How do you think disrespect and trouble makers should be dealt with?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:12:24 -0400

I'm sick and tired of the immaturity and flame wars trouble makers are responsible for. It upsets the entire population of RP. Personally, I don't think they should be warned but once. But, if the comments are totally insulting, rude, and hurtful, they should get the boot. What are your thoughts?

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made May 6 at 2015 7:15 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:15:33 -0400

Swiftly...

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made May 6 at 2015 7:19 PM

GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:19:50 -0400

Works for me ...

Response by MSgt Brian Welch made May 6 at 2015 7:20 PM

MSgt Brian Welch — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:20:33 -0400

I like conversation, friendly, direct conversation. Those that constantly get out of line just to get their rocks off should have their account lockout for a period of time. After, 3 timeouts, ban them.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made May 6 at 2015 7:21 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:21:31 -0400

The staff does a pretty good job of picking up on these individuals and RP members also do a good job of policing their own and reporting misusers..

Response by SFC Charles S. made May 6 at 2015 7:28 PM

SFC Charles S. — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:28:16 -0400

Drop the BANHammer...

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 7:29 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:29:52 -0400

First make sure the problem is the troublemaker, seek 3rd party advice is there is any doubt.

Then, I basically ignore the person until I find they have matured to a reasonable level.

Most of the comments of the troublemaker are irrelevant anyway and engaging them only gives them the attention they desire.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 7:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 19:43:46 -0400

I don't get why there is the need for people who feel the need to start trouble and be disrespectful.. Isn't part of our military code respect? And what happen to being an adult and professional?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 8:28 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 20:28:37 -0400

Hah! Great question...lure in less disciplined shmucks, while tying the hands of those who would enforce decipline. What can I say? I'm a quitter, and decided I wasn't fit to be in the new generation's nco channel, but still wanted to be in the military.

Response by SPC Carl K. made May 6 at 2015 8:44 PM

SPC Carl K. — Wed, 06 May 2015 20:44:04 -0400

One-on-one wall-to-wall counselings, as per FM 22-102. Heh Heh Heh.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 6 at 2015 9:28 PM

PO1 John Miller — Wed, 06 May 2015 21:28:57 -0400

I've seen it here too. Surprisingly more from officers than enlisted, and active duty rather than veteran/retirees.

Us retirees/vets tend to be blunt and outspoken, but not disrespectful.

I also feel that some people get their rocks off by down voting others for the simple sake of being a troll.

With that said, I haven't seen action taken against members, but maybe that's just because I haven't been on RP that long?

I do believe in the warning system, much like in the military. Three "counseling chits" for the same reason should result in a "report chit" and the member kicked off RP for a certain length of time (say 24 hours to 2 weeks). Depending on the severity of their disrespect, possibly lifetime banishment.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made May 6 at 2015 9:49 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Wed, 06 May 2015 21:49:25 -0400

The conversations can get heated at times. We all have the option of walking away from the discourse. Some want to engage, re-engage etc. Banning people sounds appealing but once you start, where do you stop. Everyone on here is either in the military or was in the military. I would hope we all had more mental toughness than allowing words to take us down. Put your keyboard on safe, walk away fom the conversation.

Response by SGT John Wesley made May 6 at 2015 10:15 PM

SGT John Wesley — Wed, 06 May 2015 22:15:12 -0400

I think a 3 strike rule should be in effect. We all get on our high horse sometimes, but I never want to disrespect anyone on this board.

If someone is being disrespectful, don't feed into it, as two wrongs don't make a right! Report it and leave it!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2015 10:16 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 May 2015 22:16:03 -0400

Unfortunately, we have those in the world and the Army who think very...very..very highly of themselves. If you disagree with them, then you are an idiot, don't know what you're talking about, will be down voted .........for your opinion....REALLY, WTH!

If they were booted from RP, so much the better in the short run and good riddence. However, I also get some enjoyment out of the old Cavalry term, "Let's find the Bastard ...and Pile on! I say this in the hope (misguided I"m sure, but still hopefull) that Twiddle-dumb may one day realize that him/her against the world and that if everyone else is against him, then maybe they should look at themselves in the mirror, re-evaluate, re-goup and make some changes. This works for some, but not enough.

I just saw today where some Twiddle Dumb downvoted someone for their opinion. Nothing was directed at the individual, just giving a different perspective! Now I'm all for a spirited debate and do enjoy reading, as well as responding with a certain amount of sarcaism, especially if it comes out with some humor. But the total disrespect, name calling and insulting remarks... Kick their ass off the bus and then back over them ...twice.

Response by SGT Michael Touchet made May 6 at 2015 10:20 PM

SGT Michael Touchet — Wed, 06 May 2015 22:20:20 -0400

I have to say I have had a difference of opinion or two but not experienced disrespectful responses over it, nor have I been disrespectful over it. After 2 comments of disagreement, that's where I end it and agree to disagree and bid them peace, otherwise it would no longer be a productive exchange. I always remember its not my place to force others to believe as I do, I respect that others have different opinions.

Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made May 6 at 2015 10:59 PM

PO2 Kevin LaCroix — Wed, 06 May 2015 22:59:47 -0400

I try to ignore the trouble makers, sometimes it is fun to bait them, but mostly I ignore them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 9:49 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 May 2015 09:49:15 -0400

I used to be active here, but honestly I started to shy away from RP after I retired. Simply because it has become a lot like facebook and other social media platforms. Some have stated that there is rank issues and age issues, I have seen it in some discussions.

