with facts of betrayal-not the simple name calling crap) these presidents but very much now feel they should be held accountable for their globalist swampturd support along with the lies we were fed to support their war lust.. Seriously, ANYONE believe they lost any sleep whatsoever to any of the coffins with Ole Glory draped over them.. OBiden are solely responsible for trannies, extreme race hate, and newbies being able to basically flip off/attitude an NCO with little to no penalties as discipline degrades rapidly..Anything to destroy the pride of patriotism in the military.. I personally have lost complete faith in everyone in this administration connected to the Pentagon or VA and have given up on my decades of back issues/surgery connected to service as believe I would get shafted. Waiting a few years now to hear anything back on disability (long accepted no guarantees), and even my VSO has disappeared..

Response by SPC David C. made Apr 25 at 2022 12:03 AM

2022-04-25T00:03:30-04:00

Dude, I'm out so I can say this with a smile on my face. 1ST AMMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY. I'll say what I want, when I want, how I want, because I want, about anyone I want. In uniform, yeah that's a no go, at least in front of the powers that be or outside of my room. As a veteran who has my DD-214 in hand? The White House and select members of Congress can go to hell. Now I'm not throwing on the old uniform, parading down the street screaming it. But if I chose to, there is nothing anyone could do about it except cite me for disturbing the peace or some violation of local ordinance like that.

Response by CPL Sheila Lewis made May 2 at 2022 1:00 PM

2022-05-02T13:00:24-04:00

don't do it.

Response by A1C Bernadette Sava made May 8 at 2022 12:31 AM

2022-05-08T00:31:26-04:00

Although the first Amendment should protect it, and we have a right to dislike anyone we want, it is sometimes best to keep it to yourself rather than posting it on social media since they aren't recognizing the first Amendment seemingly. Just because you sign a contract to join the military shouldn't mean you have no rights to voice your personal opinions.

Response by SSG(P) Jake Lewis made May 8 at 2022 10:04 AM

2022-05-08T10:04:46-04:00

Military personnel who publically criticize the sitting president as if they are an average citizen is wrong. Everybody know it and it's really not a debate. If you wear the uniform then you cannot voice contemptuous speech against the president. Separate what you believe is morally right and what is legally allowed. The military is supposed to be apolitical anyway. Veterans can say whatever they want and there's nothing wrong with it if they do. Imo society is way too fixated on our political views and to which party we side with. I think if you support either party at this point then you need to reasses.

Response by 1SG Michael Bonnett made May 8 at 2022 5:55 PM

2022-05-08T17:55:05-04:00

I am going to be very frank here. The cult status we give Presidents and politicians now is obscene compare to how this nation was founded and intended. I do not care what political party or President you want to mention.
The office of the President is a volunteer position and we even pick a spare when we pick the President. The nation should eliminate the Secret Service, get rid of the jets and armored sedans and remove the fencing around the White House and the Congress. They can take the risks like the rest of us. Why does any politician deserve more protection than any other citizen? All American citizens should be the same under the law and that is not the case now. It used to be.

The Secret Service should report criminal activity they witness, not hide it.

Common citizen used to be able to walk into the White House and call the President on the carpet for their actions, and it was the same with the Congress.

We either have freedom speech or we do not. Hiding the politicians behind barriers from citizens destroys free speech and freedom.

The picture used with the posted question is of a President who swore to recall our troops once he was elected and never did it. He did ask that the military court martial a sergeant who called him on it publicly.

That politician got my vote for his first election but not the second. He is unethical.

You get the government you put up with. I am reminded of other Presidents of both parties just as unethical.

If I ran the country for a day with the Congress in my pocket, I would remove the control of the military from the White House and place it in the Congress.

I would eliminate the UCMJ. We no longer go to war in wooden ships far from shore where commands take months to relay. All the UCMJ does is allow senior officers who commit crimes to get away with them.

The lie that calling crooks for what they are is “Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline" came from the 17th century and is naked before this era of cell phones, the Internet and common sense...

Last, the Secret Service takes an oath similar to ours.

They are violating it every day they fail to report to the Vice President, the Cabinet and Congress that the current President is mentally unfit to run the country any longer.

People may not like it but Vice President Harris should be the President right now. She ws picked as the spare.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made May 8 at 2022 7:30 PM

2022-05-08T19:30:46-04:00

Criticizing is elevated to a duty when POTUS becomes a clear and present danger to the country and our Constitution. You may well have a higher duty to render sacrifice.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made May 8 at 2022 8:07 PM

2022-05-08T20:07:35-04:00

Active duty people need to bite their tounge. You don't criticize your chain of command and the POTUS is at the top of that.
As a veteran you are afforded the right to freedom of speech which you fought for as a member of the armed forces. Believing your service eliminates your right to criticize politicians, regardless of office, is flatly wrong. If you choose to remain silent that is your right and we defended that right also.
I've heard that argument before but in about every case it seems it depended on which political party the person was from and the person being criticized.

Response by PO3 James Jackson made May 9 at 2022 12:20 PM

2022-05-09T12:20:20-04:00

i am a navy veteran. i have to respect the sitting president as commander in chief. but i don't respect him for how the country has gone down hill on his watch open borders,etc.

Response by CPL Bruce Ailiff made May 10 at 2022 8:30 AM

2022-05-10T08:30:12-04:00

Criticizing a Communist Party takeover of our Country should not be done with just words but also action to defend against the enemies within! As a Veteran who swore to defend this Country, up to and including with my life, I see absolutely NO reason that I have to pretend to have any allegiance to a President, or any political figure, that has the mind set to destroy our Country from within!
If you think I should just sit down and shut up , then you are also part of the problem and will be considered one of my domestic enemies when the shit hits the fan!

Response by PO1 Steven Cohan made May 10 at 2022 2:12 PM

2022-05-10T14:12:35-04:00

There's a lot about our current president that justifies negative commentary. Free speech is a foundation to our constitution which is in jeopardy for many right now. Regardless, casting negative commentary about anyone in the chain of command should never be done while in uniform or an official capacity as a representative of our country. However, your right to speak out as a private citizen should never be questioned either in a positive or negative light. Keep in mind there's a big difference between insult and criticism.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made May 10 at 2022 5:27 PM

2022-05-10T17:27:14-04:00

The Russia-Ukraine conflict explained... by Alexander Solzhenitsyn... in 1968
Alexander Solzhenitsyn's words in 1968 are living out their truth in 2022.
https://youtu.be/21vSAqSbe8s

The Russia-Ukraine conflict explained... by Alexander Solzhenitsyn... in 1968

Solzhenitsyn died in 2008, but I thought it was interesting that in many ways he predicted this conflict could happen, already in 1968, many years before the...

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made May 10 at 2022 8:40 PM

2022-05-10T20:40:52-04:00

"As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever."

Clarence Darrow

Response by Sgt Carl Fairbank made May 10 at 2022 9:50 PM

2022-05-10T21:50:25-04:00

You have to earn respect it isn't a given in the civilian world. The Obama and Bidden have not done anything of significance that warrant respect from the people of the USA. I am a vet and I understand that they were/are your Commander and Chief. Sure glad I don't any longer have to play that game.

Response by PO3 Robert Cassidy made May 11 at 2022 4:54 AM

2022-05-11T04:54:56-04:00

As a U.S. citizen, yes they should be free to do this. That said, they should not in any way represent
themselves as a member of the military. It is a reflection upon themselves of being disloyal to do this as a "member of the military."

Response by SGT Walt Pozgay made May 11 at 2022 2:35 PM

2022-05-11T14:35:58-04:00

I think there is a big difference between active duty service members and retirees/civilians, in this regard. I was taught (oh those many years ago) that I surrendered my right to free speech when I took the oath of enlistment. As long as I wore the uniform, I served the commander in chief, regardless of how I felt about him. I believe that should extend to social media, too. Once you’re a civilian again, speak your mind.

Response by PO3 Eugene Hildebrand made May 11 at 2022 7:24 PM

2022-05-11T19:24:28-04:00

When I was in uniform I was completely non-political. My belief is that then becomes a conflict of interest to vote or have an opinion concerning the politics and policies of the duly elected officials. I see both active duty and past service members commenting on policies and some of them bad mouthing the elected officials both in their official and personal life. To me this should never be done, if you do not have constructive criticism don't open your trap if all you can do is talk poorly of someone (often based on something you read on the internet or that someone else heard from someone else), DON'T.
Those that served however have more right than those who have not served to express their opinions on the job our leadership. NOT mudslinging, leave that to the politicians.

Response by SPC Melissa Lee made May 11 at 2022 8:31 PM

2022-05-11T20:31:50-04:00

As a veteran I have the freedom to express anything I wish. The first Amendment is protected to ALL Americans regardless of their job. With that said, if you are on active duty, you still must respect the office of Command of Chief.

Response by PO2 Kasey Kadinger made May 12 at 2022 6:54 AM

2022-05-12T06:54:33-04:00

I am watching the country I swore to defend being dragged to hell by an incompetent, morally bankrupt, and possibly illegally installed (2000 Mules) Commander Cheif.

I am a veteran, and I will not be quiet because the military leadership has been purged of patriots and replaced by Traitors like Milley, who openly said he would lend aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States.

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made May 12 at 2022 8:55 AM

2022-05-12T08:55:20-04:00

I served under 5 presidents. Some I liked, some I despised. It’s ok to criticize a president while in the military, within limits. If you want to put out a Facebook or twitter rant doing it in a disrespectful obnoxious manner, expect backlash. Disagreement doesn’t have to disrespectful.

Response by SPC Cathy Santos made May 12 at 2022 10:15 AM

2022-05-12T10:15:14-04:00

Depends whether you’re in uniform or not? It also depends on the context? Small minded people bash and critics the person, and those with intellect with critique the policy or other agendas set by the office - not the person? People who call names to the President will do the same to their spouses and children! It’s a matter of respect for one’s self! If they have no respect for themselves they will not have respect for others no matter who it is? That’s one of the underlying issues with racism? It’s for the small minded who can figure the simple facts make make humans - One! Somehow some have been taught the ignorance that color makes a human different and less than - that’s stupid, but for those who believe it, they will die on that premise.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made May 12 at 2022 1:06 PM

2022-05-12T13:06:54-04:00

I Notice This Is A Post From 01/02/2014,
But The Same Issue Applies To This Day.
In My Personal Opinion,
We Need To Respect The Presidents Position,
But Not Necessarily His Actions;
And We Not Only "Should" Comment,
I'd Highly Recommend It.
We Should Not Be Prevented Simply Due To His Being
"The Commander-In-Chief".
ESPECIALLY During Trump's Administration.

Response by SSgt Christopher Spanhake made May 12 at 2022 3:35 PM

2022-05-12T15:35:11-04:00

I retired with only seven years in but if I hadn't I would resigned when my time was up I all ways say respect the position but you don't have to respect the man hurt twice and they gave me a medical.

Response by SSG Adrian Walker made May 12 at 2022 5:12 PM

2022-05-12T17:12:17-04:00

I have always kept the same thing in my mind when I joined the U.S.Army, I Saluted the Rank and I followed the instructions and orders of my superiors. That includes the office of the President. You don't have to like the person, but part of your job is to defend your country and take orders from your President. This means no trash talking, the 1st amendment has no bearing.

Response by Sue Jolley made May 12 at 2022 5:31 PM

2022-05-12T17:31:18-04:00

It’s called Freedom of Speech.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2022 11:31 PM

2022-05-12T23:31:18-04:00

I would have to say that regardless of how you feel about the commander in chief your opinions should be kept to yourself. While it is understandable to not agree with every decision that is made by him/her at the end of the day it is a respect and professionalism factor. In the same way I except all enlisted soldier to salute me and respect my commission as an officer, I believe that it is the duty of every soldier to respect the position that the people of this country have given to our commander in chief.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2022 11:31 PM

2022-05-12T23:31:27-04:00

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made May 13 at 2022 11:29 AM

2022-05-13T11:29:07-04:00

Respectful criticism of leaders is every citizens right and as military members, our charge is to exercise this right responsibly. Duty, honor and core values must define us!

Response by MSgt Karen Stewart made May 13 at 2022 9:09 PM

2022-05-13T21:09:49-04:00

You should still respect the position. Respecting the person is earned, or not.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 13 at 2022 10:37 PM

2022-05-13T22:37:10-04:00

The United States has never been in a situation like this where the Speaker, VP & POTUS openly supported 2019-2020 BLM and ANTIFA demonstrators that were attacking cities, police departments and the United States Military with impunity. Both of these paramilitary organizations are openly anti-American in their chartering documents, yet DOJ is not prosecuting the correct people.

We are experiencing censorship that has never been practiced on the scale and scope we are seeing. Focus on your mission statement and don’t get caught with unfortunate electronic comments that cannot be rescinded. The life expectancy of any electronic message is INFINITY.

Law Enforcement and Military members cannot fight back because the same elected leaders were allegedly put into places of SPECIAL TRUST AND CONFIDENCE by the number of ballots counted in the election.

Our criticism of them is not in our job description, so don’t do it.

Response by SSG James N. made May 14 at 2022 8:51 AM

2022-05-14T08:51:53-04:00

OK, Fuck Obama...no wait...Fuck Carter, Clinton, Obama, and Biden. Remember Iran, remember Waco and Ruby Ridge where women and children were not only targeted but outright murdered. In Waco, enough CS was used to not only kill, but ignite a fire that would urn all evidence. Fuck the guy who allowed subprime loans since Carter, but made it worse. Fuck Joe Biden because people now cannot get free USDA boxes of food under farm subsidies and gas is through the oof while Biden' buddy Buffet and BNFA make billions transporting oil by rail.
Now lets talk about the globalist NWO fuckers named Bush...
Oh wait, but who is the biggest propagator of propaganda and Fake news? THE US government in general. Wake up bitches and smell the fucked up coffee. Salty? just a bit. For 50 years I have watched dirtbags try to ruin our great nation. I'm done. Watch now as the government pushes antifa and BLM to do their bullshit again, but not this time.This time they go down if they want to start a street war

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made May 14 at 2022 11:06 AM

2022-05-14T11:06:36-04:00

I gave 21 years of my life to God and country with people telling me everything I could or couldn’t do. Eat, sleep, go to the crapper and everything in between. People get on social media all the time and glorify the president yet, you’re not allowed to speak ill of him. He’s not God. He doesn’t live on a pedestal. If he’s not fulfilling his responsibility, he needs to know it. Telling people they can’t talk bad about the president is just another form of trying to silence the people. If I feel the president is a POS, it’s my job to allow my thoughts to me known. Damned if you can have it your way but, not allow me to have it my way.

Response by CPT Jay Ward made May 14 at 2022 3:41 PM

2022-05-14T15:41:32-04:00

A veteran has put in his/her time and yes it is their 1sr Amendment right to state their view concerning leadership.

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made May 15 at 2022 7:22 AM

2022-05-15T07:22:56-04:00

There's two different questions here. Someone who is a veteran is not held to the same directives and regulations as soldiers (or go wide, armed forces personnel in general).

Active, Reserve, and Guard people still on watch: There are articles that cover the use of disrespect for superior officers, of which the President (the commander-in-chief of all of the armed forces) is one. No, they should not be allowed to. It is the ultimate disrespect.

Veterans: As far as being a veteran goes, I will criticize our president, other elected leaders, commissioned or warrant officers, or anyone else as I see fit. There isn't jack q. sh*t you can do about it. If you think otherwise, I welcome the test. Further, I don't care if it hurts your feelings. This is one of my many rights, and guaranteeing those rights are why we served in the first place. People are going to "attack" "your" president, and you're going to have to suck it up and accept the fact that not everyone will like what he or she does.

But I will do it with taste and tact - because the military taught me to do that. So, don't be a little b**ch. Respond to intelligent discourse intelligently.

Response by SGT Brandon Culpepper made May 15 at 2022 9:18 AM

2022-05-15T09:18:38-04:00

While in uniform and all posting over social media for attention is wrong as two left shoes and must corrected appropriately. As a retired veteran I, like many of you, have earned the right to say whatever I damn well please. What I don’t have the right to do is violently protest or infiltrate our capital building because “my cowardice impeached guy lost but didn’t lose.” Those veterans need to be punished more appropriately.

Response by SSG David Angell made May 15 at 2022 9:18 PM

2022-05-15T21:18:02-04:00

1st Amendment..Freedom of speech. Criticizing a President is OK, to an extent.
I criticize the President on his policies, or lack of, when it comes to National Security, the Economy, etc. The high prices of fuel, and the illegal immigrant status. The disregard to the American people.
But to criticize him on his mental stability, or lack of, isn't really necessary. He can do that on his own. He doesn't need other people to do it for him.
Now with that being said. What gives him the right to chastise the American people, for not agreeing with his policies. Basically calling anyone who disagrees with him, home grown terrorists.
Giving food, money and other amenities to other countries. To illegal Immigrants, such as baby formula/food and money to live on, while the American family is fighting for survival to feed and house their family.
Everyone has an opinion. You just heard mine.

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made May 15 at 2022 9:25 PM

2022-05-15T21:25:46-04:00

If still on active duty I would not publicly criticize the President or the administration. As a veteran and retiree I am free to say what I want about the President or anyone in the administration. I earned that right!!

Response by SP5 Devon Hand made May 16 at 2022 11:27 PM

2022-05-16T23:27:49-04:00

Here's is the problem with this question. The military could care less what you think. Personally, the ranks do command climate surveys about their immediate leadership. The ranks do not have a say who their commander in chief is. As far as veterans go. They have done their time and they have earned the right to say whatever they want as citizens.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made May 17 at 2022 8:57 PM

2022-05-17T20:57:21-04:00

These days its a real challenge, I respect the office however, that's it in 2022

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2022 8:47 PM

2022-05-18T20:47:41-04:00

Just for clarification, are you asking about the hundreds of active and retired Admirals and Generals that openly criticize the Commander in Chiefs (former and present) on a daily basis?

Response by SPC Joe Sullivan made May 21 at 2022 10:17 AM

2022-05-21T10:17:29-04:00

Veterans have earned that right. But active duty from officers to enlisted should remember chief and commander doesn't matter who is in office you took the oath to obey the orders

Response by PO1 Charles Smith made May 22 at 2022 8:30 PM

2022-05-22T20:30:07-04:00

While a member of any of our armed forces, ANY disrespect to those above us is not only a violation of the UCMJ, but a dumb thing to do. However, if you do it with respect and dignity, you can basically describe a problem you see (w/o mentioning names or positions) AND suggest how the problem could be corrected. It does more in the long run than name calling and bashing. If you are slinging mud and serving up baloney, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
on the other hand if you are no longer in service, feel free to speak as you wish, just remember that you can choose to be part of the solution, or simply get your feelings out and contribute to the mess.
I remember using this technique with a Navy LT. I spent 45 minutes explaining things to him. When he left, the Electrical Operator told me that he is going to realize that you basically called him an idiot 2 hours from now. Sure enough, when I got off watch he cornered me and thanked me for the feedback, but not to take the long way around next time.

Response by SGT Mike Murphy made Jun 5 at 2022 12:43 PM

2022-06-05T12:43:04-04:00

I served only 6 years on active duty and was discharged as a Sergeant E-5 more than 40 years ago. I was an average GI. Nothing special or heroic. Based on my service I think I can say what I think; however, I still refrain from directly criticizing our CIC online or on any social media. I believe to be critical of a man when he cannot respond directly to me is just not appropriate or professional. I served under Presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter. I respect them all but do not necessarily agree with what they did for and to the military during their time in office. As for the current occupant I will reserve comment.

Response by SFC David Drury made Jun 6 at 2022 12:44 AM

2022-06-06T00:44:07-04:00

I didnt appreciate the fact that Clinton took all ours assets away before operation rescue ranger on Oct 03 in Somalia.. when he came to Ft Drum.. i just didnt go. He was the commander in chief. So i just kept my mouth shut

Response by SrA Oscar Gray made Jun 7 at 2022 2:39 PM

2022-06-07T14:39:04-04:00

As an aside, how about all of the confederate flags that came out at Army posts when Trump was president. I remember them well at Ft. Lee Virginia.

Response by PO2 Tom Hauser made Jun 13 at 2022 5:16 PM

2022-06-13T17:16:29-04:00

Veterans have the right to speak freely - we earned it - Obama was a piece of Democrat shit that never earned my respect and no friend of America like that cluster fuck Biden and his regime now in office - that is documented history! However, if I was in still in uniform and under the UCMJ the position of Commander-In-Chief is in my chain of command. So, while you may not respect that person you had better give the position of POTUS the military courtesy it requires. Privately, in or out of uniform no one can tell you what to think or believe, that is what makes freedom loving American veterans who are trained military fighters so very dangerous to a political party with its sycophant media cadre that is now trying to censor free speech, disarm law abiding citizens while providing you with a narrative you are suppose to believe and follow with no questions asked. If you don't drink their Kool-Aid they will sick politicized and weaponized federal agencies on your asses; if you object to Biden's open border which threatens our national security-border security-public safety then DHS will call you a domestic terrorist according to its latest bulletin; if you don't support the outcome of the 2020 election and suspect that the Dominion voting machines were rigged, Trump votes were not counted or shit canned, and thousands of Democrat mules with illegal Biden ballots stuffed Democrat controlled polling sites then you are a domestic terrorist according to Democrats and the Fake News Media; if you objected to the Democrat proxy domestic terrorist groups like ANTIFA and BLM that engaged in insurrections, lootings, riots, arsons, murders and criminal assaults of law enforcement officers and innocent civilians, and mass destruction of public and private property in cities across the country for over a year then according to Democrats you must be the real domestic terrorists; if you think that indoctrinating the military on Marxist racist propaganda called Critical Race Theory is a bad idea for military morale and creates division in the ranks and racial tension then you must be a domestic terrorist and not a team player according to JCOS at the Pentagon; so in the final analysis as a father of a SOF CENTCOM Wounded Warrior (Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan) and as a veteran who spent 1967-1969 in Vietnam - my input would be if you are in uniform you give the position of POTUS the required military courtesy that office and that position in the chain of command rates no questions asked and you keep your mouth shut and your opinions private - but privately you sure to hell don't have to "respect" anyone unless they earn that respect. After you get that Honorable Discharge get involved with a Veterans organization and support those veterans and their families in your community. Meanwhile don't drink the fucking Kool-Aid - America, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and our freedom are worth fighting for and defending!

Response by PO3 Rick Smith made Jun 15 at 2022 11:02 PM

2022-06-15T23:02:34-04:00

YES!

Response by PO3 Jim Polichak made Jun 16 at 2022 10:56 PM

2022-06-16T22:56:05-04:00

Respect the office but the man himself must earn our respect. I served under Ford (active) and Carter (inactive reserve). I easily respected both of them. Both in the Navy as I was.
i respect both Obama and Biden though neither served.
As for Trump, I give him as much respect as he gave John McCain.

Response by 1SG Chip Perretta made Jun 17 at 2022 9:44 AM

2022-06-17T09:44:06-04:00

A criticism is a manifestation of a negative personal opinion. We often criticized out senior NCOs and the officers above us. If you know of any service member who has never "griped" about someone in their chain of command, I'd have to politely call you a big prevaricator (liar.) Last time I knew, the Commander in Chief was a member of the Chain of Command. In my 20 years I've known plenty of senior personnel whose primary concern was, of course the mission, but never at the cost of unnecessary sacrifice of their troops. I suggest that the author of this post is not aware that the present POTUS unnecessarily put 13 service members in such jeopardy, that they lost their lives. In other words, a senior member in the Chain of Command, was negligent and should be at the very least be subject to vehement speech from other service members. Imagine a 1st Lt. or a Captain being negligent and causing the loos of lives of his or her troops!

Response by CPT Deborah Ver Beek made Jun 17 at 2022 1:11 PM

2022-06-17T13:11:12-04:00

Present CIC is destroying our country and does not deserve respect 06/17/2022

Response by PO2 Ronald Wolfe made Jun 17 at 2022 3:27 PM

2022-06-17T15:27:08-04:00

It's called Freedom of Speech. We have every right, just like liberals did to Reagan & Trump. Will slick Willy was acting president, he closed every base I was stationed at. All were around since WWII & has weakened America's strength when closed. Obama was worse, followed by Biden, to be the worse president, ever.

Response by MSgt Michael Pisani made Jun 17 at 2022 6:43 PM

2022-06-17T18:43:46-04:00

Who better to pose questions about the CINC????

Response by SPC Charles Sewell made Jun 18 at 2022 6:32 PM

2022-06-18T18:32:32-04:00

Respect the office not the man. There are many presidents and policies I may not agree with but I always respect the office and I remember that Americans fought and died to protect that office. As a citizen and trained member of the US armed forces, I stand ready to protect and defend it to this day.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Jun 18 at 2022 11:55 PM

2022-06-18T23:55:33-04:00

No problem with criticizing. As long as it has some merit as a legitimate critique, debatable issue, objective argument, etc etc etc
I don't especially go for harangue just for harangue's sake. ie having no debatable merit. I would apply to the expressions of opinions too.

Response by SFC Thomas Davis made Jun 19 at 2022 6:00 PM

2022-06-19T18:00:38-04:00

So if the "Commander in Chief" has no regard for his duty to support and defend the Constitution and violates it on the regular, then shouldn't we be bringing charges and/or refusing to follow unconstitutional orders? Or do we just follow orders and use that as our excuse when the political prisoners are rounded up and sent to the gulag?

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Jun 19 at 2022 7:46 PM

2022-06-19T19:46:24-04:00

I feel everyone has the right to freedom of speech. However, disgraceful remarks about our President only makes that person small and hurts our country. I have an idea, why don’t republicans and democrats support 100% the commander for three years then work to select the right person on the fourth year. I know weird concept get along.

Response by LCpl Charles Reynolds made Jun 19 at 2022 11:10 PM

2022-06-19T23:10:14-04:00

I've come to realize there are people cut to be Commander & Chief and there are those who don't. I've long held the office of the President should a business. Unfortunately I have a President that lacks both qualities. Business and smart's. I didn't vote for him and I want to thank all those that made the mistake of doing so. Basicly our government is a business, it takes a person with business smarts to do the job right. Also the the Congress and Senate shouldn't be a career. Terms limits should be in place.

Response by SSgt Leo Hentrich made Jun 20 at 2022 11:47 AM

2022-06-20T11:47:05-04:00

The lemmings will follow each other over the cliff so does it really need to be discussed? The fact that we have elected lemmings is our own fault. Mad Dog could have changed the course of history and reset the "end of the empire" countdown, but he didn't and I'm reluctantly glad that he didn't. There are not enough leaders in the military to understand and appreciate what really happened so perhaps it is best that they feel and see the flames and hopefully it burns an indelible scar into their collective memory how close we are to losing to the republic to enemies from within.

