How do you obtain a shaving profile or no shave chit in the military?

SSgt Timothy Prevost — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 12:30:45 -0400

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Jul 14 at 2021 12:41 PM

LT Brad McInnis — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 12:41:43 -0400

Medical.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2021 1:03 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:03:13 -0400

Mission? I've seen quite a few of the SOF operating with full beards.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jul 14 at 2021 1:04 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:04:30 -0400

Depends on whether you are doing it for medical or religious purposes. You would go to medical or the Chaplain depending on what’s applicable

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jul 14 at 2021 1:58 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:58:17 -0400

AR670-1 lays out the religious process. The Chaplain and your BDE level commander validated it.

Your medical provider determines if you need one and it’s entered into MEDPROS. You then have access to a printed copy which will warm your 1SG’s heart.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2021 5:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:10:42 -0400

If someone has a path where I can get a religious beard without denying Jesus Christ, I'm in!
Any beard required Christian groups recruiting?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2021 6:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:23:07 -0400

From what others have told me for a shaving profile you will need to go to your doctor with your face all jacked up basically after you shave to show that person you need a shaving profile. They will need to see proof and not just take your word for it.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Jul 14 at 2021 6:45 PM

CW3 Harvey K. — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:45:06 -0400

I have a sneaky hunch that someday a "regulation beard" will be a military requirement, perhaps varying by rank.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jul 14 at 2021 8:23 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 20:23:50 -0400

Back when I was in (the stone age according to my students) you had to go to the dispensary and they could issue you a no shaving chit. I had one because my face was breaking out due to the sweat of the skullery. The mess Sergeant didn't like it and gave me hell for it. It still had to be trimmed to less than a quarter of an inch.

If it were a chronic condition the Marines process you for a discharge for psedoflictolitis barbae. (I know I misspelled that) I saw many African Americans get discharged for it because they couldn't conform to grooming standards. For some reason when they shaved the hairs would start growing under the skin instead of pushing through and create bumps which made shaving impossible without blood shed.

Response by SGM Miguel Espinoza made Jul 15 at 2021 9:23 AM

SGM Miguel Espinoza — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:23:49 -0400

If there is something actually wrong with you then see your PA. If you want to be part of the cool guys then go try out for one of the elite forces.

Response by SPC July Macias made Jul 15 at 2021 7:28 PM

SPC July Macias — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:28:33 -0400

Maybe they wouldn’t have to spend so much money on recruiting and enlistment bonuses if they allowed beards.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Jul 17 at 2021 4:28 PM

SSG Sidney Galloway — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:28:23 -0400

Besides the religious and medical reasons aforementioned, one could play Santa for the FRG Christmas Party. You wouldn't need to bother with growing it. One would be issued with the suit.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2021 3:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 15:25:16 -0400

Be SF

Response by PO2 Austin Dullum made Jul 26 at 2021 4:11 PM

PO2 Austin Dullum — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:11:23 -0400

IDC or medical officer

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2021 5:49 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 17:49:17 -0400

So for the USN and USMC, you have to go to medical. Under the new PFB instruction a no shave chit can only last 60 days and must be treated by medical. If it doesnt resolve with those treatments, it gets elevated and you go see a dermatologist. If they cant solve the issue they can determine if your a candidate for laser hair removal. Only the specialists can make the final recommendation for permanent shave chit recommendations now.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 1:16 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 01:16:14 -0400

The Navy Instruction is below but it would be based off a conversation with you medical department representative. "When tightly curved hairs are observed to re-enter the skin and create
irritated papules, the diagnosis of Pseudofolliculitis Barbae (PFB) can be made" . Additionally, there have to be a certain number of papules at a certain time. The instruction is an easy read ands something you will want to be well versed in if you end up with a No shave chit (there will be lots of looks, questions, and challenges).

https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Reference/Instructions/BUPERS/BUPERSINST_1000_22.pdf?ver=bzfuEdDVCLf4njEw2Gg-3g%3D%3D

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2021 11:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 23:08:44 -0400

For Army:
You will need to be evaluated by a medical provider first and treated for the underlying condition. Often times you may be issued a temporary profile for a duration of time, depending on what the issue is - but this still requires a medical assessment by a medical provider. That provide can then go into MEDPROS and issue a temporary profile if deemed appropriate. You will need to follow the instructions of the temporary profile and have a copy of it yourself, otherwise it will be considered disobeying orders of a commissioned officer.
As for a permanent profile for medical reasons, it most often times requires a clearly documented medical history of the issue. If you go to a healthcare provider for a skin issue looking for a permanent profile without a consistent, documented history, your packet will be denied. The process for a permanent profile is that you fill out the permanent profile packet, which will require processing through your medical readiness section and healthcare provider. It will get sent up the chain of command all the way to big Army, as it is asking for an exception to policy on AR670-1. Its not that hard to fill out, but they take a very long time to be approved or denied.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2021 10:01 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Sep 2021 22:01:30 -0400

Medical, but most providers will give you creams and stuff in order to help. They'll say try it for a month the follow up with them to discuss the possibility of a shaving profile

Response by PO2 Daniel Clisham made Dec 30 at 2021 10:43 AM

PO2 Daniel Clisham — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:43:34 -0500

Have a diagnosis by a provider that indicates faliculitis or severe irritation from shaving.