How do you think "Radical Muslims" are seen by those Muslims who are not??

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:30:05 -0400

Brigette Gabriel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

Love her!
She should take the job as Sec. of State and remove John Kerry.

I often wonder if the "non-radicalized" Muslims look at those that are kinda like we Christians look at people like Westboro Baptist Church.

They say that 15-20% of the Muslims have been "radicalized" but half don't want to be martyrs and or kill people. They just believe like those who have been. That's about 3 million Muslims who want to harm or could harm America and Other Countries, if they wanted to.

But if most Muslims do not believe this way, WHY is it that they won't speak out or condemn certain acts? I am talking mainly about those that are here in America. IF they have, PLEASE show me when and where, because I would love to see it.

And I ask this because of what just happened to a person working for an American company over in France...

***I am sorry, I don't know how to get the day of terror media report off. It's been deleted. I saw that someone else had brought it up. I am a good admin.***

Day of terror: Islamist attacks around world follow ISIS' Ramadan message

One person was decapitated and several others were injured in an apparent terror attack at a chemical company in eastern France Friday morning, local media reported.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Jun 26 at 2015 10:37 AM

SSG Ed Mikus — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:37:47 -0400

The Muslims I knew in Turkey, that i spoke to about such, did in-fact view the radical Muslims in a way very much like the westboro folks are viewed.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jun 26 at 2015 10:53 AM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 10:53:45 -0400

One of the issues we have been facing is that the traditional Muslims don't really speak out against the radicals. To neither condone nor condemn them says a lot to everyone else. Do they not condemn them out of fear? It would be better for them and everyone if they would show us that they are against what they do.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Jun 26 at 2015 11:41 AM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:41:23 -0400

My opinion ... If they do not speak out and denounce the actions of radical Muslims, it is the same as supporting them.

While I truly believe that most Muslims do not support the actions of the radicals, they do not speak out because of fear of being called an infidel for going against the Koran. No excuse .. you either support them or you do not. Speak out and show whose side you are on.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jun 26 at 2015 11:49 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:49:40 -0400

To be honest I have no idea how they Muslim "extremists" are viewed by everyday, moderate Muslims because, aside from the onesies or twosies you may see/hear from on news shows, there is no word put forth in any great volume from the Muslim communities. I think this may be part of the reason that sideways glances are too often thrown in their direction by the average American or western citizen.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jun 26 at 2015 12:00 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:00:17 -0400

I suspect the problem is the media you consume. Muslim organizations around the world condemn this stuff. I lived abroad myself and have family in the Middle East. That has been completely eye opening. The agenda driven bubble most Americans live in is a travesty.

Muslims protest, denounce and even fight against this stuff. You will NOT hear about it in American news unless something happens to force them to cover it.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Jun 26 at 2015 12:02 PM

MAJ Jim Steven — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:02:22 -0400

I likened this to that confederate/rebel or whatever "historians" are calling that flag this morning...when it was getting bad press from the KKK, no one said anything...

Right now, Islam is getting a lot of free press from the radicals - there is no counter message.
the non-crazy muslims are letting the crazy muslims ruin their message by letting them do all of the talking.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 26 at 2015 12:06 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 12:06:09 -0400

I am a proud Christian and unlike those poor lost souls in Westboro, I try to be non-judgemental and believe that love will conquer hate. I would go insane if someone compared me to someone known as being so blatently hypocritical. I would image it would be the same for them. All they want is the freedom to practice their faith and everytime one of the extremists lashes out, they get looked at as the enemy. Even the most passive muslim has a breaking point and if they continue being harassed for peacefully practicing their religion, it is us who is to blame for creating another extremist. I try to look at what is in your heart, not what you wear on your head. I'm the first to admit that when I hear arabic I am back in the zone. But that isn't out of hate (necessarily). But anyone, regardless of religion, who kills to further their cause or justify their beliefs is the enemy of mankind, not just a certain religion.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 26 at 2015 4:54 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:54:05 -0400