It's funny how we all go to Leadership courses to learn how to be a better follower and then chastise each other for "failure to lead."
For all the "Type A" NCOs whose heads just exploded; I am not advocating anarchy or disobedience, merely trying to pique your mentality so that you don't reach ROAD (Retired on Active Duty) and realize that you are part of an empire that was once revered and feared as the guardian's of democracy around the world, but now looked upon with dismay as our military leaders and congress hold heated debates about which signs to hang on a latrine so as not to offend the "butt pirates."

It's painful to watch and listen to "leaders" argue while developing operating manuals and regulations about which person is the sponsor and who is the dependent in a same-sex marriage of two Active Duty soldiers enrolling in DEERS or applying for housing and benefits.

When you consider our all volunteer forces are pulled from the lowest income households and (still) tend to score lowest on intelligence scales and highest on personality disorders (according to information collected for an inquiry by the JCS),
it speaks highly of our ability to achieve greatness through adversity. Let's just hope that we are able to overcome this latest spate of idiocy that threatens our republic and get back to the matters of national security and world dominance.

Response by Forrest Adams made Jun 21 at 2022 1:36 AM

2022-06-21T01:36:31-04:00

I never felt the need to criticize a sitting US President, but then again, I (A Christian , gun owner) have never been attacked or have been tried to put on the DHS Domestic Terrorists list by a sitting US President either. So....

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Jun 21 at 2022 3:12 PM

2022-06-21T15:12:08-04:00

I don't know what the environment is for Senior NCOs and what is perceived and actual as far as professionalism. I do not have a FB or any other, but this, for a social media account. Those who know me, know me, but I would never let my personal opinion on political issues be addressed while amongst subordinates. I would also restrict talking of politics in the ranks during formations, platoon or company events, and would discourage it. If my views did not align with the current POTUS, I would not say anything. Politics now days creates divisiveness, and leaders at any level who allow these discussions in ranks are allowing division amongst their troops. Unfortunately, with all of the info one wants or needs in their hand, that is a difficult task.
As far as Veterans go, when I was a kid, even though I always supported our military, I despised all of the Vietnam War protestors, but the ONLY groups I supported were veterans groups. They did what their country called on them to do, they got shot up, crippled, maimed, watch their friends get killed and brutalized, they earned the right to protest. Veterans no longer have that chain of command, nor do they have a command guidance to follow, so YES, they earned every right to say or do what they feel, within boundaries of the law.

Response by SFC Mike Wilkins made Jun 21 at 2022 7:31 PM

2022-06-21T19:31:10-04:00

I am an American and I have a right to express my opinion just like any other American. I will still do my duty no matter what. Even if it is the one I voted for or not. I don’t care about anyone else’s opinion. My opinion carries one vote just like any other officer or commander. And as an American I have the legal right to express my opinion just like anyone else.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Jun 24 at 2022 2:26 AM

2022-06-24T02:26:24-04:00

active duty or reserve. you cannot publicly express political preferences. much less direct criticism of the commander in chief ... it's that simple

Response by SP5 Joe Hiddenname made Jun 26 at 2022 8:41 AM

2022-06-26T08:41:57-04:00

Underneath the uniform is a person with a mind of their own. I'm sure the government would like to control our thoughts too. So, it is OK with me.

Response by SGT Breck Wilson made Jun 30 at 2022 1:49 PM

2022-06-30T13:49:10-04:00

Far as personal still under any for of current military contract, I personally believe it would still be liable to UCMJ actions and against regulations. Now veterans on the other hand are free, per the 1st amendment to say anything they feel. Personally I'm glad I'm a veteran and no longer active as this current administration has no problem violating individual rights even constitutionally protected one's. They also like Obama have no problem leaving US citizens and military personnel to be slathered and have no understanding or care for No Man Left Behind!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2022 5:36 PM

2022-07-06T17:36:59-04:00

I only talk bad about presidents who lie, rape, steal, and lead insurrections ;-)!

Response by COL Jim Lincoln made Jul 7 at 2022 1:13 AM

2022-07-07T01:13:14-04:00

OK but.....
My career,the Vietnam era (I served 32 months there) most dont realize we had 4 Presidents who were draft dodgers-Clinton,Bush ,Trump and yes Biden. They all got deferments for college,but that ran out in 68,so they all used different schemes to avoid draft (and Vietnam ) If you want the story on each,let me know

Response by SPC James Black made Jul 13 at 2022 8:04 AM

2022-07-13T08:04:52-04:00

In my heart it is hard to respect some people because of the hurt they put on their ( our ) people but the office is wants makes him ( or her) our Commander-N- Chief, respect the Office.

Response by PFC Douglas Stroup made Jul 18 at 2022 12:50 AM

2022-07-18T00:50:13-04:00

In the military keep your mouth shut. 20 year plus be careful. Veteran 1st amendment.

Response by MSG Pat SingR made Jul 28 at 2022 11:19 AM

2022-07-28T11:19:57-04:00

Let's put it this way. We swore to protect the Constitution of the United States, and those people died before us. If anyone does not follow and respect that, I have the right to let them know how I feel about it. You can call me unprofessional or not, but I will not stand aside while people burn our nation's flag and trash our Freedom. Otherwise, you are just another puppet.

Response by Sgt John Acuna made Jul 29 at 2022 12:50 PM

2022-07-29T12:50:26-04:00

I served during Viet Nam conflict and I never criticized president Johnson or president Nixon I did not like some of stuff coming down but I was disciplined enough to keep comments to myself but with biden you can’t help but criticize him he is an old man trying to do a younger man’s job and is failure to a great extent I will stop there

Response by SGT John Prolo made Aug 1 at 2022 12:33 PM

2022-08-01T12:33:25-04:00

I'm a combat veteran...he's a moron! I think the military has bigger fish to fry. You let mental illness enter the military, specifically Transgender! And you're complaining about someone expressing their disdain for some incompetent boob that is backed by leftists. You must want your soldiers to be deaf, blind and dumb.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2022 9:06 AM

2022-08-02T09:06:23-04:00

I served 25 years as an enlisted Marine and Airmen before I retired from the AF Reserve and 2 years later commissioned into the Army Reserve. As a serving officer, I abided by Art. 88 - and advised my friends in and out of uniform that I would not openly bad mouth a sitting President. With 35 years in uniform, I retired Sep 21 and even though no holds are barred, I find myself still hesitating to speak openly or directly about the current resident of the Oval Office. Not because I agree with, appreciate or accept anything he or his 2d have done for and/or against this nation but because I've learned that you can't fix stupid and that those who elected the current Administration refuse to accept truth and fact when they see it. I do believe Karma is a B--CH and that 46 & Co will have it bite them in their FPOC. You must respect the Office. The Man or Woman holding that office must Earn it.

Response by SPC Ron Salsbury made Aug 11 at 2022 1:41 PM

2022-08-11T13:41:49-04:00

Active duty should never be allowed to openly and publicly announce their personal opinions of the Commander in Chief, they are your chain of command. The one and only time anyone should voice their opinion is; refusing to execute said order if it is unlawful / unconstitutional, then and only then should they be allowed to criticize their Commander in Chief without reprisal.

Response by SP5 Walter Hull made Aug 19 at 2022 2:08 PM

2022-08-19T14:08:38-04:00

The president should be respected

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Aug 20 at 2022 12:05 PM

2022-08-20T12:05:22-04:00

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God). If you are openly criticizing the president of the United States as a leader can you be trusted to carry out the orders you disagree with? Just my opinion.

Response by CPL Clarence Main made Aug 31 at 2022 1:19 AM

2022-08-31T01:19:16-04:00

You need to respect the office not the man in it

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Aug 31 at 2022 9:56 AM

2022-08-31T09:56:24-04:00

If your in uniform No, or your still active it's not the right thing to do. But once your out and become a civilian then thats becomes free speech.Thats my take on it.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Aug 31 at 2022 4:13 PM

2022-08-31T16:13:26-04:00

Really, this is a question?? A Veteran is a person who served in the military. An active duty person is one who is NOW service in the military. Both are American citizens and have the right to criticize the President for his policies; however, neither can make threats to harm the President. President Smith is a two-faced liar and total scumbag. I will vote against him and support his opponent in the next election. That is my right.

Response by PFC Robert Marciante made Sep 2 at 2022 7:52 PM

2022-09-02T19:52:30-04:00

FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Seems like All government officials put limits on the Constitution.

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made Sep 23 at 2022 11:50 AM

2022-09-23T11:50:46-04:00

As a 100% service connected disabled vet, I am deeply ashamed of some of the ways our government is being run. I feel the Office of the President deserves respect. Those in uniform should always be honnorable. If anyone in the Service is disrespectful to those in the chain of command they need to be retrained .

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Oct 2 at 2022 9:17 AM

2022-10-02T09:17:14-04:00

We have to understand that we all have the to free speech. Yes Soliders, Veterans, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines have right to disagree with the commander in chief. But, we have to do it in a way where are not violating that free speech. If we are not violating that then its ok. If we follow the rules on posting and social media part then its fine. Once you cross that line then you have no choice to take it to whoever it needs to be taken too.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Oct 4 at 2022 12:53 PM

2022-10-04T12:53:09-04:00

I expect you to honor your oath as a military member.. as a retiree, it's none of my business. It's a constitutional right as a civilian to criticize whom I want regardless of others' tears!! This is the problem nowadays, people worrying about what others are saying and then crying when they themselves are put on the spot for being hypocrites.

Response by CPT Robert Hampton made Oct 6 at 2022 1:40 AM

2022-10-06T01:40:11-04:00

I was/am a Signal Officer, a DAC Education and Training Officer, and a computer systems administrator. I have served 33 years in/with the army. One of my last duties was systems security for a 400+ user network. My post suffered over 20,000 intrusions into our computer systems monthly before I retired. I studied communism and communist insurgency. My commanders did not want my opinion, they wanted factual assessments.

The evidence of vote fraud is overwhelming. No commander I ever worked for wanted "yes men," they wanted good factual advice. If there was massive vote fraud that resulted in a usurper / pretender in a command position, do we just roll over and acquiesce?

Do we put our heads down and ignore the evidence? Do we just follow orders?

We are obligated to follow only legal orders. Much is changing in the military in past 20 years. Do we go to training and accept whatever is presented or do we think about what is correct versus a political "party line?"

MG McInerney, former COS of the Air Force, and MG Flynn, the chief security officer for the army, as well as CIA and other whistle blowers have provided sound evidence of fraud. We we just polish our brass and ignore it?

When Bill Clinton approved the sale of missile guidance technology to Red China, I asked in a staff meeting what we officers should do? Not one officer had an affirmative course of action. It appears to have only gotten worse. We see the military being weakened almost daily. Is there any who remember their oath to defend the constitution?
Are we following a legally installed government?

Want , need evidence of fraud? Take the time to view these videos at the links below. Also be sure to view D’Souza’s excellent documentary, “2,000 Mules.”

The incontrovertible evidence is in the last 30 minutes of “Absolute Proof” in which intrusions into the automated voting machines are tracked by date, time, IP address, MAC address, method of intrusion, and action accomplished (which was switching Trump votes to Biden or adding Biden votes).

Stolen elections have consequences. As long as we continue with computerized voting machines and mail out/in ballots our voting system is broken.

The BIG question is why neither the Supreme Court nor Congress are hearing the evidence and nullifying Electoral votes from states with fraudulent voting.

This refusal to act on behalf of citizens is one of the grievances against King George III listed in our Declaration of Independence.

By the standard of the Declaration, both Congress and the Court are in a state of tyranny. Do we remain mute and use the Eichmann defense, "I vas only following orders." This did not work at Nürnberg. Will it work here in the future?

http://www.wvwtv.com/proof

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/tv/video/mike-lindell-presents-absolutely-9-0

Absolute Proof | Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Oct 8 at 2022 4:48 AM

2022-10-08T04:48:29-04:00

In vs out of uniform or possible other military trappings. In = no; out of = let it all hang out.

Response by SPC Jennifer Clever made Oct 18 at 2022 5:53 AM

2022-10-18T05:53:31-04:00

Soldiers no. Veterans yes. If the service member is still on active duty, Reserve or national guard they should not be. He is their Commander in Chief. Veterans however can say whatever they like. That is, after all, the point of serving to protect and defend the Constitution. That is my right. Did anyone question it when there was a different President?

Response by LCDR Roger Hoover made Oct 19 at 2022 9:58 PM

2022-10-19T21:58:50-04:00

Being part of the solution not part of the problem is a good tactic. When criticizing, be specific to the points of disagreement and when possible, provide a rational solution. There is nothing wrong with having a different point of view and good leaders welcome constructive input on all sides. This technique is essential when dealing with a poor leader that holds an office such as the President. The office is respected and protected while the person is challenged and possibly exposed. People can always be replaced however not the integrity of the office.

Response by CA Jonathan Mann made Oct 21 at 2022 3:46 PM

2022-10-21T15:46:20-04:00

Whether it is Biden or Trump, or previous presidents, they are all open to criticism, although there is an unwritten rule that upper echelon flag officers are to remain neutral. Those who do not will suffer the same fate as General Douglas MacArthur who clashed with Truman, even though he was right.

Response by CA Jonathan Mann made Oct 21 at 2022 3:47 PM

2022-10-21T15:47:36-04:00

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made Oct 21 at 2022 8:03 PM

2022-10-21T20:03:27-04:00

We must respect the office even if we detest the person occupying it at the time. The Iraq and Afghanistan withdrawals were a kick in the teeth for many of us but we have to serve this nation no matter what.

Response by Lt Col Leslie Bryant made Oct 22 at 2022 4:21 AM

2022-10-22T04:21:25-04:00

I strongly believe that active duty military should be professional, focused on duty to country, remain apolitical and stay out of politics! In Latin America, military do not vote. Having been a hostage for 6 months each as a child in the 1970s in military coupes in Peru and Libya under Ghaddafi, I chose military service in hopes of insuring no American would ever be held hostage. I chose not to vote, remained apolitical and out of politics during 28 years of USAF military service and supported every Commander in Chief. I think what is now problematic is that many Generals are not willing to fade into the night after retirement but feel they need to be politically active. I am opposed to that and wished they would just quietly retire. As the Pentagon and Generals become more political, I am now triggered by comments these individuals make which often aren't necessary or welcome and feel the need to often speak out against them. Frankly if you couldn't say it in the military then why say it now! Do we have freedom of speech? Yes, active duty and retired military have freedom of speech and are entitled to freedom of speech! But should they use it is another matter!

Response by SSG James N. made Oct 22 at 2022 9:24 AM

2022-10-22T09:24:23-04:00

Active military officers and enlisted can get in trouble too easily doing this.
In the public forum when free speech is used to call out grievances, it matters not if public officials are scorned and berated. This is part of free speech, and public officials need thick skins because they will be the target of harsh language.
We veterans have no rules over what we say under free speech. Active military, not in uniform, off base, holds many of the same abilities, but you have to watch for those weak middle managers who will call you out

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Oct 22 at 2022 10:43 AM

2022-10-22T10:43:57-04:00

Social media is a good and bad way to express your opinions. Everyone has the right to express your thoughts. There are times though you need to keep your opinions to yourself. I served so everyone can have the freedoms allowed us. I respect my superiors and the titles of those in charge. I do not necessarily respect the person themselves. I swore an oath and too many forgot what it says. We may need to revisit it and read it over again

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Oct 22 at 2022 7:52 PM

2022-10-22T19:52:39-04:00

Your post made me aware that we didn't have these issues to deal with back in my days, at least not on a full national and world wide awareness as it is today. I can't even comprehend what I would do if I was in the military today. I took an oath to protect this country from any and all, does that include a corrupt government or administration?. Exactly what does that mean anymore today? I suppose the "if" question for today should be, did you sign up to give your life for this country or didn't you?

Response by PO2 Dave Cutsinger made Oct 22 at 2022 11:29 PM

2022-10-22T23:29:34-04:00

I’ve said it before and likely on this post years ago. Any veteran who encourages an active duty member to criticize the commander in chief should be ashamed of themselves. Period. We’ve all served under crappy presidents that we didn’t agree with, but we did our duty regardless. As service members we signed away any rights we had as citizens of this country and are subject only to what congress deems are our rights and in what form. Freedom of speech included. Now that we’re out we have regained our rights as citizens and are free to express them, regardless of how distasteful they may appear to anyone and everyone else. Frankly as a veteran I feel more empowered to speak up when I see our commanders in chief acting unpresidential. However, leave the active duty members out of it. Demonstrate a modicum of the honor you served with and do not encourage a service member to dishonor themselves.

Response by CMSgt George Roof made Oct 23 at 2022 11:23 AM

2022-10-23T11:23:15-04:00

I am extremely disappointed in some of you veteranscwho either never read the words in your oaths of enlistment/commissioning, or simple dint comprehend the English language. It states tat you swear to " SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AND BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME." It the states that you will OBEY the orders of the President and those appointed over you. There is not one single word in that oath where I swore to bear allegiance to any President. As such, for anyone to question me on honoring that lifelong oath is both insulting and an admission of your own ignorance.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2022 3:40 PM

2022-10-23T15:40:43-04:00

Simon Black, of Sovereign Man, writes the following, which is a necessary read for us to understand just how harmful the democrats have been to our military and our country:
I have pointed out the ridiculous and traitorous actions by Gen. Mark Milley that has caused much harm to our military

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Oct 23 at 2022 9:38 PM

2022-10-23T21:38:27-04:00

From what history tell us, even Hitler's troops held various opinions about him, and though few probably openly criticized der Furher some of his general officers tried to make him kaputt. I had a very low opinion of Nixon as C-in-C, and probably said some negative things about him too -- but I never tried to overthrow him or his administration, or did anything treasonable. Don't think so, anyway. But I can never rubber-stamp 'approval' on any politico, Prez or not. I M Humble O.

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Oct 23 at 2022 10:04 PM

2022-10-23T22:04:21-04:00

While on active duty respecting the president is part of the job good bad or indifferent. Retired your free to speak our mind. In my case I stayed on duty for an extra 6 months so that my retirement paperwork would reflect Bush 2;s signature rather than Clinton's

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Oct 23 at 2022 10:52 PM

2022-10-23T22:52:06-04:00

To the wife and non military friends and family while active or reserve ( including Guard ) sure why not . To other military personnel and junior troops NO it's not OK . As for After retirement or end of service . Say what you want to whom ever you please . While in service there is and should be a limit on free speech to avoid undue influence by seniors and command . After you are no longer in service and yes that includes retired you are no longer under such an obligation or limitation .

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Oct 24 at 2022 1:19 AM

2022-10-24T01:19:07-04:00

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts”.
As long as criticism is based on logic and facts, it is great. But repeating conspiracy theories with no evidence is not good regardless of whether you are in the service or not.
Have facts when you share a criticism with someone.

Response by CPO James Harrison made Oct 24 at 2022 9:31 AM

2022-10-24T09:31:16-04:00

Our Oath of Enlistment states that we are to, "...support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;..."

The Democrats, and particularly Obuma and the Biden crime syndicate, have proven time and again that they are enemies of the USA and especially of the Constitution.

This is the government that our Founding Fathers warned us about and the reason that the Second Amendment was created.

Hopefully we'll remove most of this scum next month (early voting starts today!) and neuter #PedoHitlerBiden, by taking the majority in Congress.

Response by SFC Matt Hunter made Oct 24 at 2022 10:08 AM

2022-10-24T10:08:32-04:00

It is my opinion that as an American regardless of status you have the right to say what you want. That is not saying you won’t have the consequences that come with that right. I also feel that as a military member we should at least do our best to do our due diligence before laying criticism at a presidents feet. In other words stop allowing the media to form our collective opinion and learn to form an opinion for ourselves.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Oct 24 at 2022 11:31 AM

2022-10-24T11:31:34-04:00

What happened to the Freedom of Speech, so far 3 IDIOTS who sat in the White House who did more harm to this Country just to satisfy their agenda Clinton, Obama, Biden, there will probably be more in the future, got to have Great Leaders not fools

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made Oct 24 at 2022 5:23 PM

2022-10-24T17:23:28-04:00

In Uniform it’s unacceptable, but out of uniform, I don’t care one way or the other. Last time I checked freedom of speech was protected under the 1st amendment. One other note, I have seen more people talk shit about PRESIDENT (He IS the the one who was Elected in 2020) Trump than any other president. As a Veteran of the Gulf War, Somalia, and OIF/OEF, he was the only president in my time that didn’t get us into a war. He also gave us Veterans Choice. We had $2.00 a gallon of gas, the stock market was great, unemployment was the lowest ever, and everyone’s 401K was on top. Now look what we have. Freedom of speech is something I spent almost 26 years of my life for. Last time I checked we swore an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies Foreign and Domestic. If your not awake to this illegitimate asshole in the office right now, your not doing your job, or upholding the oath you took as a service member. Yes I said that, and I could give two fucks on who doesn't like it. I was an MRC in the Navy, now I’m an Mr. I’ll say what I want, when I want, and I don’t give a dam who doesn’t like it. LETS GO BRANDON! Foxtrot Juliet Bravo.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Oct 29 at 2022 1:42 AM

2022-10-29T01:42:54-04:00

Outside of uniform, no one cares

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Oct 29 at 2022 1:46 AM

2022-10-29T01:46:52-04:00

Simple as this... democrats are using the military as their own social justice bullshit playground. Officers agree, highest enlisted have to agree. It's nothing but politics at the top.

Response by SP5 Richard Barton made Nov 15 at 2022 9:39 PM

2022-11-15T21:39:07-05:00

I served during the terms of two of the worse Presidents in history prior to President Biden. While I respect the office and would carry out my oath to follow the commands of those appointed over me, it doesn’t mean I am without an opinion.

I served in the Army from Aug 1974 to Aug 1977. Ford was in office until Jan 1977. Then Carter appeared on the scene. Had I re-enlisted, there was a high chance I would have been sent to Germany or South Korea. I had heard great things about these countries. But with the idiot we had as our commander and chief, I decided I should resign my position. That was honest.

As for other Veterans pointing out the flaws of our current President, I’m not offended. They have a right to their opinion just like I do. Getting offended is a choice and to me indicates poor judgment.

Response by SP5 Albert Katulips made Nov 16 at 2022 7:39 AM

2022-11-16T07:39:05-05:00

We active duty, veterans and all others who served, we must respect the institution of the presidency regardless the person who holds the office. We must protect it at all costs

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 16 at 2022 1:20 PM

2022-11-16T13:20:36-05:00

Active duty military personnel must show respect to the office of commander in chief, if not the office holder himself.

Veterans are more free to express their opinions of the CINC as well as our top military officers when they see the damage being done to our military and the danger to our nation by inept leadership.

But name-calling is never called for, in my opinion.

Response by SPC Mathew Eifert made Nov 16 at 2022 5:44 PM

2022-11-16T17:44:17-05:00

This is an issue now? People were being booted for criticism of Obama. People.openly bashed Trump for 4 years. But now, with a brain damaged man, it becomes an issue?

Response by PO1 Edward Speary made Nov 16 at 2022 6:18 PM

2022-11-16T18:18:50-05:00

Many times I have said that this or thatpresident was an idiot,but only to myself.It doent mater,as long as you still follow what the OIC tells you to do.But this is only to myself.

Response by CMSgt David Bridge made Nov 16 at 2022 9:33 PM

2022-11-16T21:33:52-05:00

I think we have a right to criticize our leaders, but remember it has to be smithing our personal space and Not in any official capacity. Never at work and not with junior members. Once RETIRED, it’s our right!

Response by SP5 Texi Ngiraingas made Nov 16 at 2022 11:48 PM

2022-11-16T23:48:36-05:00

In some ways, it might be freedom of speech, but when you swore to the oath, talking trash about whomever the President or Commander in Chief is should be stripped of their citizenship. Just my thoughts.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2022 8:33 AM

2022-11-17T08:33:49-05:00

As a Veteran you have more than earned your right to talk about any politician, especially the communists. This should not even be a question. Now military, you're screwed. You have no choice but to support the communists but you can always get right by getting out.

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made Nov 17 at 2022 11:40 PM

2022-11-17T23:40:07-05:00

Soldiers fight for our very right to speak things we may not like to hear. An army of soldiers battles to secure that right---something which can neither be given nor taken away. To determine what a person must agree to speak cannot change the heart of a man; it only makes him callous and cold. Robotic would be a more fitting name. A robot has no intrinsic loyalty.

You can command a person to obey, but his obedience must always be under guard because our nature resents it. Do we really want to pretend to say something nice about someone when we don't mean it? That is the definition of hypocrite. Better to say nothing and keep your integrity intact.

Response by MGySgt Samuel Steen made Nov 18 at 2022 12:08 AM

2022-11-18T00:08:24-05:00

I served our country for 32 years as a Marine and I have no problem with our service members practicing what we fought and bleed for. If they have something on their chest, I feel it’s their right to say what ever they want to. Now I didn’t say get stupid but speak your mind because we’ve been screwed by them all and that’s a hard stone cold fact. They don’t want to pay us, they’re constantly taking the the benefits we were promised especially us older veteran that we’re told free medical and dental once we retired. Well they lied, nothings free like we were promised and that’s the facts. We pay for our medical even while on active duty, it’s called tri-care, plus we pay Medicare tax, we pay for our own life insurance, it’s called SGLI and if you don’t pay your family won’t receive anything once your killed or die and even worse once you retire. We’re told free medical and dental yeah right what a lie. Oh and don’t get me started on the democrats and they’re total disrespect for us, they’ll cut your funding every time they get in power, don’t believe just look it up budget cuts which means less money for new equipment, training, beans bullets and band aids, for pay raises and retirements. Like I said they’ll screw us in a heart beat so I thank god for men an women like us because if we weren’t there no one would be there and frankly one party doesn’t care. If I’m hurting anyone’s feelings good, because I love all my brothers and sisters in arms and I believe a private E1 should make more money than a damn bum working at McDonald’s making 15 plus dollars an hour and wouldn’t serve a day in his life but congress and the president believe they deserve a higher pay than a guy taking a bullet. So you be a good Troop and let us old guys fight these politicians for what you deserve and let us call them bums and criminals because we’ve been there done that and aren’t worried about disrespecting their feelings. I hope you never make a member of our military feel they don’t have a right to speak their mind tactfully and sometimes things need to be said. Silence is ignorance and will get a lot of people killed, so never be afraid to speak your mind tactfully because it might save lives. Presidents aren’t above the law and they also say and do stupid things and I’ll leave it right there, freedom of speech is for all Americans and therefore never give up that constitutional right that you might die for. Semper Fi

Response by CDR William Kempner made Nov 18 at 2022 9:01 AM

2022-11-18T09:01:25-05:00

Perfectly okay for active duty to have an opinion and vote their preferences, but it is best to keep your opinions to yourself. If it's just talk among friends, probably no big deal, but you have to watch what you say about "offing somebody" or any talk about overthrowing the government. Even among friends. A lot of guys will say things in the heat of the moment or after few drinks, but not wise. AND NEVER IN UNIFORM.
As for veterans, it's a free country and we still have our First Amendment Rights (for now). But you should still be careful. You don't know who is listening, and what will be reported.

