How do you set up a 4187 for a Foreign Award?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:52:25 -0500

With HRC's recent correction to allow the acceptance and wear of foreign awards on 15DEC2022 to include the Luxembourg International March of Diekirch Medal how would you set up the 4187 to submit to the first 07 in your chain?

I did ask S1 and their current staff don't have any templates for foreign awards and said they would research it, but I know that I'm going to get the back burner. They're busy with other stuff, IPPS-A and all.

I'd like to be able to forward them several completed 4187's with supporting docs ready to go just to make things easy.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2022 3:31 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:31:57 -0500

When I was in my military police officer basic course, the award for German military efficiency badge had a German certificate. That along with the regular memorandum allowed us to send it to the S1 to iperms.

Did this Luxembourg award come with a certificate?

I may still have that memorandum somewhere. I earned the bronze in 19 97 and the gold in 2005.

Wouldn't that be the easiest solution?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_Badge_for_Military_Proficiency

German Armed Forces Badge for Military Proficiency - Wikipedia

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2022 3:33 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 15:33:35 -0500

We had a German liaison officer at our military police base and we had people certified in my task force in 2004 that were able to issue the certificate.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2022 4:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:49:21 -0500

My French National Defense Medal was added with a Memorandum signed by a GO. No 4187 involved (that I can remember) though it may be required to staff the memo for approval through your G1

Response by COL Randall C. made Dec 20 at 2022 6:46 PM

COL Randall C. — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:46:06 -0500

I am going to ask the obvious question ... did you consult HRC's webpage on how Foreign Awards are processed?

https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Foreign%20Award%20Info

1. The Requestor submits a request for to accept and wear the foreign badge or decoration using a DA Form 4187. Provide a copy of the certificate and/or citation for the badge and decoration in the original language and an English translation. Submit the request through the chain of command to the servicing HR office.

2. The HR office verifies that the requested badge or decoration is listed in AR 600-8-22, Appendix D or Appendix E.

3. The HR office validates that the badge or decoration was earned in accordance with guidance in AR 600-8-22, paragraph 9-26 (i.e. awarded in recognition of meeting the criteria prescribed by the host nation military).

4. The HR office prepares the memorandum authorizing acceptance, retention, and/or wear and submits to the approval authority (commanders or DCGs in the grade BG/O7 or higher) along with supporting documentation. (see note 1)

5. The approval authority approves the acceptance, retention, and/or wear of foreign badge or decoration.

6. The HR office returns approved memorandum to requestor and submits approved memorandum to iPERMS along with the certificate (original and English translation) for posting to the Soldier's Army Human Resource Record (AMHRR) (only if approved for "acceptance, retention and wear"). No filing requirement of "token acceptance" only. (see notes 2 and 3)

Notes:
1. Organizations which do not have commanders or DCGs in the rank/grade of BG/O7 in their chain of command may submit their requests to U.S. Army Human Resources Command (USAHRC), Awards and Decorations Branch (ADB), for processing.

2. Foreign badges and decorations approved for honorary or token acceptance only (not for wear on the U.S. Army uniform) are NOT posted to the recipient's AMHRR)

3. Foreign badges and decorations included in Appendices D and E will not be updated in Electronic Military Personnel Officer (eMILPO) (for posting to the Enlisted Records Brief or Officer Record Brief, or DD Form 214); only those foreign badges and decorations published in AR 600-8-22, Chapter 9, Sections III and IV, may be updated in eMILPO.

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2022 12:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 00:33:00 -0500

People over think 4187s, there is no "right" or "correct" Army standard format for any 4187. Any template you see is just from some random person who decided it.

All you need to do is put what you are requesting and any relevant information to your request in the body. The top is From the requestor, Thru the last commander who signs it and To the Approval Authority of the request.

There is no standard for 4187s, the regulation that covers them doesn't even describe how to fill out which blocks. There's not even an agreed upon standard on how the From/To portion across the Army.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 21 at 2022 5:59 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 17:59:40 -0500

Just submit a 4187 with the readable orders, translated if necessary to HRC via your S1- just like getting foreign jump awards.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2022 1:16 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:16:50 -0500

E-mail me if you'd like an example copy. I just had mine processed and approved. [login to see]