I believe many Muslims are appalled by the radicals. However, they can't fight the hate propelled activities of the radicals. One more thing, France has the highest percentage of Muslims in that part of the world. Literally, Muslims are overtaking towns and a city. Invasion by immigration.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 7:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:48:38 -0400

"Like a millstone around my neck", I'd wager. People always have to explain "I'm not like *those* guys; not all of us are _______" --whatever. Every group has craphounds they have to deal with.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2015 10:18 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:18:22 -0400

Absolutely, they are appalled by the techniques and devices used by the radical groups. Did you know that the extremist believe that Muslims who are not extremists are not going to be saved? This is how they justify killing other Muslims, it's ok to do so because they (other Muslims) are not among the saved. Want to know more check out Wahhabi Islam.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2015 11:53 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:53:59 -0400

I think just like white people who view white racist who are not racist themselves; those who do not agree with gay/lesbian marriage but have gay/lesbian friends and do not stand in the way of legal battles but are then called homophobic and horrible people as they do not agree with others; or other groups who are for some reason or another lumped together and sometimes confused and judged by others because they have something in common with those who are doing something that someone does not agree with, is bad, or whatever the case may be. Most can see that there is an issue with bad things and do not agree with the bad acts, some may even be more upset as they are misrepresenting their group.

Response by SSG Izzy Abbass made Jun 29 at 2015 3:40 PM

SSG Izzy Abbass — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:40:52 -0400

Probably the same way we view the Spanish Inquisition and the Puritans who burned the girls in Salem.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Jul 2 at 2015 10:50 AM

Maj Mike Sciales — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:50:40 -0400

Every Muslim I've ever met disavows Daesh/ISIS. Like one said "if that is Islam I'm not a Muslim.". Every Mufti, every Leader in the region has denounced them. All of the Gulf countries are actively engaged in hunting them down. These
Murderers burned a Jordanian pilot alive and it galvanized Jordan and their Hessimite King, Abdullah - a direct descendent of the Prophet. The authorities are rounding up suspected members and educating the public. Make no mistake, ISIS usa far greater threat to Islam than to us, so governments are fighting them hard. They are committed.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 2 at 2015 8:06 PM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 20:06:13 -0400

Every Muslim I've ever spoken with condemn radical Muslims. Most of them don't even consider the radicals "true" Muslims!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2015 12:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:26:58 -0400

I don't know, what do "moderate mainstream Christians" think of the white supremacist Christians who commit crimes in the name of their beliefs? That's probably a good starting point.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 24 at 2015 1:56 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:56:52 -0400

Much the same way the Westboro Baptist Church is viewed by other Baptists I imagine...

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jul 24 at 2015 3:42 PM

SPC Tony Bucaro — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:42:58 -0400

This may sound bad but to be honest, at this point in time I don't trust any Muslims. I know some people are not going to like this but I would rather be honest then to lie.

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Feb 26 at 2016 8:16 AM

SSG Michael Scott — Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:16:29 -0500

you said it right!!

Response by Maj John Bell made Feb 29 at 2016 9:50 AM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:50:34 -0500

Not a Muslim -- But I believe that Islam is not as monolithic as some may believe. The difference between Shiite and Sunni is analogous to the difference between Catholic and Protestant. I believe there are also significant schisms within Shiite Islam and within Sunni Islam. I suspect that some Muslims accept each other despite doctrinal differences and some believe the others are damned for all time. The same spectrum that Christians have.

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 8 at 2016 11:42 PM

Maj John Bell — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:42:57 -0500

I think they cock their head to one side and say "that *^^#(&) is bat____ crazy!!!". Same as we look at American extremists that are bat____ crazy.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Mar 8 at 2016 11:47 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 23:47:42 -0500

I normally avoid these discussions in professional settings, but honestly in my opinion, there aren't enough non extremist Muslims condemning extremist Muslims. I believe that silence is agreeing. If I ignore something that is wrong, I am part of the problem; not the solution.