Response by Sgt Poka Laenui made Nov 18 at 2022 9:27 AM

2022-11-18T09:27:32-05:00

Soldiers and Veterans should not be asked to refrain from criticizing Presidents because it becomes a form of chilling their rights of free expression. It is often soldiers and veterans who are most attuned to the policies of the Presidential administrations and sometimes best able to give a hands on assessment of the policies, and even the accuracy of the media reports about those policies.

Response by PO2 John Drillock made Nov 18 at 2022 9:37 AM

2022-11-18T09:37:01-05:00

Look back in history and you'll find several examples of military criticizing Presidents from both parties. John Kerry comes quickly to mind tossing his medals over the White House fence during the Vietnam War. Douglas MacArthur had his disagreements with Harry Truman. Dig and ye shall find. How do I personally feel about it? The current administration and president have forced covid vaccinations on our military or discharged them. And still refuse to totally change their position even though it's coming out that we been had by self-promoters. The military's mission is not for cultural experiments but is a fighting force. Our military budget does not even keep up with inflation with this administration. And if you're in the military having tough times paying bills, you're told to apply for an EBT card. A joke. But, a sad one. How can one not criticize a president and administration that are foolhardy? And never forget Afghanistan. But, active duty personnel need to be careful but veterans have every right to criticize Biden or any other president with such a record like Biden's towards the military. Biden is a perfect example of "The Peter Principle" along with his hand-picked generals and admirals. We'll pay dearly in years to come for not criticizing when we should have.

Response by CPL Jack Obrien made Nov 18 at 2022 9:37 AM

2022-11-18T09:37:46-05:00

You don't have to like the man, but in my opinion it's un-American to disrespect him

Response by SPC John Williams made Nov 18 at 2022 11:48 AM

2022-11-18T11:48:33-05:00

I think as a society we have become very tacky and divided. In general society needs a touch of class.
Soldiers that in service need to play by the militaries rules about political speech. Veterans on the other hand should behave as any other civilian.
No president should be immune to criticism. At this time it seems an entire political party is immune to media criticism.

Response by SP5 Dane Owens made Nov 18 at 2022 11:17 PM

2022-11-18T23:17:09-05:00

Name calling and bashing is one thing there is no place for. Disagreeing or criticizing anyone is part of why we have a democracy, I may not agree with you but as the CIC it is my duty to obey any and all lawful commands,

Response by PO3 Winston Fewox made Nov 19 at 2022 9:03 AM

2022-11-19T09:03:44-05:00

Not a problem it is called freedom of speech and now were told to bite our lips and move on Obama and joe have screwed our country with the woke bullshit and not only the boarder issues, so you tell me what is wrong with this country we are going broke for all the policies that they put in place ....... So, if you think there is a problem about bashing Our president then I think whoever says otherwise needs to look and listen to their own conscience

Response by SSgt Patrick Russ made Nov 19 at 2022 7:04 PM

2022-11-19T19:04:31-05:00

I served under Clinton, Bush and Obama. I hated and continue to hate Obama with a passion for what he did to this country and the military. But while in uniform I would not bash him unless I was in a private setting and I was among my peers and it was during a discussion. When I public or outside a private setting I would simply say that he was the President and nothing more.

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Nov 19 at 2022 11:12 PM

2022-11-19T23:12:59-05:00

Criticizing any political "leader" is one of our fundamental rights. It falls under free speech and is protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. As a member of the armed forces however, you are barred from engaging in political activism while in uniform, but in civilian attire and not on duty you are free to engage in any activism which is legal.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 20 at 2022 12:59 AM

2022-11-20T00:59:19-05:00

If the president is a liar, thief, and cheat then I will give my candid assessment.

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Nov 20 at 2022 9:40 AM

2022-11-20T09:40:20-05:00

Veterans can say whatever they wish, we still have 1st Amendment Amendment rights. Soldiers, is a touchy subject, as it is against UCMJ in most instances

Response by CW2 Ernest Krutzsch made Nov 20 at 2022 9:50 AM

2022-11-20T09:50:46-05:00

For Veterans absolutely,they are not restricted from doing so, active duty are!

Response by SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell made Nov 20 at 2022 11:11 AM

2022-11-20T11:11:32-05:00

Regardless of political party it boils down to ability, actions and service. The ability and actions of our current Commander in Chief have been far less than stellar. He likes the game of semantics and refuses to take responsibility for any of his actions. He places more value on diversity than defense. Our Military is dwindling in personnel and equipment. At the end of the day however, he is the President. But the oath is to defend this nation and the constitution. That is regardless of whether or not you like who is in office. You have to realize, we are able to voice our opinion’s here because of our constitution and all the soldiers now and those that came before us defending those rights. Your options are: 1) Vote for the one who best represents what you want in a leader, 2) Serve your Country and the people to the best of your ability. 3) Become part of the solution by moving forward and becoming a leader or 4) Quit, complain and become part of the problem. That’s my Two cents worth… and I served so that myself and others can offer them.

Response by SGT Lance LeBerte made Nov 20 at 2022 12:34 PM

2022-11-20T12:34:16-05:00

Everyone has an opinion and should be allowed to voice it

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Nov 20 at 2022 5:30 PM

2022-11-20T17:30:22-05:00

In uniform I would call it conduct unbecoming. Out of uniform, keep it respectful.

Response by SSG Michael Schneider made Nov 21 at 2022 7:12 AM

2022-11-21T07:12:46-05:00

As for public criticism while in uniform it should never happen. The same goes for publicly supporting a specific candidate for office.
However, that being said I fully support a Veterans right to voice their opinion, as well as their support for any political candidate or, political position.
It is a unfortunate fact that politics is a dirty, mud slinging environment!
Personally, I had two friends that 'pulled the plug' and retired rather than serve under former President W.J. Clinton.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Nov 21 at 2022 12:34 PM

2022-11-21T12:34:44-05:00

Veterans are free to say what they wish. Active duty must remember that whoever it is, regardless of how you feel, he or she is your Commander in Chief.

Response by SGT Ted Reed made Nov 22 at 2022 7:58 AM

2022-11-22T07:58:12-05:00

Freedom of Speech is everything that's why you put the uniform on. If you don't have confidence in your commander and chief you can talk about it. that doesn't mean your not going to anything but obey orders.

Response by MSG Justin S. made Nov 27 at 2022 6:54 PM

2022-11-27T18:54:00-05:00

Expressing your personal opinions about political leaders and especially the CnC is just a fact of the American fabric. Has always taken place and always will. In 66 and 67 in Vietnam we openly expressed our opinions about the CnC and the insane policies that handcuffed soldiers fighting a nasty in your face jungle war. That being said we pulled together and fought for each other in order to make it through. One thing we didn't have was a bunch of snot nosed indoctrinated soldiers running around finding fault with every word they deemed offense instead of just soldiering like they joined to do.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Nov 28 at 2022 6:04 AM

2022-11-28T06:04:59-05:00

I was always told we protect the rights of others but are held to a higher standard. While in Uniform or in anyway invoking military service, past or present the use of any defamation of the commander-in-chief; is/has and should always be not allowed. Civilians or if in a legal process, the rules are different. The UCMJ is harder on us than others because we should be living a higher standard. Personal conversations are still personal, unless you make the conversation loud enough to make it public - that includes online. In my opinion you hold your service as standard for your life and if that is too much to bear for others they shouldn't bring up their service...

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Nov 28 at 2022 5:51 PM

2022-11-28T17:51:15-05:00

This is a perfect example of a question of time and place. If I were to go stand in front of the, White House in full uniform with a sign, saying the presidents, an SOB, I think it would be completely inappropriate. on the other hand if I write a letter to my newspaper, saying, I strongly disagree with whatever the presidents doing, and mentioned my cadential‘s, as being in the military or having been in the military, I think it’s appropriate. The thing is the time and place in the format acting like a fool and being rude to people it’s probably not appropriate at any time, but that doesn’t mean you can’t clearly state your opinion in a respectful manner

Response by Cpl Deborah Rhea made Nov 30 at 2022 9:24 PM

2022-11-30T21:24:01-05:00

If the president doesn't uphold and support the laws in the Constitution, they deserve criticism from every patriot. Neither Obama nor Biden have any redeeming qualities necessary to be a USA present because they're only purpose for holding the office is to "Fundamentally Transform" to government into Agenda 21s' version of a Communist/One World Order/totalitarian government and what's worse is they are using our soldiers whose job is to protect the Republic, to force the implementation of the communist regimes communist rule. So criticize away on communist leaning presidents i.e. Biden and Obama!

Response by CDR Thomas Holohan made Dec 5 at 2022 5:07 PM

2022-12-05T17:07:08-05:00

I believe there is a big difference between public comments offered by AD personnel and those of veterans. While on AD, one must refrain from public, overt criticism of the "chain of command" for obvious reasons. However, a veteran is a private citizen with all the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2022 11:18 AM

2022-12-06T11:18:21-05:00

In uniform or demonstrating current reserve or Regular Army rank is very bad. Acting as private citizens, how could they not criticize our current POTUS (2021-?).

Response by Sgt Greg Brown made Dec 8 at 2022 7:32 AM

2022-12-08T07:32:10-05:00

If the shoe fits...

Response by SSG Stephen Coder made Jan 3 at 2023 4:07 AM

2023-01-03T04:07:11-05:00

If they are on active duty they need to be apolitical. After you ETS or retire say what you want.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jan 8 at 2023 11:28 PM

2023-01-08T23:28:01-05:00

Whom are you referencing? And what discussions are you exactly referencing?

Response by MSgt Tom Hammond made Jan 9 at 2023 1:28 PM

2023-01-09T13:28:26-05:00

The problem with politics is politicians. No leader, regardless of party is going to please everyone. However, I feel active duty and veteran alike should at least show respect to the office of president even if they do not personally care for the person in the office. We (as military members) should always support our president else we show discontent and weakness to those who would try to take the advantage. Disparaging our president publicly is never a good idea in my opinion.

Response by SFC Dean D. made Jan 9 at 2023 1:40 PM

2023-01-09T13:40:15-05:00

As Americans (and humans) we're all entitled to our opinion. As a service member, you are best served out of respect for your service and our CoC to be (vocally) politically neutral or even silent. If you are going on social media where you identify yourself as a service member, best to keep your opinions to yourself. Just because you feel strongly about someone politically doesn't mean you have to say it and tie yourself down to a point of view you may later change your mind on or even regret. Veterans and retirees are a different story. While we should remain respectful, we don't have repercussions by the chain of command anymore. Theodore Roosevelt himself said,
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He spoke about Americans at large. While serving, you are more than an American. You are part of the American armed forces and must uphold the honor of all those serving, including those above you in elected positions. United we stand, divided we fall.
I'd say there is a lot of wiggle room if you wanted to criticize a senator from, let's say, Texas that you feel has done things that go against what is best for his constituents or the American people as a whole.

Response by MAJ Steve Warnerski made Jan 10 at 2023 10:46 AM

2023-01-10T10:46:54-05:00

Biden? I guess by the Constitution he is the CDR in Chief, albeit a senile bumbling fool and a professional politician. A WHORE on 14th Street in DC has more morals and utility than he does. Active duty & reserve components can't do much. Don't worry; I'll carry the ball; I'm retired a LONG time, and way past the age of being recalled to active duty AND rated 100% disabled by the VA. They can't touch me. FJB.

Response by SPC Paul Gooch made Jan 10 at 2023 10:52 AM

2023-01-10T10:52:04-05:00

I'm a political. I really don't like any of them, but orders come from the top down no matter where you work

Response by SFC Leroy Mclafferty made Jan 10 at 2023 6:37 PM

2023-01-10T18:37:56-05:00

I believe in freedom to express concerns and beliefs. With that being said. This should be done with taste and respect. At the same time listening to others concerns and beliefs. It should not be done in front of those lower in rank. Heck probably better not done by those still serving. I have plenty of Veteran friends that have different concerns and beliefs then myself, but we know how to voice then and if need be we know how to change the subject.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Weisman made Jan 11 at 2023 7:01 AM

2023-01-11T07:01:41-05:00

BO & JB DO NOT DESERVE RESPECT! ESPECIALLY JB! He would rather have his icee cream cone than making sure that our troops + Nurses, Corpman, Doctors, Respiratory Therapists, + translators were ALL SAFE GETTING OUT of Afghan Land and he did not blink an eye 2 help get out those personnel and their families who were left behind the walls of the Taliban! + with ALL of the Equipment as I recall $750B left behind that should've been destroyed by an air strike of 1 kind or another!
The Taliban have sold pretty much this entire arsenal 2 the IRANIANS, who are selling swaths of all of it POTENTIALLY 2 Russia, N. Korea, Cuba, PERHAPS CHINA & by golly JB didn't care!
He just wanted his icee cream, CONE and Jill burping him after he was finished!
THIS SCENERIO KEEPS HAPPENING with little Joey!
Basically 4 his icee cream cones he has pretty much sold our entire country out 2 G Z PING PONG BALLS ALL 4 his wanton last of having his Icee cream cone & Jill's mothering skills 2 burp the L'il fella after his treat & B4 his bottle, nap, and diaper change!

Response by SFC John Lovelady made Jan 11 at 2023 9:00 AM

2023-01-11T09:00:24-05:00

I would be concerned if a leader can't accept criticism. Aren't Veterans and Soldiers able to legally vote. The only people who can't accept criticism are Narcists. This use to be a free country. No where in my Oath to Enlistment did it say that I am willing to give up my Constitutional Rights.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jan 12 at 2023 2:29 AM

2023-01-12T02:29:55-05:00

Since I no longer know the rules of conduct in today's military, I cannot state anything about about making comments against the stitting POTUS. I can state that whomever they are, they are still your CIC and can tell you to remember that line in your Oath of Enlistment/Commision that goes "I will obey the orders of the President of the United State..." And well, if you don't, there is a variety of UCMJ avtions that might be pursued.

However, as a veteran (Yes, I am one as well as both of my brothers), we have a right to voice whatever our opinions are. After all, one of the rights we protected is the First Amendment; Freedom of Speech. Having served does not remove any of our legal rights unless of course, we should commit an act against the United States or any of it's citizens.

If we are a good citizen, we will know that others have opinions different from our own and exercise constraint even when we disagree.

Response by SPC Emma Green made Jan 12 at 2023 6:14 AM

2023-01-12T06:14:45-05:00

If there is a soldier on active duty, they need to realize that the president is their Commander in Chief. I think if you have an active duty soldier that bad mouths the president, he should be court-martialed. Now veterans on the other hand have put their time in and it's only an opinion that doesn't reflect on them as it does an active duty soldier

Response by Cpl Michael Saxton made Jan 12 at 2023 8:57 AM

2023-01-12T08:57:48-05:00

Are you kidding? The former Vice President, Joe Biden used the military to install his own government, took political prisoners, continues to hold the public hostage by not releasing emergency powers, sensor speech, and surrendered Afghanistan to the terrorists. The mere fact that this post might not be allowed to post, and that I cannot downvote your statement without having some sort of social score paints a more complete picture of the actual problem.

Response by MAJ James Fitzgerald made Jan 12 at 2023 12:49 PM

2023-01-12T12:49:32-05:00

I am not going to address the original question, as many have articulated the 'regulations' concerning this kind of activity. Of course, there is always interpretation and differences.

What I would like to address is that everyone on RP has a common bond and that is that we all wore or wear the uniform of the United States of America. We took the same oath. We cared about something bigger than ourselves. Some served years on Active Duty, some a mixture of AD and the Reserve Forces. Some retired from the military, some served one or two enlistments, then moved on with their careers. Some saw multiple deployments and combat, while others served during a time when the Op Tempo wasn't as high and never saw combat. At the end of the day, we did what we were asked/told to do.

The feedback that I am seeing about this post has gotten my attention. I left FB over three years ago, because of the animosity and hatred that permeates that social media. We all have different views of politics, presidents, congress, etc. That is natural and one of the things that makes America the greatest country on earth, and I acknowledge there are important areas that we simply need to make improvement. In many countries, it is impossible to state your opinion out of fear of incarceration or being killed...everyone knows that is true, so just stating the obvious.

My point here is that everyone on RP has a common bond that very few experience. It is a place where we know common ground exists, which isn't true of other platforms like FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc, where all walks of life can participate. We all know that the person on our left and right is who we depended upon. We also know that we had their 'six' when it mattered...and they had ours as well.

With that said, may I ask and encourage all of us to treat our fellow Veterans with the respect and dignity each has earned and deserves? Attacking people on a personal level never produces anything good. We have that in most parts of society today. I am in no way suggesting you cannot share that you don't share the same viewpoint/opinion. We just need to do so with respect and kindness. We may or may not be right, we may or may not be on the right side of history and sometimes we find out years later that what we thought was true, and we based our viewpoint upon, turned out not to be factual. Disagreement does not mean we have to be disagreeable.

Thank you for allowing me the avenue of feedback...

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Jan 12 at 2023 3:09 PM

2023-01-12T15:09:13-05:00

If you are Active Duty and in uniform, you are not allowed to speak negatively about CIC. However once off duty and in civies, I believe you can state your opinion either in favor or against the CIC. We are allowed to vote for or against, so there should be no repercussions for any opinion vocally expressed for or against. As a Veteran, I am free to express my opinion regarding CIC especially as to how CIC's policies impact the readiness of our military, as well as the security and sovereignty of our nation. That is part of the Oath I took and will never walk away from.

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Jan 12 at 2023 3:21 PM

2023-01-12T15:21:21-05:00

It should be asked... "Should our Commander In Chief be allowed to sow division by speaking negatively about previous CIC if of different party affiliation"

Response by LCDR Bruce Cooley made Jan 12 at 2023 5:51 PM

2023-01-12T17:51:16-05:00

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it didn't seem to be much of a problem when Trump or Bush was in office. Seems that only when someone is critical of Obama or Biden that some people get 'upset', so the question is "why" is criticism of the President seen as generally a bad thing??? Now, for a serviceman/woman to do so in the context of their work place, THEN you have an issue, as the military is supposed to be non-partisan. When I was serving I made a point to derail the conversations around politics whether or not I agreed with them or not by reminding them that "....this is not even a little bit related to the work we're doing, so shelve it until you're off duty and out of uniform." Historically, I can only think of one person who was "punished" for speaking out against the sitting President, and that was General Douglas MacArthur...so as for precedence, I cannot think of anything that can be done to 'silence' opposition to the President....regardless of party.

Response by LCpl Jose Lugo made Jan 12 at 2023 10:40 PM

2023-01-12T22:40:46-05:00

Our President of the United States of America won by the majority of the vote. The USA is a Democratic Country. Our Chief commander is entitled to respect and obedience from every
Citizen in our great nation.
The day we stop giving our respect and obedience to our President Chief Commander we have stop being a free democratic country and destruction to our nation will be faced !

Response by Bob Keenan made Jan 13 at 2023 9:19 AM

2023-01-13T09:19:01-05:00

We are very fortunate to have young men and women willing to defend our country and constitution. While serving, it would be disloyal to question the president. Once retired, our soldiers have certainly earned the right to use the freedoms they defended to ask our representatives to justify their actions and use your vote if you disagree.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Jan 13 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-01-13T13:04:54-05:00

Respect must be given. I served under three presidents. The first one I truly respected everything he did. His VP was elected next and he did basically a good job. The next one was not someone I would ever vote for. He received the same respect that I gave the first one. Respect the office if not the person sitting there.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Jan 13 at 2023 1:31 PM

2023-01-13T13:31:31-05:00

Just because you are in the military does not mean you do not have the right to voice your opinion. Freedom of Speech is still in the Constitution. You never discussed politics with any of your friends while in the military?

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Jan 13 at 2023 8:41 PM

2023-01-13T20:41:06-05:00

It’s ok for veterans to voice their displeasure with the President in any way, shape or form. However if you are in active military, you should not voice your opinions publically. You should keep your remarks private. This is my opinion.

Response by PO3 Pamala McBrayer made Jan 14 at 2023 3:11 PM

2023-01-14T15:11:34-05:00

No President is God. As a veteran, I am now a civilian entitled to all First Amendment protections related to my opinions and speech. But in uniform, I kept my mouth SHUT, and did what was required of me. No, I did not agree with “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” and I don’t agree with taxpayer dollars being used or allowing transgendered persons to serve in the military. I don’t agree with the alphabet soup identity issue. I don’t agree that government should have any action in defining marriage or sanctioning it at all (a religious construct/institution) aside from the issue of property rights, civil union contracts, and all related partnership benefits (or hazards).

I watched a witchhunt in my company to ferret out persons who might be lesbian or bisexual. It was handled badly. It was abusive. It caused people to make false claims to deflect attention from themselves. It was not the Navy’s finest hour. It was cruel and offensive. It also did nothing worthwhile for the benefit of the mission or purposes of the military.

I don’t care about a person’s intimate choices with other consenting adults. I do care about the government sticking it’s nose in things that it has no business regulating.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Jan 16 at 2023 2:19 AM

2023-01-16T02:19:29-05:00

Being in uniform requires one to respect our Commander and Chief while serving. What is unfortunate though sometimes we have to bite our lips when we don’t completely agree with their policies .
But, when a Commander in Chief upsets our democratic way of life and runs the White House like he’s a “mob boss” then in uniform or not, one has the right to free speech.

Response by SA John Albaladejo made Jan 16 at 2023 11:24 AM

2023-01-16T11:24:42-05:00

Okay, I seldom weigh in on these discussions as for the most part they are dumb and pointless. This discussion here is also in that category as every service member here ought to be familiar with the UCMJ and what it says. Also, let's all remember that a Veteran is not answerable to the UCMJ as he or she is a Civilian again unless they are a Reservist. Now, to remind everyone, the UCMJ, which covers ACTIVE DUTY PERSONELL, has this; Sub Chapter 10, 888.Article 88 Contempt Towards Officials. Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. Please note that it says Commissioned Officers. It does not say a thing about Enlisted Personnel or Veterans. If my memory serves me correctly from my time aboard ship, the command where an enlisted serves has their rules setup based on the UCMJ and can relate to Enlisteds for the purpose of good conduct, professionalism, and respect for authority, all of which combine towards the ability of the unit to maintain combat readiness in order to complete its missions, and every US Military unit is run according to these principals across the board. I've been out since 1988 and can mostly remember all of this without having to Google it, so why can't anybody else?

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Jan 17 at 2023 8:31 PM

2023-01-17T20:31:23-05:00

Should never happen. You vote for whom you like and back the winner and give them the required respect. I think all parties should support who is in office for the first three years and six months then make your attempts to win the votes. If we did this then I feel we would have a United front and better country.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Jan 21 at 2023 3:14 PM

2023-01-21T15:14:30-05:00

I respect the Office to which one is serving, does not mean that I agree with their actions, thoughts or anything else for that matter. Blindly following a leader or anyone will eventually lead you into a "deep hole" that there is no recovering from; unless of course you have common sense and great leaders.

Response by SN Michael Smith made Jan 24 at 2023 10:31 PM

2023-01-24T22:31:32-05:00

I will respect the Office of President of the United States of America, but I don't always have to respect the person holding the office. I keep my thoughts about the person separate from the office and try not to criticize the office.
I may criticize the person as much as I wish as it is a right guaranteed in the Constitution that I swore an oath to defend and I have no problems with anyone else criticizing the person who holds ANY office in ANY branch of government.

Response by SSG Willie Means made Feb 10 at 2023 5:38 PM

2023-02-10T17:38:40-05:00

Anyone with just a little intelligence could see the former president was giving the Country to putin and the rich ones. I'm a Democrat but I don't see any critical mistake setting America up to be taken over by another country. I once had a College Teacher call me a Hawk when it came to America against other Countries. GOD is in charge and believe it or not, somebody is pulling the strings so things don't get completely out of control! I recall a Marine Major disrespecting Mr. Obama and I was shocked! For a Field Grade Officer to do such in any Branch of Our Military would began the domino effect if damage control was not activated! GOD BLESS!!!!

Response by SGT Clayton Magee made Mar 11 at 2023 2:37 PM

2023-03-11T14:37:30-05:00

Generally I agree with supporting the president. However one time I do not want is if he shows himself or herself to be morally unfit. I do not expect the President to be a saint, but there are limits. A reasonable level of personal morality should be present. I can only think of one individual in my 79 years in whom such a lack of decently was present.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Mar 20 at 2023 12:27 AM

2023-03-20T00:27:48-04:00

The POTUS is an active soldier's Commander in Chief. Criticize while you follow orders you "swore" to uphold to the best of your ability. Your voice matters as long as you continue to fulfill your military obligation HONORABLY.

Response by LCpl Odell Taylor made Apr 4 at 2023 7:23 AM

2023-04-04T07:23:06-04:00

Well, Paul B., if you're still with us to read this, I would ask: "Do you still hold those SAME views and beliefs concerning the IDIOT with dementia that has occupied that seat in name only since 6Jan2021"? And don't start chastising my EIGHTY (80) year-old self for pointing out the obvious!

Also, I would advise you to research to find that Joe Biden HAS NEVER been right about ANYTHING since he has been in politics.

Btw...I would like to inform you that I was registered to vote as a Democrat for FIFTY (50) years, almost to the day, Mar1966-Mar2016 Like a 'good little' Democrat and much to my chagrin, I voted for both, The Peanut Man and Bubba Clinton. Bubba was the end of the line for me. I merely delayed transitioning on file!

Have A Nice Day...Molon Labe...Semper Fi

Response by CPL Dante Kimble made Apr 4 at 2023 7:35 AM

2023-04-04T07:35:10-04:00

We all have OPINIONS, WE as people will ALWAYS have DIFFERENT OPINIONS, IDEAS and BELIEFS! WTP have to LEARN to just RESPECT OTHERS. I didn't VOTE for Trump and didn't BELIEVE in ALOT he SAID/DID, but he was the POTUS. At the end of the day I had friends and Veteran brothers and sisters who did and we are STILL there for 1 another NO MATTER WHAT!! REMEMBER GOD IS ABOVE ALL!!

