How is seniority between NCOs of the same rank determined?

2018-09-15T20:41:22-04:00

Having a debate with one of my peers. If both NCOs are of the same rank, who is senior, the one with more TIS or TIG?

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Sep 15 at 2018 9:07 PM

2018-09-15T21:07:57-04:00

For officers it’s date of rank. Should work the same for NCOs.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Sep 15 at 2018 9:14 PM

2018-09-15T21:14:39-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member Rally Point generally considers it’s members to have a little more knowledge than you have expressed!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2018 9:19 PM

2018-09-15T21:19:09-04:00

For the record, I had told him it came down to TIG, but he said different. Was mainly looking for others to prove my point

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2018 9:29 PM

2018-09-15T21:29:48-04:00

It's date of rank. When both dates of rank are the same, then total active federal service (BASD).
It's in AR 600-20 Army Command Policy

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2018 10:00 PM

2018-09-15T22:00:50-04:00

TIG takes precedence over TIS. If those are the same then it goes to TIS. And as a kicker, of both of those are the same then DOB is the determining factor. Reference AR 600-20 The Army Command Policy.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Sep 16 at 2018 6:15 AM

2018-09-16T06:15:33-04:00

The one with time in grade.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 16 at 2018 8:41 AM

2018-09-16T08:41:40-04:00

TIG, TIS in that order, when they are the same it should be identified by the PLT Sgt. Or command leadership. Bottom line is that they should each have their own duties and responsibilities. When the PLT Leader and Sgt require one or the other to take charge they should go by the policy. Thank you for your service. I hope you amwere the one that was correct.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Sep 16 at 2018 10:13 AM

2018-09-16T10:13:41-04:00

When I was on active duty it was always the NCO with the most time in grade who was in charge. Time in service doesn't mean much if you are still a Private which is probably why the program of requiring promotion to a certain grade within a certain time was started. It was implemented to phase out the "Professional Privates", people who did not like responsibility but needed the security of Military life..

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Sep 16 at 2018 11:07 AM

2018-09-16T11:07:46-04:00

TIG. If you went by TIS you might have an individual who had been determined to have poor judgement or irresponsible by courts martial in charge.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2018 11:14 AM

2018-09-16T11:14:53-04:00

It’s determined by DOR. Regardless of years in service, your days of rank determines who is senior. That’s why a SFC with 12 years in can rate a SSG with 14. Date of rank is it, then if you have identical DOR, you would have to go by TIS and if those are the same, it’s who is the oldest. It’s in AR 623-3...

Response by SSgt John Carter made Sep 16 at 2018 12:06 PM

2018-09-16T12:06:13-04:00

TIG then TIS

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2018 1:39 PM

2018-09-16T13:39:07-04:00

It is TIG or position. If I had two E5's and one was team leader or squad leader then TIG didn't hold as much weight. That being said just treat each other with respect and you will stay out of trouble.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2018 12:04 PM

2018-11-13T12:04:16-05:00

I'm currently an E-6 in the National Guard, with all my schools completed. SSD and SLC and second on the promotion list to E-7. Right now I have a E-6 rating me, that out ranks me by time and grade. I have no problem with this. The problem I have is this, the E-6 is non-promotable, flagged for ABCP, and PT. In National Guard Aviation, E-6's in the same shop and two other shops are competing for that E-7 slot. How is this even allowed to have a E-6 rate another E-6 going for the same position. How is this not a conflict of interest. This guy could rate me badly just because he doesn't want me to slide into that E-7 slot. I'm not saying this guy will rate me badly but sometimes in the guard your waiting for someone to die for this slot and this person could make or break you for your career progression. Anyone else understand what I'm talking about. Please Leave your comments.

Thanks

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Nov 29 at 2018 4:08 PM

2018-11-29T16:08:57-05:00

Starting at the top, working downwards:
RANK
TIG
TIS
DOB

Response by SSG John Dunshee made Jan 14 at 2019 1:54 PM

2019-01-14T13:54:21-05:00

TIG; by the time I retired I think I was the ranking SSG in the Army. I was certainly one of the few that had been a Spec 6.