Also and lets be honest here there are some statements made here in reference to a plethora of issues that some of you would not dare make in public, particularly when it comes to gender roles, sexual orientation and social issues. As we have seen in the past some folks have gotten in serious trouble over posts in social media.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2015 9:52 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 May 2015 09:52:32 -0400

Respect - pretty sure that is a core value of military service.
I love difference of opinion. If you can make your point articulately without resorting to name calling and troll-ish tactics, I will listen. You even have a fighting chance of convincing me.
Turn it into an emotional gong show, and I am going to make it my purpose to systematically dismantle your arguments. You will look silly at the end of the day. It is my moral equivalent to slapping hippies, except I don't have to worry about getting in trouble with the law.
Bring on the trolls!
Because in a war of words, they often come unarmed.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2015 3:19 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 May 2015 15:19:23 -0400

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2015 3:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 May 2015 15:23:00 -0400

Response by SPC Angel Guma made May 9 at 2015 3:24 PM

SPC Angel Guma — Sat, 09 May 2015 15:24:10 -0400

If trouble makers could police themselves as well as they like to snap at other trouble makers, the world would be a better place.

Response by SGT Anthony Bussing made May 9 at 2015 10:31 PM

SGT Anthony Bussing — Sat, 09 May 2015 22:31:19 -0400

this is why there needs to be an "IGNORE" button

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made May 10 at 2015 3:01 PM

1SG Cameron M. Wesson — Sun, 10 May 2015 15:01:16 -0400

Ok... I'm a sick man!

I enjoy the "troublemakers" and when I see their posts... I grab popcorn.... And just sit back and read. The diatribe that a few spout is just pathetically humerous.

I see no trend specifically... Written communication does not convey humor, sarcasm, questions, thoughts, etc... As well as we wished it did... The only way to get better is keep it level and concise.

Back to my comment, I say pathetically humorous because some these folks are in their mid 30s and older... And they still don't get how to communicate with Respect and consideration to others... that they themselves demand... and then claim they are innocent of wrong doing and simply misunderstood. I feel this is a ruse.

Some even use the terms " blunt" and "saying like it is" as a "carte blanche" that whatever they say/post is ok because this is their position. It isn't and I would submit they honestly know this.

Like I did in the Army and as a DA Civilian... I ignore these folks as often as I can because they simply don't matter most of the time... Until they start interfering with my team... Then I get involved and start offensive action.

I guess what I'm saying is that is folks will learn not to take the bait... and down vote.... Maybe those members that are less than decent contributors to discussions will get the message... Or go away. I would suit that this method is slow... And not guaranteed... But does show maturity and consideration to all.

Well... That's my 2 cents! Whatever we decide will be cool with me. Peace, Out!

Response by SSG Todd Lysfjord made May 10 at 2015 3:44 PM

SSG Todd Lysfjord — Sun, 10 May 2015 15:44:32 -0400

I agree...there are a few on here who always seem to be in the middle of every controversy and use little to no tact with their responses.

Response by SSG John Erny made May 10 at 2015 3:44 PM

SSG John Erny — Sun, 10 May 2015 15:44:50 -0400

Bring back the CCF correctional traing units! Think basic training with less training and more smoke!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 10 at 2015 3:48 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 10 May 2015 15:48:06 -0400

If it is blatant disrespect and continuous trouble making, then I will have his NCO start counseling him and create a paper trail, so I have more options available. I don't want cancer to infest my company.

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made May 10 at 2015 4:11 PM

GySgt Joe Strong — Sun, 10 May 2015 16:11:00 -0400

There is over the top rudeness and on occasion simple trolling where the troll will stop at nothing to continue to draw comments. And unfortunately in much of online society, and especially in the Military community there's an unwillingness to "just walk away" as it leaves the field to the one being a jerk and feels dishonorable to the one who yields the field because of it.

I'm okay with some kind of civility and call for people to discuss just about anything as long as they are having the conversation in good faith.

The problem with any enforcement of any speech code is eventually it's going to narrow down into censorship of de facto "approved" speech. I'm leery of any introduction of censorship because of this.

OTOH, we have a growing # of unverified and/or very limited info folks in here who appear to be applying the dirtier tactics of other Social Media sites especially to certain topics.

It would be great if folks would Police themselves and we could bypass imposed speech rules on this Professional site.
But as long as the unverified are allowed commenting privileges or, some come on board who simply come to cause trouble and not have good faith discussions. I guess the moderators will wind up starting the narrowing of speech.
I'd very much like to give the greatest amount of sarcastic connotation I can confer as I say, " Thank you" to those who come here simply to stir the pot and.

Response by PV2 Abbott Shaull made May 10 at 2015 5:16 PM

PV2 Abbott Shaull — Sun, 10 May 2015 17:16:30 -0400

I think we need a certain amount of free thinkers in every fabric of our society. They are the ones who reel us in we thread too far to other side.

Response by SFC William Farrell made May 10 at 2015 5:23 PM

SFC William Farrell — Sun, 10 May 2015 17:23:37 -0400

I've always supported capital punishment Keith!

Response by SPC Jeffrey Bly made May 10 at 2015 5:25 PM

SPC Jeffrey Bly — Sun, 10 May 2015 17:25:57 -0400

Here is the deal:

I have a friend who has a Facebook page where you can say " Whatever" you want without persecution. If you are found to be negative to what's being posted, you have no recourse and are booted.

Maybe a section here that will allow something to that effect?

Response by PFC Alex Rivers made May 10 at 2015 8:27 PM

PFC Alex Rivers — Sun, 10 May 2015 20:27:54 -0400

For a community of mutual respect for everyone, one someone soils that respect it brings down the community as a whole.
Visibility is key, if the first post I see when I login to RP is something generally regarded as disrespectful or purposeful bad taste, it is going to affect my view of the site. The same may go for new members.