Response by Sgt Steve Williams made Apr 11 at 2023 4:02 PM

2023-04-11T16:02:07-04:00

We have a president that has more than earned all the criticism. And I believe we veterans know better than antone how he is doing everything possible to tear us down and apart

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Apr 11 at 2023 7:49 PM

2023-04-11T19:49:05-04:00

If you are on active duty & have a security clearance, you have to remain very PC. In private it is one thing to say what is on your mind but not on social media or anything like that. That also goes for US policy. If the US sides with a terrible nation, you better watch how you talk about what that ally is doing. Do not voice support their enemy either. Take the Balkans for example. The US was in bed with Serbia. Serbia even had a USO retreat in Yugoslavia. The country falls part. Serbia does evil things. You have to bite your lip. You will be warned that you can lose your security clearance no matter how rotten our buddy is. Then Serbia committed it's "first" recognized act of genocide & they were no longer friends of the US. Now you could say whatever you wanted. When it comes to the Commander in Chief, officers have to particularly careful. Bad mouthing in front of the troops is considered mutiny. The way I look at veterans, nobody has come right & said that we cannot voice our opinions like any other American citizen. However, choose your words carefully. DHS may come knocking if you get too loud. Especially in troubled times like now. It is like the US is having it's own cold civil war right now.

Response by SFC Hector Cardone made Apr 11 at 2023 10:31 PM

2023-04-11T22:31:53-04:00

First of all I'm a Retired Army Veteran..free to say anything I want about anybody I want...its called free speech..the 1st Amendment...While in uniform Active duty personnel have to adhere to the this is not a Democracy policy which is correct. But. Once again when out of the uniform
as in retired, and or Honorably discharged that person has the right to say anything he pleases....God Bless America!!! Also...President Biden is an elected President, but not my President per say...I didn't Vote or will ever vote for him...LETS GO BRANDON !!!

Response by CPL Jeremy Glenn made Apr 12 at 2023 10:23 AM

2023-04-12T10:23:01-04:00

Confines of being in uniform aside, all speech must be free or none is. It doesn’t matter what I think of what they say.

Response by A1C Damion Linder made Apr 12 at 2023 11:30 AM

2023-04-12T11:30:55-04:00

Man, look ... Every time someone runs for President, they are scrutinized from head to toe to soul. To me, there is no difference, so you should be able to speak up and say something if something seems wrong or out of place. Really it's all about tone and way you ask or point out something that doesn't agree with you.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Apr 13 at 2023 12:50 PM

2023-04-13T12:50:48-04:00

Let's look at it in a different manner. Being in the military or retired or changing military is just like any other job in America. So will say that the Supervisor or co-worker and in this case the President is or is not doing a great job. That's just how it is. We ALL have done that or said things about our boss either in front of their face or behind their back. Again that's just what EVERYONE is doing or have done. Where it beings an issue is how you go about what you say. For most of of talking shit is just what we do. I do it everyday on something. I have never acted on or will act on anything that i say that others may not agree with. Why you ask it's because I know better. So all in all I'm very much ok on Veterans or Active Duty people criticizing the President as long as it doesn't go any further than just having a beverage and talking amongst your peers or co-workers and that's it. When it becomes a problem is when you start threatening or act upon damage or bodily harm is where I have the issue.

Response by PFC John Roscoe made Apr 13 at 2023 2:17 PM

2023-04-13T14:17:58-04:00

Depends on the president. Not a fan of anyone supporting a lying, wannabe fascist because he shares their "Values."

Response by SP5 Richard Unice made Apr 13 at 2023 3:22 PM

2023-04-13T15:22:14-04:00

Keep the criticisms to your self or immediate "family/'.

Response by CH (LTC) Ted Baccich made Apr 13 at 2023 7:07 PM

2023-04-13T19:07:50-04:00

Each and every one of us took a solemn oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I spent 33 years doing my utmost to make good on that oath. The politicians appointed over us take a very similar oath. The bedrock of our republic rests on honor, self evident truths and inalienable rights. The bedrock of our republic rests on the fact that rights do not come from government, they come from God Himself, as is clearly articulated in our founding document, the Declaration of Independence.

There is a fine line between free speech and questioning the actions and attitudes of our leaders, and attacking the office of the President itself. It is one thing to say I don't agree with someone, and it is another thing to say something that is openly hostile. In trying to defend freedom, I believe it necessary to practice some level of the freedoms we are defending, and most importantly, the freedom of speech - the freedom of conscious. This is not to say we just pop off at the mouth and say anything we want, but, certainly as a retired officer, I gain the right to say what I think (a right that all American civilians possess and exercise freely) within the bonds of professionalism.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Apr 13 at 2023 7:31 PM

2023-04-13T19:31:08-04:00

I don’t care which political party is holding office at any given time. They’re all liars and thieves. Just my opinion.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2023 2:16 AM

2023-04-14T02:16:21-04:00

Are truth, integrity and honesty part of the military values?

Response by AA Morgan Kemp made Apr 14 at 2023 10:44 AM

2023-04-14T10:44:12-04:00

I don't blame them, he doesn't care about us, he doesn't care about the welfare state of mind we are in. He wants us to be robots, listen to his social propaganda, and then tell us what to do. We need to speak up, fight back and destroy everything the president stands for. We need to make this country free, we need to take back what is ours. We didn't sign up to be robots and let a government tell us what to do, we fought against terrorism, and that is what they are becoming.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Apr 14 at 2023 4:36 PM

2023-04-14T16:36:13-04:00

Active duty? Keep your opinions to yourself.
Veterans? WE EARNED THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE! It always seems to be non veterans who believe we lost our first amendment rights when we signed that check for our life.
I worked for lbj, Nixon, ford, carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 as a military member or federal employee but the day I retired I no longer had to bite my tongue.

Response by SFC Bryan Livasy made Apr 14 at 2023 6:44 PM

2023-04-14T18:44:26-04:00

During my 32 years of service I presented an Apolitical public Face,

I am Retired now and earned my Opinions

I have no problem with #FJB #FBO #FBC now

Never in Uniform ...

Haole

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Apr 17 at 2023 12:09 PM

2023-04-17T12:09:35-04:00

While active duty one has to remember cririczing our commander in chief is a no , no . But when one is retired I see nothing wrong while remembering when retired flag officers criticized President Trump everyone else should be able to do the same to whom ever .

Response by PO1 Frank Reiffenstein made Apr 18 at 2023 7:40 PM

2023-04-18T19:40:21-04:00

Wrong. Wrong Wrong. When you are in,the Commander and Chief is your boss. Like it or not. I believe it is also against the U. C. M. J.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made May 8 at 2023 7:34 PM

2023-05-08T19:34:39-04:00

Fuck Democrat politicians... as long as we don't criticize in uniform, go to rallies or things like that, as a civilian, we can do whatever we want, fly flags on post, stickers on cars...R v D started after JFK w Johnson, his VP, from Texas who was the biggest racist piece of shit in politics but has led up to today's democrats.

We can support anyone we want we just have tti be neutral in uniform

Response by SGT Matt Tarvin made May 9 at 2023 6:26 AM

2023-05-09T06:26:28-04:00

If you are a Civilian or a Veteran and no longer under any command, you have the right and should question, disagree with or oppose any decision made that does not fill your bill. That is what the 1st Ammendment was written for. It is to stop the Government from silencing the Population when they disagree. During our days as a Colony it could be called High Treason to disagree with the Crown and result in execution. No joke. It was potentially a Death Penalty for saying you did not agree with the King.

If you are a member of amy armed force and under any command you are prohibited by law from voicing any opposition to any decision publicly.

Response by PO1 Janice Ritz made May 9 at 2023 7:38 AM

2023-05-09T07:38:49-04:00

Never while in uniform. Active duty should respect the office of the President, not necessarily the person. If whatever they say is disrespectful, and they are in uniform and can be heard by civilians, then that is wrong and probably punishable under the USCJ (?). However, veterans can say whatever they like about the person holding office or ex-presidents. They earned that right.

Response by MGySgt Mark Kozina made May 9 at 2023 10:16 AM

2023-05-09T10:16:16-04:00

How is something almost a decade old coming up on my timeline?

Response by SGT Loren Hammons made May 9 at 2023 12:44 PM

2023-05-09T12:44:16-04:00

Soldiers no. Veterans yes. You served and willing to defend your rights.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made May 9 at 2023 1:53 PM

2023-05-09T13:53:51-04:00

I have problems with name calling and disrespectful behavior but I have no problem with criticizing policy and/or behavior or decisions that are a detriment to us and our country. We don’t have a military that blindly follows orders without a moral compass. I was just following orders doesn’t cut it today anymore than for the German guards at Auschwitz.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 9 at 2023 7:24 PM

2023-05-09T19:24:03-04:00

If shoe fits wear it. Depending on my time in... I probably would leave the service rather serve someone I didn't respect.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2023 8:41 PM

2023-05-09T20:41:01-04:00

Shouldn’t be happening openly on social media. Regardless of a SM’s personal feelings about the man he’s the Commander in Chief until his term of service ends. It’s been a while since I was in but if I recall correctly there’s an article in the UCMJ that covers this.

Response by SSG William Hull made May 9 at 2023 11:34 PM

2023-05-09T23:34:20-04:00

I can accept constructive criticism but not bashing. SHow the same respect you would want to be shown. If you are in uniform I expect you to bite your tongue and show the respect that the office/position deserves.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made May 9 at 2023 11:56 PM

2023-05-09T23:56:46-04:00

While in uniform I would never talk publicly about any part of the chain of command. I served under several Presidents, starting with Reagan. I was not happy with all of the elections after that, but would never criticize publicly. If the availability of social media has changed something, take command and instill some discipline. How are we to rely on a military that has zero respect or control?

Response by LTC George Monsson made May 10 at 2023 12:04 AM

2023-05-10T00:04:32-04:00

My take is that if you are on active duty you should not make any comments, positive or negative, about anyone in your chain of command, including the POTUS. There may be an exception if you are given an illegal order. e.g. the Chief of Staff has a duty to the country to speak up or decline to obey an illegal order from the POTUS, An example occured during the last days in office of our previous President.

On the other hand, unless a member of the reserve components is on ADT or otherwise wearing the uniform they can say anything they care to in their civilian capacity. They should not sign their comments with their military affiliation or rank. AKAIK, the Hatch act, which prohibits political activity by federal government employees, has never been applied to memeber of the NG or Reserves.

For veterans or retired members you have full 1st Amendment rights to say anything you please.

Response by Cpl Mike Searson made May 10 at 2023 2:19 AM

2023-05-10T02:19:11-04:00

Respect the office, not the man. He has nothing but contempt for you and will not support you beyond lip service and diversity training

Response by A1C Peter Chisteckoff made May 10 at 2023 4:54 AM

2023-05-10T04:54:20-04:00

Well our troops are out of Afghanistan and that's a plus. Biden is not trying to devide this country. He increased emplyeement and lowest unemployment to record lows and if the politicians, under Trump,had not lowered the bank liquidity requirements after the 2008 bank failure, these current bank failures would not be happening and a possible recession, if happening, can be blamed on them, notBisen.

Response by Lt Col Tom Best made May 10 at 2023 1:24 PM

2023-05-10T13:24:11-04:00

You refer to criticizing our President as "Down talking," which may not be justified, depending on the circumstances and gravity of the decisions being made. In our present day Armed Forces, we're seeing military readiness being compromised as a result of "leaders" at the highest echelons embracing a woke, politically-correct ideology that emphasizes diversity, equity and inclusion instead of the essentials of teamwork in warfighting. I'm putting the blame squarely where it belongs-- on the Commander-in-Chief!

Response by PO2 Jack LaBarge made May 11 at 2023 2:54 PM

2023-05-11T14:54:20-04:00

As a Person that did wear the Uniform during the Vietnam Conflict, with he CnC that we had JFJ, then LBJ 1963-1967 some of “us” understood that the Leadership, (was Not) our friend. Equipment, Supply’s never seemed to arrive in a Timely Manner! If ever!! The way the Service Person came back to (at Home) was partly (I think) an derived function of the FAILURE of the democratic liberal Leadership in Power in D.C, the Pentagon and the lazy protesters of America! Was the SAME LEADERSHIP that LEFT 100’s of POW’S and others Behind! Much like the Americans LEFT BEHIND from THIS ADMINISTRATION! Then we also had the likes of Sec State Robert McMaria (sp) who cam out and said (to the effect) thet WE KNEW that WE SWNT AMERICANS OVER THER AS CANNON FRODER! Thank you DEMOCRATS! But, for the most part none of US said crap when we were Serving. We SERVED! The likes of the People Now John Kerry, the person who when still wearing the Uniform, threw his “metal’s” awarded for so called wound’s received in country! Then also went alongside Jane Fonda went to the Paris peace (talks) and CALLED ALL SERVICEMEN MURDERS, KILLERS OF WOMAN AND CHILD! Thank you JOHN! Then “John McCain” the decorated POW who. For Years swore that ALL AMERICANS THAT HAD BEEN “POW’S” had Been brought Back or Accounted for! Ask any one that SERVED OVER THERE IF THAT WAS TRUE! May he Burn in the HELL he left his fellow POW’S! Again, WE Never said Crap about the (leadership) during our time in Service! Then the Way the Pentagon Leadership Pulled Everyone out much like JOE!

Response by PFC Walter Kingsley made May 12 at 2023 6:56 PM

2023-05-12T18:56:27-04:00

He is a communist That is what it is. Just like Russia, ( USSR ) He is destroying the nation in hopes that it will become a communist country. He should pay from his on pocket to maintain the people coming across the boarder against the law, No the tax payers.

Response by SSgt Cindy Pucillo made May 12 at 2023 8:17 PM

2023-05-12T20:17:17-04:00

We have Freedom of Speech so that we may safely criticize the government without fear of prosecution or persecution. When we sign our names on the dotted line we do not give up our Constitutional tights, however, we accept certain limitations..
Active duty and/or in uniform need to keep their opinions to themselves when in public. Say whatever you want when among friends and family. I suppose speaking in public, in civvies, might be ok on active duty if you do not identify yourself by rank or branch of service, but that's iffy.
Vets can say whatever they want, whenever. As a vet, I prefer they speak in socially acceptable language when speaking in public to spare the rest of us embarrassment.
I hope it goes without saying that sharing classified information with people not appropriately cleared is never Ok.

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made May 13 at 2023 12:29 PM

2023-05-13T12:29:07-04:00

While on duty disrespecting the President is best kept to off base. However off duty in a private place it's perfectly ok to express your opinion. Remember we all vote with some party. This president IMO deserves honest evaluation. I am glad I never served under such a frail, weak, immoral, president, not referring to anyone in particular.

Response by SFC Keith Wyman made May 13 at 2023 7:31 PM

2023-05-13T19:31:00-04:00

No matter how much you shine a turd, it is still a turd.

Response by SCPO William Surina made May 14 at 2023 9:24 AM

2023-05-14T09:24:34-04:00

A person should not have to give up rights because they are in the service.

Response by SPC Colin Ahasay made May 15 at 2023 7:58 PM

2023-05-15T19:58:42-04:00

I feel there is a difference between "The president and his/her administration is supporting policy X and I think he/she is misguided because [insert reasoned argument]" and "Ya know what, those dumbs*** losers have no clue what's really going and they need to be removed from their position".

The rest of this is a personal opinion that could be very unpopular.

Unfortunately in the United States, I think we see more of the second because political conflict is treated no different than a sporting event. Someone has to be the loser, the winner is supposed to showboat, and aside from the NFL and college basketball, nothing gets more eyeballs on a screen. I truly do not believe most Americans care what happens to anybody else or the country as a whole as long as they can gloat that their side won.

Tell me how you fix that or tell me why I'm crazy.

Response by SFC James Driggers made May 16 at 2023 1:47 AM

2023-05-16T01:47:58-04:00

I think Teddy said it best.

Response by PO1 Scott Compton made May 21 at 2023 12:27 PM

2023-05-21T12:27:27-04:00

From Veterans, I feel we have earned that right, but I still feel we need to keep it respectful! For those Military members that are still active duty, your feelings are one thing! Your opinions are what get you in trouble!

Response by SGT John Baker made May 21 at 2023 2:40 PM

2023-05-21T14:40:11-04:00

My first thought, based on how the liberal democrats reacted to President Trump, is that they must be liberal democrats. That said, we wear or wore the uniform for one reason, to protect our freedoms and our way of life. Expressing political opinions should not be barred from active duty military, even though some might think their opinions are in poor taste. One thing certain, the commander in chief is the boss and no matter who he is, it's the office that demands our respect, much like having to salute a young butter bar who may seem a little lost…

Response by Capt Mark Miller made May 22 at 2023 1:40 AM

2023-05-22T01:40:22-04:00

What makes our country strong is the ability of the Citizen Veterans TO CRITISIZE the politicians who work for US. While there are regulations and reasons for those still serving in the military to criticize the CINC, we now private citizens must criticize and hold those in government accountable. Unfortunately, we are moving towards a Roman Style Senate and Caesar where people in government are becoming a new form of royalty. And, you criticize at your own risk. Watch for the FBI and IRS at your door.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made May 22 at 2023 12:33 PM

2023-05-22T12:33:56-04:00

Being a member of the US Military does NOT remove our rights to speak as we want. And anyone that states otherwise, is a traitor to the oath they took. That being said, there IS a time and place, there IS proper and improper in regard to when, what, where, and how you express your 1st Amendment rights toward the Presidents OFFICE, an Officer or your peers.

We don't give respect to the president, the congress, the senate or even an officer. If they personally want respect, then I expect them to earn it. What we DO give is respect to the uniform and the position they hold. Disrespecting the person, is a far different thing that disrespecting the office.

You can call biden the biggest spy this country has EVER seen, you can call him a full on bribed enemy of the state and friend of china. You can say whatever you want about that turd. But you cannot do so IN UNIFORM, ON DUTY, or representing the US Military itself nor can you disrespect the office, uniform or position held.

Being military means WE EARNED the right to exercise ALL of our Constitutional Rights. We did not give them up. And the Constitution is not superceded by the UCMJ. While we must follow the requirements of the UCMJ, it does not and cannot remove our Constitutional Rights.

Proof of that we all saw with covid and the vaccine. There was a reason they could not literally ORDER military members to be forced to take it. So they used coercion and threats instead. And today, MANY of us here and our friends we know, literally left the service because of this attempt to force experimentation on everyone...something that is literally against the law from numerous Congressional passed laws, the latest ratified in 2017 in fact.

I have and will always respect the uniform, superiors, the position. I will never respect a man or woman just because they are in them. THAT they must earn.

Response by PO2 Tom Hauser made May 22 at 2023 1:26 PM

2023-05-22T13:26:24-04:00

There are several dynamics involved related to freedom of speech in the military. When in uniform and on duty you cannot speak freely - you respect the rank and follow lawful orders regardless of your personal politics, opinions, etc. When in uniform and on duty and addressing a higher ranking officer or NCO you can request to speak freely at your own risk of being reprimanded for doing so if they do not agree with what you have to say - no democracy there. Off duty and in private you can speak freely. Off duty and in public whether you are in or out of uniform where you can be identified as active duty military or a reservist on active duty you cannot speak freely.

Obama & his transgender wife that has a dick wears panties, bra, and lipstick whose real name is Micheal Robinson alias Michelle Obama with the two adopted kids are Marxist pieces of racist shit. When you are retired and out of the military you can also speak freely. When it comes to four star cluster fucks at JCOS and a Negro racist SECDEF mandating Marxist propaganda racist CRT, DEI, ESG, LGBT TRANS and WOKE social agendas instead of lawful orders you can tell them and whoever they send to indoctrinate you on that WOKE shit to go fuck themselves - you serve the American people and defend the United States of America not WOKE Democrat POS Biden fluffers trying to undermine the morale, military readiness, and military fitness of the United States military and all of its branches of service.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made May 23 at 2023 12:41 PM

2023-05-23T12:41:24-04:00

Veterans can say what they believe without repercussions. Active/Reserve soldiers must hold views so as to not come under UCMJ actions.

Response by Sgt Luis Bonilla made May 24 at 2023 9:35 PM

2023-05-24T21:35:22-04:00

Am a Veteran and retired law enforcement officer I follow my voting rights and I also follow our constitution I have an opinion and if that opinion is fully against our current or past presidents where it may be negative or positively all well however, in uniform or active service you keep those opinions to yourself and you serve with honor, pride and duty

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made May 27 at 2023 12:15 AM

2023-05-27T00:15:45-04:00

we all have the right and freedom to express ourselves .
yet I do not Recommend it when on active duty, or when wearing the military uniform. especially while in Military Uniform, or on any of the social media sights, especially if you have pic of yourself in military Uniform, or stated you are in the military service.

I recommend removing this information from your social media sight, for several reason, not going to list them all,
Why ,do I recommend removing all pic of you in military Uniform, or any statements telling everyone you are a military service member ?
the command can say or make a case that you are speaking out on behalf of your Military service , it will cause a lot of unnecessary grief for you .

all it takes is one individual, who doesn't like what you posted, or what you said, to make your life completely Miserable, you will have to live though a investigation to prove you did nothing wrong, or you might find out you unknowing did something wrong, so it best to keep your political views to yourself and just quietly vote the way you believe. until you are retired or discharged from military service.

if you are currently discharged or retired from your Military service, then say and do as you please, I really do not care, you have every right to express your political thoughts and views, as long as you are expressing your views peacefully and try to keep them respectful . Like I often remind todays young adults, I may completely disagree with your political views, thoughts and opinions but I have fought for your right to peacefully express them, you have every God Given ,Constitutional Right to do so. just as I have every right to peacefully disagree with you.

yet you do not have any rights to your own truth or facts.
Sadly many of todays young adults believe they do.

Truth and facts cannot be changed, do not misunderstand me, Scientific theories can always be Challenged or question, in order to prove or disprove a theory, it does not change the truth or facts, it only says we were correct or wrong in the scientific theory.
I truly disliked the expression tell me your Truth.
there is only one truth, not multiple sets of truth, or facts, there isn't your Truth, or , mine, his, hers etc .
for example we currently have Gov officials, school teachers, teaching are children a outright lie on gender, teaching that there are 52 different genders , this is not a scientific fact or even a scientific theory, it a outright lie, being pushed by one political party, in order to push there political policy and agenda.

the scientific facts are, there is only two genders, this is a scientific and Biological fact, when you are born you have XY OR XX Genetic, if you have XY, YOU ARE A MALE, IF YOU HAVE XX YOU ARE FEMALE, nothing can change this scientific Fact, we are not little Gods that can change are gender by just snaping are fingers and saying it is so, thus making ourselves the opposite gender, anyone who is saying this is twisting the truth, twisting the laws of Science, nature and god , they are demanding we accept there insanity.
yes this is insanity !
we do not help the mentally insane by accepting there insanity, this will not help them accept the truth or scientific facts. so I refuse to do so. we are not helping these individuals by playing along with there insanity, they need to learn to Accept the simple Truth and Scientific fact in reality, they were born a male or female and they must learn to live with it, no amount of clothing, cosmetic surgery or chemical castration will change this fact! it really is that simple.

Response by PFC James Henderson made Jun 17 at 2023 11:56 AM

2023-06-17T11:56:21-04:00

When I was in during the Clinton years, when a member was name-calling and bashing the president, I would always ask why? I would try to teach my future NCO's to base an argument with facts. That made us a team with our right to thank while doing the job. Since the military is based on rules and not opinions, making rank faster was easier. Having their opinions expressed in such a matter based on facts gave our team the chance to discuss the facts and made the day go by faster. Yes, I was disappointed that Clinton was getting allot more woopy than all my team members put to gather, but I was trying to build my colleges minds on how to succeed in the military and corporate life.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Jun 18 at 2023 9:04 PM

2023-06-18T21:04:07-04:00

Considering the Oath you take going into the military, and again when you respond is to uphold and defend the Constitution, nowhere in it does it state to the POTUS or Vice POTUS. The 1st Amendment in the Bill of Rights gives every citizen of this country the right to free speech, it does not say politically correct speech. Like my dad, who was a retired combat Veteran of three wars, used to say, " opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one; and they all stink."
I had the unfortunate pleasure of serving under a POTUS on my 1st hitch that was no friend to either this country or the military either. His name is Jimmy Carter, worse he is a fellow Veteran and how he did us in the military his first three years in office....... Then Ronald Regan was elected POTUS and things changed for the better. But the so called POTUS that is in office now, with what he has done to this country and to the military, along with the POTUS he served under as the vice potus for eight years.... It goes without saying, both him and the Democrat party accusing Republicans of doing things that have been shown that the democrats are guilty of doing.....
Like I stated early in this post, the oath you take going into the military, you swear to uphold and defend the Constitution, not uphold and defend or allegiance to the POTUS. Finally FREEDOM of SPEECH does apply and plays into it.

Response by SGT Michael McKeown made Jun 27 at 2023 12:05 PM

2023-06-27T12:05:30-04:00

As a veteran I believe we have a right to criticize who is the president of the United States. That being stated I do not believe a person serving in the Armed Forces does not have the right to publicly criticize the Commander-in-Chief. When I served, you were not allowed to have a political opinion. It does not matter if you like the President or not, he is still the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. What would happen if you criticized your commanding officer? I imagine that would be a violation of USMJ

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made Jun 27 at 2023 1:29 PM

2023-06-27T13:29:13-04:00

Biden is a criminal, Obama was a lover who gave away the store, and Clinton was busy getting with an intern while soldiers died in Mogadishu. Call it like I see it. Problem with that?

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jun 27 at 2023 2:16 PM

2023-06-27T14:16:15-04:00

Veterans are citizens, not controuled by the military can say anything that they want about their president or any military officer. Its their duty to freely express their opinions as long as they arent threatning or liableous The military had better watch their p's and q's as long as they are in but after they get out, "dd214" They can express their opinion, and should. I have been out for out for over 50 years and I damn well will say what I want about any president, senator, etc. There is a little thing called the first admenment in the constitution that gives me that right and no military person can take that away.

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Jun 28 at 2023 12:13 AM

2023-06-28T00:13:45-04:00

First, I'm a veteran and I served this this country and as my oath said, defend the constitution of the United States. Well the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech. Look at your politicians, calling for the deaths of other politicians, even the president. 25 years ago if anybody even spoke about the death of a president they were investigated and thrown in jail, depending on who you are. The first amendment protects every body. Not just the average civilian. My opinion, MY OPINION, as a veteran I should be able to speak what I want, not what the military or goverment tells me to. Which that's what it coming to. As well as protecting active duty. If the first amendment can't PROTECT EVERYONE get rid of it, it's useless. But this country is on its way to that. In a very few years if this country keeps on the same track, there will be no Constution at all.

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made Jun 28 at 2023 11:14 AM

2023-06-28T11:14:00-04:00

No problem if Veterans do it.
But if you're on Active Duty, there are regulations against that.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2023 2:52 PM

2023-06-28T14:52:49-04:00

Veterans are entitled to make their opinions known. However, freedom of speech is not unlimited since one cannot shout fire in a theater when no fire exists.

Serving personnel need to remember to take into consideration the UMCJ when making comments and especially how their comments could impact future prospects for promotion or dismissal from military.

