How is it moral to have a new NCO to the unit pull extra duty watch on a Soldier who received UCMJ before that NCOs arrival?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:28:20 -0400

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Aug 29 at 2019 2:34 AM

CW4 Craig Urban — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 02:34:40 -0400

Not good, UCMJ is like a misdemeanor.

Response by SGT Chris Stephens made Aug 29 at 2019 7:23 AM

SGT Chris Stephens — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 07:23:54 -0400

What if that NCO is on staff duty? Technically aren't they on watch? To me, it's no big deal if that's the case. I'd also think about what the current mission of the unit is. If the unit is in the middle of a mission, then maybe they can't lose an NCO to extra duty watch and so that's the easiest thing to do. There can be so many reasons. To put a blanket statement to say if it's moral or not would be wrong. It all depends on the circumstances.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Aug 29 at 2019 8:23 AM

SFC Michael D. — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:23:03 -0400

I don't understand. New NCO watches Soldier who received UCMJ before NCO's arrival. How do you get assigned when you aren't even there yet? Are you the new NCO assigned to watch another NCO? Or are you the NCO being watched? If you're the new arrival, how did you get on the DA6 so fast that you're watching a UCMJ receipent? Why is he being watched? Is he on extra duty or suicide watch? Did they have everyone else doing something? Are you his newly assigned Platoon Sergeant or squad leader? Did you ask questions? You're really not giving us much to go on.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Aug 29 at 2019 8:35 AM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:35:22 -0400

A newly joined individual is not normally deeply involved in operations of the unit. Makes sense to use him/her for a watch that would normally remove individuals from their normal duties that contribute to the readiness of the unit then allow the NCO to assume his normal duties when the watch requirements are fulfilled. The reasons and objectives of the extra duties should be briefed and the new NCO can demonstrate his competence as a leader and example while working with the individual performing the extra duty.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 29 at 2019 8:49 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:49:00 -0400

Makes sense to me... a new NCO is not integral to the day to day operations of the unit, so their absence can be afforded without disrupting day to day OPTEMPO.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 8:52 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:52:24 -0400

Extra duty watch is a typical NCO duty, whether you are new to a unit or not, right? Or have things changed that much in the 11 years since I’ve been an NCO?

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Aug 29 at 2019 10:10 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:10:18 -0400

Because that person is an NCO. Taking cate of, supervising, and mentoring Soldiers is what NCOs do. It doesn't matyer the Soldier's history OR the NCOs.

TL;DR version: NCOs do your damn job.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Aug 29 at 2019 11:51 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:51:56 -0400

Because their an NCO and NCOs supervise Soldiers.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Aug 29 at 2019 11:59 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:59:03 -0400

It may be an unusual circumstance, but I certain wouldn't view it as immoral.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Aug 29 at 2019 12:43 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:43:21 -0400

Moral? Is it banned by the Bible? According to regulations and oath aren't all NCO's responsible for ensuring training, discipline, etc . of their troops?. Are you suggesting perhaps that the old NCO should be brought back from God's know elsewhere to supervise this SM. Not trying to bust your chops Luis, but your question is boggling.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Aug 29 at 2019 12:43 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:43:30 -0400

So let me get this straight
You’re asking if it’s moral to assign a noncommissioned officer a supervisory task.
I’ll give you the short professional answer.
Yes

The NCO corps weeps a little in that the question was even asked.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 1:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 13:45:24 -0400

So the Soldier that has extra duty is also being processed for a chapter. The NCO watch is coming from the Soldiers platoon. And the SMs original supervisor is still in the platoon just PCSing soon. The platoon is rotating watch between NCOs both old and new. My question is, why are the new NCO even in the mix if the soldier. There is no NCO on extra duty. I see this as unfair to NCO who did not commit the crime or even existed when the punishment was implemented. I want to fight this because I’m the PSG having to assigned these duties. Call me a newbie but I strongly believe if you didn’t commit the crime then why do the time. Soldiers can make there own decisions no matter how much development you do to him/her. And this one Soldier made the wrong one. But somehow NCOs who did in fact do their jobs still serve the punishment.

Response by SGT David Petree made Aug 29 at 2019 2:57 PM

SGT David Petree — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:57:23 -0400

bin there dune that. it`s there job to insure that every body is on the same page, [ knows there job ] no mater what.

Response by SFC Steven Barry made Aug 29 at 2019 10:30 PM

SFC Steven Barry — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 22:30:36 -0400

Your sins follow you.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Aug 30 at 2019 8:46 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 20:46:41 -0400

Why would it be immoral to have a NCO do the duty assignment he is given?
Which in this case is to supervise a soldier on Extra Duty.
There's something you're not telling us - correct?
Come on now. You can tell us -
Did the NCO say something at an inappropriate time or place?
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Response by SGM Patrick Kirby made Aug 30 at 2019 9:15 PM

SGM Patrick Kirby — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:15:09 -0400

How is it not? Your an NCO, you are part of the unit, da goes with the territory! Buck up!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2019 10:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:29:27 -0400

Ok I see I’ve struck a nerve in some individuals. Maybe the use of the word moral was t used properly. The real question is, in other units extra duty is watched by either the SDNCO or if there is an NCO serving on extra duty. Why is it that some units make the Soldiers immediate NCO support channel supervise him/ her on extra when there’s no NCO serving extra but staff duty is present? Does that clear things up a bit? I’m not saying that the Soldier should not have NCO supervision during his/ her punishment. And I can see the developmental benefit to the NCO on watch. Please don’t misunderstand. I know we all have a job to do. Why isn’t there one standard across the Army as a whole?

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Aug 31 at 2019 12:26 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:26:21 -0400

How is it moral? I'm sorry but that question makes no sense. It is the burden of leadership that requires NCOs to make sacrifices, including their time.
I hope that maybe you had a few too may before asking that in a public forum full of crusty old salts like me.