Response by CPL Ray Gutierrez made Jun 29 at 2023 10:03 AM

2023-06-29T10:03:35-04:00

It isn't just a right, but an obligation of every American to question our leaders when they are found to have questionable actions. I don't care what position is being held, we, as veterans and those currently enlisted should be able to question the actions of our leaders. We have all taken the oath to defend this nation against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. And this oath does end at the end of our term of service.

Response by CW4 Richard Norton made Jun 29 at 2023 3:58 PM

2023-06-29T15:58:36-04:00

I have been retired since ‘05 and still refer to the current president with the title President in front of his name. As a veteran I have the privilege of criticizing any president, current or past, but I still respect the office even if I don’t like the person. I exercise my privilege at the ballot box and anyone who does not vote has no right to criticize anyone in office.

Response by PVT Darrell Ballein made Jun 30 at 2023 5:44 AM

2023-06-30T05:44:48-04:00

the way i see it,we all make decisions,opinions,ideas that arent really shared by others,but i also think that we can comment on the decisions others make but just not in such a mean and nasty ways.we are all in this together.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Jun 30 at 2023 8:42 AM

2023-06-30T08:42:42-04:00

I seem to recall our Oath saying we shall protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. It also says something about obeying the orders of the officers appointed over you. That doesn't mean you can't disagree with the CinC. That doesn't mean you have to respect the person, but you damn well better respect the Office. You have an opinion, you can freely express it, but don't resort to demeaning, belittling comments. Disagree with policies, disagree with political nonsense, but always bear in mind, we are supposed to remain apolitical, not partisan.

Response by SN Russell Helberg made Jun 30 at 2023 2:23 PM

2023-06-30T14:23:44-04:00

hes not my president--freedom of speech--or have we lost that to???

Response by Gary Butler made Jun 30 at 2023 6:26 PM

2023-06-30T18:26:05-04:00

Soldiers and others who have as their boss the CIC, no matter how many levels up he/she may be. NO! Anybody else including veterans, YES! That is America. Thank you all for allowing it to be so.

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Jul 1 at 2023 12:31 PM

2023-07-01T12:31:20-04:00

If the Commander is inept or a total fool, must you keep your mouth shut and follow him to hell? No, our military personnel are not lemmings, to follow blindly. Your freedom of speech and thought are not abrogated because you put on a uniform. If anything negative is said, it must be followed by proof. To blindly follow a leader who lost the ability to think, is the mark of a fool….

Response by SPC C Moli made Jul 1 at 2023 2:32 PM

2023-07-01T14:32:38-04:00

Veterans have every right to bash or say what the want. I just hope they can back up their statements with a good logic. Active duty, I think is different. Bitching and griping is one thing, public bashing with anything that identifies them as active duty is questionable.
I didn’t vote for Biden, but I respect that he is my Commander and Chief. As a Vet,
I’ll say what I want but if this old (I’m not that old) solider is ever called upon to pick up his rifle again and defend our country, I’ll do so, regardless if I voted for that President or not.

Response by PO1 George Noble made Jul 1 at 2023 5:43 PM

2023-07-01T17:43:06-04:00

There should not be any down talking our commander in chief.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jul 1 at 2023 11:10 PM

2023-07-01T23:10:08-04:00

Should never happen...however, currently, I would look the other way...

Response by 1stSgt Ronald Sheps made Jul 2 at 2023 1:52 AM

2023-07-02T01:52:28-04:00

In uniform, it is never correct. If speaking as a citizen, as long as it is clear you’re speaking on behalf of yourself only, I have no problem. My personal wish would be a disclaimer that you are not speaking on behalf of the military.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Jul 2 at 2023 11:47 AM

2023-07-02T11:47:32-04:00

I have no faith in the political leadership in our country on either side of the aisle.

Response by Sgt John H. made Jul 2 at 2023 11:57 AM

2023-07-02T11:57:04-04:00

Where were the objections when Trump, Obama, Bush. Etc. Where attacked on rally point? The military swears an oatt to uphold the people's rights, the country and our constitution. Not express their political beliefs

Response by SSG Kristian Kanavy made Jul 2 at 2023 3:24 PM

2023-07-02T15:24:49-04:00

When posting anything on social media about a member of congress or the commander in chief, it's best to politely criticize the policy decision itself while removing any connection/affiliation with the Army. That means you shouldn't take pictures of yourself in uniform or say anything along the lines of "As a U.S. Army soldier...."

Your first amendment rights as a private citizen to criticize the actions of the government are still protected. You just need to ensure that when you do so, you don't add in anything about your service affiliation. The moment you mention anything about your affiliation, it can be interpreted as contempt or insubordination. Both of those are UCMJ punishable offenses.

A post I might make on social media as it pertains to anything the U.S. government does would be something along the lines of "I disagree with this policy decision because of the potential for [insert possible effects here]."

I don't attack the person because most of us, in spite of what we think, are human and are probably trying to do the right thing. I would want the benefit of a doubt if the roles were reversed. I try to maintain the same attitude for others.

I hope this helps.

Response by SSG John Mtz made Jul 2 at 2023 4:05 PM

2023-07-02T16:05:01-04:00

I believe that we all that take the OATH of our country should honor it, lately within this "Eh Hem" installed Administration, as well at the local state and federal level governments, affecting our most senior military officers (Pentagon Level), as they have not taken the OATH seriously, undermining our great founding U.S. Constitution i.e. guaranteed freedom(s) such as the 1st, the 2nd amendments our Sovereignty, just to name a few, especially during the mandated COVID period. We should all be able to voice and criticized those that would/ will not honor the OATH they swore to uphold and hold them accountable. Unfortunately, MOSTLY those that violate this honor appears to come from Democrats, who impose and support a DOUBLE standard of justice and social equity. hopefully in 2024 we elect a President that will make America Great Again.

Response by SPC Rick Price made Jul 3 at 2023 1:49 PM

2023-07-03T13:49:23-04:00

IMO Def not during duty hours. Everyone is entitled to their opinion tho, but obviously can’t make threats or anything like that.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jul 3 at 2023 3:06 PM

2023-07-03T15:06:56-04:00

Couple of issues here. First of all, soldiers in uniform should not talk about politics or try to make their political points of view triumph over others. Next we have a number of rights under the Constitution, Bill of Rights and through the cultural norms built up over centuries. (The USA is not a fledgling country. We have been around for a while and should be able to act maturely and wisely. And yeah, roll tape on the laugh track. Still, 247 years is time and should be considered to have some sort of expectations attached.)

So, we have the Constitutional right to have opinions that others may find disturbing and we have responsibilities to maintain good order and discipline while obeying the officers appointed over us, except for illegal orders which we disregard at our own risks.

As Judge Jackson put it last week in her dissenting opinion in the US v. Harvard and US v North Carolina decision last week, ""Deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life." In the service, we might well substitute "Rank" for "Race."

I was always the most left-leaning soldier in the room whenever politics came up, and primarily kept my mouth shut. I tried very hard not to ever let race or politics impact my decisions, and to not express my opinions to my soldiers. I am sure most of my soldiers assumed I was some hard core Republican, or at least politically conservative. Now, in civilian clothes over coffee or a drink in my drinking days, I might have let my lifelong Progressive Democratic beliefs slip.

If you have personal issues with Vice President Harris or former President Obama, you should examine your conscience to see if your opinions are based on performance or on some racist tendencies. If your complaints are based in policy, whether in uniform or out, be careful. The first time the Army implemented STOP/LOSS in 1990, I explained it to my soldiers -- all men -- by pointing to the ugliest and most disagreeable platoon sergeant, and said "It means that if you want to ETS, you need to walk up to Sergeant Smedlap and kiss him on the lips." That was during "don't ask, don't tell" and was not out of line at that time. Today, it would be received in shock and I could expect to receive orders to take off my diamonds and go off to pass out towels in the gym until I received my ETS orders. And, I would have deserved it.

You have a duty and responsibility to pay attention to politics and policies. Bitching about them especially as it concerns faces in the chain of command is something to avoid, since anything you say could be taken as being contrary to good order and discipline. But personally and professionally, it's a good idea to stay current on the values, beliefs and attitudes of men and women who get you killed.

Response by MSgt Horace Smith made Jul 3 at 2023 6:16 PM

2023-07-03T18:16:36-04:00

While I served, I kept my politics to myself. After I retired I consider that the First Amendment is part of the Constitution that I served to protect.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jul 3 at 2023 7:02 PM

2023-07-03T19:02:08-04:00

There might be two issues here.
One: Every member of the military is obligated to protect, defend, and obey the President as Commander-in-Chief of all US military forces. Anything that even appears to contradict that is against the very oath we took.
Two: No member of the US military loses any of their Constitutional Rights, due to their membership in the Military. You have all the rights of a civilian; this includes criticisms of elected persons, which includes the President.
These two issues can easily clash; this is particularly true when the public's eye is on the military member. Even Civilian Employees of the DOD (or, indeed, and Department) face things like this (and many a DOD Civilian Employee is a Veteran and/or Retiree).
The expectation is that we are Professionals. When we talk, it is after considerable thought. In addition, we measure our words, and speak with deliberation. Our criticism should be fact-based. Name-calling is not considered professional, or even dignified.

Bottom line: You have the right to free speech. You also have the responsibility to understand that you represent the Government (particularly when in Uniform). Remember that.

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Jul 3 at 2023 11:52 PM

2023-07-03T23:52:53-04:00

Kinda confused. Thought this was in regards to biden. But Obama stuff coming up. Seems an old pist got comments and was bumped. Much like my pay, and my religious preference. I keep my opinions of former and current presidents to myself. Let others vent and say what they will. On the above issues I am Switzerland. I am nuetral

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jul 4 at 2023 12:00 PM

2023-07-04T12:00:30-04:00

Soldiers have to watch what they say because the govt. basically owns them but veterans can and should express their opinions freely. I sure as hell will say whatever I want about any president or high ranking military officials and if they don't like it, they can kiss my ass.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jul 4 at 2023 12:55 PM

2023-07-04T12:55:54-04:00

I Believe It Depends Upon The President, Who He Is And What He Does.
I Served From 06/29/1961 - 06/10/65., And Served Proudly Under The Command Of JFK Until His Assassination. But When Trump, The Draft Dodger, Was The Commander-In-Chief;
Just The Though Of Having To Saluting Him, Turns My Stomach Inside Out....

Response by MGySgt Ronald Pinion made Jul 4 at 2023 2:36 PM

2023-07-04T14:36:56-04:00

I don’t usually jump in on these “political” commentaries. But, in this case some folks seem to be blending the facts. I agree as an ACTIVE or RESERVE component of the Armed Services, the appointed person is the Cmdr in Chief. However, one may feel about it I was taught as a young Marine “You don’t voice your personal believes” the old “chain of cmnd”. But, as a retiree there is nothing that should prevent us from voicing our concerns or complaints. After all, I served and supported stupid diligently for 27 yrs. Once, the uniform was off and hung up we regained our right to free speech and have no constitutional obligations, no UCMJ or other regulatory restraints. Other than to be “professional, unbiased etc,”. I personally don’t see the gain in bad mouthing anyone in media. As for who or what we think that should be represented and voiced during election years. (Although that even seems to have been tainted and the power of voting reduced for the avg American). By all means we are entitled to opinions, but slandering and name calling hasn’t ever fixed anything. I can hear brain cells churning now

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2023 3:05 PM

2023-07-04T15:05:18-04:00

I think there are ways to facilitate respectful and rational communication. And, of course, there are ways to prevent respectful and rational communication. There are ways to communicate respectful insights and perspectives without name-calling and down-right vitriol. The reason that politics is (and religion are) considered off limits in discussions is that discussions can quickly turn into name-calling and defense-producing acrimonious, rancorous, bitterness and spitefulness. At one point, after seeing so much unproductive and irrational name-calling (etc.), I thought I'd leave the R.P. web site. Like many retirees and veterans, I have service-connected PTSD and MDD. Name-calling and savage, venomous, poisonous, maliciousness are triggers to PTSD and MDD and I have to avoid them if I want to remain sane. So, in response to this question, "How do you feel about veterans or Soldiers criticizing our President?" I think it depends upon how criticism is communicated and what motives criticism. Good question. . . .

Response by SFC Lynn Santosuosso made Jul 5 at 2023 8:51 AM

2023-07-05T08:51:00-04:00

Personally, I am tired of this culture of not taking responsibility, blaming someone else for their problems, and just whining and bitching about every little thing someone doesn’t like.

Name calling is immature and ignorant, it serves no purpose, you are not In second grade anymore fighting over toys in a sandbox! My response to that is, if you are not trying to find the solution then you are part of the problem!
Another is synonymous with the Monday morning quarterback, if you can do better then go for it! We the people seem to have forgotten, somewhere along the way, that politicians work for us! We pay them, we put them in their jobs, if we don’t like something that they are doing then write them up like you would a slacking employee. Tell them that you don’t like their actions and attitudes. They need to hear it not the guy sitting next to you, not every other crybaby on Facebook, tell the politician! Start at your local level, go to town meetings and express your concerns, offer solutions. Write to you reps and senators, run for office yourself, and above all else, vote them out with someone with a brain who has ideas and integrity. We listen to too many promises without plans. Challenge candidates to explain HOW they plan on accomplishing these promises. Write to your elected officials, tell them that there are better solutions and encourage bipartisan solutions! Hold their feet to the fire!!
Instead of complaining and name calling , we all need to grow up and look for solutions! This, us against them mentality has to stop, it breaks us apart and perpetuates hatred! It is unbecoming and asinine. Stop blaming and start solving like responsible, mature adults!

United we stand, Divided we fall!

Response by CPO Kim Hanthorn made Jul 5 at 2023 9:38 AM

2023-07-05T09:38:28-04:00

I swore an OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION FIRST. I’m retired, and now I’m an AMERICAN CITIZEN and I’ll say what the fuck I want when I want and any Liberal pussy doesn’t like that they can kiss my ass. PRESIDENTS ARE ELECTED NOT APPOINTED, AND I WILL NEVER TRUST THIS SON OF A Bitch OCCUPYING THE WHITE HOUSE NOW! If you can’t see what this asshole is doing to our country you have lost your mind. His administration has weaponized the DOJ, FBI, IRS, and any other alphabet soup organization out there, and they are destroying our Military. I don’t give a dam how you dress behind the door of your house, but when you put the Uniform on, the CONSTITUTION, and the COUNTRY COME FIRST. There is no room for cross dressing transgender bullshit in the military. For all you liberal Democrats, this is not a war of the left and Right, it’s a war of RIGHT AND WRONG, MORAL AND IMMORAL, ETHICAL AND UNETHICAL. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ALLOWS A CHILD TO GO TO A TRANSGENDER FREAK SHOW AND LET THEM SHAKE THEIR BALLS AND ASS IN A CHILDS FACE. AND THAT TRANSGENDER FLAG HANGING ON THE WHITE HOUSE WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG DRAPED ON EITHER SIDE IS A NO GO IN MY BOOK. WE HAVE SOME SICK PIECES OF SHIT RUNNING OUR COUNTRY. I am exercising my Freedom of Speech under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution for the United States. I spent 25+ years defending it, now I’m going to use what so many have served and died for. The only people who will have an issue with what I say are a bunch of liberals who support socialism, because you sure as hell don’t support the Constitution and the freedom of speech if you do.

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Jul 5 at 2023 3:30 PM

2023-07-05T15:30:43-04:00

Depends on how it is done. Every Citizen has the Right and Responsibility to take part in our governing process; VOTING is basically casting your opinion but it not public unless you make it so. Backing your chosen candidate is a very American thing to do. Denigrating those you oppose unfortunately is too but shouldn't be. Focus on policies rather than personality would be my advise but even then you WILL run into some snowflake officers/senior enlisted who get butthurt because your opinion wasn't the same as theirs. Back in the day (Desert Storm) I was opposed to the operation as I felt the USA was being "played" by certain interests (primarily Saudi Arabia & Kuwait). No doubt Saddam Hussein was a terrible leader and a horrible human being and deserved the hanging he got but it wasn't our business...I'm not an isolationist by any means...but the truth is it doesn't really matter which nation (SA, Kuwait, Iraq) controls which oil wells they will work together to stick it to the west from time to time...so I couldn't see spending US $ & shedding US blood for their squabble and S.Hussein was a stabilizer against Iran...so my personal thought was LEAVE IT ALONE, let the Middle East & Europe if they want to settle it out...but the U.S. President unfortunately saw it differently, but I still made my opinion known and then volunteered to go and do my duty so others wouldn't have to. But that is just how I roll. Every American has the RIGHT, the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to their opinion...how you voice it while serving in the DoD is the critical issue IMO. Always be respectful, but be true to your own thoughts and feelings at the same time.

Response by PO3 Rob Laity made Jul 6 at 2023 2:56 AM

2023-07-06T02:56:00-04:00

If one is talking about Barack Obama and Joseph Biden, I have accused both of them of treason and espionage against the United States. Barack Obama usurped the Presidency, by fraud, during time of war. Both Biden and Pelosi were complicit. That makes them all subject to court-martial as spies and traitors under 10USC (UCMJ 903.103-Spies). There was at least one brave soldier who questioned Obama's bona-fides as President. If one usurps the office one is by law NOT the actual President. Read my book "Imposters in the Oval Office"

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2023 3:33 AM

2023-07-07T03:33:22-04:00

I support the truth ack-up by facts. No matter who is speaking.
However you look at any situation in the USA, schools, military readiness, taxes. international respect/fear we are much worse off today than we have ever been.
We are weak and vulneable on all fronts and worse yet from within.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Jul 7 at 2023 4:07 PM

2023-07-07T16:07:15-04:00

GREAT. Another great thing about being an American.
There are facts and opinions. Given how bad pedo Joe has screwed the entire country the mere assumption soldiers MUST follow every order 100% is absurd.
UCMJ says somewhere that they don't have to follow ANY unlawful order and even one that violates ones religious beliefs.
I don't care if it was Obama and the few previous who were bad enough. There is a difference between the rank/office and the person. All actions have consequences.

Response by SPC Bill Houlis made Jul 9 at 2023 1:26 PM

2023-07-09T13:26:57-04:00

1A absolutely matters. Those that volunteered to defend the Constitution has the right even when it comes to criticizing the president.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Jul 9 at 2023 8:20 PM

2023-07-09T20:20:40-04:00

You took an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution and to obey the orders from your superiors.
If you don’t like your Commander in Chief, every 4 years you can vote to remove them.
Even if Politicians don’t respect the Uniform you should, stand strong and always remember your duty is to protect the Nation, The Constitution and the American people regardless of who is in office.

Response by A1C Diane Phillips made Jul 9 at 2023 11:42 PM

2023-07-09T23:42:45-04:00

I think anybody has the right to say if they like or dislike a president whether you're in the military or not!

Response by A1C Diane Phillips made Jul 9 at 2023 11:44 PM

2023-07-09T23:44:11-04:00

I should add though absolutely no name calling but you can say that you dislike them and what you don't like about what they do!

Response by SFC James Cortez made Jul 10 at 2023 11:10 AM

2023-07-10T11:10:35-04:00

All service members are voters and have an absolute right to believe the "President of the United States" is in "ERROR" or doesn't reflect his/her "VALUES". However, the POTUS is the Commander-In-Chief and deserves the appropriate respect in accordance with UCMJ and military regulations. First, I don't understand what "countless remarks" or "seeing post from soldiers and veterans" means or entails, thus this "ambiguous" statement is "fact less" and doesn't deserve a comment. Second, if you are coming here to vent because your political ideology feelings were hurt, then you're nothing more than a KAREN! Move on!

Response by PFC George Kear made Jul 11 at 2023 7:26 AM

2023-07-11T07:26:10-04:00

This should not be allowed in the ranks, as a soldier you should respect and obey your commander in chief. As a veteran you have earned the right to speak your mind good bad or indifferent about policies that affect you and your community

Response by SPC Anthony Jackson made Jul 13 at 2023 10:59 AM

2023-07-13T10:59:59-04:00

I left the service in 2010 because I did not want to serve under him.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Jul 20 at 2023 11:28 AM

2023-07-20T11:28:18-04:00

I think we should have the right to talk about our Commander in Chief. We have that freedom of speech and we need to use it however, there is a time and place to express your opinion and beliefs etc. Being a Soldier, Marine, Sailor etc social media IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. That crap could and would get you into serious trouble and it's social media. We all know that we can say that the sky is blue today and within a sec the same sky that is blue is posted on Social media that all hell broke loose. What what you say and do and never post. In my opinion but then again I could be wrong to someone.

Response by PO1 Terry Scott made Jul 30 at 2023 11:16 PM

2023-07-30T23:16:29-04:00

In uniform be very careful or just shut up. In uniform around civilians could be the kiss of death. Name calling deserves a bust in rank because it makes you sound like every democrat that has called every republican president every name in the book and if you have a clue they don’t know the meaning because that party has done it from the dawn of time. To have a carefully thought out argument about a policy with references and examples is just fine. That’s how this republic that uses democracy as a tool should work. The gleefully uninformed in the government bureaucracy is trashing this country. Why did democrats want to tear down the embarrassing statues of racist democrats that the democrats put up? Why do the new dealers want to get rid of ‘cockpit’ in airplanes? Because they don’t know the coxswain steered the ship from the pit where the wheel was. So there. My two cents, a history and current events lesson and an example on how to not get bar-b-qued by a thin skinned idiot. Good luck. Man have I have some stories. Just like Patton I once had to make a command apology but it didn’t make my record and got me a bunch of dates because most everyone thought the same but were afraid to say so. Be careful, be very careful, respectful and you damn well better be right.

Response by PO3 John King made Aug 9 at 2023 9:32 AM

2023-08-09T09:32:05-04:00

If you're on active duty, keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, say what you will. Last time I checked we still have free speech.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Aug 9 at 2023 12:12 PM

2023-08-09T12:12:03-04:00

Freedom of speech and freedom in it's entirety is what we defend or defended during our tenure. I don't feel bashing is called for however calling an idiot an idiot and expressing ones opinion of someone regardless of their status or position is exactly what we served for. Honestly this current President is not worthy of his position. A couple I served under were total morons as well but I did my duty and kept my mouth shut. Since my duty title is Mister I'll say what I damn well please. Don't like it? Don't listen......

Response by SSgt Peter Phillips made Aug 9 at 2023 5:32 PM

2023-08-09T17:32:02-04:00

Service members have no place opining on politics or their supervisors in public, and sure as shit aren't to disparage ANY Commander in Chief

Active duty need to maintain bearing and an outward show respect for all command and superiors at all times. Zero exceptions. Violators should be reprimanded and be striped of supervisor duties at minimum. And, troop use of electronic communication and social media needs to be severely hemmed in.

That being said, any oath taker side with, making excuses for or justifying 01.06.23 disgust me. I'd like to see Gen Flynn and all other dishonorable veterans striped of benefits and reduced to E1. I suspect Flynn has a reconning coming.

Response by SGT Earl Curtis made Aug 9 at 2023 10:28 PM

2023-08-09T22:28:33-04:00

Paul, I know how you feel. I never voted for the guy but as a veteran I do try to temper my remarks. For active duty, even if a service member hates the whole Biden Crime Family and its two tier justice that Joe's US Attorney General gives, one must remember he is still your Commander-In-Chief and keep all remarks about Biden in the context of the greatest respect one can give to the Commander-In-Chief.
As far as Veterans, we have earned the right to be brutally honest. Liberal veterans were not charitable to Trump and I never expected them to be. It is always right to be open minded and not end friendships over politics. To this day, I have friends who now hate me because as a Democrat in California, I voted for Trump and some months later I changed parties to Republican. I even had a Republican friend who was supporting Governor Kasich who could not believe I was going to vote for Trump. I haven't heard from him since. I sent him emails and he never responded. Polarized politics can be so sad.
But to your point, there is a point where legitimate free speech as a service member ends and insubordination begins. Never disrespect a superior rank. Unless of course, you want time in a military Prison or like spending time in a military court. You really bring up a solid point.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2023 10:31 AM

2023-08-10T10:31:24-04:00

Hey LOW LIFE this is America. My Constitution is not suspended because I am a Soldier or a Veteran. U want to TRY to take my GOD GIVEN Constitutional Rights from me then U ARE GOING TO LOSE.
Plus U are in DIRECT Violation of the OATH u took to get into the military. Which could have u going to war a against a domestic Foe.

I will put it this strongly kid. U ARE committing TREASON in my book. U have but one punishment and two ways to have that punishment done. There is nothing in our Constitution As It Is Written that we give up ANY of our Constitutional rights. If u do not like it guess what LIFE DOES NOT CARE.
Ur trying to take us into a mob rule or dictatorship and we are not a democracy or dictatorship.

What brought on that STUPID Question DEMONCRAT???? U not making rank fast enough to be able to bully people under u?

Response by LCpl Mary Pullin made Aug 10 at 2023 11:03 AM

2023-08-10T11:03:04-04:00

One should ALWAYS respect the office; as to the <i>individual</i> holding that office, we-ell............. (One reason I could never be Secret Service)
<i>THAT</i> said, for active duty personnel, they must be careful about espousing ... divergent views, <i>especially</i> in uniform (<snark ON>unless they're being used as props by Joe Bidet (Marines)</snark OFF>. Veterans, however, have the RIGHT, if not the OBLIGATION, to question ANY politician's fitness/policy choices/etc.
Semper Fi'
DM

Response by LTC John Griscom made Aug 10 at 2023 11:41 AM

2023-08-10T11:41:46-04:00

Must not be done by the military!! Should not be done by any veterans organization.
OK for individual veterans.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Aug 10 at 2023 2:11 PM

2023-08-10T14:11:48-04:00

I’m inclined to train them like I would any butterbar that doesn’t have any military training or experience, a president that will not listen to his military personnel will not be a leader.

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Aug 10 at 2023 8:16 PM

2023-08-10T20:16:53-04:00

I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES, ESPECIALLY FOR ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY. WHY? BECAUSE THE POTUS HAS ANOTHER TITLE AND THAT IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

WHEN I SERVED DURING THE COLD WAR GUARDING THE BORDERS BETWEEN WEST GERMANY AND THE CZECH REPUBLIC THERE WAS A REFORGER ACTIVATION OFF ALL UNITED STATES EUROPEAN FORCES, AND WE WERE OUT ON THE ROAD FOR 60 DAYS TOTAL (INCLUDING LIVE FIRE AT GRAFFENWOHR AND BEING ONE OF THE FIRST TO SEE THE A-10 WARTHOG TANK KILLER IN ACTION).

DURING THIS EVENT WHILE ME AND OTHER GUNBUNNY'S (ARTILLERY CREWMAN) WERE GETTING A RARE HOT MEAL OF CHILI CON-CARNE OVER RICE, AND A BRIG GENERAL WALKED UP AND ADDRESSED US. WHAT HE SAID STUCK WITH ME FROM THEN UNTIL NOW. HE SAID THAT WHEN WE SPEAK ILL OF THE PRESIDENT, THEN WE ARE ADDRESSING THE PERSON WHO IS AT THE TOP OF OUR CHAIN OF COMAND. WELL?

THE MODERN MILITARY DOES NOT SEEM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AS PART OF MILITARY ETIQUETTE. UNIT COHESION CAN CERTAINLY BE AFFECTED BY TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, RATHER DEBATING IT. WHEN I WAS IN MY ARMY COMPANY, MY MIND WAS TOO BUSY TO LEAVE THE PATH SET BEFORE ME AND TO GET ENTANGLED IN THE AFFAIRS OF STATE. WE ARE TO CALLED BY OATH TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT INCLUDES SUPPORTING AND RESPECTING OUR CHAIN OF COMMAND. WELL THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Aug 12 at 2023 10:00 AM

2023-08-12T10:00:24-04:00

Although freedom of speech applies of the is no reference to or shown uniform. It should not happen due to the oath taken. Civilians can do what they like until it becomes a legal issue or threats are made...

Response by SGT John Peebles made Aug 12 at 2023 12:12 PM

2023-08-12T12:12:00-04:00

Any person wearing a uniform and serving their country have the right to free speech , however they need to have the professionalism to keep opinions about the HMFIC away from the media all together. jokes are funny and sometimes so true. We need to show solidarity to our country and it's leaders especially when wearing the uniform. Difference of opinion keeps us healthy and in check. Hate destroys our country and its foundations If you don't support your country maybe try a different one for a while see how that works for you.

Response by MSG Thomas Finn made Aug 12 at 2023 3:21 PM

2023-08-12T15:21:51-04:00

I am thinking the military should start having civic classes for all those whose serve. After reading many remarks it is safe to say lessons need to be learned. I personally served under the US Constitution and its values.
I retired with 31 years and 9 months and little changed. Most military policies come from the pentagon not the White House.

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Aug 12 at 2023 8:56 PM

2023-08-12T20:56:03-04:00

From day one when I enlisted, yes, like everyone else I swore an oath to uphold and defend our country. To me, this included Respecting… the office of the president, which I do. BUT… it never says that respecting the individual Holding said office is a requirement. So, that being said, my respect has been, and always Will be, to the OFFICE, that does not mean that I Must respect the individual!
I will respect the position you hold, but Not necessarily You, unless you have shown me that you have Earned that respect.
The Current office holder lost My respect Long before he got elected to the highest seat in office in this country. He’d Might get a Yessir or Yesmam out of me, but most likely not.
Respect is Earned, not Given or commanded! Most who have held any time in service know and understand this

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Aug 12 at 2023 9:02 PM

2023-08-12T21:02:31-04:00

I will add one thing more, and will leave it at that,….. when Mr. Biden ordered our troops and personnel out of Afghanistan in the way he did, while leaving BILLIONS of dollars of our equipment and cash behind, not to mention American citizens and those afghan nationals who helped and supported us, and cost us the lives of 13 of our finest to lose their lives, calling the “evacuation” (retreat) a success, all I have found in him, is disgust. Hence a Complete lack of respect for him, and his entire administration.

That’s my piece. God save us all

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Aug 12 at 2023 9:23 PM

2023-08-12T21:23:26-04:00

When we have "woke" "CRT" oriented flag generals and a commander in chief, brain dead as Biden, then the ranks will sense the environment being dangerously close to revolt. We use to think our military was absent from political actions but Austin/Milley and other flag officers have contributed to the lack of discipline now evident in the military. This sitting around a fire and singing Kum bi ah has left our military without a mission and priority to be mission ready. Thank the Commander in Chief; Milley; and Austin for this demise.

Response by PO1 Kenneth Helmick made Aug 13 at 2023 12:55 PM

2023-08-13T12:55:45-04:00

Hmmmm... I'm a veteran. I took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same." Now suppose that the President is pushing to enact policies contrary to the Constitution such as, I dunno, undermining the right to bear arms, the right to free speech, or interfering in an election. Of course, this sort of thing could never happen! However, if it did, as a citizen I would feel it incumbent to speak out, especially given that the President took an oath containing about the same pledge to support and defend the Constitution. It doesn't matter if you are an E-1, have 4 stars, or are an elected official -- your position doesn't exempt you from criticism, if you are contravening your oath. I would claim that your oath to the Constitution actually DEMANDS that you speak up in such cases, "support and defend" describe actions and not mere acknowledgement or acquiescence. Doing the right thing usually isn't easy, or even popular. Of course, if you are on active duty, you also have to abide by the regulations -- which us veterans are in no way required to do. It may not be classy or tasteful, but the First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech -- ESPECIALLY political speech -- and no one is going to interfere if you feel compelled to get salty in violation of typical civility.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Aug 13 at 2023 5:21 PM

2023-08-13T17:21:09-04:00

If you aed on active duty, no! You can not make remarks about the Commander in Chief, no matter how screwed up you think they are.
Having said that, prior military and veterans has that freedom of speech to speak their minds about the actions of the President and members of Congress or any political position.

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Aug 13 at 2023 5:54 PM

2023-08-13T17:54:14-04:00

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts.

Response by PV2 Kristie Byington made Aug 13 at 2023 7:22 PM

2023-08-13T19:22:13-04:00

Once done with active service, or no longer volunteering as Weekend Warriors, one should always be allowed to speak their mind. After service.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Aug 13 at 2023 7:48 PM

2023-08-13T19:48:38-04:00

For better or worse, POTUS gets a portrait hung in every orderly room and VA center because he's the boss of the military. Still, in private conversation anyone can criticize; even old Don defends the First Amendment Right to free speech, and loudly! But threatening the Pres is illegal for anyone under US jurisdiction, and that includes putting his likeness on a target, or other implied threats. Law enforcement is all over that issue. "A complaining 'army' is a happy army" is often said, but within the limits, huh? I'll bet Caeser and Napoleon dealt with that issue tolerantly, for that reason.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Aug 14 at 2023 7:19 AM

2023-08-14T07:19:28-04:00

Veterans are just that Veterans, webm have no obligation to restrict our 1st amendment rights to any administration. If Gen. Miley can undermined the President, well I guess that speaks for itself doesn't it? What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Response by SGT Steven Bolander made Aug 14 at 2023 7:24 AM

2023-08-14T07:24:19-04:00

We all have our respective opinions of our county's leaders, both good and bad. However, as members of the military, I feel that respect should be publicly displayed toward the office of the President, regardless of whoever happens to be our Commander-In-Chief. "Respect" should be the key word here.

Response by Maj Gordon Hunter made Aug 14 at 2023 12:02 PM

2023-08-14T12:02:50-04:00

There are standards. One is not to advocate politics while in uniform. That said, when not representing a Service, servicemembers and vets are free to criticize or praise POTUS as they see fit. I would HOPE that critical thought would be applied instead of media talking points - i.e. don't blame or praise POTUS for gas prices - he doesn't control those. Oil companies do. Also, I would rather servicemembers and vets bring up concerns in a thoughtful way rather than blindly follow a POTUS or candidate like they were brainwashed cult members.

Response by LT William Pellegrini made Aug 14 at 2023 12:51 PM

2023-08-14T12:51:10-04:00

Let's face it, our military has been abused starting with the Vietnam War. And it ain't going to get better unless there are some really big changes to how our government operates. As far as military personnel griping about the government, well that has been going on forever. I am sure the soldiers of Alexander the Great bitched about the constant battles that their leader somehow got them into. Nothing changed there. BUT the line needs to be drawn when the complaints become threats of violence toward senior officers or elected officials. We of lower ranks don't really know why certain decisions are made. Our job it to stand on that Wall and protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Big problem their is who in our government is causing the problems that generate the gripes. That requires a lot of research of sources other that the political biased main stream media. They all have their own goals and making men serving the country educated is not one of them.

Response by LTC Robert Kurth made Aug 14 at 2023 2:35 PM

2023-08-14T14:35:26-04:00

Trashing the POTUS or other government officials whether you support them or not, is punishable under 10 US Code Section 888, Article 88 Contempt Toward Officials (that's the UCMJ folks). I suggest the trash talking stop before they lose their career.

Response by LTC Robert Kurth made Aug 14 at 2023 2:39 PM

2023-08-14T14:39:30-04:00

Trashing the POTUS, or other government officials at Federal or State level is punishable under 10 US Code, Section 888, Article 88 Contempt toward officials (that's the UCMJ folks). If you're subject to the UCMJ, you'd better stop before you lose your military career.

Response by SGT John Prolo made Aug 14 at 2023 2:46 PM

2023-08-14T14:46:56-04:00

Freedom of speech is our First Amendment. Using it in a common sense way is what’s at stake.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Aug 14 at 2023 7:01 PM

2023-08-14T19:01:29-04:00

You signed the dotted line to uphold defend and protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. BUT there are certain courtesies and customs that you don't violate while serving rules are slightly different once you have left the service BUT you should still follow them just the same.

Response by CPL Derrick Grady Sr. made Aug 15 at 2023 2:12 AM

2023-08-15T02:12:31-04:00

While in uniform no but when not in uniform or a veteran yes they can criticize him or her all they want but do it all for the right reason not because they support a certain political party and as a military active duty or veteran we should not be straight supporting no political party out right cause to me both parties suck.

Response by SPC Thomas Morrissette made Aug 15 at 2023 9:46 AM

2023-08-15T09:46:49-04:00

Fuck the current traitor and chief! Liberals are a disease and cancer to our great nation! The plandemic occurrd to control the people!!! #FJB #Trump2024

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Aug 15 at 2023 10:00 AM

2023-08-15T10:00:30-04:00

On active duty we were all subject to the orders of the Commander in Chief. Since I am no longer on active duty I only respect the office of any politician. I most certainly will exercise my right to free speech as a citizen to express my opinion on political issues now. And, as SSG MAI (my platoon drill sergeant) said "Opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and they all stink".

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Aug 15 at 2023 12:49 PM

2023-08-15T12:49:44-04:00

We need to distinguish between people who are Active and people who are not (i.e. Vets and Retired).

Vets and Retired are, in these situations, Ordinary Citizens and enjoy all of the same rights. This includes criticism of any and all elected and appointed officials.

Members still in Active Status still enjoy the same rights as Ordinary Citizens, but a certain amount of discretion is needed. The POTUS is in the Chain of Command. As such, he deserves the same amount of respect that and Commander must have. It doesn't matter how you feel about the person (about half the population seems to like/hate, almost regardless of who it is).

Now, under normal circumstances, a rational, reasoned argument for or against any policy or decision is not only acceptable, but can be welcomed as intellectual discourse among the military.

Unfortunately, these are not normal circumstances. Bottom line: Active should keep your heads down.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2023 9:55 AM

2023-08-16T09:55:24-04:00

I personally do not have a problem with it. A moron is a moron. The current resident of the United States is certainly NOT a Commander in Chief of anything. He was and always will be an idiot. Even Obama said, " Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck shit up."

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Aug 16 at 2023 6:38 PM

2023-08-16T18:38:01-04:00

In today's world, there is no normal and everything is on the table. Commander in Chief as well as fag officers lie in order to support the political agenda. Military has elected to become politicalized therefore, they are fair game for observation and criticism

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Aug 16 at 2023 6:44 PM

2023-08-16T18:44:05-04:00

When the military decided to become politicized the trust in such became a reason to criticize CRT; Open gay; lack of mission readiness; lack of discipline; obeying orders or not and in general dumbing down of the military to fit the agenda.
Military decided to make this bed now live in it. No one is above the law according to socialist democrats except a two layer of justice.

Response by CPL Miguel Velez made Aug 17 at 2023 4:07 PM

2023-08-17T16:07:23-04:00

Respecting the Chief of Command is a duty of taxpayer's responsibility and Military Personnel.
Our Freedom of Speach takes this observation to another level, as veterans we defended and still defend our Great Nation, but if our Chief in Command does not emulate Real Leadership, then he or she must be removed from the White House. The present situation with Trump is so obvious that in his mind was not to make paper plans with Classified Materials. We need a stronger and younger President with guts enough to confront any situation.

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Aug 21 at 2023 1:24 AM

2023-08-21T01:24:34-04:00

Well if the election was fair. I say support the President. That said, I believe the election was not fair. In uniform you have to be disciplined.

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Aug 21 at 2023 10:01 AM

2023-08-21T10:01:20-04:00

Every American service member takes an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.” The oath is not to the country, the government, the President, or the flag. It is to the Constitution. The oath does not cover coitizing the President... However, criticizing the President may be classified as contempt and would be punishable under the provisions in Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. UCMJ Article 88 - Contempt Toward Officials states any service member may be prosecuted under Article 88 (Contempt Toward Officials) if they use “contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State. However, there is a fine line between criticize and contempt... To criticize means to say that you disapprove of someone or something, or to talk about the problems or faults of someone or something. When you criticize something, you are saying what is wrong with it, or what you don't like about it. Contempt is to display a feeling that someone or something is not worthy of any respect or approval. Hard to seperate the two!

Response by SPC Jose Herrera made Aug 22 at 2023 5:44 PM

2023-08-22T17:44:33-04:00

When active President no. After I see no problem. I don't care for Trump, but when in office Trump was my Commander in Chief.

Response by SGT William Jackson made Aug 23 at 2023 4:46 AM

2023-08-23T04:46:08-04:00

A soldier has the same right as any other American, and should be able to voice his opinion when and were he wants.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Aug 24 at 2023 12:29 PM

2023-08-24T12:29:47-04:00

I for one am not impressed with name calling of a sitting president. More and more the military has shifted towards being aligned to one party, and we bash those who do not share our view. To that end, I would point the words of first president "When we assumed the soldier, we did not lay aside the citizen." Every soldier has the right to vote, and within that right is the ability to choose the candidate you prefer, not what the mob prefers. When we allow others to dictate our choice, we have surrendered that very thing that makes us a Republic, the ability to choose representation.

Response by SPC Charles Sewell made Aug 25 at 2023 7:04 AM

2023-08-25T07:04:04-04:00

Respect the office , trash talk is tasteless and unhealthy. If you have a problem with your commander use your chain of command to resolve the issue. You represent all of us, always look sharp and always be respectful. Be mission ready.

Response by PFC Telesforo Ramirez made Aug 28 at 2023 7:50 PM

2023-08-28T19:50:45-04:00

I don't agree with any body criticizing our president Democrat or Republican because they are elected by the people to serve the people that's what make our nation so great the freedom to elect our representative.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Aug 29 at 2023 1:08 PM

2023-08-29T13:08:03-04:00

Question. Would you follow a CinC who gets lost on stage, habitually lies, plagiarizes, falls down stairs, demeans the US to other nations, and cannot function without staff prompting him, and is cognitively defective and leaves troops behind in a national disgrace withdrawal and leaves billions of dollars of military equipment to the enemy? What you now have is a frustrated military that no longer trusts, and the dismal recruiting numbers show that young folks know a bad deal when they see one.

Sorry, I wish I could speak more generously. But you know the "ole duck thing", if it walks like a duck, is yellow, and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck.

Response by SPC Vernon Trexler made Sep 6 at 2023 10:02 PM

2023-09-06T22:02:23-04:00

not in the ranks no.now as a disabled combat vet the sight of biden&Harris as leaders of our country infuriates me

Response by SFC Toby Northen made Sep 14 at 2023 3:20 PM

2023-09-14T15:20:46-04:00

Every veteran and service member has the right to their own opinions. Service members are allowed to peacefully (First Amendment) express those views as long as they're not in uniform or representing the military out of uniform (for example, in business casual attire at an AUSA convention). Veterans (DD214 in hand) not employed by the federal or state government or contracted to work for the government are free to express opinions anytime as they are no longer in uniform nor bound by the oath of office or enlistment. Veterans employed by the previously mentioned are prohibited from expressing political views or opinions during "duty," aka work hours.

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Sep 14 at 2023 5:03 PM

2023-09-14T17:03:05-04:00

If retired from active duty on a military pension, you can criticize the POTUS action respectfully and within reason; however, if you're on Active Duty, criticism may effect your promotion to the next rank.

Response by SSG Willie Means made Sep 14 at 2023 11:17 PM

2023-09-14T23:17:27-04:00

I Am an American Fighting Man, I Serve in the Forces which Guard my Country and Our Way of Life, I Am prepared to give my life in Its Defense......etc! Is this no longer prevalent?? Either or, perhaps it's time to Refresh everybody's Memories on what The Commander In Chief is and Stands for! GOD BLESS!!!!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2023 3:58 AM

2023-09-15T03:58:50-04:00

I am a retired Army Officer, I have respect to all Presidents, but Donald J Trump.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Sep 15 at 2023 1:18 PM

2023-09-15T13:18:09-04:00

They should not do such a thing. Semper Fi

Response by MSgt Kevin George made Sep 16 at 2023 7:03 PM

2023-09-16T19:03:34-04:00

It IS allowed. First and foremost we are American citizens with first amendment rights. Speak freely, but responsibly.

Response by PFC Anthony Bruce made Sep 16 at 2023 7:23 PM

2023-09-16T19:23:48-04:00

It is our right as citizens to criticize our leaders. However to do it in uniform or use a position of power to do it so it seems like the military itself is agreeing is wrong.

Criticizing is different than talking down about also. Saying I think President Q did this wrong is not the same as saying President Q is a POS. Or even only using a number to refer to a president instead of their name.

Response by SPC Ashby Franklin made Sep 17 at 2023 8:29 AM

2023-09-17T08:29:41-04:00

The Commander and Chief should be shown the Highest respect. After all he is the Senior Officer.

Response by SA Charles Scarbrough made Sep 17 at 2023 10:11 AM

2023-09-17T10:11:09-04:00

As a veteran all I can say is this country ain't that no more and the clowns that we drop into the merry-go-round we call the White House need to be criticized and condemned a lot more than they are.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2023 2:34 PM

2023-09-17T14:34:09-04:00

To me, it makes me think that if they can’t respect their CIC, then they can’t be trusted to respect their lower chains of command and are likely going to be discipline problems. I served in various positions from first Bush to trump and I kept my opinions to myself. I may have rolled my eyes a time or two, but I didn’t outright bash the presidents. Didn’t hero worship them either, because none of them were deserving. The problem is, when you get so fixated on hating the other guy, you don’t hold your guy accountable for wrongdoing, as is blatantly obvious today. Additionally, it speaks volumes about your character if you can’t express your opinion of someone without name calling and making unfounded accusations. Everyone needs to chill and realize no President has ever had your best interests at heart. All of them serve corporate America.

Response by SPC David C. made Sep 17 at 2023 2:35 PM

2023-09-17T14:35:44-04:00

As a vet, I'll say what I want, when I want, how I want, because I want. When in uniform however, I showed respect due to the position. It's the same thing for useless military leadership, you show the due respect or there are consequences.

Response by CPT Gerald Smith made Sep 17 at 2023 8:07 PM

2023-09-17T20:07:25-04:00

Our Democracy has not been in as much risk since the Civil War. Our President and the "Dark State" are destroying everything while taking actions to ensure a move toward despotism. We must speak out.

Those of us still on active duty cannot and should not participate, but the veterans in our midst should speak out.

Response by PO2 Robin Hall made Sep 19 at 2023 9:57 PM

2023-09-19T21:57:28-04:00

They have every Right to express how they feel about President Biden!!! After all it because of his decisions that ended up killing People and most of all the deaths of the military men and women who died on that last day. Biden has run this great country into the ground, And he should be impeached now!! not a day later but absolutely NOW!!!!!!!

Response by SSgt Ryan Pittenger made Sep 20 at 2023 1:27 PM

2023-09-20T13:27:55-04:00

Veterans can say anything they want about the President. Biden is a POS. Military folks need to keep their mouth shut when expressing their opinions about the President.

Response by PV2 Shane Williams Sr. made Sep 20 at 2023 4:23 PM

2023-09-20T16:23:43-04:00

Do you ever criticize your boss? If not, you're a rare bird. Doesn't matter if your boss is the president. Criticizing your boss is as American as Baseball.

Response by SPC Nick Cayafas made Sep 20 at 2023 9:01 PM

2023-09-20T21:01:38-04:00

F... J B

Response by Brig Gen Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2023 1:45 PM

2023-09-21T13:45:37-04:00

Current service members should not be criticizing the president in a public forum. Depending on what is said or written it could be a possible UCMJ violation. Veterans can exercise their freedom of speech. Being able to disagree with the President or anyone is a constitutional right. It should be done in a respectful way, but social media has made it easy for anonymous people to say anything without consequences.

Response by 1LT Kurt Mccarthy made Sep 21 at 2023 4:58 PM

2023-09-21T16:58:08-04:00

My only issues is doing it at work or in uniform.

Response by SGT Frederick Trombley made Sep 21 at 2023 10:04 PM

2023-09-21T22:04:00-04:00

I think soldiers should be soldiers and leave the political noise to the political pundits.

Response by SGT Frederick Trombley made Sep 21 at 2023 10:08 PM

2023-09-21T22:08:39-04:00

The soldiers should voice their political opinions at the ballot box only. Be professional soldiers for Chistsakes. - Fred US ARMY 67-70 Sgt E-5 Top-Secret communications, Thailand

Response by SGT Sam Frakes made Sep 22 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-09-22T13:04:03-04:00

Be polite, be respectful, and exercise a degree of tact, but most importantly be objective, honest, and direct. We all took an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution from ALL enemies foreign and domestic. The 1st Amendment to that sacred document, The United States Constitution, enumerates our God given right to speak our opinions and have our voices heard.

Response by SSG Patrick Andrade made Sep 22 at 2023 3:45 PM

2023-09-22T15:45:27-04:00

I believe only our sitting President, anyone in past should stay in the past, He is the Commander In Chief, Total respect is due him for his position. Any name calling, bashing is a no-go, art 15 is due.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Sep 22 at 2023 9:36 PM

2023-09-22T21:36:52-04:00

I've known people from E-4 up to CIC who I was required to respect their rank, but the person was a complete turd. Getting promoted to the level of ineffectual has been common in the military since forever; someone who is fairly useless gets promoted until the mission can be accomplished with or without them.

Whether I am Active Duty or Civilian doesn't change the truth of who people are, it only changes my ability to voice that truth. Pretty much every politician in the last 40-something years has been a useless bag of skin who wanted nothing more than to increase their own personal wealth. The figurehead in the Oval Office is no different, just look at his lifelong public record.

Response by SGT Zander Allison made Sep 23 at 2023 8:22 AM

2023-09-23T08:22:34-04:00

Current Soldiers ought not to comment on politics, politicians, or policy, due to the risk of being associated with the uniform even while on leave. Honorably discharged Veterans have earned the absolute right to hold and share any damned opinion they want to hold. Dishonorably discharged inductees ought to keep their mouths shut. Civilians don't follow orders anyway.

Response by SSgt Wally R made Sep 23 at 2023 2:15 PM

2023-09-23T14:15:57-04:00

I risked my life for that constitutional right.

Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Sep 23 at 2023 2:25 PM

2023-09-23T14:25:22-04:00

Our “leaders” lied to us about Vietnam and Iraq. The soldiers spill the blood and the leaders sit in air conditioned offices. Soldiers die and leaders say sorry about that. 20 years in Afghanistan and then the rug was pulled beneath soldiers feet. We fled Vietnam and Afghanistan. So should soldiers have an opinion? Damn right they should. They pay the bills while politicians talk crap!

Response by MSgt Matthew Johnson made Sep 23 at 2023 7:22 PM

2023-09-23T19:22:43-04:00

I think if you're a soldier, you should probably not do that. You are tasked with defending your country from foreign and domestic enemies.
If a President, such as brandon sucks as bad as he does. As far as I'm concerned, he's a domestic enemy. But I still don't think that if you are in uniform, you should outwardly Say anything. That is until we go to war against The domestic terrorist such as brandon. However, if you're a veteran, have at it..
100% ok.

Response by PO2 Justin Cohen made Sep 25 at 2023 2:33 AM

2023-09-25T02:33:31-04:00

An active duty service member may disagree with and / or not even like anyone in their chain of command.

They are free to hold whatever personal position they desire. They do not relinquish their rights as citizens.

For example, they are allowed to vote which means they are able to vote against their Commander in Chief. They are even free to actively campaign against the current CiC as long as it is done off duty and out of uniform, etc.

However, in the line of duty, they obey the lawful orders of their chain of command.

Response by SFC Andre Davis made Oct 3 at 2023 9:59 AM

2023-10-03T09:59:29-04:00

In my day it was not done period, if you did you would feel the raft of the command, we always had a briefing prior to elections. The order of the day was keep it to yourself and stay on mission. Nowadays, everyone seems to be about their rights to privacy, well keep it private, stay on mission and keep it moving. We are soldiers not civilians. We support the constitution, not a man, not a king, not a party, we don't follow illegal orders, every Individual soldier received classes and counseling on this stuff including race relations when I was in at Bragg. This was before the racist dude shot up his unit at pt. We were about soldiers and soldiering, we were being the best we could be and dedicated to the country. I served my country 4 four decades and it saddens me to see what is happening because of these less then men and I wish we did have a no get around it draft. Rich, poor, black, white, all male in grunt units draft. No problem with females, but grunt work is not for women and men are going to be men, if a female is with grunts in a battle we men are going to mess it up, because we are going to over protect them, not because they can't handle it, most can't but be cause we can't handle seeing them in the grunt life, you got to be nasty, mean and hard

Response by SPC Max Waller made Oct 9 at 2023 1:49 PM

2023-10-09T13:49:05-04:00

keep in mind that every president is accountable for their evil deeds - study the works of combat veterans like Smedley Butler (1881 - 1940) who was a two time recipient of the Medal Of Honor, and Howard Zinn (1920 - 2010), and Ron Kovic (1946 - ), and Oliver Stone (1946 - )

Response by CPO Pamela Mundling made Oct 19 at 2023 10:56 AM

2023-10-19T10:56:14-04:00

Active Duty and Reserves are not allowed to criticize their seniors per the UCMJ. That settles that. Enlisted and Officers have been punished and kicked out for doing just that. By the way, much of what those service members said was true and verifiable, but they still shouldn't have been criticizing on FB or in person, or in a letter, or what have you.

Now us veterans, do have First Amendment Rights but it's still considered bad form because we do not always have all the information needed to make the right or best decision. And the chain of command listens to us less now than when we were in!

I do my best to dedicate my concerns to the Lord above and let him take care of those I have no power to influence. If they won't work with the Almighty and change their behavior, there is little hope of me being able to influence them. And, if you're complaining just to hear yourself talk, you have problems that complaining will not fix!

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 19 at 2023 3:23 PM

2023-10-19T15:23:30-04:00

If it is along the lines of "I am a XXXX, and I voted for candidate XXX, and I don't like/care/hate President XXX" I am okay with that. If you say he is not your president, the election was stolen, use derogatory remarks, and you're in uniform...that is a different thing altogether. It is almost like you want to be challenged.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 19 at 2023 4:57 PM

2023-10-19T16:57:23-04:00

FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT IF YOU ARE A UNIFORM MEMBER AND YOU ARE CURRENTLY SERVING KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD BECAUSE UNTIL YOU ETS OR RETIRED YOU BELONG TO UNCLE SAM.
NO ONE TOLD YOU TO SIGN UP AND YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AND TOOK AN OATH.
YOU SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN UNIFORM DANCING OR MAKING AND COMMENTS ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL BEECAUSE THAT WHAT EEO OR EOA ARE FOR.
EVEN THOU OUR CURRENT ADMIN IN ALL BRANCHES ARE SNOWFLAKES AND ARE ALL WOKE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Oct 19 at 2023 9:35 PM

2023-10-19T21:35:34-04:00

About half the active-duty military members have to grit their teeth, no matter who is in the White House. We need to understand that this is the Commander in Chief, and it is the duty of everybody in the DOD to support the President. Some are Civilian Employees and need to observe the same thing.

Retirees and veterans are a different matter. Freedom of speech still holds. With that said, no matter who is in the Office, civility, facts, and good judgement is still the best policy, at all times.

Response by LTC Jorge Cordero made Oct 20 at 2023 6:43 AM

2023-10-20T06:43:25-04:00

I don't care what your political affiliation is, but if you're an Officer, the UCMJ does. Article 88 is very clear on this matter. Worked with a Major once that criticize the President, was warned several times, but did not heed the warnings, when he received his OER, it was reflected and he saw the writing on the wall, he did not have "sanctuary" so he knew he had to resign. over 16 years down the drain because he was stupid.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 20 at 2023 11:13 AM

2023-10-20T11:13:17-04:00

YOU EVER NOTICE IT IS THE FA FOLKS THAT ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT PISS THE FOLKS OFF.
GO RED LEG...

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Oct 22 at 2023 7:31 AM

2023-10-22T07:31:46-04:00

In uniform or officially? Absolutely unacceptable. As a private citizen? First amendment right. However I agree that social media seems to encourage crudity and stupidity.

Response by SP5 Michael Lewis made Oct 30 at 2023 12:35 PM

2023-10-30T12:35:35-04:00

During my 10+ years in the US Army, I never would have thought of being disrespectful by doing anything that was against the president or any one of leadership. It is not how I was taught at home or while in the service. Today, I think people don't care about AMERICA. Some are trying to get rid of our democracy, and I am doing all I can to stop that kind of hate! I have been all around the world and AMERICA is still the best country in the world. WE THE PEOPLE need to get together and take America back from those who have no respect for our country. Everybody is allowed their opinion, but when you take it a step further by causing harm to others, then it has to stop!!!! GOD help AMERICA.

Response by PO2 Michael Titus made Oct 30 at 2023 6:42 PM

2023-10-30T18:42:34-04:00

OF COURSE, vets can criticize this bozo!! maybe RallyPoint has too many whiny libtards??

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2023 8:38 PM

2023-10-30T20:38:54-04:00

Former military personnel (who no longer fall under UCMJ) have the same First Amendment right of free speech as anyone else. They've earned the right to either praise or criticize the President as they see fit. They've also earned the right for everyone else to do the same. As for current military personnel they don't necessarily have that same right. For example, officers are specifically forbidden under Article 88 of the UCMJ to criticize the President, members of Congress, state governors and various other government officials. It gets into a gray area with enlisted personnel. However in my experience the commands have frowned upon bashing the commander in chief as servicemembers represent whatever branch they serve in. The guidance I've always been given and would recommend to servicemembers is that if you wish to publicly state your disapproval of a government official or policy then make sure you're representing yourself individually when doing so and not as a member of the armed forces.

Here's something that a sergeant from the legal office where I was once stationed put it:
John Doe, a resident of Washington, DC can say for example that the President is an idiot.
PVT John Doe of the United States Army cant.

Following that standard should keep military personnel out of trouble when speaking publicly about controversial policies and politicians.

Response by SPC Richard White made Oct 31 at 2023 4:19 PM

2023-10-31T16:19:12-04:00

Veterans are entitled to their opinion. However active duty personnel should not be criticizing the POTUS AS THEY ARE UNDER OATH

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Oct 31 at 2023 4:37 PM

2023-10-31T16:37:00-04:00

As a retired member I have never given up my right to express my opinions but that also means not using any military titles or refusing lawful orders. In our oath we swear to PROTECT AND DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTION. BEING A MINDLESSLY IGNORANT MILITARY MEMBER IS UNAMERICAN.

Response by 1SG Mark Colomb made Oct 31 at 2023 9:04 PM

2023-10-31T21:04:48-04:00

Disagreement does not equal disloyalty. Every American citizen, Military, Veteran, or private person has the right, no the responsibility, to voice their grievances with the duly elected government. This includes the President.

Having said that ther must be a measure of civil discourse in disagreeing. Getting on social media and blasting anyone with vulgar, unsubstantiated statements is prejudicial to the good order and discip,Inc of the armed services.

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Nov 1 at 2023 10:44 AM

2023-11-01T10:44:51-04:00

1st Amendment, president is a politician. The president is not the Commander in Chief 24/7, only when the Constitution provides for such and this has been long abused as much as the military in foreign wars. James Madison warned of such and General Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex. Where are the Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16 Commissioned officers who have duties to the people and the militia? Our military is being decimated by the Article 2, the President.

Response by SSG William Hull made Nov 1 at 2023 12:02 PM

2023-11-01T12:02:19-04:00

In uniform and out of uniform makes all the difference. As a member of the armed forces you have taken an oath to follow the orders of those in position above you and specifically the commander in chief. In uniform or when representing yourself as a member of the armed forces you violate the UCMJ when you demean or disrespect any superior including the CIC. Representing yourself out of uniform as a private citizen you have the right to voice your opinion.

Response by SrA Richard Atwood made Nov 1 at 2023 7:35 PM

2023-11-01T19:35:37-04:00

Common sense. If you have a dud in the WH like there is currently, he should be removed and replaced with someone NOT destroying the nation. Complaints should be made to your Congressman. As an American we need someone to support not only the civilian population, but the military as well. What I have seen of the Biden administration is a curse to our history and current function as one of the greatest countries... which we used to be, but has gone to shit.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Nov 2 at 2023 6:25 AM

2023-11-02T06:25:42-04:00

It's like any other job in the world. We all don't like our boss from time to time. Most if not all will talk sh$% about our boss with our co-workers and friends have a good laugh and go back to work and continue to stay on the good side of our bosses. It becomes a problem when you take it beyond sh%$ talking and when you act on it thats a problem.

Response by Sgt Brett Holdeman made Nov 2 at 2023 10:37 AM

2023-11-02T10:37:56-04:00

As veterans we certainly have earned that right, especially when so many politicians make promises then never seem to follow through on them once elected. I always felt, as a Marine and Nat'l Guardsman, you respected the chain-of-command else good order and discipline suffer.

Response by SP5 Steven Lyons made Nov 2 at 2023 7:19 PM

2023-11-02T19:19:54-04:00

Freedom of speech is fundamental to our constitution! However any person donning a military uniform needs to direct their verbal comments respectfully! People have opinions! Opinions have no place in our service to our country! I was a Vietnam era service member and recall not liking the then incumbent president. What our group did was write to that president with our sentiments! We handled it in an objective manner not just loose talk! A soldier is a thinking feeling individual! But concerning duty politics a soldier must maintain decorum and serve honorably despite their political views. E Pluribus unum.

Response by PV2 Anthony Hirsh made Nov 3 at 2023 6:38 AM

2023-11-03T06:38:28-04:00

This president's a dumbass stupid he just wants to pick a fight with everybody I'm protecting the Homeland how about closing the f****** border how about opening a f****** pipeline so the inflation goes back down he ain't going to stop global warming as he's a f****** idiot

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Nov 3 at 2023 9:40 AM

2023-11-03T09:40:13-04:00

Its a very different world we live in. A lot of it starts at the top. Ex president Trumps derogatory remarks out in the open. We never seen that years ago. We might bitch and scream about our commands but only to each other at the command. Now woth all this social media its way to easy for people to say pretty much anything they want good or bad about anyone and no repercussions. I served and to myself I bitched about some of my superiors but never ever brought it out in the open. To me that was disrespectful to the uniform and position they hels. Wheter is was from the President on down to my leading seamen. They had a title to be respected. Not necessarily the person

Response by SP6 Richard Kellar made Nov 3 at 2023 11:39 AM

2023-11-03T11:39:30-04:00

They are hopefully good Americans with an innate desire for provocative thought and therefor principles that demand careful consideration and conclusion. Some become puppets others have their independence stirred to a froth over political decision that jeapordizes them and their nation. Some of us took away the concept of , no compromise in the face of tyranny and a desire to eliminate the dangers of poor policy on behalf of America. There is no excuse for violation of the code of conduct unless the order itself violates that code.

Response by PO3 Mark Pearson made Nov 3 at 2023 11:51 AM

2023-11-03T11:51:47-04:00

We need to show proper respect, even when the commander in chief is less than good, even when we have to watch corrupt politicians do their dirty deeds, even when the media acts corrupt. We need to hold our tongue, because we're just part of the "machine." There has always been corrupt politicians & corrupt media. I love my fellow veterans even if they see things differently based on which media influences them, because they are still humans who want what is right. I cannot be absolutely certain that I see things perfectly clearly, so I have to have the grace for others that I wish for myself. :)

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Nov 3 at 2023 12:24 PM

2023-11-03T12:24:08-04:00

When I was on active duty the president was my Commander in Chief, no matter who it was. Now that I am Veteran of 22 years of service, I will utilize the document I supported and deafened to exercise my rights, to free speech being one of them. I will not accept representatives in Congress who hate this country dictate my rights to express my opposition to their political agendas and party lines. I will continue to use my voting rights tell me how to make changes can be made to our political system. Especially the attack on our democracy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2023 6:11 PM

2023-11-03T18:11:00-04:00

First you need to be more clear on the facts surrounding your dissatisfaction. There is a very clear distinction between those in service and those that have completed thier obligation and different rules apply to each group. Was the down talk about the person or a policy? Was the person being talked about in office at the time of the talking about and was the servicemember/veteran a commissioned officer. Article 88 of the UCMJ covers this but only under certain circumstances. Outside of that if you express dissatisfaction of an administration between you and another that's perfectly fine, and legal. If you are spearheading rallies for the like then there may be an issue.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Nov 4 at 2023 11:22 AM

2023-11-04T11:22:17-04:00

It is our God given right to express ourselves and that right is protected by the first Amendment. No warrior should blindly follow. That said, as members of the military in this country, we agree to follow all lawful orders. It is never good forum to speak badly about your leaders at any level.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Nov 4 at 2023 3:37 PM

2023-11-04T15:37:59-04:00

I feel it's ok to have your opinion. As an active service member, you voice your opinion when voting. You post things on social media or speak out loud about you dislike for the President, you are bad mouthing your boss. Do that at a private company, and you will have problems. The difference being, your contract comes with an oath. Regardless of whether or not you feel he is keeping his oath, 2vwrongs do not make it right, and there will be consequences. As a veteran, you need to remember you now have a strong voice, but your example is still something people pay attention too. I voted both ways in the last 2 elections. I will again voice my opinion on election day.

Response by PFC Marc Ramirez made Nov 4 at 2023 10:37 PM

2023-11-04T22:37:41-04:00

Absolutely! Free speech is the pinnacle of a free and open society and it's what we fight for. If a President comes to talk to the men and women in uniform, he better be there to listen to what they have to say as well.

Response by SN Lawrence Worthen made Nov 5 at 2023 8:03 AM

2023-11-05T08:03:38-05:00

Presently, he deserves ever word of criticism as he appears an anti American traitor!

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Nov 5 at 2023 2:01 PM

2023-11-05T14:01:57-05:00

First and foremost, any Service Member wishing to make comment of their personal opinion regarding any facet of leadership must be doing so in a way that it is obvious that the opinion is theirs and theirs alone. The Public Affairs Office will have more information on how to ensure that. Second, the Service Member needs to make sure the comments are not Seditious in nature.

Response by SGT Gifford Allaire made Nov 5 at 2023 8:02 PM

2023-11-05T20:02:18-05:00

I'm no longer active duty....so I'll say what I bloody well please about this "President". Its my belief that he is actively trying to abolish the bill of rights. And making a power grab towards a single party government. He's also utterly corrupt and everything he does is for his benefit financially....as well as all of Congress. I think they should all be brought up on corruption charges, and removed from office.

Response by Sgt C S made Nov 5 at 2023 11:54 PM

2023-11-05T23:54:36-05:00

My oath was not open to my personalizing it. Regardless of how I felt about elected officials, superior officers, my duty was to obey. It did not include criticising them in any way. End of story.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Nov 6 at 2023 8:48 PM

2023-11-06T20:48:32-05:00

Our Commander in Chief and President of the United States of America has been elected in a democratic election by majority of Americans. Hence, regardless of which political party she or he belongs to, we must protect our Constitution and respect our Commander in Chief. If our President is wrong then, he or she will face the music because our Country has a system of checks and balances. Once elected, our duty is to remain neutral and obey orders. We, the active duty, Reserves, National Guard and Veterans of the United States Armed Forces, must lead by example and follow our Commander in Chief. We must learn to keep our personal differences aside and, not publicly down talk, blame or find fault in our leadership. If we can't support then, best is to remain mum. Elections will take place again in four years, so keep a lid on your feelings till then.

Response by CPO Gerald Burns made Nov 15 at 2023 12:56 PM

2023-11-15T12:56:08-05:00

I was a Hospital Corpsman that served with the Marine Corps for most of my time in the service. I followed my oath the entire time I served. When there is hard evidence that President Biden is a proven liar about his financial dealings with foreign countries and proven that he did use influence peddling to get his son a multi million salary, yes this should be allowed. He violated his oath of office. Freedom of speech is a RIGHT given by the Constitution. Talking about his inability to not be able to speak to the American people without lying makes him a person that cannot be trusted. Propagating the truth is not lying or disrespectful to him and should be allowed. We are still Americans and have rights as such. Respect is not given but earned and I, and many others, believe, that makes it our right to pass on the truth to all Americans. If the truth hurts him, too bad. It is hard to show respect to someone that has no idea of what the truth is.

Respect for the President is something that I stuck firmly to my entire time in the service, but the distortion of facts is something that cannot be tolerated. I firmly believe that stating the facts is neither disrespectful nor against anything that the service stands for.

This is the first time in my life I have ever spoken about the Presidential office but looking at the fact that we are now treated as a third world country is not my idea of leadership and truthful execution of his office. The United States is now looked at a power not to be respected, but a laughing matter for countries that used to be our allies. I am sad that our ranking in the world has fallen so low that we are a laughing stock to nearly every country. Our mighty military forces are not feared anywhere and the mass influx of illegals coming across the border every day makes it almost a certainty that many of the so called "immigrants" are nothing more than soldiers from other countries that are here for purposes not related to immigration but for military purposes to overthrow the country and make us a broken down country. Every day, people on the FBI list of wanted criminals are allowed through our borders. We are loosing men and women every day overseas that should be home protecting our borders. President Biden is not a leader of our country but the reason we are in such bad shape. That is the truth and should be stated.

Response by SPC Marcel Hager made Nov 17 at 2023 11:57 AM

2023-11-17T11:57:55-05:00

While on active duty I feel like you should keep your mouth shut and keep it to yourself. I also can’t believe the number of times I’ve seen people post a video, IN UNIFORM, saying and doing things they shouldn’t.

Now, as a veteran, I should be able to say whatever I want, especially when useless politicians send the military to fight and die with no intention of doing what it takes to secure victory through combat.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 27 at 2023 1:43 PM

2023-11-27T13:43:12-05:00

By Army and I think DOD regulations you are not alwayed to publicly denounce, or criticize any superior officer nor elected government official. Read the regs folks, it will save you trouble

Response by PO3 Eugene Kordahl made Nov 27 at 2023 3:19 PM

2023-11-27T15:19:52-05:00

When in service, don't criticize! When no longer active, a citizen has every right to criticize.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Nov 28 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-11-28T13:04:43-05:00

While in the military, I had to watch what I said but as a civilian for over 50 years I will say whatever I want to about the president and generals. Its my civic duty to critize the president. The current president, Biden is a crooked SOB and his dealings with the Chineese boarder on treason. He is senile and incapable to run the office of the president. I am no longer in the military and the military rules no longer apply to me. I wish Biden no harm but will be glad to see him out of office. He has done lots of harm to the military with his covid jab demands and forcing wokeness on the military.

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Nov 28 at 2023 8:52 PM

2023-11-28T20:52:37-05:00

You always heard respect the rank, not the person, with the proviso of never obeying an illegal order. Remember the difference between civilians who choose to not serve [99.3] and those that do have to different worlds. One is trained to act in a crew to protect America selfishly, abdicating self interest for the "Common Good"'s defense. Giving up civilian experiences and seniority in the capitalistic workplace. While his civilian classmates get their experience and time in. While the service members, for emaciated pay, are used as chess pieces around the world in dangerous situations requiring American forceful presence! This at the behest of the ultimate "Commander and Chief" whoever is president, chosen by the majority of our citizens! That means whoever is in office, and questioning the boss is bad practice in any job, defense of a nation requires more. Whenever civilians have no skin in the game, or knowledge, we veterans have first hand experience. And when the shit hits the fan, well this well trained salad bowl of races, religions and persuasions has been dismembered, melted into a soldier force? That force has kept us free through two world wars and many conflicts. Respect the rank, not the person means forget your penny-anty conspiracy crap, be in your buddies 6 and stay alive! The civilians percentage shows most do not have the courage to be where the possibility of the metal meeting the meat is even preparing for, and why all Veterans who serve should be allocated 4000 a month for the rest of their lives! As the civilian who does not serve has a mighty big head start and going into that environment after serving such a hard transition. A transition into the only self-serving, cut throat civilian want-to-be-participating-capitalistic pot, but ends up in a monopolistic commercial workplace, embittered. [a person or business that has exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service] To have Served taught me toleration, good order and respect, rarely seen in the civilian workplace. But once you're out all should run for office, as you have already punched the Patriotic Button so in the eyes of the population they might not agree with you, but they know you know more than they do about the world, so will listen.

Response by MAJ Elmer Tribble made Nov 29 at 2023 5:14 AM

2023-11-29T05:14:51-05:00

A lot of people are falling for misinformation today from agencies the is putting out propaganda. Often these misinformation articles are put out pro-Russians to keep us separated. I never thought that I live to see people wanting to put criminals into public offices who have no regards to the rule of law. Crooks saying that they are innocent with several secret documents in their possession and proven that they tried to hide them. No one own these documents and who want to keep them? We should know the history of the world and how these authoritarians get started in other countries. We think that this is a revolution but you will find out that our soldiers too are being used. I thought that I would not also see people joining in say these authoritarians are good people and strong. One of the last things Gen. Patton said that we need to watch those #*@ Russians. They want to get us to be in arms with one another. I could go on and on but I have said enough to make others think.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2023 3:45 PM

2023-12-07T15:45:45-05:00

Depends on the Person and how many of my brothers and sisters he is getting KILLED because of his politics and incompetence. The number 13 comes to mind.

Response by SPC Mark Marquette made Dec 7 at 2023 4:15 PM

2023-12-07T16:15:13-05:00

criticism will always happen: human nature, relief valve. "only worry about soldiers when they STOP bitching!" but it's tricky in military. Bitching about the Pres, C-I-C is risky legally and "socially". Being accused of sedition or treason ain't too desireable, regardless of actual fault.
I don't know - or, remember - much of UCMJ; but soldiers ARE citizens, with 1st A rights. The oath is to the country, NOT "the man".
I believe a vet has all the freedom they want: they filled their obligation, now free citizens.

Response by SMSgt Christopher Schroeder made Dec 8 at 2023 1:07 PM

2023-12-08T13:07:00-05:00

First off, I'm retired USAFR, so I no longer have a dog in this fight. I was stationed at Gen. Mitchell field with the 440th AW in Milwaukee WI for my entire 22 years of service. I enlisted when Reagan was elected but Carter was still President, so I served under five CICs. Our base is co-located on GBMIAP and is the main base that Air Force One comes to when the President visits WI. President Reagan loved coming in when we were on duty on our UTAs, usually the second weekend of the month. He loved the military and we loved him. Clinton, not so much, everytime when he flew in and we were on duty, we were cautioned on showing proper respect and no one finger salutes. In his second term, they usually avoided coming in when were on duty. One time, he had to come in on our weekend, we were told to not come in for that day. Respect is a two way street, and we respected him as much as he respected us. As a military member, how I feel about the CIC is personal and while in uniform, I showed the respect the office requires. As my old TI told us, you salute the rank, not the person. I truly feel sorry for you folks with our current CIC, I came close to retiring at 20 years, but that would have put Clinton's name on my retirement papers, so I hung on until "W" became President, well then stop loss came into effect, so I did an extra two years. I enlisted on 7DEC80 and was going to retire on that same date, as that date is important to me, my Dad was Navy during WWII.

Response by PO3 Bobby Quisenberry made Dec 9 at 2023 10:56 AM

2023-12-09T10:56:17-05:00

I know of an officer who was basically canned because he spoke against Bill Clinton to his men at an assembly back in the day. President Clinton was still the C&C of the military and that is just something you don't do! You may not like him and much of what he stands for but he is still the C&C. As far as Biden goes, F the SOB! He's job has been basically to destroy America and all we hold dear. He has hurt everyone in this country and he is most probably not even the legitimate sitting President! He is a criminal and always has been! I'm surprised the military response hasn't been a coup from the uppers. Of course I am not promoting that in any way, even suggesting that would be wrong, but it appears the Military Leadership has been demasculated, but too, I am sort of a Bronson type character in my thinking!

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Dec 9 at 2023 4:27 PM

2023-12-09T16:27:28-05:00

You are a Citizen. Use ALL your FREEDOMS & RIGHTS wisely. I criticized policy when I disagreed with it and there was a discussion regarding it. People talk politics, keep it respectful even when you disagree or don't like a policy/politician AND (this is important) make sure you know who you are talking to and who might be listening cause some people love nothing more than RESTRICTING your RIGHTS when they don't like what you have to say.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Dec 9 at 2023 7:27 PM

2023-12-09T19:27:01-05:00

Active duty, show respect and never criticize the current President, past Presidents. Retired and out of uniform, say what you feel you need to say. The 1st amendment allows freedom of speech. If it is in good taste, right forum, retired or ETS Soldiers have at it before some of these freedoms that are trying to be diminished, go away.

Response by SPC William Wells made Dec 10 at 2023 12:56 AM

2023-12-10T00:56:05-05:00

Yes, a person has every right to voice their opinion. I'm a veteran and I'm really disappointed in are democrats.

Response by HN Chris R. made Dec 10 at 2023 10:55 AM

2023-12-10T10:55:06-05:00

No matter what active duty personnel feels or thinks, they have a responsibility to follow orders of those in command, BUT orders that do not conflict with the US Constitution. That is our oath all who entered into service swore to. So until discharged from active duty share thoughts with your fellow members and obey "lawful" orders from superiors.

Response by MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2023 1:04 PM

2023-12-10T13:04:07-05:00

The question is actually two questions in one! as a service member you should not openly advocate for any political issue, or office holder in public while in uniform. Additional on official duties or actions should be nonpartisan regardless of your personal opinion or feels! As it comes to veteran's they have total freedom to express themselves since they are no longer in or under the control of military authority!

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Dec 10 at 2023 8:49 PM

2023-12-10T20:49:20-05:00

Gee I wonder if you were this concerned with this issue when Donald Trump was President? Certainly while in uniform and operating in an official capacity one's personal opinion of our current President has no place in the conversation, that being said at other times, soldiers have not given up their First Amendment Constitutional Rights and are freely allowed to express their opinions.

Response by LTC Lance Headrick made Dec 11 at 2023 2:11 AM

2023-12-11T02:11:11-05:00

I think the Law and Regulation is clear. If you are Active Duty and representing yourself as such while making statement against "Officers appointed over me and the President of the United States" will subject you to UCMJ. If you are a retired officer the same in most cases. Hatch Act stuff.

Veterans of another stripe? It is bad taste, but within their rights? (meaning not incitement) Who cares.

Response by Sgt Joseph Addario made Dec 11 at 2023 12:01 PM

2023-12-11T12:01:07-05:00

as an enlisted nco i followed orders as was required. that does not mean i agree with them. As a citizen i have the right to disagree with elected government as i see fit. this is what we fought for. in my opinion we have not had a true commander in chef since Trump. Obama was a lost cause. Biden is corrupt and against everything we as the the USA stand for. He spits on the graves of those that gave it all.

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made Dec 11 at 2023 12:57 PM

2023-12-11T12:57:46-05:00

No.. each of us passed and presented raised there hand to defend the constitution and if a soldier step out of line and talk down on your CC he or she should get some type of UMCJ action brought against them.. do a soldier get punished for talking down on his or her Commander, CSM, 1 SGT or anyone else.. I think that shows how mature that soldier is and if the Command let it go on means they like shit filtering around. But you and I know there are bad people in all military.. that bring garbage into the service. I remember having a few bad soldiers in my section and it stressful to have to deal with the haters and racist. With this generation of soldiers freedom of speech is in the ranks.

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made Dec 11 at 2023 1:30 PM

2023-12-11T13:30:00-05:00

Reverse question. How do you feel about a President criticizing deceased soldiers, active duty, retired, veterans gold star families and downgrading or degrading women

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2023 8:54 AM

2023-12-12T08:54:45-05:00

I have also worn the uniform during several presidential terms. During each, I was invariably approached (usually at the gas station or grocery store) and asked "What do you think about ____?" (last name of current president). Being in uniform, I would simply reply, "He's our commander in chief, and our job is to support our commanders." No matter how I might feel about who's in office, in uniform I am more than my personal political beliefs.

With Obama and Trump, whenever I heard Soldiers or peers refer to them by their last name, I would politely remind them, "It's 'the president' ." Again, this would be when we're on duty and/or in uniform. I might think the guy is a total as shat, but my troops should never know it. As for President Biden, almost no one even mentions the guy!

Response by PO1 Christopher Gómez made Dec 13 at 2023 1:23 AM

2023-12-13T01:23:45-05:00

While active duty are limited in what they can say, veterans are not. We fought for the rights guaranteed by our Constitution and that includes freedom of speech under the First Amendment.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2023 3:57 PM

2023-12-13T15:57:22-05:00

Should it be allowed - yes absolutely; that is your right. If you are a vet then by all means you have earned the right to complain about any thing you like. However if you are active, guard, or reserves, and you choose to voice your opinion while in uniform, then you are opening yourself up to all kinds issues, especially if you are in public and in uniform. I advised those who are with me or in under my command, it's just easier to "smile and wave", then having to explain yourself to those in your chain of command. I am not saying you can't voice your opinion, because you can - but there is also a real chance that you will find yourself in a sticky situation. It is better to follow my mothers advice and not talk about money, religion, or politic when in public, and I would add: avoid those subjects while in uniform also.

Response by SN Nicola Poitras made Dec 13 at 2023 6:58 PM

2023-12-13T18:58:51-05:00

I have always said, respect the office, not necessarily the man. POTUS, and our CIC, is an office. It may be held by a person, but that person does NOT always automatically get my respect. I always have, and always will defend the office, but I will never stand up for some of the BS that the people in that office have done. Just because I respect the office, does not mean I will let the person in that office get away with horse sh*t. I have the right, and the morale obligation to vote, and I exercise that right, religiously.
Get rid of the BS, and give us a POTUS we can stand behind, and be proud of again. That is my Christmas wish.

Response by Brig Gen Joe Callahan made Dec 14 at 2023 8:12 PM

2023-12-14T20:12:18-05:00

Personal opinion is they should be allowed to if they are NOT in active duty. But my opinion literally doesn’t matter. It is a possible UCMJ issue.

Article 88 prohibits disparaging comments to people in certain positions. It is extremely rare to have the violation prosecuted. However if the individual is on active duty or it a retired general/admiral, I can see a warning followed by actual prosecution.

The UCMJ sometimes can conflict with our constitutional rights, but when we joined we accepted certain restrictions. Some as minor as our hairstyle, if you have hair, and some as major as free speech.

It’s the military.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Dec 21 at 2023 11:14 AM

2023-12-21T11:14:38-05:00

Only if done, off duty, out of uniform and in a respectful manner as befits professionals.

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Dec 24 at 2023 10:52 AM

2023-12-24T10:52:53-05:00

As is pertains to OBAMA, it is difficult to respect a man who lies, such as being born in Hawaii, coming to the USA on a foreign student visa, changing is name from Soweto to Obama and there is more.
You cannot expect positive feedback from such a person.
In the case of Biden, ONE need not comment as to why he is being talked down.
You cannot expect individuals to voice their opinions. But to whom, how and when becomes an issue.....

Response by CPT Bob Mason made Dec 27 at 2023 9:07 PM

2023-12-27T21:07:34-05:00

I am an Army veteran and have no trouble expressing my views on anyone including the President. But, when I was on active duty and latter in the active reserves, I never considered criticizing the Commander-in-Chief while wearing the uniform or otherwise identifying myself as military to the public.

Response by SSG Juan Garza made Dec 29 at 2023 8:38 PM

2023-12-29T20:38:40-05:00

It’s called the 1st Amendment. Your not a robot, you can still do you job and duty and criticize the commander in chief

Response by SrA Van Deen made Dec 30 at 2023 4:29 AM

2023-12-30T04:29:42-05:00

Veteran are free, so let them enjoy freedom

Response by TSgt Daniel Newman made Jan 14 at 2024 12:17 PM

2024-01-14T12:17:29-05:00

Ya know its funny the people who signed up fought and died defending the "Freedom of Speech" are now told , or shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinion! I find this to be the biggest crock of horse hockey in this country! Yes I think any veteran or military member should be able to have a comment for or against. No I don't think they should rallies or a coup. But certainly they have aright to denounce the "HELL" we are living in right now!

Response by PO1 Donald Larson made Jan 14 at 2024 4:30 PM

2024-01-14T16:30:56-05:00

So long as our Active Duty/Reserve and in cases Veteran’s follow the orders of our President with out hesitation. Back in my day (78-98),we would always hear “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend with my life your right to say it”…

Response by SGT Charles Marcinko made Jan 14 at 2024 9:26 PM

2024-01-14T21:26:54-05:00

When I was in from 1985-1993, I never heard anyone openly criticize our President. Some people preferred the other guy during elections. But nothing like we have today where active-duty and guard officers and enlisted personnel of all kinds threaten our current President just because the last guy wants to lie and threaten civil war and uprisings if he's not put back in office. Granted I cannot stand traitor Trump. But I don't him doing anything for this country except destroying democracy. I'm not a Biden fan either, but of the two. He seems to have the countries best interests at heart, unlike Trump.

Response by CDR Mike Kovack made Jan 15 at 2024 5:02 AM

2024-01-15T05:02:39-05:00

Like it or not, the President is the commander in chief and in your chain of command. Feel free to gripe and grumble, just as you would anyone in your chain of command, but to do so publicly, or on social media carries consequences - it's not allowed. It's against good order and discipline and punishable through the UCMJ. It speaks poorly of anyone on active duty who might do that.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2024 11:54 AM

2024-01-15T11:54:34-05:00

Unless the CINC is egregious in his attitude or distaste for the Armed Forces, I always kept it in the appropriate social circles and never in uniform. Nothing wrong with expressing yourself. Just not on duty or in uniform.

Response by SFC Larry McGarr made Jan 16 at 2024 7:37 AM

2024-01-16T07:37:18-05:00

Neither Barack Obama nor Joe Biden deserve one ounce of respect. Both are responsible for the loss of life of soldiers these men were unfit to command. Wearing a uniform does not strip one of their right to freedom of speech, and if anybody has earned the right to criticize a Commander in Chief - it's veterans.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Jan 16 at 2024 1:30 PM

2024-01-16T13:30:01-05:00

I feel it's inappropriate to have a member of the armed forces dissing his c-in-c in uniform, surely. But consider: Putin, Hitler, Atilla, Caesar, and a lot of other despots undoubtedly forbade any member of their military voicing any form of criticism, in uniform -- or over a cup of mead!
'Disallowing' all criticism would be self-defeating, at best -- just one more lost right of a citizen (yep, soldiers are still citizens in the US) to grouse about. Agree; some of the character assassination and slander heaped on present or past presidents goes beyond good taste, to say nothing of honesty, but seems to me to also be self-defeating to some degree. Ma used to say 'Consider the source' when anyone complained about slander, libel, or even gossip. Remember, 'A bitching army is a happy army'. Besides. look what some former Presidents have to say about their own military figures, or military in general!

Response by SPC Paul Guerrero made Jan 16 at 2024 2:26 PM

2024-01-16T14:26:21-05:00

Criticizing a sitting or former president is not disrespectful its exercising your freedom of speech. Only democrats do not want you to criticizing clinton, obama or biden knowing damm well they do not like our military and are worthless.

Response by PO1 Robbie Bell made Jan 16 at 2024 2:58 PM

2024-01-16T14:58:12-05:00

I'm retired. I can speak my mind about anything I wish regardless of someone else's feelings. When I was actively serving I wouldn't publicly speak ill of the CinC regardless of how awful they were. As far as Senators and Members of the HOR, those lying, conniving @$$holes don't deserve ANY respect from anyone. They're a den of thieves, bleeding our country dry.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Jan 17 at 2024 3:05 PM

2024-01-17T15:05:59-05:00

Comments done in good taste and without malice never harm. Criticize which degrade are not worth it. Need to take off military hat and do as a private citizen if doing extreme criticism.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 27 at 2024 1:34 PM

2024-01-27T13:34:07-05:00

1st amendment. He is commiting treason on the border, a war on cops, wrecked the military, war on gun owners, perverse behavior. We all know his laundry list of senile transgressions. He did it. He's fair game.

Response by LT Alex Corsi made Feb 12 at 2024 10:50 AM

2024-02-12T10:50:26-05:00

Mind your own GD business. A person, uniform or not, has a right to speak their mind.If the CInC is good or a corrupt fool, state it. Don't be a stooge (Nazi, Soviet, ChiCom or civilian totalitarian).

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Feb 12 at 2024 4:52 PM

2024-02-12T16:52:25-05:00

Remember a veteran is a civilian and free to criticize; however, a military member does not have that luxury.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Feb 12 at 2024 6:31 PM

2024-02-12T18:31:47-05:00

He’s a senile, lying, corrupt, perverted marxist. Active federal troops need to watch it. Reserve component troops not in drill status, retirees and vets can say whatever. CPL Buck, IDK if you completed high school, but Google First Amendments. It will enlighten your clueless question about freedom of expression rights of those not subject to the UCMJ. SMH.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 13 at 2024 11:59 AM

2024-02-13T11:59:42-05:00

What is the definition of Down Talking a president?

Response by SPC Julio R. made Feb 20 at 2024 8:21 AM

2024-02-20T08:21:05-05:00

All I know is if you love the orange chomo cheeto cheesus, which alot of yall in inform do. Then you stand for racism, misogyny, bigotry, hate, homophobia, xenophobia, and white nationalism.
Insurrectionist fanboys and ammosexual klanservative Reich wing good old boys need to disappear like those renamed bases of traitorous service members.
If you are one of them then you are a disgrace to the uniform.

Response by Sgt Richard Gordon made Feb 24 at 2024 9:20 PM

2024-02-24T21:20:24-05:00

Jackazz

Response by SGT Mark David made Feb 25 at 2024 1:59 PM

2024-02-25T13:59:38-05:00

Interesting how many of the responses choose to criticize one president or another instead of actually responding to the original question. Here's a response to the actual question:

1) The oath we all took--officer and enlisted--was to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States" and, for enlisted, "obey the orders of the President of the United States." Doesn't say anything about not criticizing the president.

2) The right of free speech, which is most critical precisely for criticizing political leaders and others in power, is not just a right in this county, but a fundamental requirement for any democracy. (If you don't think so, consider that in Russia, criticizing Putin over his war in Ukraine is grounds for imprisonment.) The exisitence of that right in this county in this country is one of the things that makes it worth fighting for. It would be perverse to claim that being or having been in the military means you've lost that right.

3) I'd argue that if you're on active duty, there should be some limits on what you can say, particularly when in uniform, (and I believe there are, although I've been out long enough that I don't know) but that has to do primarily with decorum and not giving the country's enemies reason to think they have a potential fifth column they can rely on. As a veteran, however, you are a civilian and those limits would have no purpose other than to shut you up, so no, they don't apply to vets.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2024 7:46 PM

2024-02-26T19:46:14-05:00

If they are out- it's as American as a bar fight. If they are "attached" than prudence is your watch word.

Response by 2LT Ronald Simpson made Feb 26 at 2024 10:47 PM

2024-02-26T22:47:56-05:00

At this point, there is SO much as risk--as in our entire nation-- that I am fine with it. Of course, said soldier should be aware that he or she IS placing their career at immediate risk. But we are now at that point. We NEED those brave souls to speak up and say what needs to be said.

Response by SPC Dwight McCullough made Feb 27 at 2024 8:35 AM

2024-02-27T08:35:06-05:00

FREEDOM OF SPEECH, IS ONE OF OUR FOUNDING RIGHTS! However, what does the Uniform code Of Military justice say? It is VERY hard to have respect for politicians that want to TEAR our country and it's military down!

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2024 9:37 PM

2024-02-27T21:37:03-05:00

Veterans can criticize as they want…they’ve earned that right. As far as active duty goes…the UCMJ says what it says, but it seems like a cowardly way for government officials including the POTUS to hide from from legitimate criticism. We haven’t had a POTUS that truly served on active duty in the operating forces forward deployed for decades. If you’re going to have the title of “Commander-in-Chief” then you really need to have “been there and done that” for credibility when it comes to sending forces into battle and potentially having some of them come home in Flag-draped coffins. My humble but strong opinion on the subject.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Feb 28 at 2024 7:35 AM

2024-02-28T07:35:43-05:00

Who are you trying to fool? Yourself? None of you cared when Trump was attacked, even when he was in office. Remember lying little Ukrainian Alexander Semyon Vindman?

Response by MSG Michael Gay made Feb 28 at 2024 11:09 AM

2024-02-28T11:09:33-05:00

As a service member, we must respect the President and others in our Chain of Command. Service members have a patriotic duty to speak out against any and all actions of other elected and appointed officials when we know that there is corruption, malfeasance, wrongdoing or anything that is detrimental to or country. Commissioned Officers are not permitted to do such things under Article 88 of the UCMJ.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Feb 28 at 2024 3:17 PM

2024-02-28T15:17:08-05:00

I believe the rules are clear. Members of the military are entitled to all the protections of the first amendment as long as they do it in civilian clothes and make sure that their opinions are personal, not part of the organization one serves. In uniform, one is obligated to follow all legitimate orders.

Response by SSG Dale London made Feb 28 at 2024 8:27 PM

2024-02-28T20:27:11-05:00

First of all, it may be a violation of the UCMJ for an active soldier to speak critically of the President, depending on what he says and to whom. This may in some cases be extended to retirees.
Once you're back on civvie street, you're free to speak your mind but it is still pretty chickenshit to speak ill of the commander and chief. I didn't see an expiration date on my oath, did you?

Response by PO3 Michelle Tremblay made Feb 29 at 2024 10:50 AM

2024-02-29T10:50:10-05:00

It's like disrespecting our flag, I don't like it. Wether Active or Veteran, we were taught right from wrong.

Response by SPC John Estabrook made Mar 1 at 2024 5:25 AM

2024-03-01T05:25:15-05:00

It is better not to post anything which is controversial on social media. Potential employers and a current employer could take offense to your posting. Customers could also be impacted and stop using your services.

Response by SGT Michael Lawler made Mar 2 at 2024 8:49 PM

2024-03-02T20:49:03-05:00

When I was on active duty, (“71 - 77”)’ the message/input from Company Commanders referenced our attention to be apolitical. I believe soldiers, marines, sailors, airmen, etc is to follow advice of command. Individually, each member of the military has the ability to make their own decisions. Unlike active participants, veterans has a constitutional right to express themselves for whoever they deem as their choice. When a participant whether local, state or federal is CHARGED & or determined to be guilty of such crime, then he or she should not be allowed to hold any office! Therefore, Former President Trump was not charged or convicted of this crime & should not be hindered by a political party in doing such. He is still afforded his 4th Amendment rights.

Response by CMSgt Paul Palko made Mar 3 at 2024 9:23 AM

2024-03-03T09:23:54-05:00

Criticizing is one thing, but the flat out disrespectful and abusive BS is another...the latter simply displaying the stupidity of character of overpoliticized cultist fools.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Mar 3 at 2024 9:49 PM

2024-03-03T21:49:55-05:00

Choosing how to speak, or not to speak, regarding the President or other official, is your choice. It is likewise my choice, now that I have retired. I will never use profanity regarding government officials, but I will speak frankly.

Response by MCPO Mark Lowe made Mar 3 at 2024 10:24 PM

2024-03-03T22:24:56-05:00

On military or military related sites, nope. On my personal sites where I am not identifying as military or prior military, game on. As an independent voter, both parties have failed our military.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Mar 4 at 2024 7:40 PM

2024-03-04T19:40:46-05:00

Okay, as a retired Veteran we can say whatever we want to as long as it doesn't cross the line into Sedition or Treason.

However, while on Active Duty; you CAN NOT say disrespectful things about the current President or other Government officials unless it's legitimate criticism on bad politics and policies (including support Genocide of Palestine). There are consequences of being written up under the UCMJ Article 88 and 10 U.S. Code § 888 - Art. 88. Contempt toward officials.

Yet, "Valid Criticism" of course is still protected from punishment as a 1st Amendment Right when you cite specifically for their actions being unlawfully under the Geneva Convention and International Laws.

That all being said, FUCK EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT back until Jimmy Carter! The last decent human being as President while he served this country as a Navy Veteran and US President. All of them after Carter are complete shitbags who ruined America by selling out our Country for their own personal financial gains even if it was bypassing the Emoluments Clauses.

While I was in I only criticized bad policies that effected the country or the military while Active Duty. After the President left office then I really let loose on their shitty actions and behaviors.

Bush Sr was a sociopathic asshole who caused the deaths of millions of people in Central and South America with his covert War of Drugs. He caused more harm between being the head of the CIA and being the real President under Reagan for 12 years in total and completely wrecked the values our country was founded upon by letting Corporate Owned Media get away with bullshit while ending the Fairness Doctrine which prevented misinformation from being spewed as legitimate news vs opinions this is why we see so many uneducated Conservatives parroting talking points without understanding their not factual or truthful just asinine opinions from Evil, Drug Addicted Pedophiles.

Clinton sold out the Middle Class to Asia for cheap labor. This helped with creating more Reich Wing Hate thanks to cluster fuck of Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas. Clinton also screwed over the deal with the Taliban and caused the indirect rise of Terrorism in the Middle East. As well as Clinton turned a blind eye during the Bosnian Conflict with Private Military Contactors engaged in Trafficking of Arms, Drugs and People. Refugees, who were trying to get out of the country; instead sold into sex slaves in Soviet Bloc Countries rather than actually getting asylum status. While Hillary as Secretary of State under Obama tried to undo the damage.

Bush Jr was a lecherous former Drug Addict who should have never been allowed anywhere near the Oval Office. 9/11 made him gleefully for justification for invasion of the Middle East and engage in War Profiteering for Cheney and Haliburton. Listen to General Wesley Clark talk about how clearly the Pentagon had planned for invasion of the Middle East for resource control and destabilize the regimes that Bush Sr and Cheney helped with installing under Reagan who decided to rebel against their Western Masters.

Obama was Clinton lite and while he served the interest of helping fix the country the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis has a meltdown over a half-Black President who has tried to make America back into what it was under Carter.

Trump is a giant pile of shite and his followers are Fucking Cultist who need to be deprogrammed and medicated for the public safety. He should have never been allowed anywhere near the Oval Office and Hillary is totally to blame because of being a stupid moron in pushing him as a viable choice. He was backed by the Russians and Israeli Government to engage in destruction of America as payback for Hillary attempt coup of Putin in 2012 by funneling money into his opponent and failed.

Biden is a Zionist Puppet and refused to do anything about the Genocide of Palestine, He wants to make sure his family gets a cut of the Natural Gas and Oil underneath Gaza Strip worth about $500 Trillion at minimum. He doesn't care about the war crimes against the Palestinians. Because of being a Zionist that also violated the Emoluments Clauses while Vice President and now with his family getting stock in Zion Oil after the purge of the Gaza Strip.

I'm going to also point out that after 2024 which ever Zionist Puppet is in the Oval Office is still working with the Israeli Government to massacre the Palestinian Semites and planning on forced relocation to the Congo as a so-called humanitarian aid. I's a cover that is being used for the future of slave labor in the Cobalt and Lithium mines owned by Zionist Billionaire Dan Gerlter. Gertler had hired Erik Prince's Blackwater/Xe mercenaries to prevent the Congolese people from rebellion. As they're being aided by the Chinese companies in rival mines which are being better paid.

Interestingly US African Command units are there to violently suppress any rebellion by the Congolese Dissidents. Of course, when the Palestinians refugees in the next few years are going to be slaves for Gertler's mines as replacement of the Congolese people as a way to "payback" their relocation to the Congo. Which is why the IOF is killing Palestinians over the age of 18 and under the age of 5 to make it easier to move these children. "There's an acronym used in Gaza, WCNSF: ‘Wounded child with no surviving family.’

These WCNSF are around 17,000 children that the Zionists are wanting to be the next (slave) labor and mark my words they will be called Terrorists when they do decide to stand up to their masters and refuse to work the mines in the Congo. Whatever asshole that is the Commander in Chief in the USA will have no problem sending in US Africa Command and Special Forces to slaughter them under the guise of stopping terrorism when they're simply standing up for their basic human rights and not as slave labor.

Response by SPC Frank Lacy made Mar 5 at 2024 10:21 AM

2024-03-05T10:21:51-05:00

As long as you wear the uniform, He is your Commander. It is Not illegal to Think it. Keep your mouth shut until you're a civilian, and VOTE like everyone else.

Response by PO3 Dn King made Mar 6 at 2024 10:05 AM

2024-03-06T10:05:29-05:00

Within our ranks, no, there should not be politicized public discourse at all. While in service, there are certain rights you surrender, and some forms of speech are amongst those. Our military must be trusted to back the president for any and all legal orders regardless of who the president is. If we lose trust in the apolitical nature of our armed forces, we will fall to anarchy. Service members should neither praise nor condemn political figures in public. Notice this all limits public speech. If you go home and shit talk the whole of DC, we can't and shouldn't police that. Just never in public, and never "as a service member."

Veterans should feel free to criticize a president or other politician, sure, but not as a veteran. This is a murkier realm. "Veterans for Trump" is fine, while "True veterans support Trump" is not at all okay. Nor is "Veterans hate Trump." The rule of thumb for any serious discourse is to support your candidate, highlight ways in which they are the better choice, and limit public criticism to demonstrable facts. As veterans, I should hope our love of our country would enforce this adult behavior. Also, NEVER imply that all veterans have similar political views. NEVER mock another veteran, directly or indirectly, for their political views. Excepting actual, morally and legally barred and provable evils. If Hilary were discovered with a belly full of babies, "as a veteran" I would maybe say something. Racism can be denounced "as a veteran." Where is the line? If you're a veteran, you're also an adult. Draw your own line and defend your decision with more than "freeze peach my dude!" Respect other veterans and their diverse worldviews or stop using "veteran" as an honorific.

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Mar 24 at 2024 8:40 PM

2024-03-24T20:40:36-04:00

Gack! This is a decade old!

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Mar 31 at 2024 9:15 PM

2024-03-31T21:15:08-04:00

As a retired E-9 while in uniform I bit my lip even when the presidents decisions impacted our mission . But after I retired and watch flag officers use their positions for political gain and support a political party all bets were off. I follow my beliefs and support those who support me and my political views

Response by MSgt Mark Willsey made Apr 7 at 2024 10:31 PM

2024-04-07T22:31:36-04:00

THIS IS WHERE ON DUTY, STAY PROFESSIONAL! RESPECT THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT! NOW (OFF DUTY), MAKE SURE YOU ARE COMPLETELY "OFF DUTY", MEANING OUT OF UNIFORM, EVEN AT HOME! IF - YOU CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT, OR ANY PRESIDENT, IN OFFICE, OUT OF OFFICE, ALIVE OR DEAD, DON'T US FOUL LANGUAGE IN YOU COMPLAINT(S). THERE ARE WAYS TO CRITICIZE HIM AND STILL BE PROFESSIONAL! THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE TODAY IS THIS: OUR GOVERNMENT IS MAKING CITIZENS AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! SO IN OUR OATH TO PROTECT AGAINST FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC - QUESTION IS - WHO'S - THE ENEMY?

Response by Amn Orm Melenson made Apr 8 at 2024 12:55 PM

2024-04-08T12:55:55-04:00

Just tell the truth

Response by CPL Michael Sizemore made Apr 11 at 2024 5:10 PM

2024-04-11T17:10:17-04:00

Fuck BIDEN!! Fuck YOU!

Response by SSG James Mielke made Apr 11 at 2024 10:36 PM

2024-04-11T22:36:50-04:00

I am going to disagree with most of the comments I have read on this thread.
We all are/were soldiers, sailors, airmen, or jarheads but are still individuals and have our own opinions about the things that affect our daily lives.
What matters is how we express those opinions, especially for those still in the Active, Reserve, and Nat. Guard components of the military. Veterans and Retirees like myself are civilians and do not have a Chain of Command to worry about getting triggered and trying to court-martialed us.
During my career, I had several commanders and NCOs that by every metric conceivable were absolute P.O.S. but they still outranked me and I was duty bound to follow their lawful orders.
Keep that in mind... Lawful Orders. If given an order to break any military, wartime, or civilian law or to violate any part of the Constitution, you have the authority to refuse to follow that order.

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Apr 12 at 2024 2:49 PM

2024-04-12T14:49:03-04:00

Political discourse is fine. It is protected in our constitution. Having respectful discussions about the president while not on duty is fine. However, there are lines that should not be crossed. Expressing your opinions while not wearing the uniform is acceptable. Trashing or insulting your leadership is another thing altogether. I remember a 1SG while in formation was complaining that our president was a p***y. He was fired the next day.
You have to be careful not to cross the line into the arena of conduct prejudicial to the good order and discipline.
Imagine if you were to walk up to your CO and say to him that you think he is a shithead. You would be brought up on charges so fast it would defy the speed of light.

Response by SSG William Hull made Apr 12 at 2024 11:47 PM

2024-04-12T23:47:55-04:00

OUt of uniform and speaking as a private citizen it is acceptable. However I believe that is speaking as a member of the US Armed Force would violate the UCMJ

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 13 at 2024 9:58 AM

2024-04-13T09:58:55-04:00

When you are still in the Military (other than retired) And in a leadership roll you are NON POLITICAL.
However you still have the right to like or dislike a decision the CAC makes but you do not have the right to influence other Soldiers verbally of by action about that politician personally. You can voice carefully about and action that effects all Soldiers and violations of law or the Constitution. Be Careful however, there is a very fine line Between judging an action and taking personal Shots at the Commander and Chief. Always remember CAC is still in your Chain of Command.

Response by SSG Richard Bladl made Apr 13 at 2024 5:25 PM

2024-04-13T17:25:06-04:00

I see no problem talking down our elected officials, they need to know there are problems, they need to be kept informed because military leaders do not always relay problems to higher ups which is wrong. If you can't be heard thru channels then you need to find another way like it or not.

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Apr 13 at 2024 8:21 PM

2024-04-13T20:21:15-04:00

I was taught always respect the title not the person. As President and Commander In Chief they are responsible for a lot. They are only one part of our three part government. Remember the Executive, Legislateive and Executive. I might not like who is in office but I respect the title. Definately not while active or reserves for sure.

Response by SrA Ronald Moore made Apr 14 at 2024 8:25 AM

2024-04-14T08:25:39-04:00

I actually do not like to hear of any bashing of any kind,no name calling,Not even bashing each other cause you may be the opposite Of who another is voting for,Sure there is free speech,but there is This If one can do it better,then run for public offices,

Response by AN Tony Leding made Apr 17 at 2024 6:54 PM

2024-04-17T18:54:53-04:00

Criticizing anyone --- including the POTUS --- is a fundamental right enshrined in the COTUS. That said, I do think criticizing POTUS while in service is poor behavior. After separation, have at it. It would be silly to the point of near insanity to think because one served they therefore forfeited their fundamental rights; it just doesn't work that way.

Response by SGT Lance Jones made Apr 20 at 2024 5:51 PM

2024-04-20T17:51:13-04:00

As far as veterans, they are free to use their free speech. Free speech isn’t anything given by our leaders. We just got it.

A soldier had better be careful… they’re not free to say what they want.

Response by PO3 Ron Cowher made Apr 21 at 2024 1:00 PM

2024-04-21T13:00:52-04:00

I don't think it is right to criticize our president while serving in the military.
Remember, in the military, rank is everything. And, being The Commander In Chief, doesn't get any higher. Also, you are honoring the OFFICE, not the PERSON. Think what you want about the person, but keep it to yourself. Remember, you are serving our country, not another person.